First benchmark

[SUBMAN1]

Figured I'd see what 3DMark 2006 says about this box and 16526 is a pretty decent score. It's not the best I have seen, but it is definitely up there:

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1989/3dmark2006score.gif


Specs on that is AMD Phenom II X4 955 CPU, DDR3 1333 RAM (7-7-7-20), ATI 4870 1GB.

-S

[Arclight]

Noone likes a showoff. :O:

For comparison: :D

12687;

SM2.0 6045
SM3.0 5876
CPU 2755

8800GTS 512
E6750 3.2GHz / 1600FSB
4GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12

Just wait till I get my new CPU. :shifty: ;)

[Task Force]

Hmm... wheres can I get this program.

[Arclight]

http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/3dmark06/download/

Free, unless you want to change options. Not worth buying IMHO, unless you have a compulsive need to have the highest score and think everyone should know about it. IMHO all you need to know is if the card does the job for you.

[Task Force]

I got a 10,293.:shifty:
Howd my 8800gts 640 thats overclocked, 3 gigs of ram, and E8400 get a 10,293.

[SUBMAN1]

Task Force - Anything in the 5 digit range will play anything out there no problem, and will still play anything out there for the near future. You should feel good that you are in the 5 digit range.

-S

PS. He is probably overclocking more than you. I should overclock and see what happens. My CPU was at stock speeds when I took the above scores.

[Task Force]

yea... lol, now what to upgrade next.:hmmm: maby the GPU...
http://www.techpowerup.com/95445/ASUS_Designes_Own_Monster_Dual-GTX_285_4_GB_Graphics_Card.html I wish I had this one. lol

[Arclight]

Task Force - Anything in the 5 digit range will play anything out there no problem, and will still play anything out there for the near future. You should feel good that you are in the 5 digit range.

-S

PS. He is probably overclocking more than you. I should overclock and see what happens. My CPU was at stock speeds when I took the above scores.

Aye, like I said, it's just a score mate. ;)

If you're happy with the card than that's all that matters.

I have a theory too: if you buy the program, they make money. If you don't buy the program you need to check your score online, ending up on a page with lots of "BUY IT" links. I have a suspicion they make money if you follow one of those links. In short: ignore the d**n scores as they're only there to make you feel bad and get you to spend more money.

* only CPU is OCd over here, card is at Gigabyte stock (700/1700/1000). The difference in the cards comes from the fact the GTS 512 has the same core that went into the 9xxx series (G92 instead of G80).

[Task Force]

yea... arclight, howd you get a higher score than me. lol.

[Arclight]

Spending too much money. :shifty:

[Task Force]

lol.:lol: well you know what... my computer runs crysis with my homemade uber config i made from a template nicely, im happy. lol

[Arclight]

Exactly, that's all that matters. :up:

[Task Force]

Strangely, for a 2 year old gpu thats been worked like crazy, and overheated, it runs great. lol:rotfl:

[CaptainHaplo]

I got a 4.... is that good?

[Arclight]

:rotfl:

It is if you think it is. :salute:

[Dowly]

3Dmark is a piece of poo poo. :yep:

[Fincuan]

If one wants a true challenge go get Arma2, bump up all the graphical options and see how well that runs when there's a few hundred AIs running around in the same city :haha:

[Arclight]

My card has trouble enough in cities with everything at normal, without AI. :shifty:

That game eats frames for breakfast. :arrgh!:

[SUBMAN1]

Can't get ArmA II yet over here. Or at least I haven't seen it for sale.

How are the bugs this go around?

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Op FlashPoint II. That will probably eat ArmA II for breakfast.

Let me remind you of what Op Flashpoint II looks like:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-operation-flashpoint/49853

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/open-world-operation-flashpoint/47418

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ego-technology-operation-flashpoint/45720

-S

[Arclight]

Let me remind you of what Op Flashpoint II looks like:You mean a console game?

:nope:

[Fincuan]

Yeah I've lost my hope in that one already. Looks more like direct competition to COD and the Battlefield-series than OFP, Arma or Arma2.

edit: Oh and there's no OFP2, it's Operation Flashpoint : Dragon Rising

[Arclight]

I was thinking more like MAG. OFP: DR seems to focus on massive scale rather than realism, making it a closer fit to MAG than ArmA.

I'm not saying it's a bad game though, just not what you'ld expect from an "OFP game".

[Arclight]

CPU finally arrived: 14317

SM2.0 : 5958
SM3.0 : 5900
CPU : 4800

Not bad for a P35 board with DDR2 running a 8800GTS 512. :arrgh!:

<Insert Maniacal Laughter Here>

[SUBMAN1]

CPU finally arrived: 14317

SM2.0 : 5958
SM3.0 : 5900
CPU : 4800

Not bad for a P35 board with DDR2 running a 8800GTS 512. :arrgh!:

<Insert Maniacal Laughter Here> I win. :O:

BTW - I have some computer buff / console gamers at work. I now have the full scoop on console games by people that have both. Console games, though the near graphics usually look good, though not as well as the PC, the distance graphics however are not. The graphics in the distance on any console game are dumbed down.

Ever notice why console gamers are not allowed to play online against PC gamers on the same games? It would be a huge advantage for the PC crowd so the two are purposely separated.

I can bet you BTW that Dragon Rising will be a better game / sim all around than ArmA II. It's along the same lines of ArmA. It had similar elements to Op Flashpoint, but it had no soul. You had no bond to your characters and could care less if they died. It was just the freedom I guess that made it soemwhat playable. ArmA II from what I've seen is more the same.

-S

[Arclight]

I bet you're wrong. :D

Arma II is centered (campaign at least) on Razor team, doesn't take long before you get to know the guys and bond with them. No more "3 is down", but "crap, Rodriguez got hit!".

You said it yourself; consoles are at a disadvantage (when it comes to games like this). You only have to look at the crosshairs and command interface in OFP: DR to come to the conclusion that it is intended for console, while Arma II still offers the extended interface (although also incorporating a streamlined system alongside).

Also, the free floating aim is gone there; gun always points at the center of the screen. More proof that the game belongs with "the others", not Arma. From what I see just looking at those trailers, it does not qualify as a sim, and as said before can't even be compared to Arma anymore.

I mean, crosshairs that change color when you aim at someone? FAIL :down:



If you have PC and want something realistic, get Arma. If you have console and want something playable, get OFP: DR. Arma II will come to 360, but I fear it will find no welcome there.

[Task Force]

Is it just me, or are the command menus in arma 2 in german even with the english fix.:hmmm:

[Arclight]

Everything should be in English afaik.

[Task Force]

aaahhhh fark, i did something rong.:rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

I bet you're wrong. :D

Arma II is centered (campaign at least) on Razor team, doesn't take long before you get to know the guys and bond with them. No more "3 is down", but "crap, Rodriguez got hit!".

You said it yourself; consoles are at a disadvantage (when it comes to games like this). You only have to look at the crosshairs and command interface in OFP: DR to come to the conclusion that it is intended for console, while Arma II still offers the extended interface (although also incorporating a streamlined system alongside).

Also, the free floating aim is gone there; gun always points at the center of the screen. More proof that the game belongs with "the others", not Arma. From what I see just looking at those trailers, it does not qualify as a sim, and as said before can't even be compared to Arma anymore.

I mean, crosshairs that change color when you aim at someone? FAIL :down:



If you have PC and want something realistic, get Arma. If you have console and want something playable, get OFP: DR. Arma II will come to 360, but I fear it will find no welcome there.

You didn't read my post. The PC versions are always more enhanced for the same game. The console versions just exist to make money. Go play Rainbow 6. Try to target a bad guy far away. Do the same thing on the PC version. Your questions will be answered.

Console versions will exist, but if you want the full world, you need the PC version.

And yes, I have ArmA, so I know a thing or two about it. Here is some vids I took to wet your appetite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WynXzPoGINw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6he3-hDAyPY


Video's above - full version and downloadable:

http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/xman11#watch%3Dv1030176zWgErbBC


This one shows off the entire island and then some:

http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/xman11#watch%3Dv14243954FpDNdqs8


And if you must ask, I rarely screw up when playing a game. That should be evident from the video's length of time and what was accomplished. All Veoh movies are downloadable in full resolution BTW.

-S

[Arclight]

Ehr, are we talking about the same thing? I never implied you don't know Arma or that you screw up. :doh:

Thought it was about Arma II vs DR?

[SUBMAN1]

...If you have PC and want something realistic, get Arma....

Does that explain my post? :D

-S

[Arclight]

Ah, ok, that was more a general statement than directed at you personally. :)

It's the conclusion I came to comparing Arma to DR, though in hindsight it's not really fair towards DR since the game hasn't been released yet. It also looks like the version shown in the trailer is a console version, maybe the PC version brings back stuff like the floating aim and crosshair behaviour is dependant on difficulty. :hmmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Ah, ok, that was more a general statement than directed at you personally. :)

It's the conclusion I came to comparing Arma to DR, though in hindsight it's not really fair towards DR since the game hasn't been released yet. It also looks like the version shown in the trailer is a console version, maybe the PC version brings back stuff like the floating aim and crosshair behaviour is dependant on difficulty. :hmmm:

The PC version will always be more complete.

-S

[Task Force]

They can also put more stuff in the pc version, theres more buttons...

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[SUBMAN1]

They can also put more stuff in the pc version, theres more buttons...

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:haha:

[Arclight]

The PC version will always be more complete.

-SAye, we can agree on that. :yep:

It's the reason I moved to PC gaming; bigger level desings, better graphics, better controls (mouse for looking around, keyboard+stick for flightsim), etc.

[mr chris]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa286/MrChris99/1STATTEMPT.jpg

[Arclight]

Please tell me you didn't pay 20 bucks just to get a score... :D

What's the 3DMark score for just the CPU? What chipset is it running on? :06:

[mr chris]

Did not pay bugger all it was my friends software.
The CPU Score was 14172
the CPU info is in the left hand box.

[SUBMAN1]

Did not pay bugger all it was my friends software.
The CPU Score was 14172
the CPU info is in the left hand box.

Since hardly anyone I know runs Vista yet, or Windows 7, the scores have little meaning to me. I assume they are decent however.

-S

[mr chris]

My friend says the CPU score is not that great but that is due to the fact i have a DDR2 system and not a DDR3 system.
He has a similar system but he has DDR3 ram and the extreme version of my processor and his CPU score is over double of mine.

[Task Force]

yea, well all i can say is the lights in cyprus must be very dim when mr chris is on his pc.:rotfl:

[Arclight]

Did not pay bugger all it was my friends software.
The CPU Score was 14172
the CPU info is in the left hand box.Good, it's not worth it.

Nah, that score is not comparable 'cause you enabled the feature tests. Look at the 3DMark score, it's 18519. If CPU is 14k and GPU 20k, you get 34k, not 18519. For the 3DMark score you just run GPU+CPU tests, though I don't know how scores from '06 compare to Vantage. :hmmm:

I'm curious 'cause I have the same CPU and DDR2 as well. :D
CPU came in at 4800 points when clocked to 3.4GHz. :smug:

[Task Force]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us.html

Hmm... wonder if I could try to get this for christmas.:rotfl:

[Arclight]

Might as well get a new PSU while you're at it. :timeout:

I'm considering the 275, but I guess I'll wait to see what's on offer by the end of the year. With a bit of luck, the old 8800GTS can still hack it.

[SUBMAN1]

Both of you should do yourself a favor and skip NVidia till Next Spring. NVidia has never implemented DX10.1 and they barely support DX10. Where is their tessellation?

-S

[Arclight]

It's been given a swirly and stuffed in a locker by PhysX. :roll:

Nvidia is focusing on improving current tech, while ATI is forging ahead, quickly implementing new tech. Thing is, if Nvidia would do hardware-tessellation too, it could become a standard technique. ATI has been putting tessellators in their GPUs from the R600, giving them a head start in this field.

Gonna be interesting to see what the future holds. If Nvidia keeps ignoring this feature of DX11 and game devs start using it, ATI could take the leed and keep it untill Nvidia makes hardware-tessellation capable GPU.

I'm sure they will conjure up some solution before this happens though. Simulating it seems viable given the sheer horsepower available on both todays GPUs and CPUs. :hmmm:

[SUBMAN1]

It's been given a swirly and stuffed in a locker by PhysX. :roll:

Nvidia is focusing on improving current tech, while ATI is forging ahead, quickly implementing new tech. Thing is, if Nvidia would do hardware-tessellation too, it could become a standard technique. ATI has been putting tessellators in their GPUs from the R600, giving them a head start in this field.

Gonna be interesting to see what the future holds. If Nvidia keeps ignoring this feature of DX11 and game devs start using it, ATI could take the leed and keep it untill Nvidia makes hardware-tessellation capable GPU.

I'm sure they will conjure up some solution before this happens though. Simulating it seems viable given the sheer horsepower available on both todays GPUs and CPUs. :hmmm:

Try not till Spring. And since their 520's are so complex, NVidia is taking a loss on each on right now that they sell. There is a good chance of a buyout or bankruptcy for them at the moment.

And they aren't focusing on current tech. They are focusing on a worthless feature called CUDA that no one wants.

-S

[stabiz]

13560 for me.

E8500
4GB DDR2
HD 4870 512MB
Win XP

Time for a reinstall, me thinks.

[Task Force]

I myself was thinking about ATI but I hate there control panel, all the fancy bullcrap. and ive heard they dont like to get to heated up/fans breakdown often.:hmmm:

And what the hell is this CUDA stuff. Ive heard of it and still dont have a clue what it is.:hmmm:

[Arclight]

Ehr, basically using GPU as CPU. Think of a CPU with 256 cores, something like that, if I understand correctly. Offcourse you need specially designed applications.

For example, you could use a GPU as a search engine. Instead of 2 or 4 threads, there are 256 running at once, making it possible to cover a lot of ground very quickly. Not sure if the analogy is accurate though, bit sketchy on the whole thing myself. :-?

[Task Force]

They realy need to look towards DX 11 or possiable DX 11.x or 12.:hmmm: what is the average lifespan of a 8800 that is overclocked to 576 mhz?

[Arclight]

IMO don't worry about raising the clocks too much, it's increasing the volts that will get ya.

Personally when it comes to PC stuff, I expect something to last as long as it's covered under the warantee, anything after that is just a bonus. So: 2 years. :DL

[Task Force]

This thing came with a lifetime warantee, and i just realised i forgot to regester it. (its 2 years old this december.):yep: Oah well, il get a better card eventualy.