Did Letterman cross the line?

[SteamWake]

Late night talk show host takes pot shots at Sarah Palin and her daughter referring to her as having "A slutty stewardess look" and that her 14 year old daughter got 'knocked up' by Alex Rodriguez.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/06/palin-vs-letterman.html

[FIREWALL]

I can't be impartial. :nope: I've never liked Letterman.:shucks:

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, he crossed the line. The comment of Palin's daughter and getting knocked up by Yankees A-Rod was way of bounds.

[GoldenRivet]

you can make fun of a public figure all you want as long as you stick to making fun of their political ideology, slip ups, bad acting, poor singing etc.

but family, and personal pot shots are below the belt. for example calling someone fat, or ugly, or calling their family names or making fun of their family's failures, disadvantages or shortcomings.... its off limits and its uncool.

i dont care for Sarah Palin either way, but Letterman lost me as a fan.

not only did he take serious pot shots at Palin, but he has also insulted flight attendants, a group of highly trained professionals, many of which take their jobs very seriously and are not there to serve drinks - they are there to pull your ass out of flaming wreckage when the sh*t hits the fan.

I used to really like Letterman when i was much younger, but he doesn't "make fun" of others equally or fairly - if you are going to have a late night talk show and you are going to make fun of a political candidate - do it like Conan O'Brien or Jay Leno... apply your jokes equally across the board to candidates on the left and right. an entertaining and professional host can remain neutral while still being funny.

Letterman seems to lean way too far Left and aim his jokes way too far right. and his show serves as a personal far left forum and shooting gallery at right wingers.

so in short.

not only has he offended an entire profession, but he also alienates a large part of a potential audience by consistently targeting the right.

besides; the election is over! why is he still talking about Palin? I think he has a crush

[Kapt Z]

Yes, he crossed the line. Yes, it was tasteless. Comedy often crosses the line. It's often tastless. I've seen MUCH worse at live comedy shows and MUCH, MUCH, MUCH worse on South Park.

His 'apology' was much funnier than the original 'joke'.

The Palin's would have been more effective if they had responded, "David Who?"

[SteamWake]

Whats with all this angst with Palin anyhow.

Are they threatend by her somehow? (They=Liberal elite)

I just dont get it.

[AVGWarhawk]

It make news Steamwake. It generates better ratings. Nothing more.

You know what though, anyone who can dream up a joke about an adult male having sex with a 14 year old needs to have his head examined.

[Stealth Hunter]

While I thought it was in poor taste, I did laugh.

People who are making a big deal out of it though are only doing it because of their politcal views.

[AVGWarhawk]

While I thought it was in poor taste, I did laugh.

People who are making a big deal out of it though are only doing it because of their politcal views.


And if it Obama's daughter as part of the joke the response would be?

Give me a break SH, I would not be amused if Letterman said the same about my 14 year old daughter. I do not give two rat's arses what political view he or I hold. It is way out of bounds.

[nikimcbee]

I think they should charge him with underage hate speech.:hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

And if it Obama's daughter as part of the joke the response would be?

The same. News stations would be voicing opinions over it (as they are now), and I would still think it to be in poor taste (but humorous).

Give me a break SH, I would not be amused if Letterman said the same about my 14 year old daughter.

None of us would be.

I do not give two rat's arses what political view he or I hold. It is way out of bounds.

But you know as well as I do that all this whole thing was political and people will/are take(ing) sides because of this. It happens every time.

Where exactly do we draw the line, though, on what is and isn't fair game to joke about?

[AVGWarhawk]

Where exactly do we draw the line, though, on what is and isn't fair game to joke about?

Kids are never fair game. Obama my not be my best buddy but I grew in some respect for the man when he said kids(family) are off limits. That is were the line drawn. Palin is a big girl. She can get over what is said about her. A 14 year old? Come on.

[SteamWake]

The same. News stations would be voicing opinions over it (as they are now), and I would still think it to be in poor taste (but humorous).

No the reaction would not be the same. Simple as that.

[Stealth Hunter]

No the reaction would not be the same. Simple as that.

Oh really? How would it be then?

[Zachstar]

A tasteless joke and one of the reasons I am starting to prefer NBC late night over the CBS lineup. But do be aware that controversy like that is manufactured to generate ratings by the big dogs. You are just feeding it posting a topic about it.

[AVGWarhawk]

A tasteless joke and one of the reasons I am starting to prefer NBC late night over the CBS lineup. But do be aware that controversy like that is manufactured to generate ratings by the big dogs. You are just feeding it posting a topic about it.

Certainly Subsim does not generate ratings by posting this on the forum. However, the media making a stink about it and Letterman asking Palin to come to his show....now that would generate ratings. Unfortunate for Dave, the Palins are not playing the ratings game and will not come to Daves show. Good plan by the Palins.

[OneToughHerring]

Slutty stewardesses...mmmmm...:)

[AVGWarhawk]

Slutty stewardesses...mmmmm...:)


That is a whole other movie :har:

[sunvalleyslim]

Lettermans getting right up there with the Jerry Springer Show of Tastelessness..............:down: :down: :down: :down:

[Platapus]

I think that children should be off limits on both sides.

Politicians should not "use" their children as part of their campaign

Critics should not "use" children as part of their critique/attack/comedy.

It needs to work both ways.

What really annoys me is whether Letterman is apologizing or not. I can't tell.

Is he truly apologizing or is this just another stichick ?

[AVGWarhawk]

Lettermans apology was asking the Palins to be on his show. That is just a ratings ploy. The Palins are not coming to bolster Lettermans ratings. They have already stated that.

[Stealth Hunter]

Slutty stewardesses...mmmmm...:)

http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/Smileys/classic/face_mischief.gif

[CastleBravo]

Well, weather what letterman said was 'right' or 'wrong' makes little difference now....the horse has left the barn. it opens the flood gates for off color remarks to be hurled at Sasha and Malia.

[OneToughHerring]

http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/Smileys/classic/face_mischief.gif What a funny smilie.

But anyway, in fact it was a slutty flight attendant, not stewardess. Btw, what happened to slutty librarian? I think that's the most accurate. You see I know, I used to work in a library once, I could you tell you stories...:DL

[Stealth Hunter]

What a funny smilie.

Lol, it's [face_mischief].

Oh and we all can't forget Who's Nailin' Palin?, ha.:haha:

[Onkel Neal]

And if it Obama's daughter as part of the joke the response would be?

Give me a break SH, I would not be amused if Letterman said the same about my 14 year old daughter. I do not give two rat's arses what political view he or I hold. It is way out of bounds.


Agreed, very bad taste, and unacceptable from a grown man. I would feel the same if it were the Obama daughters, Clinton's daughter, the Bush daughters...etc. Letterman should get his ass kicked. Where's Madonna when you need her?


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[Kapt Z]

I think that children should be off limits on both sides.

Politicians should not "use" their children as part of their campaign

Critics should not "use" children as part of their critique/attack/comedy.

It needs to work both ways.

What really annoys me is whether Letterman is apologizing or not. I can't tell.

Is he truly apologizing or is this just another stichick ?

Nobody is off limits. That's why you never sit in the front row at a comedy club, become a celebrity, run for public office....

You're gonna get hammered eventually, fair or not.

Palin's a easy mark for comedians. Her own statements, verbatim, made for the funniest SNL skit in decades. Besides portraying yourself as a champion of conservative 'family values' and then have a pregnant teenage daughter is just too much irony for most comedians to pass up.

Funny enough in my local papers it's the 'conservative' columnists that HATE Palin the most. They think she is GOD's gift to Democrats.:haha:

[Takeda Shingen]

Agreed, very bad taste, and unacceptable from a grown man. I would feel the same if it were the Obama daughters, Clinton's daughter, the Bush daughters...etc. Letterman should get his ass kicked. Where's Madonna when you need her?


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Meh. The comment was much more about Palin's parenting and much less about the daughter. No, it probably wasn't the smartest thing to say, and there are much better ways to take a stab at Palin than invoking her children, but this is a molehill.

Zachstar I am sorry, but regarding the NBC lineup, Jimmy Fallon and his program are just god-awful.

[Aramike]

Meh. The comment was much more about Palin's parenting and much less about the daughter. No, it probably wasn't the smartest thing to say, and there are much better ways to take a stab at Palin than invoking her children, but this is a molehill.

Zachstar I am sorry, but regarding the NBC lineup, Jimmy Fallon and his program are just god-awful.So 17 year olds having sex is a sign of bad parenting? Or, teenagers making bad decisions is a sign of bad parenting?

[SteamWake]

Oh really? How would it be then?

If you cannot cleary see the double standards of the 'popular' media then I dont know what to say.

[Stealth Hunter]

If you cannot cleary see the double standards of the 'popular' media then I dont know what to say.

That wasn't an answer to my question, Steam.

[GoldenRivet]

So 17 year olds having sex is a sign of bad parenting? Or, teenagers making bad decisions is a sign of bad parenting?


my parents were great.

i said no to drugs, i never got drunk and never got into trouble with the law.

i did my homework (usually) and turned out to be a pretty decent guy.

but i screwed my brains out when i was 17 years old. :rock:

teens fu*king is normal.

ask any generation, they will tell you.

teenagers have been sneaking off and screwing since the dawn of the first erection.

[AVGWarhawk]

my parents were great.

i said no to drugs, i never got drunk and never got into trouble with the law.

i did my homework (usually) and turned out to be a pretty decent guy.

but i screwed my brains out when i was 17 years old. :rock:

teens fu*king is normal.

ask any generation, they will tell you.

teenagers have been sneaking off and screwing since the dawn of the first erection.


Yeah, I was getting a bone of my own around that age. :03: I played it safe though. :D

[SteamWake]

That wasn't an answer to my question, Steam.

Well as others have said .. for example if Limbaugh described Michelle Obama or there children in such a manner calls for his immediate censure and firing would be loud and prominent.

[Wolfehunter]

I don't understand? You preach about right of expression. Yet when someone does it you tell him to shut up?

The right of express can be good and bad for anyone. Either allow people to express there opinions or remove the right for people to talk.

Why is this an issue? Free speech is free speech. You don't like it don't listen to it.

Simple. :nope:

[CastleBravo]

This is the latest from the Letterman camp..................

saying that the joke was aimed at 18-year-old Bristol Palin, not Willow: “We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]... and now they’re upset with me…” Letterman said.

But Bristol wasn't with the governoron here trip to NYC to help autistic children, her 14 yo daughter Willow was along and was at the Yankee's game. So it was just a gratuitous slam for which Letterman will forever be known. What is his child up to now?

I'll say it Letterman is a POS for this behavior.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/06/palin-vs-letterman.html

[Torplexed]

One of the things I admired about Johnny Carson was that he had the class and the grace to leave his show while he was in top form. Probably too difficult a proposition for Letterman who may have been fresh and edgy when he started in the early eighties, but I think his routine has descended into tired shtick. The election was nine long months ago and he's still going after the losing side's VP candidate? Time for him to hand the reins over before he embarrasses himself further. The show has become flat and uninspired and he's pretty much just going through the motions anyway.

[August]

The right of express can be good and bad for anyone. Either allow people to express there opinions or remove the right for people to talk.

Well that's a stupid idea.

Nobody is saying he couldn't say what he said. Don't you think people have the right to express their opinions about your opinion?

[Aramike]

Besides portraying yourself as a champion of conservative 'family values' and then have a pregnant teenage daughter is just too much irony for most comedians to pass up.SERIOUSLY?

Are you implying that one cannot hold values that sometimes are compromised due to the actions of a TEENAGER?

[Aramike]

Well that's a stupid idea.

Nobody is saying he couldn't say what he said. Don't you think people have the right to express their opinions about your opinion?Heh, you said exactly what I was thinking...

I find it ironic that the left's so-called "champions" of free speech always complain about others exercising their free speech rights to tell them that they should shut up.

[TDK1044]

Any politician or celebrity is fair game. Their families are not. I wonder how Mr Letterman would react to criticism of his young son for being the offspring of a wrinkled old fart who may be dead by the time the kid gets to College?

[Carotio]

I don't know if this is a cultural difference, but I found it quite funny.
The Letterman show is broadcasted in a Danish tv-channel as well a week or two after it's US broadcast, and I do watch it from time to time. And I think he is quite funny. :yeah:
The show with Jay Leno was on air at some time too, but never caught the great audience here. He's just too boring...:down:

Should Letterman make fun with Palin's daughter? Well, sure... I think he and everybody else should make fun of anybody and anything. :yep:
Does anyone remember the Mohammed cartoon story from 2007? 12 Danish cartoonists made some sketches of Mohammed for a Danish newspaper, because an author was threatened not to bring images of the holy prophet. :nope:
Up theirs... Bring it on. Jokes about anything and anybody should be made, and as long as they are meant as jokes, I really can't see the harm...:shifty:

[danurve]

Letterman Blows.
He doesn't talk to his audience, he talks to that over-rated musician puppet of his. He's just looking for ratings to sell advertising space.
The entire world would be a better place if people would stop kissing hollywood @ss.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't know if this is a cultural difference, but I found it quite funny.
The Letterman show is broadcasted in a Danish tv-channel as well a week or two after it's US broadcast, and I do watch it from time to time. And I think he is quite funny. :yeah:
The show with Jay Leno was on air at some time too, but never caught the great audience here. He's just too boring...:down:

Should Letterman make fun with Palin's daughter? Well, sure... I think he and everybody else should make fun of anybody and anything. :yep:
Does anyone remember the Mohammed cartoon story from 2007? 12 Danish cartoonists made some sketches of Mohammed for a Danish newspaper, because an author was threatened not to bring images of the holy prophet. :nope:
Up theirs... Bring it on. Jokes about anything and anybody should be made, and as long as they are meant as jokes, I really can't see the harm...:shifty:

No, joking about a 14 year old and getting knocked up by a professional baseball player boarders on retarded and not really funny in my book. Although Letterman claims it was about Bristol Palin (age 18), Bristol was not in NY and certainly not attending a Yankees baseball game. The 14 year old Willow was. What Letteman does is lean very left and anyone on the right apparently is fair game inclusive of 14 year old girls enjoying a baseball game and underaged sex with an adult. That right there should raise an eyebrow. Really, it was an unecessary joke.

[Platapus]

While I disagree with what Letterman did (I personally find the joke inappropriate), I would like to bring up an opposing viewpoint.

No where it is written that everyone must find every joke funny at all times.

For any joke told there will be people reacting differently. Comedy is, by its very nature, cruel. It is difficult to find any joke that absolutely inoffensive to everyone in all cultures at all times.

So, if Ms Palin finds the joke inappropriate, that's great. She is entitled to her opinion just as I am. However, neither Ms Palin nor myself have the authority to determine what "is funny" and what is "not funny" with respect to other people.

The instance of one person, or even a large group of people finding a specific joke "not funny" should not influence whether the joke is indeed funny (a very subjective concept) or "acceptable"

All that I can reasonably say is that this joke was unacceptable to ME. For every person who found Letterman's joke unacceptable, there are others who found it completely acceptable.

Who should have authority over Letterman on what jokes he chooses to tell on his TV show? Not I. Not Ms Palin. I suppose the sponsors do as they control the funding. But certanily not the public.

The public has the right to consider any joke unacceptable.
The public has the right to stop watching the performer/buying the sponsor's products
The public has the right to voice their opinion on the unacceptability of the joke

However, the public does not have the right to mandate what is and what is not funny.

[AVGWarhawk]

However, the public does not have the right to mandate what is and what is not funny.

Ok, so when is a joke about statutory rape funny?

[Platapus]

Ok, so when is a joke about statutory rape funny?

Dunno. I would probably find any such joke unacceptable. But the point of my post is that I am not an authority on what is or is not acceptable humour.

[SteamWake]

Humor boundrys aside. I think this is just symptomatic of a much bigger picture.

[August]

Dunno. I would probably find any such joke unacceptable. But the point of my post is that I am not an authority on what is or is not acceptable humour.

But Platapus, I don't believe anyone is calling for legislation to make such jokes illegal. Why are you and others trying to imply that it is?

[Takeda Shingen]

So 17 year olds having sex is a sign of bad parenting? Or, teenagers making bad decisions is a sign of bad parenting?

Yes, I believe that was the crux of his joke, whether one thinks it in good taste or not. Everything else is little more than politically-motivated hot air.

Any politician or celebrity is fair game. Their families are not. I wonder how Mr Letterman would react to criticism of his young son for being the offspring of a wrinkled old fart who may be dead by the time the kid gets to College?

With respect to Mr. Letterman, he has not made his son a spectacle by including him as part of his program, as the Obama and Palin children were during the campaign, and the conventions in particular. I may be call callous for saying it, but I believe that if you make your family part of your 'brand', so to speak, they become fair game.

[AVGWarhawk]

With respect to Mr. Letterman, he has not made his son a spectacle by including him as part of his program, as the Obama and Palin children were during the campaign, and the conventions in particular. I may be call callous for saying it, but I believe that if you make your family part of your 'brand', so to speak, they become fair game.

Here is the problem. What brand is Palins 14 year old daughter? She was visiting NY and went to a Yankees game. The campaign is over and there is no brand that I can think of. I do not see the Palins as fair game. She back in Alaska shooing the Russians off her porch. Not for nothing, every politician makes their family the brand. As I stated before in this thread, Obama said families are off limits even if they are part of the brand. I agree with Obama and most of the others in this thread. Poor taste, poor timing and poor joke. Letterman needs some new writers.

[Platapus]

But Platapus, I don't believe anyone is calling for legislation to make such jokes illegal. Why are you and others trying to imply that it is?

When did anyone mention or even imply legislation?

[Takeda Shingen]

Here is the problem. What brand is Palins 14 year old daughter? She was visiting NY and went to a Yankees game. The campaign is over and there is no brand that I can think of. I do not see the Palins as fair game. She back in Alaska shooing the Russians off her porch. Not for nothing, every politician makes their family the brand. As I stated before in this thread, Obama said families are off limits even if they are part of the brand. I agree with Obama and most of the others in this thread. Poor taste, poor timing and poor joke. Letterman needs some new writers.

I believe that Letterman would probably counter by stating that Palin is still campaigning for a future position. After all, she is doing a tremendous amount of public speaking, and very little of it in Alaska.

Regarding Obama, I don't really see how you can have a teleconference with your daughter on the Jumbotron during the Democratic National Convention and still keep them from criticism or critique, either comic or serious. Personally, I would prefer to see all politicians leave their families aside. I'm voting for Barack, not Sasha; Sarah, not Bristol.

[Stealth Hunter]

Ok, so when is a joke about statutory rape funny?

When it involves a clown.

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe that Letterman would probably counter by stating that Palin is still campaigning for a future position. After all, she is doing a tremendous amount of public speaking, and very little of it in Alaska.

Regarding Obama, I don't really see how you can have a teleconference with your daughter on the Jumbotron during the Democratic National Convention and still keep them from criticism or critique, either comic or serious. Personally, I would prefer to see all politicians leave their families aside. I'm voting for Barack, not Sasha; Sarah, not Bristol.

To be honest, I do not know what Palin is doing now or in the future. Sadly, I do not this she does either. At any rate, the public is sold the whole package which includes the wife, kids and dog. It is the nature of the beast. I would have hoped that Obama stating family are off limits would have been enough to carry through ever after the election. We see it has not. It would not hurt Letterman man to mutter he is sorry.

[August]

When did anyone mention or even imply legislation?

Well you did for one.

However, the public does not have the right to mandate what is and what is not funny.That implies that somebody is trying to mandate it no?

[Tribesman]

Ok, so when is a joke about statutory rape funny?
When it is a funny joke

[Aramike]

When it is a funny jokeThat says a lot about your character.

Most people wouldn't find any joke about rape funny, but alas, you might.

Quite telling.

[Tribesman]

Quite telling indeed , it tells us once again you that cannot read and comprehend Aramike.
Don't worry though as I am in a helpful mood today. So why don't see if you can find a responsible grown up to help you with understanding the following....
What is "rape"? What is "statuatory rape"?


Now for other people who can actually understand words and who might just think that the topic of underage sex isn't suitable material for a funny joke lets move it up a notch to see how quickly your point falls apart.
How about jokes about child sex abuse?
Outrageous, surely there is nothing funny about peadophiles abusing children is there.....so how many of you have laughed at the jokes about Michael Jackson or priests?

[Takeda Shingen]

It would not hurt Letterman man to mutter he is sorry.

No, it would not. And he would have been better off if he never said it in the first place.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I think the most significant difference, Tribesman, is the fact that the butt of this joke was a named minor, whose family is already dealing with the complex issues surrounding teen pregnancy. It's hardly fair for either of the Palin girls to be thrust onto the national stage in such a derogatory manner, which could problems for them later in life. It could even be construed as defamation of character in a court of law.

That said, I tend to side with freedom of speech on the issue. As far as I'm concerned, Letterman can mercilessly torment a young orphan with down syndrome and elephantitis, and I wouldn't bat an eye. As repugnant as I may find such a thing on a personal level, he should have the right to poke fun at everyone, as long as it is not direct and intended defamation. The consequence to him comes in the form of a loss of viewers and even sponsors. Sponsors who continue to support him risk the loss of part of their customer base and a reduced effectiveness in their advertising, and that is all the further it needs to go.

[Aramike]

Quite telling indeed , it tells us once again you that cannot read and comprehend Aramike.
Don't worry though as I am in a helpful mood today. So why don't see if you can find a responsible grown up to help you with understanding the following....
What is "rape"? What is "statuatory rape"?


Now for other people who can actually understand words and who might just think that the topic of underage sex isn't suitable material for a funny joke lets move it up a notch to see how quickly your point falls apart.
How about jokes about child sex abuse?
Outrageous, surely there is nothing funny about peadophiles abusing children is there.....so how many of you have laughed at the jokes about Michael Jackson or priests?Blah, blah, "you can't read and comprehend MY incomprehensible and ultimately pointless statements".

Good one. I'm going to file that under the "Repeatedly Grasping at Straws" category, which ironically resides right beside the "Tribesman Doesn't Know the Definition and Application of 'Context'" drawer.

Oh, and I don't disagree that Michael Jackson jokes are funny. But it seems so very easy to comprehend the distinction that Michael Jackson jokes are on Michael Jackson, and the Palin jokes are on the daughters, (ostensibly the older one, although CONTEXT would suggest it was about the younger one, but you don't know what context means so that's okay).

[TDK1044]

Letterman made a joke that was not very funny and was in poor taste. This was made worse because it turned out that it was the younger Palin daughter at the game.

End of issue. :)

[Tribesman]

I think the most significant difference, Tribesman, is the fact that the butt of this joke was a named minor
Yes , but the question didn't specify that , it just asked when is a joke about underage sex funny . The only answer is that a joke is funny when it is funny.

Blah, blah,
Then of course along came a muppet who can't think and made his usual mess of attempting to comprehend simple things by changing underage sex into something else as a futile attempt to try and pretend he has some sort of point to make.
So Aramike, are you a natural born idiot or did it take you years of practice?

[SteamWake]

I think this thread has run its course.

Enough with the personal sniping already take it to PM if you want to do that.

[Safe-Keeper]

Whats with all this angst with Palin anyhow.

Are they threatend by her somehow? (They=Liberal elite)Oh? If that's the case (that attention is proportional to angst), one wonders why everyone is so petrified of Obama, Al Gore and Kerry.

Most people wouldn't find any joke about rape funnyOh? Making juvenile jokes about rape, unfortunately, seems to be incredibly popular these days in my eyes.

Up theirs... Bring it on. Jokes about anything and anybody should be made, and as long as they are meant as jokes, I really can't see the harm...:shifty:The problem is that we Westerners don't understand how important Islam is to Muslims - even in the US, you rarely if ever see people believe in and practice religion with the same fervor. Certainly not in Scandinavia. A blogger I followed once published an essay about how she had lived in Oman, and a friend of hers there recounted to her that once he dropped a Qur'an to the floor accidentally once. His classmates were outraged (even though it'd blown over by the end of the period, after apologies and whatnot). Islam is life itself to these people, and we Westerners forget both this and that we, too, are incredibly easily offended when values we hold to be vital to our society are in question. Imagine some politician stating that rape of children should be legalized. With values important to us questioned, Would there be a huge outcry, or would everyone sit in a circle, sing kumbaya and praise freedom of speech? Aren't there a lot of people who want prison sentences for burning flags?

Also, it's easy for us to make this a question of principles and publish the cartoons because we see the alternative as some kind of arbitrary defeat, but a bit less so for the people who are actually harmed, physically, by bombings and other threats to their persons due to the actions of some "freedom of speech advocate" half a world away.

[Aramike]

Yes , but the question didn't specify that , it just asked when is a joke about underage sex funny . The only answer is that a joke is funny when it is funny.


Then of course along came a muppet who can't think and made his usual mess of attempting to comprehend simple things by changing underage sex into something else as a futile attempt to try and pretend he has some sort of point to make.
So Aramike, are you a natural born idiot or did it take you years of practice?The joke wasn't about underage sex. It was about statuatory rape.

Nice try with your futile effort to keep riding the "you can't comprehend" me card. You're right - I can't. Because you're too big of an idiot to communicate properly.

[Tribesman]

The joke wasn't about underage sex. It was about statuatory rape.

Are you really that dumb?
I had asked before , but obviously you can't read and comprehend.
So here we go again , try hard and concentrate to see what the words of the question mean.....
What is statutory rape?
Come on it ain't a hard question .
Would you like some help ?
Statutory rape is consensual sex when people are underage .
Work it out aramike , go on put the pieces together , its so simple that even you should be able to manage.
Statutory rape IS underage sex.

[Aramike]

Are you really that dumb?
I had asked before , but obviously you can't read and comprehend.
So here we go again , try hard and concentrate to see what the words of the question mean.....
What is statutory rape?
Come on it ain't a hard question .
Would you like some help ?
Statutory rape is consensual sex when people are underage .
Work it out aramike , go on put the pieces together , its so simple that even you should be able to manage.
Statutory rape IS underage sex.Really? Are you going to stand by these words?

Statutory Rape: an adult having illegal sex with a minor.
Underage Sex: A minor engaging in sex.

Those are two very different things.

It's fun to be nitpicky with someone who gets so riled up as you do. Dance, puppet.

[CastleBravo]

Obam's kids coudn't spell their way out of a paperbag. That's not funny, dad couldn't work himself out of one either. Without the teleprompter.

Obama is less well spoken than Bush was. Obama just uses a teleprompter.

[Tribesman]

Really? Are you going to stand by these words?

Yes.
Statutory Rape: an adult having illegal sex with a minor.
Underage Sex: A minor engaging in sex.

No , the legal definition is very clear . Statutory rape is when one or both parties is below the statutory age of consent, any consensual sex involving someone underage is statutory rape. Sorry to confuse you with legalities , but its a legal issue isn't it.
When both parties in a case are below the age of consent then it is the eldest who is the defendant.

[Aramike]

Yes.

No , the legal definition is very clear . Statutory rape is when one or both parties is below the statutory age of consent, any consensual sex involving someone underage is statutory rape. Sorry to confuse you with legalities , but its a legal issue isn't it.
When both parties in a case are below the age of consent then it is the eldest who is the defendant.What's funny about that is that the legal definition is not clear. It depends on the particular law, which changes from state to state, at least in the US.

But in any case, I'm shocked that you didn't respond with what was coming to be the standard vitriol. I'd thought you'd TOTALLY bite on the fact that statutory rape must involve a minor, therefore would include underage sex.

Oh well, maybe next time... :|\\

[Tribesman]

fact
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Would that be fact or "fact"

[Aramike]

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Would that be fact or "fact"Wait, so you're disputing that statutory rape must involve a minor?

Having a hard time comprehending, are you?

[Tribesman]

Wait, so you're disputing that statutory rape must involve a minor?

yes thats what was written ...in your strange imagination
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
It was you who thought it was something it wasn't.
In fact you started off by confusing statutory rape with rape which are two completely different things.
You really are letting yourslf down very badly in this topic Aramike.

But hey lets try again , read this quote slowly .
Statutory rape IS underage sex.
:hmmm:
Now if that is too confusing for you try it the other way round
Underage sex IS statutory rape.
OK , got that ? It is quite easy.
Now a slightly harder one for you to ponder.
What does "underage" mean ?


So now for the really important question....
Are you just going out of your way to demonstrate your lack of comprehension ?

[Aramike]

Underage sex IS statutory rape.Umm, no its not.

"Statutory rape" is subject to - anyone, ANYONE??? STATUTES!!! YAY, Tribesman ALMOST got it.

Statutes can be different depending upon the location.

However, two 14 year olds having consensual sex is NOT statutory rape in many places, although it IS underaged sex. Take one those 14 year olds and pair them with a 35 year old, and now it IS statutory rape.

Now to put it in words Tribesman can understand:

Blah blah, blah blah blah, blah, blah. Waa, waa, blah waa, blah. :yep:

But keep dancing, puppet. Your easier to control than a sports car with new tires.

PS: Please take off the spandex.

[owner20071963]

If this so called TV Presenter was in Europe?
Including others I dear not mention?
He and others like him would be Jobless,
Sadly the more You watch TV on the sofa You will get what we call Obesity or Obese :yawn:

[SUBMAN1]

Letterman made a joke that was not very funny and was in poor taste. This was made worse because it turned out that it was the younger Palin daughter at the game.

End of issue. :)

About sums it up right there.

-S

[Tribesman]

Umm, no its not.

Yes it is .

Statutes can be different depending upon the location.

Indeed they can
However, two 14 year olds having consensual sex is NOT statutory rape in many places, although it IS underaged sex.
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
It is not statutory rape if they are above the statutory age of majority.
So for your example .... in a jursisdiction where the age of majority is 13 then it wouldn't be statutory rape if they are 14, but as the legal age of majority determines that limit then isn't underage sex is it.

Try again , read the following very slowly , get help with the hard words....Statutory rape IS underage sex.


So since you have already demonstrated that you have difficulty reading , differentiating between rape and statutory rape, don't know what statutory means , don't know what underage means and don't even understand what a statute is....
I have to ask , what is the next demonstration of your lack of knowledge going to be?

[CastleBravo]

If I or anyone else said the sme things about another Subsim Member's family would it go unchallenged?

[Aramike]

Yes it is .


Indeed they can

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
It is not statutory rape if they are above the statutory age of majority.
So for your example .... in a jursisdiction where the age of majority is 13 then it wouldn't be statutory rape if they are 14, but as the legal age of majority determines that limit then isn't underage sex is it.

Try again , read the following very slowly , get help with the hard words....


So since you have already demonstrated that you have difficulty reading , differentiating between rape and statutory rape, don't know what statutory means , don't know what underage means and don't even understand what a statute is....
I have to ask , what is the next demonstration of your lack of knowledge going to be?Nice try confusing the issue. My post above stands completely to this convoluted attempt at communicating.

There's a great tool called a dictionary that can define "underage" for you. Here, let me pull a Tribesman: :har::har::har::har::har::har:

Keep dancing, though. :yep:

[atuhalpa]

Only idiots watch TV, and only stupid idiots watch network TV.

[Aramike]

Only idiots watch TV, and only stupid idiots watch network TV.Interesting first post... :nope:

[Tribesman]

Nice try confusing the issue.
The only thing confused in this issue is you, that is because really simple things are quite beyond your grasp.

My post above stands completely
Your post demonstrates that you havn't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

There's a great tool called a dictionary that can define "underage" for you.
Indeed , there is a thing called a dictionary , it explains what words mean.
Underage is clearly defined
So perhaps you can find a dictionary , then find someone in your house who has a functioning brain and then they can explain to you in really simple words why you are completely clueless.

[Onkel Neal]

Interesting first post... :nope:


Yeah, no kidding. :hmmm:

[Onkel Neal]

The only thing confused in this issue is you, that is because really simple things are quite beyond your grasp.


Your post demonstrates that you havn't the faintest idea what you are talking about.


Indeed , there is a thing called a dictionary , it explains what words mean.
Underage is clearly defined
So perhaps you can find a dictionary , then find someone in your house who has a functioning brain and then they can explain to you in really simple words why you are completely clueless.

Nice try confusing the issue. My post above stands completely to this convoluted attempt at communicating.

There's a great tool called a dictionary that can define "underage" for you. Here, let me pull a Tribesman: :har::har::har::har::har::har:

Keep dancing, though. :yep:


This isn't going anywhere, let's take a break.