Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

[CastleBravo]

This NHC thing will only make health care poor health care. How many examples have we seen of how poorly it works? I have a personal story which reinforces this opinion. It happened in Europe under a gov't health scenerio....I wish it happened in the US where I could count on the best available tratment ISO a bearucrat's idea of best treatment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us/politics/11health.html

[SteamWake]

and so it begins...

I have bad news for you National Health Care will become a reality before you can say socialist agenda.

[AVGWarhawk]

There are a lot of problems in the healthcare system. First, there is no system. Some have it and some don't. That is the system. Under the governments plan you do not have to get the government insurance. If you are happy with your own insurance you can keep it. Well, that is good and all but why would an employer keep insurance on his employees when he can have them get their own under the government? He will not. Eventually everyone will be on the government insurance plan, there will be backlogs and your health care decisions will be made by some page on Capital Hill not a doctor.

Welcome to the new order.

[AVGWarhawk]

For Steamwake:

http://standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama-brownshirt.jpg

[SteamWake]

There are a lot of problems in the healthcare system. First, there is no system. Some have it and some don't. That is the system. Under the governments plan you do not have to get the government insurance. If you are happy with your own insurance you can keep it. Well, that is good and all but why would an employer keep insurance on his employees when he can have them get their own under the government? He will not. Eventually everyone will be on the government insurance plan, there will be backlogs and your health care decisions will be made by some page on Capital Hill not a doctor.

Welcome to the new order.

Dont forget to mention there is alredy a movement to tax private health care benefits.

[SteamWake]

and heres how they plan to pay for it !


House Health-Care Bill to Include $600 Billion in Tax Increases


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLNecbH0dcg

[AVGWarhawk]

Dont forget to mention there is alredy a movement to tax private health care benefits.

I'm taxed on that already. I have a credit card from Care First Blue Cross. It has $2400.00 on it for family coverage. This card is used for medication or co-pay. This card can also be used to purchase anything really. It is included in my taxable income for the year. So, no suprise there.

[AVGWarhawk]

and heres how they plan to pay for it !


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aqLNecbH0dcg


I see a cut of 400 billion in medicad/medicare with means these folks will be on this new government plan. The bad part here is the brilliant minds on Capital Hill say if you like your plan you can stay with it. Do you think employers will want to keep paying for health when the government will? Hell no. This will force all into a huge beauracray of medical care. That is the problem. I suspect we will keep ours as is. It is just they way my boss is. In fact, he is the one that loads my credit card with $2400.00 every year. If I do not use the entire $2400.00 he replenishes the account back to $2400.00. I would sure hate to become one that has government health care. The wait time will be nuts to see a doctor. The pencil pushers will be calling the shots for what test and care you should receive.

If Tort reform worked the cost of medical would not be as bad as it is. Futhermore, I read that those that are covered pay an additional $1600.00 a year to cover the uninsured. Let's face it, the whole system is a mess and has been left unchecked for decades.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Here's a thought. What if our benevolent Federal caretakers just started their own health insurance company without stealing money from people to create and sustain it?
Without the burden of corrupt board members earning obscene wages, and all the attendant evils of private industry, they should have no problem providing a good product for a good price, and taking care of those who can't afford that, right? That's what they expect private industry to do, and criticize for not doing it, so why not have the state try its' hand at doing "good" business? They can set wage and price caps to their hearts' content, as long as they aren't stealing people's money to do it.

Naturally, that will never happen, because the state is not capable of running anything in a sustainable fashion, and it knows it. As with damn near everything that comes out of Washington, what they really mean to say is; "We know what's best for you, because you are all idiots. Give us your money, and we will spend it correctly, because we are altruistic and wise."
Of course the state, and the various self-serving a$$holes that it is comprised of, are neither altruistic, nor wise. It's a monopoly on a nightmarish scale that you will never find in the free market.

If liberal (and even some conservative) ideas on big government are so revolutionary and beneficient, then why can they not compete with the private sector? The free market is based entirely on the idea of voluntary transactions. That is, I offer a product for a price, and if you don't want it or don't think it is worth the price, you can say no. The state is based entirely on the principle of charging you for services you may not want or need, and that gives it incredible potential for abuse, even surpassing that of a private monopoly, because there is no way to say no.

So, I say this to proponents of nationalized healthcare; just come out and say what you really mean. Tell us all about your vision for how everyone can prosper that you developed whilst not giving a second thought to the practicality of it all. Tell us how universal healthcare really can work better than the private sector without slowly killing the nation through defecit spending. Finally, tell us all about how you're really self-centered monopolists who want to push your own agenda and are willing to force people to comply with it through legal means. Tell us how you're the kind of selfish, short-sighted a$$hole who says "things would be so much better if I was in charge! I'd make this, and this, and this, happen.", without giving a second thought as to what is required to realize your vision.

I realize that this response is a bit out of character for me, and I hope you will pardon my brusqueness, but the more I see of the current administration and its' supporters, the more I realize that it really is a socialist movement, and that it will lead to disaster. This ship of state needs to be heading the complete opposite direction before the vainglorious aspirations of our various captains plunge it into the maelstrom. We have learned the lesson that the state cannot be trusted a hundred times over, how many more times will we make the same mistake?