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Sub Sailor
06-09-09, 06:43 PM
How dot, or can you, transfer the two reserve fish to internal tubes? I tried to find it in Sh3 and SH3 Commandeer manuals.
Captain Birdseye
06-09-09, 06:48 PM
Just drag them over :up:
Make sure you have enough crew in the relevant compartments to transfer though!
There was discussion on when this would be realistically done a few weeks ago if you want to search :DL
Sheldon
06-09-09, 07:13 PM
Press the I key to open up your ammunition allocation screen. The default should be your torpedoes and another tab on that screen is for your cannon/AA.
On that screen you need to drag the external torpedo over your internal reserve area (not the actual firing tube area). It takes time. If you speed up time and mouse-over the external reserve, you will see how long it will take for the move. As Captain Birdseye says, make sure you have enough crew in the aft or fore torpedo room (whichever is appropriate) so it goes faster.
The real question is: why can't we use an external aft torpedo to replenish internal fore torpedoes? How would the torpedo know what direction it will fire? That makes me crazy.
Sub Sailor
06-09-09, 07:29 PM
I appreciate the help.
I read where the Germans would float fish between resupply subs. I don't ever remember reading that the aft reserve fish was moved fwd or vice versus. I supppose it is possible but would take a long time.
Thanks again,
Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)
Captain Birdseye
06-09-09, 08:02 PM
The real question is: why can't we use an external aft torpedo to replenish internal fore torpedoes? How would the torpedo know what direction it will fire? That makes me crazy.
The pure logistics of it deem it nigh on impossible. When you take into consideration the weight and size of a single torpedo, and the space to 'swing' the torpedo on the U-Boat, it can't be done.
FUBAR295
06-09-09, 09:34 PM
The animation shows how the torpedoes where brought inside the Uboot.
http://www.u-boote-online.de/waffen/torpedos.php?location=uboote
Good Hunting,
FUBAR295
Lol, when i had same problem then i figured out that i can't do it underwater...
Leandros
06-10-09, 04:15 AM
How dot, or can you, transfer the two reserve fish to internal tubes? I tried to find it in Sh3 and SH3 Commandeer manuals.
I believe it is also necessary to have some torpedo crews in the fwd torpedo room even when you transfer the aft ones.....
Sub Sailor
06-10-09, 08:15 AM
Great animation FUBAR. Looks like the rigging that I saw in pictures. As far as it can't be done, after 25 years in the Navy most of it on Subs, Sailors always find a way to do it. I believe that holds true for sailors in all navies.
Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret):salute:
Sailor Steve
06-10-09, 11:36 AM
The pure logistics of it deem it nigh on impossible. When you take into consideration the weight and size of a single torpedo, and the space to 'swing' the torpedo on the U-Boat, it can't be done.
Yes, it could. They could do it the same way they transferred torpedoes from the supply subs - using inflatable rafts. Could, but as far as I know didn't, because it would take an extra hour at least. Dangerous work in in dangerous waters.
Jimbuna
06-10-09, 11:53 AM
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sharkbit
06-10-09, 12:01 PM
Cool pictures jimbuna. :yeah:
That looks like a lot of dangerous work, even without the threat of attack. I'm sure the last thing anyone wanted to hear was "Aircraft spotted!":o
I do recall that while Suhren's U-564 was transfering the torpedoes shown in those photos, the last one went to the bottom when the air in the life jackets they were using had slowly leaked and finally couldn't support the eel and down she went.
:)
Bent Periscope
06-10-09, 01:26 PM
Great animation & photos.
Now I have an idea how this was done and why it takes so long.
BP
Cool pictures jimbuna. :yeah:
That looks like a lot of dangerous work, even without the threat of attack. I'm sure the last thing anyone wanted to hear was "Aircraft spotted!":o
I do recall that while Suhren's U-564 was transfering the torpedoes shown in those photos, the last one went to the bottom when the air in the life jackets they were using had slowly leaked and finally couldn't support the eel and down she went.
:)
I'm sure it wasn't a quick job either. As I remember Suhren did this mid-Atlantic 1942 where there wasn't Allied air cover yet.
I don't use the external reloads 'in game' unless-
1) I'm out of range of aircraft patrols.
2) The weather is perfect=clear skies, dead calm seas, daylight or full moon night.
3) Engines stopped.
4) I have enough fuel to make continuing the patrol worth it.
Wow, Jim, what book are those photos from?
I wonder how common external torpedo loading was in the Atlantic from mid '43 onward.
I'm sure it wasn't a quick job either. As I remember Suhren did this mid-Atlantic 1942 where there wasn't Allied air cover yet.
I don't use the external reloads 'in game' unless-
1) I'm out of range of aircraft patrols.
2) The weather is perfect=clear skies, dead calm seas, daylight or full moon night.
3) Engines stopped.
4) I have enough fuel to make continuing the patrol worth it.
I have a bit less restrictive set of rules:
- the sea doesn't have to be completely calm. If I can use guns, I can reload torpedoes :DL
- speed no more then ahead slow
- no diving while reloading!
Most of the time I reload during the night. I wonder how realistic is that? :hmmm:
BulSoldier
06-11-09, 04:49 PM
Furthermore IIRC the torpedos stored externally should be only non electric since the electric aals needed maitanance every few days unlike steampowered witch could have gone without this maitanance.
Furthermore IIRC the torpedos stored externally should be only non electric since the electric aals needed maitanance every few days unlike steampowered witch could have gone without this maitanance.
Do you ppl keep only steam torpedos in external reserves?
sharkbit
06-11-09, 07:18 PM
Do you ppl keep only steam torpedos in external reserves?
I do. I've read that somewhere as well. The electrics needed to be serviced every couple of days.
:)
Do you ppl keep only steam torpedos in external reserves?
Yep. And if I am not mistaken, the default set of torpedoes always has the steam torps as externals.
Sailor Steve
06-12-09, 12:53 PM
I do. I've read that somewhere as well. The electrics needed to be serviced every couple of days.
:)
Same here. And I've read that too. Electric torpedoes were never put into external reserve holds.
Jimbuna
06-12-09, 01:38 PM
Electrics were always kept as warm as possible because the batteries were quick to deteriorate.
I have a bit less restrictive set of rules:
- the sea doesn't have to be completely calm. If I can use guns, I can reload torpedoes :DL
- speed no more then ahead slow
- no diving while reloading!
Most of the time I reload during the night. I wonder how realistic is that? :hmmm:
My restriction on the 'dead calm' sea state is there because you are opening a main hatch to the pressure hull at almost water level. You can fire the gun with spray blowing over you, but you wouldn't want a sudden wave to come over the bow with the hatch open.:o
Besides with the number of men on deck and a very heavy weapon swinging about on a jury rigged hoist doesn't sound like something I'd want to try in even a gentle swell.
I would think the men on deck would need all the light they could get for this type of operation. I don't know if it was ever tried at night, but you can still get suprised by a enemy at night even during a full moon and I would want all the warning time possible.
Leandros
06-13-09, 03:50 AM
My restriction on the 'dead calm' sea state is there because you are opening a main hatch to the pressure hull at almost water level. You can fire the gun with spray blowing over you, but you wouldn't want a sudden wave to come over the bow with the hatch open.
I should think there is a flaw in the game when external torpedoes can be downloaded in any weather....?....What do you think...?
Sailor Steve
06-13-09, 04:59 PM
I have a bit less restrictive set of rules:
- the sea doesn't have to be completely calm. If I can use guns, I can reload torpedoes :DL
- speed no more then ahead slow
- no diving while reloading!
Most of the time I reload during the night. I wonder how realistic is that? :hmmm:
Well, a torpedo weighs more than a ton, so any kind of rough weather operation is out of the question. I have heard, but don't remember where, that they wouldn't even attempt to reload internal torpedoes during an attack, because if they were counterattacked a steep enough diving angle could cause the torpedo to break loose from its loading rails and crush some hapless sailor.
Dead calm only for external reloads, and a dead stop to boot.
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