Obama throws our Military and CIA under the bus in front of a Muslim audience

[SUBMAN1]

He just validated Al Qeida's propaganda:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=353923

-S

[SteamWake]

Any wonder why this kind of escapade takes place on the weekend?

Oh forgot to add. Everyones a critic !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXXW3E4sO0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ei%2Dam%2Dbored%2Ecom%2Fbor ed%5Flink%2Ecfm%3Flink%5Fid%3D41082&feature=player_embedded

[Enigma]

You're both morons.

Now for another gin and tonic.....

[Stealth Hunter]

He just validated Al Qeida's propaganda

By admitting we were wrong and did make mistakes?

:nope:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

By admitting we were wrong and did make mistakes?

:nope:

Havent you heard? America never makes mistakes.

[Skybird]

I'm split over the speech, not because he admitted obvious political mistakes of the recent years, but because he glossed over some very substantial cultural differences and made some questionable historical references whose truth could be argued. His quoting from the Quran also was extremely pinpointed, ignoring passages that say very much the opposite of his quotes, or put his quotes into relation and contexts that are expressing the opposite.

He probably accepted to do that in the hope that the intention justifies the means. If that will pay off in the long run instead of boomeranging, remains to be seen. I'm sceptical. I wished he would have made a different speech. I see reason but also plenty of appeasement in it. Meeting Islam from a position of Islam-perceived weakness, never did and never will do any good.

[Frame57]

Yep! They do not respect weakness at all, it will only fuel their agenda IMO. One of the things as a senior NCO you learn to never show weakness to the crew. This bum is CIC and is doing nothing but showing weakness. but i expected nothing less given his socio/political views. It took a Jimmy Carter to give us a Ronald Regan...:nope:

[CastleBravo]

Some time ago I read an article which set forth the premise that Judeo-Christian societies were guilt based, and Muslim societies were shame-based. The upshot was that the two societies percieve apologies quite differently. The guilt based look upon self abasement as a renewal from which mistakes are corrected, while shame based look on the same thing as a further slide into the abiss.

Now again this was some time ago when I read the piece, but that is what I took away from it.

Based on that, it makes me wonder why, with his self proclaimed affinity for Islam, Mr. Obama would continue along this path?

:hmmm:

[SteamWake]

You're both morons.

Now for another gin and tonic.....

So much anger :rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

Yep! They do not respect weakness at all, it will only fuel their agenda IMO. One of the things as a senior NCO you learn to never show weakness to the crew. This bum is CIC and is doing nothing but showing weakness. but i expected nothing less given his socio/political views. It took a Jimmy Carter to give us a Ronald Regan...:nope:

So who's going to be our new Reagan? It seems like there are no good leaders out there at the present time, just politicians.:shifty: If you have the word "senator" on your resume, please don't apply.

[Skybird]

Some time ago I read an article which set forth the premise that Judeo-Christian societies were guilt based, and Muslim societies were shame-based. The upshot was that the two societies percieve apologies quite differently. The guilt based look upon self abasement as a renewal from which mistakes are corrected, while shame based look on the same thing as a further slide into the abiss.

Now again this was some time ago when I read the piece, but that is what I took away from it.


Put in a nutshell, that is true.

It is a very dangerous misperception of us Westerners to think that gestures and habits we are used to in the West necessarily must cause the same social or cultural reaction in the occident. There are no universal values shared by all people, even when thinking of earthly realisations of basic things like searching for happiness and avoiding pain - some strange people eventually see it right the other way around! Even less there is a shared basis in specific cultural and religious values between the West and Islam. After several futile years of trying to see it individually, I tend to generalise now that everybody who claims that Islam and Christianity share the same foundation in values and share the same morals and goals, simply does not know what he/she is talking about, and can come to his indifferentiated views only by ignoring very massively all the details that separate both ideologies so very fundamentally. These differences already start with the historic figures who are seen as being responsible for having caused both ideologies to exist. Jesus and Muhammad, as one concludes on them by the descriptions in the four Gospels and the claimed original quoting that the Quran is understood to be - hardly can be any more different. that it is said that all three major religions root on one and the same Abraham, means almost nothing, and is rated by me as opportunistic rethorics. Judaism is founded on Abraham. Christinaity reformated Judaism twice, and quite fundamentally, from the revenging psychotic and tyrannic Vulcan God of the Thora to the transcendended, mystic one-reality Jesus metaphorically pointed at, and then again the loving, all-forgiving old grandfather of the Protestants after they left their Calvinistic sado-maso-phase behind a bit. On the other hand: Muhammad, a conqueror, slayer, Godfather, slave trader, tyrant and massmurderer who spelled relgious doom on those not following him, and tried to subjugate and dominate foreign powers and internal critics alike by use of war, violence, blackmailing and intimidation.

Loud mocking laughter from me whenever it is claimed that Jesus and Muhammad taught the same message, and their followers were of the same kind.

[CastleBravo]

Guilt works really well on people who want to change their behavior but the feeling of guilt has to be present. Shame on the other hand works for those who don't have the ability to feel guilt. The Judeo-Christian tradition is one of trusting in what Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature". While Islam, as Skybird stated was founded by and often, especially in its early years, dominated by what today we would call criminals of all stripes.

It is not then suprising that in the US the fastest growing religion among our prison population is Islam. Remember no one in prison is ever guilty, either actually or philisophically.

[Platapus]

Which is weaker, making a mistake and admitting it or making a mistake and not admitting it?

The focus should not be on whether we admit mistakes, the focus should be that we try to not make mistakes in the first place.

[CastleBravo]

Which is weaker, making a mistake and admitting it or making a mistake and not admitting it?

The focus should not be on whether we admit mistakes, the focus should be that we try to not make mistakes in the first place.

Well that would of course mean travelling ahead to the future to see how it all works out.

[Schöneboom]

Well, regardless of how BHO's alleged "self-abasement" is perceived by Muslims, I think they will soon realize he's trying to snow them, just like he did the American people. Ignore the words, watch the actions. That's sound advice for all politicians.

Mach's gut,
Wayne

[Tribesman]

His quoting from the Quran also was extremely pinpointed, ignoring passages that say very much the opposite of his quotes
Sounds very much like yourself then:up:

[SteamWake]

What I find curious is Barry's ability to absolutly dodge his 'muslim' background during the elections.

Now its front and center.

A curious thing this media is.

[sunvalleyslim]

What I find curious is Barry's ability to absolutly dodge his 'muslim' background during the elections.

Now its front and center.

A curious thing this media is.

Absolutely right Steamwake..:rock::rock::rock:......they certainly down played it, but now he thinks he's going to use it as an advantage.......The "Man" is trying to charm the world. Unfortunately not everyone wants to be charmed. All they want to do is rid the world of "Infidels".

[Skybird]

What I find curious is Barry's ability to absolutly dodge his 'muslim' background during the elections.

Now its front and center.

A curious thing this media is.

Do we really need to relaunch the conspiracy theory of Obama being a covered Muhammedan just to give him a bad name?

No, we need not.

What he had to say on religion in this famous speech (I urge you to read it in full, it is brilliant even in the few details where I tend to disagree), cannot be said by somebody whose thinking represents Quranic ideology, or orthodox, sectarian Christian cults. It is healthy reason and pragmatism. In a truly Islamic society, he would have risked to get killed for it (and in a couple of extremist Christian circles probably too).

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/28/call_to_renewal_keynote_address.php

and this comment:

http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/barack-obamas-speech-on-religion-in-america/

Americans are looking, Obama said, for a "deeper, fuller conversation about religion in this country." He started that conversation. A few others are joining in. It's time for everyone else to catch up.

[Alert 1]

Welcome to O bummers United Socialist States of America.

I did not vote for the bum nor do not recognize him as my president.

He is a frigging scum bag

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Welcome to O bummers United Socialist States of America.

I did not vote for the bum nor do not recognize him as my president.

He is a frigging scum bag

Its pretty harsh calling someone you've never met a scumbag, dude.

[Skybird]

Post reported.

Having an opinion is one thing. Behaving like this is a very different thing.

[SteamWake]

Post reported.

Having an opinion is one thing. Behaving like this is a very different thing.

LOL you do realize that KP is a mod right? :salute:

[Tchocky]

He doesn't mod GT though.

[Morts]

Welcome to O bummers United Socialist States of America.

I did not vote for the bum nor do not recognize him as my president.

He is a frigging scum bag
must suck to be you, huh

[TDK1044]

Obama is a young president who is less than 6 months into his first term. He's trying to steer an international course that admits mistakes made by previous administrations, while at the same time stating what he believes has to happen in order for us all to avoid future nuclear wars between nations.

With North Korea and Iran advancing in their nuclear weapon technology, he certainly has his work cut out for him.

Well, Barack, you said you could do it when you wrote in! :)

[Kapitan_Phillips]

He doesn't mod GT though.

Nope, thats like being a sheriff in the Old West. :up:

[Skybird]

LOL you do realize that KP is a mod right? :salute:
So am I, but we both have different stations! ;)

[Onkel Neal]

LOL you do realize that KP is a mod right? :salute:


I think Sky was referring to the other poster, not KP.

[SUBMAN1]

Do we really need to relaunch the conspiracy theory of Obama being a covered Muhammedan just to give him a bad name?....

Considering he impressed the Muslims interviewed after the speech with his knowledge of the Quran.... Maybe!

Remember, this is from a guy who has trouble remembering how many states we have in this country. A 2nd grader could correct him.

-S

[Monica Lewinsky]

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/obama_is_the_one.jpg

The Messiah for you [DUMB-a-crats] dude[s] that voted him in.

Look to your God for the answers - another useless Captain Densell.

He has answers for everything except for running out of money.

Another boat anchor -useless.

[August]

I think Sky was referring to the other poster, not KP.

Skybird had no problem calling our former president all sorts of insulting names but he reports a poster for calling Obama a scumbag?

Can we call Skybird a hypocrite?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Considering he impressed the Muslims interviewed after the speech with his knowledge of the Quran.... Maybe!

Remember, this is from a guy who has trouble remembering how many states we have in this country. A 2nd grader could correct him.

-S


Considering the gaffs Bush made, I think he has quite a few to go before coming CLOSE to being compared to him.

[Stealth Hunter]

Welcome to O bummers United Socialist States of America.

What type of Socialist? Just saying he is one isn't good enough. There are different types of Socialists: Social Democrats, Social Utopians, Social Economists, etc.

Wait- isn't he a Communist? No wait, the earlier claim was that he was a Fascist.:rotfl:

Pick one already! You can't be all of them at the same time!

Oh and just so you know, the United States has been technically a Social Democracy since Theodore Roosevelt started his reforms on the economy a hundred years ago. Actually, it's because of the principles of Social Democracies that child labor laws were put into place and workers couldn't be treated like dirt any longer.

I did not vote for the bum nor do not recognize him as my president.

I did not vote for Bush, I was never very happy with Bush, yet I did acknowledge that he was my president, despite the fact my opinion of him was low... very low.

He is a frigging scum bag

A) You don't know him and neither do I.
B) This mess started long before he took office.
C) It's "scumbag"...

[Castout]

He's obviously not my president but from my observation he seems to be the kind of president that most people could be proud of.

[Stealth Hunter]

Havent you heard? America never makes mistakes.

I've strayed from my authoritarian/nationalist mindset.:doh:

[SteamWake]

He's obviously not my president but from my observation he seems to be the kind of president that most people could be proud of.

Wow, why would you say that?

I think you may be mistaking popularity for accomplishments.

[onelifecrisis]

Ugh...

Right, in response to the video in the OP:

One would hope that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is reasonably well informed about what goes on in his country. If he says that people were tortured in that prison, then I reckon people were probably tortured in that prison. I can understand why a president would deny torture that did take place, but a president who admits to turture that did not take place? Come on, wake up people.

[mookiemookie]

Welcome to O bummers United Socialist States of America.

I did not vote for the bum nor do not recognize him as my president.

He is a frigging scum bag

Thank you for that nuanced, well researched and content-filled analysis.