Listen carefully...

[TarJak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YM9Ereg2Zo

Just goes to prove you need to be very careful when putting ads into the paper.

[Letum]

Haha! That video cracks me up every time.




A little off topic, but what do you make of Lysander?

I have only looked at him from the point of view the Athenian's had and he
seams to have not understood how to deal with Athens after the victory,
or at best been somewhat disinterested.

Do you know if he stayed in Athens long? It would seam more typical of a
spartan to go back home as soon as possible.
Why didn't he take a more hard line approach to the subjugation of
Athens, especially after the Battle of Piraeus? Orders from Sparta to stop L.
becoming to powerful??

I'm always tempted to agree with the black picture contemporary
historians paint of him, but I really don't know enough about him.

[TarJak]

From what I have read, and there isn't a lot about that I can find on him, he was not from a wealthy family and it appears no-one now really knows how he came to be a General/Admiral.

I think his founding of shipyards in Ephusus are often overlooked, as this really started a ship building culture that went on for centuries after his death.

He also lobbied Cyrus for better pay for the Saprtan sailors which infact induced a lot of Athenian sailors to defect.

He is remembered in Greece also for installing a government in Athens of the Thirty Tyrants which was in about 404 BC, not long after he came to be granted the governorship. I'm not sure either how long he was there but this period gained him the notoriety for promoting his own and his friends interests over the peoples and so let to widespread dislike for his regieme.

Its hard to say whether history has treated him fairly or not from this distance. I think like all political figures close to the throne of whatever regieme, he had some good points and some bad ones. Which ones get reflected in the histories depends as always on the point of view of the writers of those histories.

Anyway back to the video, I'm glad it raised a smile.:DL