I voted Democrat because

[SUBMAN1]

Oh how this rings true. I don't bother much lately for voting Republican either, but democrats are about 5 x worse and this sums it up pretty good:

-S




I voted Democrat because:
I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
I've decided to marry my horse.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are
obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas
at 15% isn't.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I would.

I voted Democrat because:
Freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody's offended by it.

I voted Democrat because:
When we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what
they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I voted Democrat because:
I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local
police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can
tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if
I don't start driving a Prius.

I voted Democrat because:
I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long
as we keep all death row inmates alive.

I voted Democrat because:
I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care,
education, and Social Security benefits.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for
themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to
the government for redistribution as the democrats see fit.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few
days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas
past the voters.

I voted Democrat because:
My head is so firmly planted up my ass that it's unlikely that I'll
ever have another point of view.

[rubenandthejets]

Wow! I was a little suprised by this.

Good for you for voting Democrat, Subman!

I would have picked you for Republican for sure.
PS Enjoy your honeymoon at the stables.

[baggygreen]

Wow! I was a little suprised by this.

Good for you for voting Democrat, Subman!

I would have picked you for Republican for sure.
PS Enjoy your honeymoon at the stables.there is only one response to this comment...


:har:

[Freiwillige]

I voted Republican Because:
I like to be lied to time and time again.

I voted Republican because:
They are the only ones with enough balls to Invade a soverghn nation under false pretenses and if that fail's we always have 9-11 story to fall back on! (Note:All the 9-11 hijackers and planners were Saudi Arabian but Bush could never invade his buddies)

I voted Republican because:
I love how they stand up for our Sovernty by leaving our border wide open and ignoring the 13+ Million illegals flooding in while pushing more NAFTA agenda.

I Voted Republican because:
The pompus windbag Rush said I should.


The Truth of the matter is that since Reagon (The last good Republican)Repubs are just as douchy as the Dems and the only differance between them is one screws you from the front while the other from the back.

The answer is Independant! Follow the lead of Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and bail from this 2 party system (Since there practically in bed together anyways)

:up: Ron Paul for President before its too late!

[Jimbuna]

I sense a strong debate emerging here :hmmm:

In the UK we have a slightly broader choice....including 'The Monster Raving Looney Party' :DL

[TDK1044]

I think the Democratic strategy of creating an 'assisted living' environment for working class and lower middle class Americans is very clever.

Once people get used to the idea that a small percentage of 'rich people' will effectively pay for them to have a higher standard of living due to various Government programs, it will be very difficult for the Republicans to ever win those people back.

We've entered an era of "Don't I get a stimulus check this year?" And if people are not smart enough to realize that the accumulation of personal wealth should be based on a combination of hard work and a decent intellect, instead of looking for others to pay their way, then Socialism is not far away.

The Obama philosophy: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.......Shame Karl Marx said it first. :)

[SteamWake]

Wheres the

"I wont have to worry about paying my mortgage, I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car"

Thats and actual quote of an Obama voter during the campaign.

[August]

I voted Republican because:
They are the only ones with enough balls to Invade a soverghn nation under false pretenses and if that fail's we always have 9-11 story to fall back on! (Note:All the 9-11 hijackers and planners were Saudi Arabian but Bush could never invade his buddies)Ahem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Resolution

:up: Ron Paul for President before its too late!:wah::har:

[AVGWarhawk]

I think the Democratic strategy of creating an 'assisted living' environment for working class and lower middle class Americans is very clever.

Once people get used to the idea that a small percentage of 'rich people' will effectively pay for them to have a higher standard of living due to various Government programs, it will be very difficult for the Republicans to ever win those people back.

We've entered an era of "Don't I get a stimulus check this year?" And if people are not smart enough to realize that the accumulation of personal wealth should be based on a combination of hard work and a decent intellect, instead of looking for others to pay their way, then Socialism is not far away.


The Obama philosophy: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.......Shame Karl Marx said it first. :)



Very insightful! I have a sister-in-law waiting on a stimulus check that is not forthcoming. My retired parents got a check for $500.00 as a stimulus. However, like most, this will go for medication as medicare sucks. At any rate, my sister-in-law already has this non-existent check spent! Go figure, she is over year behind in her mortgage as well and is waiting on someone to pay for it....:shifty:

[Frame57]

I voted democratic because I believe in punishing the acheiver and rewarding lazy bums who want a handout.

I voted democratic because I am unable to have a vision for my life and must have a government that will make all my choices for me.

I voted democratic because Gitmo is the best place on earth to house terrorist, I would rather have there here in America.

I voted democratic because as a student of history I have seen that every civilization that has willfully given up their rights has gone into slavery or communism and i want that.

I voted democratic because i find that politicians are better at fighting wars rather than the generals.

I voted democratic because I cannot wait for the hyper inflation that we had in the 70's.

I voted democratic because I hate national pride and our heritage and I think the Constitution is just a historical paper that needs to be recycled to save the planet

I voted democratic because fear is our number one motivator that moves the masses. Logic and reason need not apply. See Al Gore for further details.

I voted democratic because I hate religion because of its morality agenda and i want to have sex with anyone anything anytime with no responsibility infringed upon me for my actions.

I voted democratic because I am having a sex change that the government will pay for even though the family next door cannot afford to have cleft palate surgery for their kid, I laugh at them....

I voted democratic because I love open borders and think it is high time we give America back to the Mexicans. We have raped this land long enough.

[CaptainHaplo]

I voted, because I give a damn.

I voted, because to fail to do so means I have no room to complain.

I voted, because its my duty.

I voted, because I educated myself about the candidates.

I voted, because I want to make things better.

I voted, because I see the direction we are heading.

Doesn't matter who I voted for - because both major parties are screwups that have left what the majority of American people feel is the right direction.

Its funny that instead of looking at issues, its more prevalent to make fun of the letter beside someone's name. Democrats are not evil - neither are Republicans. Unfortunately - POLITICIANS from both parties are more concerned with holding power at the expense of the other party, than they are about moving our country forward.

Neither the R's or D's have room to talk on things such as national security, the economy, immigration, etc. One or the other has been screwing those up one way or the other since the end of WW2 at least.

When everyone wants to grow up and realize its not about a letter beside the name - but about the issues that affect you, me and every other American citizen, then we may actually get somewhere. Until then, God help us all, because all your going to get is bickering back and forth as both sides try to convince you that they are on "your side".

Higher taxes and government in your wallet and live is what they want - scream the republicans, trying to capture your vote. Intolerant big business types who want to make you into slave labor - scream the democrats.

When your ready for more than just rhetoric back and forth, let me know, then maybe some real solutions that the people can back will arise.

[nikimcbee]

I sense a strong debate emerging here :hmmm:

In the UK we have a slightly broader choice....including 'The Monster Raving Looney Party' :DL

Pull up a chair, here's some popcorn:yeah:.

[nikimcbee]

I voted democrat, but when I read the fine print it said: " may include parts of communism, socialism, and other hardcore lefty by-products. Some patients have reported heavy bleeding from the wallet, loss of civil liberties, morning after nausea, and bloating of the government. Effects are not reversible."

[mookiemookie]

I voted democratic because fear is our number one motivator that moves the masses. Logic and reason need not apply.

:rotfl:

http://www.imagebot.org/images/articles/posters/9456.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I voted democrat, but when I read the fine print it said: " may include parts of communism, socialism, and other hardcore lefty by-products. Some patients have reported heavy bleeding from the wallet, loss of civil liberties, morning after nausea, and bloating of the government. Effects are not reversible."

:har:


The fine print!

[Highbury]

I voted Republican because:
I love how they stand up for our Sovernty by leaving our border wide open and ignoring the 13+ Million illegals flooding in while pushing more NAFTA agenda.

I am fortunate enough to be able to claim that I live in the Vancouver area of Canada, and Sand Diego CA. IMO the two nicest cities in two of the best countries to live in. Due to this I cross the border often. Several times a year. I have to ask myself if you do often, or at all, if you claim it is wide open.... I assure you it isn't.

You are probably one of those people who says Canada let the terrorists in... funny part in that is.. Canada Customs does not screen the people entering the US... US Customs agencies do... how did Canada let them in??

[Freiwillige]

I am fortunate enough to be able to claim that I live in the Vancouver area of Canada, and Sand Diego CA. IMO the two nicest cities in two of the best countries to live in. Due to this I cross the border often. Several times a year. I have to ask myself if you do often, or at all, if you claim it is wide open.... I assure you it isn't.

You are probably one of those people who says Canada let the terrorists in... funny part in that is.. Canada Customs does not screen the people entering the US... US Customs agencies do... how did Canada let them in??

I live in Phoenix, Arizona. It is estimated that over 1/3 of the hispanic population is here illegally. They cross our borders by the thousands daily and if they are caught they get deported only to turn around and come right back its that easy! Just about everything is written in Spanish and English now despite the voters voting English only many times. The buisnesses and government ignore it. You hear as much Spanish as English in the grocery and a great majority of them do not speak a lick of English.

Its no longer assimilation. Our Schools teach in Spanish so we dont inconveniance them into learning English.

The U.S. calls it immigration, Any other sane nation would call it Invasion!

[AVGWarhawk]

I am fortunate enough to be able to claim that I live in the Vancouver area of Canada, and Sand Diego CA. IMO the two nicest cities in two of the best countries to live in. Due to this I cross the border often. Several times a year. I have to ask myself if you do often, or at all, if you claim it is wide open.... I assure you it isn't.

You are probably one of those people who says Canada let the terrorists in... funny part in that is.. Canada Customs does not screen the people entering the US... US Customs agencies do... how did Canada let them in??

I think he is refering to illegals from Mexico...not terrorist that might or might not have filtered into the US via Canada:hmmm:

[Highbury]

lol, well my place in San Diego is not far from TJ.. that border is not any easier to cross (legally). It is just that you don't have millions of Canadians trying to sneak in from the North.. the Southern border really is more "defended" between checkpoints. It is like water leaking through a dam, throw thousands or millions of Mexicans at the border looking for a way through and and they will find the cracks!

[Platapus]

I think it is OK that Subman1 voted democrat but I don't like the idea of him wanting to marry his horse.

That is weird :nope:

[Platapus]

(Note:All the 9-11 hijackers and planners were Saudi Arabian but Bush could never invade his buddies)

Just as a point of history, this statement is not accurate.

Of the 19 hijackers:

Mohamed Atta al Sayed was Egyptian.

Marwan al-Shehhi and Fayez Banihammad were from the United Arab Emirates

Ziad Jarrah was from Lebanon.

The other 15 were from Saudi Arabia.

However, you are quite correct in that none of them were Iraqi :up:

[Kapt Z]

Wow! I was a little suprised by this.

Good for you for voting Democrat, Subman!

I would have picked you for Republican for sure.
PS Enjoy your honeymoon at the stables.

Just when you think you know someone......

I think I need some smelling salts.:doh::haha:

[Enigma]

Wheres the

"I wont have to worry about paying my mortgage, I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car"

Thats and actual quote of an Obama voter during the campaign. Actual quotes from McCain voters.

"I can't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's not, he's not uh — he's an Arab. "
Barack Obama is the antichrist."He reminds me of Hitler"Oh, and the former republican President and, especially, the GOP's most recent gem of a pick for VP have said some pretty stupid things too. So, my point, Steamwake, is....whats your friggin point?

Cherry picker. :arrgh!:

[mookiemookie]

Actual quotes from McCain voters.

Oh, and the former republican President and, especially, the GOP's most recent gem of a pick for VP have said some pretty stupid things too. So, my point, Steamwake, is....whats your friggin point?

Cherry picker. :arrgh!:

My favorite was the "terrorist fist jab" comment. :rotfl:

[PeriscopeDepth]

"The whole history of the country has been a history of melodramatic pursuits of horrendous monsters, most of them imaginary: the red-coats, the Hessians, the monocrats, again the red-coats, the Bank, the Catholics, Simon Legree, the Slave Power, Jeff Davis, Mormonism, Wall Street, the rum demon, John Bull, the hell hounds of plutocracy, the trusts, General Weyler, Pancho Villa, German spies, hyphenates, the Kaiser, Bolshevism... A complete chronicle of the Republic could be written in terms of it without omitting a single important episode... plain people, under democracy, never vote FOR anything, but always AGAINST something."

HL Mencken's Notes on Democracy
1926

A thoroughly amusing read, BTW. Each side really does believe the the other will bring the apocalypse.

PD

[Kapitan_Phillips]

http://joshhuckabee.com/files/funny-pictures-horse-in-car.jpg


All the best for the happy couple :up:

[Jimbuna]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3925/75601835.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=75601835.jpg)

You may now kiss the bride :o

[nikimcbee]

This poster is straight of subman's wall.
http://www.bilerico.com/2007/07/HillaryClinton.jpg

[August]

http://blogs.sltrib.com/slcrawler/uploaded_images/dukakis-tank-717905.jpg

[SUBMAN1]

You guys crack me up! :haha:

Some of the comments here are classic.

-S

[AngusJS]

I voted Democrat because:
I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
I've decided to marry my horse.

Yeah, because animals can give consent.


I voted Democrat because:
I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local
police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.No, it's because you're too irresponsible to have a gun. The more guns there are, the more people will die. Harmless scuffles turn into murder when one party is stupid/drunk/angry and armed.

"If everyone is packing, massacres will be prevented." Or maybe they'll be even more common, as the likelihood that the next loon to snap will be armed is that much greater.

Somehow, other Western countries do just fine without citizenry armed to the teeth.

I voted Democrat because:
I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can
tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if
I don't start driving a Prius.Dumb scientists! What do they know?

I voted Democrat because:
I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long
as we keep all death row inmates alive.Ever read The Innocent Man? Sometimes, innocent people are sent to death row. It appears that some of them have been executed. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0412090169dec09,0,4934450.story?page=1) Do you care if innocent people are executed or not?

Again, all other Western countries somehow manage without the death penalty. Only in beacons of enlightenment like Texas is it the sole barrier between civilization and anarchy.

[SUBMAN1]

Yeah, because animals can give consent.

No, it's because you're too irresponsible to have a gun. The more guns there are, the more people will die. Harmless scuffles turn into murder when one party is stupid/drunk/angry and armed.

"If everyone is packing, massacres will be prevented." Or maybe they'll be even more common, as the likelihood that the next loon to snap will be armed is that much greater.

Somehow, other Western countries do just fine without citizenry armed to the teeth.

Dumb scientists! What do they know?

Ever read The Innocent Man? Sometimes, innocent people are sent to death row. It appears that some of them have been executed. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0412090169dec09,0,4934450.story?page=1) Do you care if innocent people are executed or not?

Again, all other Western countries somehow manage without the death penalty. Only in beacons of enlightenment like Texas is it the sole barrier between civilization and anarchy.

A youngster for sure. I easily hit a nerve.

-S

[Kapitan_Phillips]

A youngster for sure. I easily hit a nerve.

-S

I'm young, are you suggesting that means I'm less entitled to an opinion?

[August]

I'm young, are you suggesting that means I'm less entitled to an opinion?

Of course not. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, how could you prevent that? But age certainly is a factor when others consider the value of a persons opinion.

After all a 4 year old may have an opinion on the importance of learning his ABC's but that doesn't mean his parents or teachers should give it any weight.

[Enigma]

After all a 4 year old may have an opinion on the importance of learning his ABC's but that doesn't mean his parents or teachers should give it any weight.

:shifty:Well...hate to point it out, but that clearly isn't the situation here. We all know Kapitan, and we know he isn't 4 years old. He brings some points to the table that merit discussion, but opposes the rank and file views of our house conservatives. Subman, having no response apparenty, chose to belittle him. Of course, your post doesn't reflect one member being belittled by another, it just piles on, using the anaology of a 4 year old, when Kapitan clearly refers to himself.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

:shifty:Well...hate to point it out, but that clearly isn't the situation here. We all know Kapitan, and we know he isn't 4 years old. He brings some points to the table that merit discussion, but opposes the rank and file views of our house conservatives. Subman, having no response apparenty, chose to belittle him. Of course, your post doesn't reflect one member being belittled by another, it just piles on, using the anaology of a 4 year old, when Kapitan clearly refers to himself.


Actually, I was referring to Angus' post, which Subman replied to, but your points still stand ;)

[SUBMAN1]

... Subman, having no response apparenty...

Don't assume anything. Just bidding my time.

-S

[Kapitan_Phillips]

http://www.freshmanandy.org/eyegasm/orig/ooooo.jpg

[AngusJS]

A youngster for sure. I easily hit a nerve.

-S

So rather than engage my points, you make assumptions about my age, about which you are completely ignorant?

Yeah, that's mature. :DL

[August]

That sounds all well and good Enigma but I know far too many youngsters (and to me that means anyone under 30) that get upset when their opinions aren't treated as gospel.

If stating MY opinion is, how did you put it?, is considered "piling on" then that's just too bad. I don't think much of your opinion on most issues either.

[Frame57]

I get a kick out of the opportunity when some old sea hag butts into my business or other and says, "That is just my opinion..." My favorite comeback is, "If I wanted your opinion I would not have flushed it down the toilet this morning":woot:

[Jimbuna]

Well I hope when all is said and done we will all be able to agree on one point at least:

'Opinions are like ar$eholes...everybody has one' :sunny:

[Platapus]

'Opinions are like ar$eholes...everybody has one' :sunny:

If I may modify for accuracy

Opinions are like farts

Every a$$hole has em
They all stink
We would rather you not share em
In polite society they should be surpressed. :know:

[Enigma]

If stating MY opinion is, how did you put it?, is considered "piling on" then that's just too bad. I don't think much of your opinion on most issues either.

There you go, August. Take your ball and go home. :har:

[Jimbuna]

If I may modify for accuracy

Opinions are like farts

Every a$$hole has em
They all stink
We would rather you not share em
In polite society they should be surpressed. :know:

Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[August]

There you go, August. Take your ball and go home. :har:

Actually I took my ball, my other ball, my wife and a bottle of fine Canadian whiskey and drove up to the cabin for the weekend. I'm back now if you care to continue embarrassing yourself.

[Torpex752]

Unfortunately I dont believe that there is difference between the parties any more.

It doesnt matter who we elect....because he who controls the currency, controls the nation. The Federal Reserve (which is about as federal as Fed X) controls our currancy and has no regulation what so ever from congress or the president. They run the nation. :(

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html

Follow the Link, but here are a few things he said which are true to this day.

"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it."

"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lender. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into states to buy votes to control our legislatures; there are those who maintain International propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime.

So dont wonder why our economy is such a mess, why giving banks taxpayer money proves that all politicians are corrupt, and why until we get rid of the FED and return to an honest money system no president will ever make a difference. This is such a mess its not even funny.

I believe that Political parties are intended to keep us the American people at odds with each other, and to argue and fight over issues that really arent going to ever amount to anything. They keep us looking away from the source of the problems.

I can only hope people learn how bad our monetary system is, and start hammering the politicians to get rid of the FED, and any private central bank that is controlled by international bankers. I am doing everything I can on my end.

My Dad always said money is the root of all evil..he was spot on!

Frank

[Platapus]

There is wisdom in what Torpex writes. :yep:

[Aramike]

Unfortunately I dont believe that there is difference between the parties any more.

It doesnt matter who we elect....because he who controls the currency, controls the nation. The Federal Reserve (which is about as federal as Fed X) controls our currancy and has no regulation what so ever from congress or the president. They run the nation. :(

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html

Follow the Link, but here are a few things he said which are true to this day.

"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it."

"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lender. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into states to buy votes to control our legislatures; there are those who maintain International propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime.

So dont wonder why our economy is such a mess, why giving banks taxpayer money proves that all politicians are corrupt, and why until we get rid of the FED and return to an honest money system no president will ever make a difference. This is such a mess its not even funny.

I believe that Political parties are intended to keep us the American people at odds with each other, and to argue and fight over issues that really arent going to ever amount to anything. They keep us looking away from the source of the problems.

I can only hope people learn how bad our monetary system is, and start hammering the politicians to get rid of the FED, and any private central bank that is controlled by international bankers. I am doing everything I can on my end.

My Dad always said money is the root of all evil..he was spot on!

FrankI believe that this is needless alarmism. Indeed, the system is flawed. However, the I need only step outside and walk around my neighborhood to know that the people haven't been bankrupted by the system.

We live in a nation where what we consider to be poverty would be lavish in the 3rd world. We would do well to remember that in spite of any political differences we have.

[Torpex752]

I believe that this is needless alarmism. Indeed, the system is flawed. However, the I need only step outside and walk around my neighborhood to know that the people haven't been bankrupted by the system.

We live in a nation where what we consider to be poverty would be lavish in the 3rd world. We would do well to remember that in spite of any political differences we have.

I agree, but why settel for a system that is flawed and slowly but surely killing the US? Its no mystery that this current financial fiasco was due to the FED's actions, and now the biggest countries are dumping the US Dollar and in the bussiest times of the year, the jobless rate isnt moving.
Not flaming you, or trying to start a panic, but getting rid of the FED would make the US stronger and a much better place to live. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

Did you know that nearly every dollar you pay in Federal Income Tax goes to paying off the National Debt? Did you know that the national debt is debt from us borrowing currency from the FED, but that the FED never issues the interrest on the currency loans? We may not be a third world country, but why wait for the day we are there to solve the problem?

Before Lincolns passing, an article appeared in the London Times regarding his
“Green Back” currency policy. Its truth remains timeless into our day; (note the
recognition that we can eliminate our debt by printing our own currency)
"If this mischievous financial policy which has its origin in North American
during the late war in that country, shall become endurated down to a fixture,
then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts
and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.
It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The
brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must
be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." —
"Hazard Circular", London Times 1865







Our country is being exploited financially, and I see it thats whats destroying our nation, not the issues that you find on the major media stations 99% of the time.
Dont take my word, search and dig and I'll almost guarantee that if you spend 1 hour researching the FED, you will find yourself understanding the United States financial demise. The worst part is that its not over yet. I Hope that every unemployed person in America who hasnt lost the roof over their head yet finds out why they are in the situation they are in and gets pi$$ed and does something like hammer their political leaders to support HR1207 or something.

Frank

[CastleBravo]

I voted Democrat because......did I have a choice?

[Aramike]

I voted Democrat because......did I have a choice?:up:

Good call!

[Aramike]

Torpex, I do not dispute that the Fed is a flawed system. I have studied economics in detail as part of my work, and understand your concerns.

That being said, I must still take issue with the alarmist perspective. We operate under fiat economics - meaning that we are ultimately attempting to balance the nation's production with its influx of goods and services via a highly variable trading base (the dollar). While I do agree that the Fed needs to be reworked, I also believe such a system is neccessary.

Taking a dollar from someone means absolutely nothing, as that dollar is worthless without a standard to base it upon. The Fed creates this standard. This is neccessary because it is pragmatically impossible for millions of people to trade in hard commodities such as gold. You are correct, however - the Fed has certainly taken liberties. However, removing the organization from the private sector would be a mistake, as the government is inherently inefficient. The private sector will always act in what it believes to be its best interest, and that is a good thing.

What many people don't realize is that our economy is a self-correcting mechanism. Let's use tax cuts as an example. Two scenarios: 1 - Cut taxes 10%. 2 - Cut taxes 90%.

Which one do you think most people would be in favor of? Clearly 90%. However, which one would have the most positive impact?

That would be 10%.

Our economy is balanced upon the principle that limited purchasing limits and regulates demand. Should Joe Schmoe gain a substantial amount of money, he may end up purchasing the $15/lb steak instead of the $4/lb ground beef. That makes the steak supply more difficult to maintain thereby causing the price to increase. Before long, Joe finds himself in the same situation as he was previously - sure, he makes more money. Yet, that money has the same value of his previous pay.

The point is that the precise value of the dollar is somewhat irrelevent to the health of our economy (and that value is the Fed's principle means of control). What is relevent is the practical value of our productive output. If we supply something that other nations need, they will buy.

The Fed has limited control over tangible assets. If the price of an apartment goes up 500% while the resulting decrease in demand of said apartment sees a 500% drop, there will be a balance.

The purpose of the Fed is to measure and occassionaly influence - not dictate. What is our output worth? How is it selling? However, the Fed does not control the amount of milk and bread produced. That is what sets the sustainability of our economy.

My problem is when the Obama's of the US expends more resources than is possible...

[Platapus]

Good synopsis of the FED. :yeah:

The question I always ask is that if we "get rid" of the FED, what will we put in its place? We need something.

[Torpex752]

One problem I have is that the FED is privately owned, therfore its primary goal is profit for itself not the people of the US. If what the FED made in profit was placed in "reserve" Medicare, and Social security would be secure and in the green for decades to come. It a known fact that the FED intentionally crashed the stock market in 29, and perpetuated the great depression by retracting the money supply. That control gave the FED more power over the people then the goverment. I agree that we need some system like a Central Bank, we do not need it having private ownership possessing the ability to destroy lives like it did, and like its currently doing.

As`far as the value of the dollar being not relevent, I dont understand that. I presume you are aware that the true definition of inflation is an increased money supply and a recession is a decreased money supply. More money in circulation then is needed devalues the dollar. The amount of currency that needs to be in circulation is simply the amount needed for daily commerce exchange, and increased as the economy grows at a consumer price index of ?%.

A system is needed, however its not as much rocket science as some have been misled into believeing. There are a few countries out there that do not have a private central bank running their currency and they are very well to do. While I will admit I didnt study it in the past, I am involved with it quite heavily now. The FED is a waste of time and tax payer dollars. Simply put we do not need the FEd to issue our currency, if the United States can issue a bond, it can issue a bill.

Our banking system is flawed for the American people. Its regulated by the FED to maximize the growth bubble by allowing and maintaining a fractional reserve system, thereby creating a false economy bubble. The reality is that you cannot have perpetual growth to infinity. The buck will stop at some point, I dont know when, but when does come its not going to be pretty.

I have to disagree though on one major point, I believe the FED has absolute control over all tangible assets. The Great depression and every recession since bears proof that they rule.

We`agree that we need something! I say; (certainly not a perfect plan)
1-Let the Treasury issue the bank notes interst free saving the US Hundreds of Billions and ultimately Trillions!!.
2- Keep the Bank system in place but change the policy to 100% reserve requirement.
3- Eliminate the federal Reserve Act of 1913. (FED..Youre fired!)
4-Annually Every states Governor meets to decide the CPI. Once its set, its set for the year unless a national emergency dictates differently.

The American people do not need the FED issuing their currency with interest, printing our currency when THEY want for their own private financial adventures, swelling our national debt enslaving us and our kids for ever. Look at how families need both parents working and some families even have their teenagers helping with the bills. This is completely due to the FED's ability and power to manipulate the economy, the market and ultimately the worth of everything in the US.

Milton Friedman understood the problem and he pointed directly at the FED. Now I mention him because I know he knows more then me!`LOL