Sweden 'gender-based' abortion legal

[Rockstar]

http://www.thelocal.se/19392/20090512/

Swedish health authorities have ruled that gender-based abortion is not illegal according to current law and can not therefore be stopped, according to a report by Sveriges Television ...

WTF is wrong with you people over there? Don't like what they're getting so you allow the killing of an unborn child because of it's gender?

Don't have laws preventing it? Isn't that a hate crime?

[August]

We do I believe, it's called gender discrimination.

[Dowly]

Wow... that's pretty sick. :hmmm:

[Rilder]

Woman's choice I say, If she wants to have an abortion cause of the babies gender then let her. If she wants to genetically engineer her unborn child into a superhero let her.

Though thinking about it its Sex-based abortion, Gender is a social role imposed by parents.

[Letum]

From the clinic's point of view it isn't a gender based abortion, or at least it is
no different to any other abortion, because they do not take the motive into
account at all so it makes no sense for the clinic to classify abortions by
motive. Only from the mother's point of view is it a gender based abortion.
That leaves the gate open for things far things far more distasteful than
gender based abortions.

Personally, I am strongly against selection of children based on appearance,
gender, lineage etc., but neither do I want to see list of approved motives.
So I am for the Swedish and English system, but very much against this
person's choice.

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[Skybird]

Disgusting.

Members of certain primitive "cultures" from SE Asia and the ME however will be pleased that they can get rid of their daughters that cheap now.

Add to this the related thing that the EU dictate of Lisbon also deliberately legalises pedophilia for cultural reasons. Of course it does not explicitly say so, but it implicitly opened the door for that, and deliberately. The resistance to closing that door in time, also was not by random chance only.

I am not against the principal right of women to abort, however, it certainly is not up to males to decide in their place and subjugate them to their command, but I want to see legal rules that are designed to not make it too easy to abort, and that favour to give women the option to carry out a child and then legally give it away for adoptation. That is much better than "abortion en vogue", however that bears the danger to spread a certain easy-mindedness regarding sexual contacts, and a social relation pattern and contact-behavior that thinks it can egoistically afford to not think about longterm conseqeunces and obligations, but just lives for the day, and fun, of course. And when it becomes difficult: eject. Therapists counceling couples can sing a song of that. - When seing however, how easyminded young people are again with regards to AIDS and contraception, and how sexualised our modern societies and (also, but not only) the youth culture is, I must assume that it does not make a difference anyway.

[SS107.9MHz]

What is the last week at wich is possible to disrupt the pregnancy in Sweden?
I think that through USounds it's only possible to determine reliably the fetus sex at 18 weeks...
Either way, while I understand that it would be a difficult task to the determine if the abortion was made on a gender discrimination, it's still discusting.


Add to this the related thing that the EU dictate of Lisbon also deliberately legalises pedophilia for cultural reasons. Of course it does not explicitly say so, but it implicitly opened the door for that, and deliberately. The resistance to closing that door in time, also was not by random chance only.

Watha?! What's that all about?! WHY haven't I heard of this?

[SS107.9MHz]

Just red the article, what the fudge?! For this reason only the gender of the baby shouldn't be told to the parents until the 20th week, unless it was for a Health reason or something.

[Skybird]

Watha?! What's that all about?! WHY haven't I heard of this?
Rest assured, you're not alone. I am confident enough to promise you that the overwhelming majority of the representatives in your parliament have never ever neither taken the time to read nor to fully understand all the implications of that document. And sometimes they even do not feel ashamed to admit that they have not read it before waving it through in parliament - giving trust undeserved.

I have reported this already one or one and a half year ago, and somebody else just reminded of it on some recent thread again.

There is a reason why several high profile politicians and experts, in germany mostly the former head of state and Bundespräsident Roman Herzog (professional lawyer, expert on constitutional law and ex-president of German's Constitutional High Court before becoming Federal President) attack the Lisbon dicate (which is indeed the former EU treaty under a different titel, but with the same content) so vehemently for hollowing out democracy, massively undermining the sovereignity of national parliaments (who to elect then becomes a farce), deleting basic rights of citizens under coverups, and hollowing out the european canon ob europe's heritage of certain basic cultural values. It also enables the comission - which is not elected by european citizens - to rule in ignoration of the EU parliament (which is usually said to be strengthend, but in fact, it gets minimised) by a system of timely and conditionally unlimited "Notstandsverordnungen" (emergency rules), without criterions defined when to start and when to end such a state of emergency, which means the commission can declare it arbitrarily and live by it as long as it wants.

consequences? The comission sees the parliament opposing one proposal, declares the proposal a vital one, on that basis declare an emergency decree, and by that has bypassed the parliament. That simple! Europeans can feed the parliament with requests as much as they want, it does not matter.

Another consequence: a national government sees parliamentary opposition to it's own proposal, hands it over to the EU, the EU makes it an EU proposal - which by that becomes mandatory to be accepted by national parliaments, without them having a right to hinder it. The sovereignity of the national parliament is killed, and the question of whether or not a EU proposal is in conformity with a national constitution has become obsolete as well. Aleady today, more than 80% of laws formed by parliaments are EU demands that do not get checked and compared to constitutions anymore, and just get woven through.

Add to this insider'S estimation that per one head of EU parliament, there are 50 different heads of lobbyists influencing policy in Brussel. There are 50 times as many lobbyists in Brussel, than there are elected members of parliament. Add to this the lobbyism in the nations at home. Add to this the notorious corruption in the political class itself, it'S shamelessness and opportunistic hunger for power and prestige for the sake of these traits themselves.

Feel imporant when going to elections next time. Your ticket is just a piece of birdsh!t. Actuzally, Guano is more useful than your ticket.

It's also not by random chance that the structure of the document in it's full length (600+ pages, if taking the all-imoortant appendices and addendums into account - and there is where the danger comes from), is so complex and very difficult to fully comprehend. People should not understand it's implications too well. that'S a wanted design feature, not a flaw.

You can get the full thing at the EU wbesite, at least some months ago. Make sure you do get the FULL volume, not just the few pages of basic text. The problems are hidden in the hundreds of pages of special rules, restrictions, exceptions and appendices followijng the oh so well-sounding first 12 or so pages.

Usually I am against burning books, but for some especially damaging books I would make an exception. The main religions's so-called "holy books" and the Lisbon dictate certainly are amongst them.

[SS107.9MHz]

I waas never in favor of this treaty, mainly because the government tried to pass it without any publicscutinee, even thought they promised during the elections they would do a referedum about the matter... The çast few governments in Portugal have been of the most incompetent (and most probably corrupt) of the last 20 years... There has been more cases involving our primeminister in a year than previous governments in over 2 terms... :nope:

[Tribesman]

Add to this the related thing that the EU dictate of Lisbon also deliberately legalises pedophilia for cultural reasons.

As Lisbon is such a pile of crap why do you have to make stuff up about it Skybird?

[Skybird]

What a fantastic question. :dead:

Maybe you should spend some thought on another question: why is Lisbon now almost there?

[Tribesman]

What a fantastic question.
It is isn't it .

Maybe you should spend some thought on another question
No maybe you could answer the question .
So Skybird why do you feel you have to make up b/s when the treaty is crap anyway?

[Letum]

As Lisbon is such a pile of crap why do you have to make stuff up about it Skybird?

The LT dropped a section from the 2004 treaty that excluded pedophiles from
the sexual orientation discrimination rules. The section was dropped because
it was made redundant by other sections of the treaty, but that didn't stop
all kinds of ridiculous rumor, speculation and misinformation spreading about.