New Dambusters movie has a name problem!

[bookworm_020]

The fight to stay true to the story or change to avoid offending the audience!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/film/give-a-dog-a-bad-name-a-producers-conundrum/2009/05/07/1241289313137.html

It's what the dog was called, some people seem to get offended by the slightest thing :doh:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

The fight to stay true to the story or change to avoid offending the audience!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/film/give-a-dog-a-bad-name-a-producers-conundrum/2009/05/07/1241289313137.html

It's what the dog was called, some people seem to get offended by the slightest thing :doh: I wouldn't call the N-word a slight thing to get offened about. In the US the N-word is a racial slur now-a-days(even though it was the US that made that word popular.), and lots of people find the use of this word offencive language.:down:

[breadcatcher101]

Just call the dog "Afro-American".

Great movie BTW.

[AVGWarhawk]

Personally, I do not see why the name of the dog would add or detract from the movie. Just have a dog. Call him Skip or something. Using that word was and is derogatory then and now. Really, why have the dog anyway? Does he fly his own plane:06:

[SteamWake]

Well duh, they just did it to genearate buzz... looks like its workin.

[Max2147]

I think it's best to use another name. It would be unfortunate if the hubbub over the dog's name distracted from what should be a great movie.

[UnderseaLcpl]

How about changing the dog's name to "Cracker" or "Whitey"? I think it would be funny on many levels:DL

[bookworm_020]

Personally, I do not see why the name of the dog would add or detract from the movie. Just have a dog. Call him Skip or something. Using that word was and is derogatory then and now. Really, why have the dog anyway? Does he fly his own plane:06:

The U.S. versions, as stated in the article, were altered so the name was trigger.

The dog is important as it was killed just before the raid and Gibson changed the code word for success to the dog's name as a tribute.

[SteamWake]

How about changing the dog's name to "Cracker" or "Whitey"? I think it would be funny on many levels:DL

I approve :up:

[GoldenRivet]

i say leave it the way it is... i hear "******" and "Cracker" every single day where i live - and never once have i heard it used in the derogatory sense.

strange culture we live in.

you can call your friends the "N word" all day long, every day, 365 days a year then ONE day its going to cause a stir with someone.

however, since the society we live in will utter the phrase daily, however - shun its use on screen - you might as well just name the dog "Niggs" or "Nick" or "Digger"

[TarJak]

I'm with GR on this.

Why not change the name of Guy Gibson to Person Gibson FFS! if one of the objectives is to be historically accurate then why not with the names of all the characters?

I understand that some people may be offended but this doesn't stop movies about WWII including the swastika a symbol which is equally offensive to some people.

Personally other than the PR buzz I don't see the reason for any fuss to be made.

[GoldenRivet]

Whatever you UKers do... dont come to America and buy women's undergarments for your sweet heart from an African American Person.

your going to draw some attention asking for the "knickers" :har:

[Jimbuna]

Well duh, they just did it to genearate buzz... looks like its workin.

More than likely.

The dog was called ****** and so it should remain....I thought this movie was based on fact/a series of true historical events? :hmmm:

[sharkbit]

How about changing the dog's name to "Cracker" or "Whitey"? I think it would be funny on many levels:DL

LOL
:haha::har::haha::har::haha::har::haha::har:

[Dowly]

Oh for f**ks sake! There's dozens and dozens of movies that use the N word in a derogatory sense. Now when a fracking dog is named N- it should be changed? Rrrright..

[longam]

Hang a big gold chain around his neck and call him BLING

[Platapus]

What kind of tool would name a dog that?

Sheeesh :nope:

[Jimbuna]

I hearthe nameplate has been removed from his grave :nope:

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/******_from_dambusters2.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7215/dscf0028u.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0028u.jpg)

[Task Force]

pffff...:shifty: You know how many times I hear that word a day at school... But if the dogs name was cracker, or honkey, or a derogatory name to anouther race. It would be no big deal right. But when the word ****** gets brought up even as a historicaly accurate name it has to be changed. Like Dowly said above, there are plenty of movies that have the word ****** in them.

Why is it that the N word is sutch a big thing when it is said. but when a statement like honkey is brought up. nothing happens. In my opinion it is a load of bull s***. Would we be seeing this if the dogs name was cracker and the owner was black?

[GoldenRivet]

Would we be seeing this if the dogs name was cracker and the owner was black?

no we would not.

:nope:

at school the Black kids used to say "what up white boy?"

finally one day i said "not much... what up with you black boy?"

they were taken back a bit

[Task Force]

yea, and if the name ****** was used the Naacp would freak out. And try to get the movie maker in trouble or boycott them or something.

[UnderseaLcpl]

yea, and if the name ****** was used the Naacp would freak out. And try to get the movie maker in trouble or boycott them or something.

Please don't use that term, I find it offensive.

Just because people say N.A.A.C.P. all the time does not make it acceptable. It implies that people with colored skin need a national effort to "advance" them (perhaps because of their skin color:nope:). I think it is insulting and degrading. Furthermore, the "advancements" they champion typically do not include benefits for "white" people, implying that white is not a color. While that is technically true, it is important to raise public awareness of the fact that "white" people are often more of a peach or beige color, but come in as many different tones as you can imagine. Simply calling them all white is a harmful stereotype. I prefer the term "Could-damn-well-be-from-anywhere-Americans".

Instead of using the N word, consider using the term N.A.P.E.R.R.S.C.N.T.S.C.R.M.O.A., short for National Association for Promotion of Equal Rights Regardless of Skin Color, Not That Skin Color Really Matters Or Anything. It is a much more sensitive term, and everyone can use it without showing disrespect to others. Thanks:up:

[OneToughHerring]

I'm not sure what to think. Yes, it's probably a marketing ploy, and a good one.

On the one hand there should be respect to historical accuracy. Racism existed, dammit. People said all kinds of rude things. I fear that one day there will be 'slavery denial' or something because words etc. that remind of that time have been eradicated.

On the other hand there is no reason to promote racism in the here and now. Movies of this type, even if they aspire some kind of historical accuracy, are usually just stupid, retroesque romps with action and things going boom. Movies like this aren't really meant to teach people about history as much as entertain the popcorn-zombies.

If one hate crime can be prevented by not using the N-word in this movie, I say don't use it.

[Aramike]

Just because people say N.A.A.C.P. all the time does not make it acceptable. It implies that people with colored skin need a national effort to "advance" them (perhaps because of their skin color:nope:). I agree.

The NAACP is a prime example of "acceptable racism". Such organizations and Affirmative Action, are largely responsible for race still being an issue in America. People still look at and categorize people by race, gender, etc., but the government and such organizations TELL them to.

[sharkbit]

Since when does Hollywood care about historical accuracy anyway?:06:

The whole brouhaha is great publicity to get the movie's name out there without paying a dime for the advertisement. I never knew Peter Jackson was making a remake of it.
:)

[kiwi_2005]

Just listen to any gangsta rap guaranteed the N word is mention over and over in their lyrics.

Haven't read the OP articule but on another note while Peter Jackson is filming here some locals are upset that they are not allowed to park anywhere near the filming.... Well Hello last thing they would want is some noob going crazy with his camera then selling his pictures to a magazine :roll:

I just hope PJ Dambusters sticks to the real story.

[bookworm_020]

I just hope PJ Dambusters sticks to the real story.

If they insert a romance in to the movie, like the heroes of Telemark, I will be very upset!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heroes_of_Telemark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage

[OneToughHerring]

Just listen to any gangsta rap guaranteed the N word is mention over and over in their lyrics.

From what I know less and less rappers put it on their records anymore. Sure you'll find it on older records but not so much on newer ones.