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Onkel Neal
05-05-09, 10:39 PM
Ok, easy question, and you guys who always tell us "I predicted this..." better make a guess or you forfeit your prophet certificate.

Who will Obama nominate for Supreme Court Justice to replace David Souter?

You can click multiple items, so feel free to pick a combination, like White Male, or Hispanic Female, or Asian Male Gay, etc.

Please, don't make nonsense picks, like Male Female White Black Eskimo ....

SUBSIM Battle Mug to the person who gets closest (if more than one, a winner will be chosen at random).

Onkel Neal
05-05-09, 10:49 PM
Jason, for gods sake, don't screw up the poll! :doh:

nikimcbee
05-05-09, 10:52 PM
I picked all except for the last 2. I think Obama, should pick me; I've gots lotsa minority in me:

short, hobbit, pudgy, semi-blind, diabetic, russian speaking, likes abba (oops, did I type that), never won a superbowl:damn:

what did i miss?

I have had grand jury duty.

Stealth Hunter
05-05-09, 10:54 PM
I voted for Pat Buchanan...

Just because he's got the name "Buchanan".

But seriously, I have no idea who he'll replace Souter with.

nikimcbee
05-05-09, 10:57 PM
Jason, for gods sake, don't screw up the poll! :doh:

He's looking for the "ultimate" minority. I don't know about the hermaphridite part though. He'll probably need to spend some time in San Fransick-o for that aspect.


...or he'll pick one of his buds from from chicago; blago?

Zachstar
05-06-09, 12:38 AM
The only one I am quite sure on is it will be a woman.

Obama is not going to rattle the PUMA cages more by going for another male on the supreme court.

Gay? A possibility because there is enough time for people to get to know before 2012 but its risky and I dont expect Obama to take risks.

Stealth Hunter
05-06-09, 12:45 AM
Out of curiosity, why wasn't Cthulhu an option? Why settle for a lesser evil?:D

Aramike
05-06-09, 04:45 AM
I chose a hispanic female, although a black male isn't out of the question.

As an aside, isn't it sick how someone's gender and heritage seems at least equally (if not more) important than their qualifications in this matter?

Anyone ever wonder why racism and misogynism is still commonplace?

This is your answer.

SteamWake
05-06-09, 08:23 AM
Hispanic, Female, liberal.

Sonia Sotomayor

August
05-06-09, 09:24 AM
Why not an Asian? We ain't had one of those folks on the SC yet...

August
05-06-09, 09:25 AM
I chose a hispanic female, although a black male isn't out of the question.

As an aside, isn't it sick how someone's gender and heritage seems at least equally (if not more) important than their qualifications in this matter?

Anyone ever wonder why racism and misogynism is still commonplace?

This is your answer.


Ya hit the nail on the head there Aramike... The Dems are way more concerned about race than the Republicans have ever been. They always have going back to the Civil war.

UnderseaLcpl
05-06-09, 09:44 AM
Hispanic, Female, liberal.

Sonia Sotomayor

I concur.

AVGWarhawk
05-06-09, 10:03 AM
I believe he will select an openly gay individual. He needs the gay vote in 4 years. He lost those in the past election and specifically in CA. After all, he did believe marriage was between a man and a women(by definition). That did not bode well in the gay community. Good thing he was not up for the Miss America Competition:O:

SteamWake
05-06-09, 10:21 AM
"Needs the gay vote"

Son pay attention he already has this vote, he dosent need to pander to them.

Oh I almost forgot, Neal you left out "Tax cheat" in your poll. :salute:

Well there does seem to be a certain pattern there you must admit.

AVGWarhawk
05-06-09, 10:35 AM
"Needs the gay vote"

Son pay attention he already has this vote, he dosent need to pander to them.

Oh I almost forgot, Neal you left out "Tax cheat" in your poll. :salute:

Well there does seem to be a certain pattern there you must admit.

By George, your right. Last I heard he was not getting much support from the gay community. No matter, I still believe the selection will be a gay individual.

Zachstar
05-06-09, 01:25 PM
He is not because of the lack of support he gave to the no on 8 movement.

However, I think it matters little as state by state they are gaining the right to marry and every year it becomes more taboo to be homophobic.

Matter of fact now that I think about it. An openly gay member may do more harm than good in that case. The cause for equality is one of time and patience.

AVGWarhawk
05-06-09, 03:06 PM
However, I think it matters little as state by state they are gaining the right to marry and every year it becomes more taboo to be homophobic.


Taboo or not, the state by state law to allow marriage will not change the minds of those that are "homophobic". Is there such a word as heterophobic? :hmmm:

SteamWake
05-26-09, 09:43 AM
Hispanic, Female, liberal.

Sonia Sotomayor


Told ya !!! :yeah:

Platapus
05-26-09, 10:02 AM
She could just be a throw away nominee for the GoP dogs to rip apart. Once they get tired, perhaps the real nominee will be put up?

Interesting that she was first nominated by Papa Bush.

Sotomayor's resume, record on notable cases

• Age 54 (Born June 25, 1954, New York City)

Judicial Career

• U.S. Appeals Court judge, 2nd Circuit, 1998-present

• U.S. District Court judge, 1992-1998

• Nominated to federal bench by Bush in 1991, Clinton in 1997

Government/Legal Career

• Former N.Y. County Assistant District Attorney, 1979-1984

• Former private practice attorney, Pavia & Harcourt, New York, 1984-1992

Politics

• Confirmed by Senate 67-29 in 1998

• Confirmation to current seat took over 1 year

• Was opposed by majority of GOP senators

• Was unopposed in 1991 confirmation process

Historic Milestones If Nominated

• Would be first Hispanic Supreme Court justice

• Would be third female Supreme Court Justice (second on current Court)

Education

• J.D., Yale Law School, 1979

• B.A., Princeton, 1976 (summa cum laude)

Academic Positions

• Adjunct Professor, New York University School of Law since 1998; lecturer-in-law, Columbia Law School, since 1999

Professional Associations

• American Bar Association

• Puerto Rican Bar Association

• Hispanic National Bar Association

• Association of Judges of Hispanic Heritage

• New York Women's Bar Association

Judicial Committees & Activities

• Former Member, Second Circuit Task Force on Gender, Racial and Ethnic Fairness in the Courts

Other Activities

Former member, Board of Directors, New York City Campaign Finance Board; Former member, Board of Directors, State of New York Mortgage Agency; Former member, Board of Directors, Puerto Rican Legal Defense & Education Fund; Former member, Board of Directors, Maternity Center Association; Former member, New York City Campaign Public Finance Board (Mayor's Appointee); Former member, Board of Directors, State of New York Mortgage Agency (Governor's Appointee)

Honors & Awards

Herbert L. Lehman College, Degree of Law Honoris Causa, 1999; Brooklyn Law School Degree of Juris Doctor Honoris Causa, 2001; Princeton University, Degree of Juris Doctor Honoris Causa, 2001;

Publications

Statehood and the Equal Footing Doctrine: The Case for Puerto Rican Seabed Rights, 88 Yale Law Journal 825 (1979); Sonia Sotomayor & Nicole A. Gordon, Returning Majesty to the Law and Politics: A Modern Approach, 30 Suffolk U.L. Rev. 35 (1996)

Possible Controversial Positions and Statements

• Wrote the 2008 opinion supporting the City of New Haven's decision to throw out the results of a firefighter promotion exam because almost no minorities qualified for promotions. The Supreme Court heard the case in April 2009 and a final opinion is pending.

• Sided with environmentalists in a 2007 case that would have allowed the EPA to consider the cost-effectiveness of protecting fish and aquatic life in rivers and lakes located near power plants. Was overturned by the Supreme Court.

• Supported the right to sue national investment firms in state court, rather than in federal court. Was overturned unanimously by the Supreme Court.

• Ruled that a federal law allowing lawsuits against individual federal government officers and agents for constitutional rights violations also extends to private corporations working on behalf of the federal government. Was overturned by the Supreme Court.

• Sotomayor was first appointed to the federal bench in 1991 by a Republican President, George Bush, but it was a Democrat, Sen. Patrick Moynihan, who recommended her to Bush.

• In a 2005 panel discussion at Duke University, Sotomayor told students that the federal Court of Appeals is where "policy is made." She and other panelists had been asked by a student to describe the differences between clerking in the District Court versus in the Circuit Court of Appeals. Sotomayor said that traditionally, those interested in academia, policy, and public interest law tend to seek circuit court clerkships. She said, "All of the legal defense funds out there, they're looking for people with Court of Appeals experience. Because it is -- Court of Appeals is where policy is made. And I know, and I know, that this is on tape, and I should never say that. Because we don't 'make law,' I know. [audience laughter] Okay, I know. I know. I'm not promoting it, and I'm not advocating it. I'm, you know. [audience laughter] Having said that, the Court of Appeals is where, before the Supreme Court makes the final decision, the law is percolating. Its interpretation, its application." [Duke University School of Law, 2/25/2005, 43:19, http://realserver.law.duke.edu/ramgen/spring05/lawschool/02252005clerk.rm]

• At a 2001 U.C. Berkeley symposium marking the 40th anniversary of the first Latino named to the federal district court, Sotomayor said that the gender and ethnicity of judges does and should affect their judicial decision-making. From her speech:

"I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women or men of color we do a disservice both to the law and society....

"I further accept that our experiences as women and people of color affect our decisions. The aspiration to impartiality is just that - it's an aspiration because it denies the fact that we are by our experiences making different choices than others....

"Our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor [Martha] Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." [U.C. Berkeley School of Law, 10/26/2001]

Cases Reviewed by the Supreme Court

• Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008) -- decision pending as of 5/26/2009

• Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007) -- reversed 6-3 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg)

• Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006) -- upheld, but reasoning was unanimously faulted

• Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005) -- reversed 8-0

• Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005) -- reversed 5-4 (Dissenting: Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, Alito)

• Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000) -- reversed 5-4 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer)

• Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997) -- reversed 7-2 (Dissenting: Stevens, Breyer)

• Affirmative Action (New Haven firefighter case): Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel that ruled in February 2008 to uphold a lower court decision supporting the City of New Haven's decision to throw out the results of an exam to determine promotions within the city's fire department. Only one Hispanic and no African-American firefighters qualified for promotion based on the exam; the City subsequently decided not to certify the results and issued no promotions. In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority to deny a rehearing of the case by the full court. The Supreme Court agreed to review the case and heard oral arguments in April 2009. Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008)

• Environment (Protection of fish at power plants): Sotomayor, writing for a three-judge panel, ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency may not engage in a cost-benefit analysis in implementing a rule that the "best technology available" must be used to limit the environmental impact of power plants on nearby aquatic life. The case involved power plants that draw water from lakes and rivers for cooling purposes, killing various fish and aquatic organisms in the process. Sotomayor ruled that the "best technology" regulation did not allow the EPA to weigh the cost of implementing the technology against the overall environmental benefit when issuing its rules. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 6-3 decision, saying that Sotomayor's interpretation of the "best technology" rule was too narrow. Justices Stevens, Souter, and Ginsburg dissented, siding with Sotomayor's position. Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007)

• Taxes (Deductability of trust fees): In 2006, Sotomayor upheld a lower tax court ruling that certain types of fees paid by a trust are only partly tax deductable. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's decision but unanimously rejected the reasoning she adopted, saying that her approach "flies in the face of the statutory language." Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006)

• Finance (Rights of investors to sue firms in state court): In a 2005 ruling, Sotomayor overturned a lower court decision and allowed investors to bring certain types of fraud lawsuits against investment firms in state court rather than in federal court. The lower court had agreed with the defendant Merrill Lynch's argument that the suits were invalid because the Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act of 1998 required that such suits be brought only in federal court. The Supreme Court unanimously overturned Sotomayor's ruling in an 8-0 decision, saying that the federal interest in overseeing securities market cases prevails, and that doing otherwise could give rise to "wasteful, duplicative litigation." Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005)

• Health Insurance (Reimbursement of insurance benefits): In 2005, Sotomayor ruled against a health insurance company that sued the estate of a deceased federal employee who received $157,000 in insurance benefits as the result of an injury. The wife of the federal employee had won $3.2 million in a separate lawsuit from those whom she claimed caused her husband's injuries. The health insurance company sued for reimbursement of the benefits paid to the federal employee, saying that a provision in the federal insurance plan requires paid benefits to be reimbursed when the beneficiary is compensated for an injury by a third party. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 opinion. Justices Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, and Alito dissented. Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005)

• Civil Rights (Right to sue federal government and its agents): Sotomayor, writing for the court in 2000, supported the right of an individual to sue a private corporation working on behalf of the federal government for alleged violations of that individual's constitutional rights. Reversing a lower court decision, Sotomayor found that an existing law, known as "Bivens," which allows suits against individuals working for the federal government for constitutional rights violations, could be applied to the case of a former prisoner seeking to sue the private company operating the federal halfway house facility in which he resided. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 decision, saying that the Bivens law could not be expanded to cover private entities working on behalf of the federal government. Justices Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer dissented, siding with Sotomayor's original ruling. Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000)

• Intellectual Property (Distribution of freelance material): As a district court judge in 1997, Sotomayor heard a case brought by a group of freelance journalists who asserted that various news organizations, including the New York Times, violated copyright laws by reproducing the freelancers' work on electronic databases and archives such as "Lexis/Nexis" without first obtaining their permission. Sotomayor ruled against the freelancers and said that publishers were within their rights as outlined by the 1976 Copyright Act. The appellate court reversed Sotomayor's decision, siding with the freelancers, and the Supreme Court upheld the appellate decision (therefore rejecting Sotomayor's original ruling). Justices Stevens and Breyer dissented, taking Sotomayor's position. Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997)

Other Notable Cases

• Abortion (Mexico City policy): Sotomayor ruled against an abortion rights group in its challenge to the so-called "Mexico City Policy," which states that nations that receive U.S. funds may neither perform nor promote abortions. The abortion rights advocates alleged that the policy violated their First Amendment, due process, and equal protection rights. Sotomayor upheld a lower court ruling dismissing the case, saying that the group's First Amendment rights had not been violated and that it had not been denied due process. On the equal protection claim, Sotomayor wrote, "The Supreme Court has made clear that the government is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds." Sotomayor did not address the underlying abortion issue. Center for Reproductive Law and Policy vs. Bush, 304 F.3d 183 (2002)

• Major League Baseball Strike: As a district court judge, Sotomayor issued an injunction against team owners for alleged violations of the National Labor Relations Act during collective bargaining negotiations with the MLB players association. The owners had sought to end the system of free agency and salary arbitration and imposed a lock-out against players as negotiations began to break down. The ruling ended the longest baseball strike in history. National Labor Relations Board vs. Major League Baseball, 880 F. Supp. 246 (1995)

Platapus
05-26-09, 10:16 AM
Ut oh, now we know it will get real dirty

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A Republican National Committee official tells CNN the party will strike a "fair" tone towards federal appeals judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama's pick to fill Justice David Souter's seat on the Supreme Court.

"The Republicans are going to strike a tone that's fair, that allows the vetting process to happen like it should, and that's in stark contrast to how the Democrats dealt with Judge Roberts when you look back a couple years ago," the official said.

When ever a political party (any political party) says it will act fairly, get your bullet proof vest on quick!!!

August
05-26-09, 10:40 AM
"homophobic"

The implication of that term being that if you oppose gay marriage, gay adoption, gay anything you have some kind of mental problem.

AVGWarhawk
05-26-09, 10:47 AM
The implication of that term being that if you oppose gay marriage, gay adoption, gay anything you have some kind of mental problem.

I'm fully aware of the definition:03: Heterphobic...is there such 'condition' or term:hmmm:

SteamWake
05-26-09, 11:22 AM
Ut oh, now we know it will get real dirty



When ever a political party (any political party) says it will act fairly, get your bullet proof vest on quick!!!

Let me put it this way. They have nothing to gain by 'going negative' on this for a couple of reasons.

First they dont want to appear to be obstructionists as the democrats were.

Secondly they dont really have the ability to block this confirmation in the first place so why look an ass?

It will be interesting to watch the vetting process as I said way back at the beginning of this thread. Although my 'gut' tells me this is a done deal.

geetrue
05-26-09, 11:25 AM
Sonia Sotomayor won :yeah:

She looks good to me, but first the GOP will have to check her out to make sure she's not a gay commie sleeper cell inserted by an unkown terroist group.


Text of Sonia Sotomayor's remarks on Tuesday after President Barack Obama announced her nomination to the Supreme Court, as transcribed by CQ Transcriptions. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZJQu1IgIB1qznbDtUVPsfVYE9kgD98E0EV00 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZJQu1IgIB1qznbDtUVPsfVYE9kgD98E0EV00)


SOTOMAYOR: I was just counseled not to be nervous.
That's almost impossible.
Thank you, Mr. President, for the most humbling honor of my life. You have nominated me to serve on the country's highest court, and I am deeply moved.
I could not, in the few minutes I have today, mention the names of the many friends and family who have guided and supported me throughout my life, and who have been instrumental in helping me realize my dreams.
I see many of those faces in this room. Each of you, whom I love deeply, will know that my heart today is bursting with gratitude for all you have done for me.
The president has said to you that I bring my family. In the audience is my brother, Juan Sotomayor — he's a physician in Syracuse, New York; my sister-in-law, Tracey; my niece, Kylie — she looks like me. My twin nephews, Conner and Corey.
I stand on the shoulders of countless people, yet there is one extraordinary person who is my life aspiration. That person is my mother, Celina Sotomayor.
My mother has devoted her life to my brother and me. And as the president mentioned, she worked often two jobs to help support us after dad died. I have often said that I am all I am because of her, and I am only half the woman she is.
Sitting next to her is Omar Lopez, my mom's husband and a man whom I have grown to adore. I thank you for all that you have given me and continue to give me. I love you.
I chose to be a lawyer and ultimately a judge because I find endless challenge in the complexities of the law. I firmly believe in the rule of law as the foundation for all of our basic rights.
For as long as I can remember, I have been inspired by the achievement of our founding fathers. They set forth principles that have endured for than more two centuries. Those principles are as meaningful and relevant in each generation as the generation before.
It would be a profound privilege for me to play a role in applying those principles to the questions and controversies we face today.
Although I grew up in very modest and challenging circumstances, I consider my life to be immeasurably rich. I was raised in a Bronx public housing project, but studied at two of the nation's finest universities.
I did work as an assistant district attorney, prosecuting violent crimes that devastate our communities. But then I joined a private law firm and worked with international corporations doing business in the United States.
I have had the privilege of serving as a federal district court trial judge, and am now serving as a federal appellate circuit court judge.
This wealth of experiences, personal and professional, have helped me appreciate the variety of perspectives that present themselves in every case that I hear. It has helped me to understand, respect and respond to the concerns and arguments of all litigants who appear before me, as well as to the views of my colleagues on the bench.
I strive never to forget the real world consequences of my decisions on individuals, businesses and government.
It is a daunting feeling to be here. Eleven years ago, during my confirmation process for appointment to the Second Circuit, I was given a private tour of the White House. It was an overwhelming experience for a kid from the South Bronx.
Yet, never in my wildest childhood imaginings did I ever envision that moment, let alone did I ever dream that I would live this moment.
Mr. President, I greatly appreciate the honor you are giving me, and I look forward to working with the Senate in the confirmation process. I hope that as the Senate and American people learn more about me, they will see that I am an ordinary person who has been blessed with extraordinary opportunities and experiences. Today is one of those experiences.
Thank you again, sir.

Platapus
05-26-09, 11:49 AM
Secondly they dont really have the ability to block this confirmation in the first place so why look an ass?



That only applies if 100% of sitting Democratic Senators all vote the same way. The chances of that happening are pretty slim.

This is why all the hub-bub about the magic 60 members is really unimportant.

As the past five months have demonstrated, the Democratic Senate aint no rubber stamp Senate when it comes to President Obama.

Which is a good thing :up:

AVGWarhawk
05-26-09, 11:58 AM
I think she will be just fine....has she paid her taxes:hmmm:

CastleBravo
05-26-09, 12:46 PM
This alone is enough to disqualify her in my opinion. She seems to have not read the US Constitution either.

Judge Sonia Sotomayor: Court is Where Policy is Made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfC99LrrM2Q

SteamWake
05-26-09, 12:52 PM
That only applies if 100% of sitting Democratic Senators all vote the same way. The chances of that happening are pretty slim.

This is why all the hub-bub about the magic 60 members is really unimportant.

As the past five months have demonstrated, the Democratic Senate aint no rubber stamp Senate when it comes to President Obama.

Which is a good thing :up:

LOL the rubber stamp will come out when it is politically expediant. This is one of those cases. Just you wait and see.

Platapus
05-26-09, 01:18 PM
This alone is enough to disqualify her in my opinion. She seems to have not read the US Constitution either.

Judge Sonia Sotomayor: Court is Where Policy is Made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfC99LrrM2Q

Sounded like she was just acknowledging the reality of the situation.

Any time there is a judicial interpretation of a law, there is policy set.

Anytime the court promulgates that a law is or is not constitutional, judicial policy is made.. Judicial policy, not legislative policy. When critics say that the courts should not legislate from the bench, they are correct, however seldom do courts do this. They do, however, set judicial policy from the bench... in fact, that is what they are supposed to do.

This is why the SCOTUS is populated with justices and not simply constitutional scholars.

If all the SCOTUS was supposed to do is read the constitution there would be no need for justices. The job could be better handled by constitutional scholars and historians.

The job of the SCOTUS is to interpret the constitution with regards to other laws, precedents, our changing cultures and probably a hundred other factors.

This is also one of the reasons the SCOTUS is able to set judicial precedent and the fact that their precedents carry much more weight than lower court precedents. A precedent is an interpretation. An official interpretation in fact.

There is much more to being a SCOTUS justice then just being able to read the constitution. It requires the ability to interpret the constitution. This is why there are multiple justices and decisions require a majority vote.... different justices have different interpretations.

And this is a good thing.

Onkel Neal
06-02-09, 10:32 PM
So, it appears the following people called it:

Aramike, baggygreen, JALU3, magic452, Neal Stevens, SteamWake, UnderseaLcpl

Just ask us if you need any political forecasting :D

Aramike
06-02-09, 11:57 PM
So, it appears the following people called it:

Aramike, baggygreen, JALU3, magic452, Neal Stevens, SteamWake, UnderseaLcpl

Just ask us if you need any political forecasting :D:salute:

SWEET!!!

I really hope I get the mug ... Do I get any points for being the first to publically share my vote? :rock:

PS: Kudos to SteamWake for being the first to name the candidate!

Onkel Neal
06-03-09, 07:32 AM
:salute:

SWEET!!!

I really hope I get the mug ... Do I get any points for being the first to publically share my vote? :rock:

PS: Kudos to SteamWake for being the first to name the candidate!


Yeah, since you were the first, the mug is yours. PM your mailing address, mate.

SteamWake
06-03-09, 09:57 AM
So, it appears the following people called it:

Aramike, baggygreen, JALU3, magic452, Neal Stevens, SteamWake, UnderseaLcpl

Just ask us if you need any political forecasting :D

Okay... will Obama serve a second term? ;)

Aramike
06-03-09, 01:22 PM
Yeah, since you were the first, the mug is yours. PM your mailing address, mate.
Done.

Thanks!