Swine flu update

[FIREWALL]

It don't look good. :nope: And there is no vaccine for the Swine Flu as just told on Channel 5 KTLA news.

[AVGWarhawk]

In 1976 the swine flu was discovered at Fort Dix NJ. They attempted to make a vaccine but the side effects were not favorable so it was abandoned. Rest and plenty of fluids. There are two drugs that will help getting over the flu and not all require this drug to successfully combat this flu. Like any sickness, rest and fluids are the best medicine.

[TDK1044]

Why would they expect there to be a vaccine at this stage? Flu mutates constantly, so new strains are bound to emerge. Pigs can also be infected with both the human and avian influenza. This swine flu strain appears to contain genetic elements from all three. It's going to take a while to develop a vaccine.

Swine flu is apparantly resistant to two of the common used drugs, namely Amantadine and Rimantadine. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are very different from human H1N1 viruses. Therefore, current vaccines for human seasonal flu will not provide any protection at all.

However, a little bird, who is usually right on the money, tells me that a seed vaccine has been specifically tailored to this swine flu and will be manufactured if the CDC deems it necessary.

[A Very Super Market]

Stop being paranoid. 30,000 people die of normal influenza in the US in a regular year. Swine flu has managed to kill only 20, and the majority of patients survive. This isn't massive respiratory collapse, this is just a slightly stronger flu.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why would they expect there to be a vaccine at this stage? Flu mutates constantly, so new strains are bound to emerge. Pigs can also be infected with both the human and avian influenza. This swine flu strain appears to contain genetic elements from all three. It's going to take a while to develop a vaccine.

The 1976 outbreak strain is very different than this strain. The little buggers mutate as you stated. Hard to keep ahead of it. Vaccines take months to develop and test. Not always successful either. This virus, like most virus, are tricky changing nasty buggers.

[SteamWake]

Good lord 3 threads on the topic now.

The topic is as virual as the real thing. :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Stop being paranoid. 30,000 people die of normal influenza in the US in a regular year. Swine flu has managed to kill only 20, and the majority of patients survive. This isn't massive respiratory collapse, this is just a slightly stronger flu.


The death toll has been overstated. I'm suspecting some panic here and over-reaction. The 1976 outbreak at Fort Dix NJ appeared and dissappeared in a month.

[AVGWarhawk]

Good lord 3 threads on the topic now.

The topic is as virual as the real thing. :doh:


IT IS SPREADING LIKE A VIRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:o DO NOT COUGH ON YOUR COMPUTER!

[TDK1044]

Good lord 3 threads on the topic now.

The topic is as virual as the real thing. :doh:

They are mutating!!! Nurse...the screens!!!

[SteamWake]

Dont fear the reaper !

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108941/

[A Very Super Market]

Incidentally, I am sick as well, though It's been diagnosed as nothing more than the normal flu. Meh.

[XabbaRus]

Well I was listening to the radio and swine flu is a misnomer. Nothing to do with pigs.

[TDK1044]

Well I was listening to the radio and swine flu is a misnomer. Nothing to do with pigs.

Change channels. Swine Flu is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A strains of the influenza virus. There are four main sub-types of the virus, but the most recent cases have been H1N1 viruses.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Well I was listening to the radio and swine flu is a misnomer. Nothing to do with pigs.

On that note it is to bad that another name could not be given to these things.

Swine flu cannot be spread by pork products, since the virus is not transmitted through food. From WikipediaGiven the economic crisis, this will not help the Pork Industry.

[SteamWake]

Well I was listening to the radio and swine flu is a misnomer. Nothing to do with pigs.

bwah ha ha... theres even people whom are 'offended' by the name 'swine flue'... :rotfl:

[AVGWarhawk]

We will call it the Babe Flu:

http://gallery.sendbad.net/data/media/76/babe_pig_in_the_city_ver1.jpg

[Rhodes]

IT IS SPREADING LIKE A VIRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:o DO NOT COUGH ON YOUR COMPUTER!

Actually, here it was the other way around! Oinc Oinc Oinc...

I heard that the vaccine of last year of the flu, gives partial or better,makes the imune system of the person more resistent becuase the vaccine has also the H1N1, since this new type is a mutation of this! Do no know if it's true!

[FIREWALL]

Lets just bury our heads in the sand and it will all go away. :roll:

[Raptor1]

Lets just bury our heads in the sand and it will all go away. :roll:

Since that may very well prevent infection, why not?

[FIREWALL]

Since that may very well prevent infection, why not?



:haha::haha::haha: :up: :salute:

[Biggles]

Think I read somewhere that while 50 000 000 people died of the spanish flu, 97% or so of everyone that caught the flu survived. Anyone can verify?

[Max2147]

Think I read somewhere that while 50 000 000 people died of the spanish flu, 97% or so of everyone that caught the flu survived. Anyone can verify?
Wikipedia says that an estimated 1 billion people caught the Spanish flu, so that number looks about right. There's a huge spread in the numbers regarding the Spanish flu.

The Spanish flu was unusual in that it was more deadly in younger and healthier patients. There are some signs that the same is true for the current swine flu.

[SteamWake]

Wikipedia says that an estimated 1 billion people caught the Spanish flu, so that number looks about right. There's a huge spread in the numbers regarding the Spanish flu.

The Spanish flu was unusual in that it was more deadly in younger and healthier patients. There are some signs that the same is true for the current swine flu.

Yet the only death so far in the US was some poor 2 year old mexican kid whom came to the US for treatment.

Cmon people.

[Max2147]

Yet the only death so far in the US was some poor 2 year old mexican kid whom came to the US for treatment.

Cmon people.
There's a world beyond our borders. In Mexico most of the deaths have been in healthy young adults.

[SteamWake]

There's a world beyond our borders. In Mexico most of the deaths have been in healthy young adults.

Now why would people in Mexico be more pre-disposed to mortality?

Anyhow I keep hearing this but have yet to see anything about it in the media.

[Oberon]

Reuters has just announced that the WHO has just gone to phase five according to the EC.


Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

[geetrue]

Reuters has just announced that the WHO has just gone to phase five according to the EC.


This is not good ... H1N1 just went from three to four yesterday.

It only goes up to 6

Now why would people in Mexico be more pre-disposed to mortality?

They are poorer, they put off medical attention longer, the only people being tested in Mexico are the ones already in the hospital and by that time it is almost too late.

You only have 48 hours to start treating it to have a better survival rate.

There is no cure

Online pharmacies have experienced a significant surge in demand for Tamiflu, the leading anti-flu drug.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5231337/Swine-flu-Online-pharmacies-report-huge-surge-in-demand-for-Tamiflu.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5231337/Swine-flu-Online-pharmacies-report-huge-surge-in-demand-for-Tamiflu.html)

[Max2147]

Now why would people in Mexico be more pre-disposed to mortality?

Anyhow I keep hearing this but have yet to see anything about it in the media.
The sample size in Mexico is a lot bigger for this virus. So far the sample size for fatalities in the US is 1.

Here's the media on healthy people being more vulnerable: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/world/americas/25mexico.html

"Most of Mexico’s dead were young, healthy adults, and none were over 60 or under 3 years old, the World Health Organization (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/w/world_health_organization/index.html?inline=nyt-org) said (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html). That alarms health officials because seasonal flus cause most of their deaths among infants and bedridden elderly people, but pandemic flus — like the 1918 Spanish flu, and the 1957 and 1968 pandemics — often strike young, healthy people the hardest."

[geetrue]

update:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/2009-04-29-texas-swineflu_N.htm?csp=25&RM_Exclude=Juno (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/2009-04-29-texas-swineflu_N.htm?csp=25&RM_Exclude=Juno)


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas officials are postponing all public high school athletic and academic competitions
until May 11 because of the swine flu outbreak.

The move suspends the baseball season and eliminates the regional track championships

[Jimbuna]

Could well be elevated to 6 (pandemic level) before the weekend at this rate :hmmm:

[Digital_Trucker]

The sample size in Mexico is a lot bigger for this virus. So far the sample size for fatalities in the US is 1.

The sample size for US deaths is 0. A previously sick Mexican child (who had other health problems (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103618995&ft=1&f=1001)) shouldn't count as a US death.

[Max2147]

The sample size for US deaths is 0. A previously sick Mexican child (who had other health problems (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103618995&ft=1&f=1001)) shouldn't count as a US death.
Fair enough. My previous point about the disturbing nature of the disease still stands.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, the mayor of Baltimore has created a Swine Flu Command Center:88) based on 2 possibles having the Swine Flu. Just what are they commanding at this center:hmmm: Got me! I guess the mayor is jockeying for more Fed money:shifty:

[FIREWALL]

Incidentally, I am sick as well, though It's been diagnosed as nothing more than the normal flu. Meh.

Your sick all right. And it ain't no head cold. :doh: :har:




Hope you feel better. :up:

[heartc]

Holy crap. I'm browsing this site tonight, and I see already THREE "swine flu" threads on a single page. There might be more, but I stopped and entered this thread after seeing the third one down below.

Give me a break. The media is all worked up about it, and that's ok. But this hysteria goes to show how much the media is able to really influence the people all over the damn world.
The swine flu is surely bad. But there is no reason for hysteria yet.
Here's a secret: You die anyway. And some of us think this usually is when God calls home. No sooner, no later. A lot of people walked across the street and got run down by a truck, while swine flu had nothing to do with it.

Relax. Only because half the world dies, or the media thinks it does, doesn't mean YOU die. That's not up to the media, nor you, to decide.

[Raptor1]

Holy crap. I'm browsing this site tonight, and I see already THREE "swine flu" threads on a single page. There might be more, but I stopped and entered this thread after seeing the third one down below.

Give me a break. The media is all worked up about it, and that's ok. But this hysteria goes to show how much the media is able to really influence the people all over the damn world.
The swine flu is surely bad. But there is no reason for hysteria yet.
Here's a secret: You die anyway. And some of us think this usually is when God calls home. No sooner, no later. A lot of people walked across the street and got run down by a truck, while swine flu had nothing to do with it.

Relax. Only because half the world dies, or the media thinks it does, doesn't mean YOU die. That's not up to the media, nor you, to decide.

Nice summary of the last 2 pages

[Kapitan_Phillips]

in before "obama did it" :O:

[Onkel Neal]

Stop being paranoid. 30,000 people die of normal influenza in the US in a regular year. Swine flu has managed to kill only 20, and the majority of patients survive. This isn't massive respiratory collapse, this is just a slightly stronger flu.

No kidding, jeez what a (cough) buncha scaredy (cough-cough!) cats. :-?

[A Very Super Market]

I suppose if we have a full-blown pandemic tomorrow, I will be better off because my immune system is currently busy fighting off some bacteria.

[owner20071963]

Its very simple,
Pigs Now Fly with Birds,
Like the Common Flu,
Give Pigs More Antibiotics,
Plus Birds,
In Feed?
Creates a New Virus,
Passed to Humans with Low Body Protection?
like the Weak?
It will Kill a Person like you and me,
Unless detected early.
This bug is Now in the Air,
As I Work with A Rescue Service,
We are on High Alert,
This is Worldwide,
Making A Joke Of It here Sickens Me,
People Die from this,
Lets Pray a Relative of a member
here does Not :nope:

[1480]

Most of the regulars know what I do for a living, with that said, the trauma unit nearest to my unit of assignment is on high alert. They had a confirmed case Monday, wasn't confirmed till last night. No one enters the hospital w/out a mask. They admitted 126 people today, 90% with flu-like symptoms. Take it anyway you'd like but use caution out there.

[Aramike]

Now the WHO is saying that only 7 deaths are directly attributed to the Swine Flu. http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html

Quite frankly, while this outbreak may be serious it certainly doesn't seem like a pandemic. For one, the odd discrepency in fatality percentages in the US versus Mexico makes little sense and has just seems as though Mexico is using supposed symtoms as verification, rather than hard data.

The other thing to consider is that it doesn't seem to be spreading exponentially fast, as a viral pandemic should. A lot of the reported cases seem to be directly resulting simply from public awareness. There is no doubt that many of the victims who have been tested would have simply stayed home and rested were there no panic involved.

Personally, I think the fear is overrated (knock on wood).

[1480]

I hope you are right....

[Aramike]

I hope you are right....Heh, me too. I just get a little skeptical when there are more news stories about a so-called upcoming pandemic than there are confirmed cases. It just seems that the virus would spread faster than the news cycle, as that virus' speed would be what causes the articles to appear in the first place. Instead, its seems that the only thing virulent here is the story.

[FIREWALL]

I'm watching the late nite news now.

And their closeing one school after another after haveing even one student with flu like symtoms.

[Aramike]

I'm watching the late nite news now.

And their closeing one school after another after haveing even one student with flu like symtoms.In a sick way, a part of me wishes I was a kid during this scare as I'd be faking flu symptoms at this moment thusly becoming a school hero.

[JALU3]

... More being tested who have been diagnosed with type 1 Influenza.

The most recent includes a child and father who were recently in Tijuana, both of which have been hospitalized.

NBC San Diego (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/health/tips_info/Raw_Video___Numbers_Are_Changing_Hourly__San_Diego .html)

[Jimbuna]

In a sick way, a part of me wishes I was a kid during this scare as I'd be faking flu symptoms at this moment thusly becoming a school hero.

Me too :DL

[XabbaRus]

This is a quote from a BBC article

A senior health official in Europe says it is not a question of whether people in Europe will die, but how many - perhaps hundreds or thousands.

This is an irresponsible thing to say and should not have been reported. It breeds unnecessary panic.

[Aramike]

This is a quote from a BBC article



This is an irresponsible thing to say and should not have been reported. It breeds unnecessary panic.Precisely. Especially considering said "senior health official" remains unidentified and, as such, cannot be held accountable should his prediction be proven incorrect.

[Jimbuna]

Most recent update on the WHO site:

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_29/en/index.html

Swine influenza - update 5

29 April 2009 -- </SPAN>The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5).
Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.
WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.
There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.
Related links

Swine influenza web site (http://www.who.int/entity/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html)
Daily updates will be posted on this site.

[TDK1044]

If people just think of this as a second flu season within the same year then common sense might prevail.

No dramatic headlines to be had in a realistic scenario though. :)

[Jimbuna]

If people just think of this as a second flu season within the same year then common sense might prevail.

No dramatic headlines to be had in a realistic scenario though. :)

Nice and timely in taking peoples minds of the worldwide financial crisis as well :hmmm:

[JALU3]

Nice and timely in taking peoples minds of the worldwide financial crisis as well

Might be if you aren't into agrabusiness. For some sectors its only compounding their present problems.

[FIREWALL]

Norwegian Cruise lines won't be making any stops in Mexico till Sept.

A half dozen others state they will follow same.

[porphy]

You're not safe anywhere... :)



http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a126/Porphyr/2956_76655108250_756988250_1770869_.jpg

[1480]

Porphy, most excellent! :har:

[SteamWake]

I always wanted to knock that whiney ass piglet up side the head anyhow...

Back on topic.

"Scientists see this flu strain as a mild one"

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story

Talk about mixed signals, I guess the Los Angelis times dident get the panic memo.

[A Very Super Market]

Its very simple,
Pigs Now Fly with Birds,
Like the Common Flu,
Give Pigs More Antibiotics,
Plus Birds,
In Feed?
Creates a New Virus,
Passed to Humans with Low Body Protection?
like the Weak?
It will Kill a Person like you and me,
Unless detected early.
This bug is Now in the Air,
As I Work with A Rescue Service,
We are on High Alert,
This is Worldwide,
Making A Joke Of It here Sickens Me,
People Die from this,
Lets Pray a Relative of a member
here does Not :nope:


Influenza is a virus, and unaffected by anti-biotics anyways.

[Jimbuna]

You're not safe anywhere... :)



LOL :rotfl:

[geetrue]

You would think if this really is the big one that more deaths would've been reported by now ...

As of this moment of personally tracking the H1N1 flue virsus for the last six days ...
all deaths have been in Mexico except for the 25 month old child that came across the border already sick and died in Houston.

Could be mutating the other way to a less sever strain after running into healthier people (reads richer).

Could be :yep:

[TDK1044]

Sure. Look, between 30,000 and 50,000 people die of flu in the US every year.....mostly the old folks who are already sick. The only issue with this variant of swine flu is that we don't yet have a vaccine for it. Because of that, people are scared of catching it.

When the dust settles, this swine flu will have killed far fewer people than the panicking masses are predicting, and there will be thousands of garage sales of face masks that were never needed. :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure. Look, between 30,000 and 50,000 people die of flu in the US every year.....mostly the old folks who are already sick. The only issue with this variant of swine flu is that we don't yet have a vaccine for it. Because of that, people are scared of catching it.

When the dust settles, this swine flu will have killed far fewer people than the panicking masses are predicting, and there will be thousands of garage sales of face masks that were never needed. :)

And this I have to agree with 100%:up:

[Jimbuna]

Sure. Look, between 30,000 and 50,000 people die of flu in the US every year.....mostly the old folks who are already sick. The only issue with this variant of swine flu is that we don't yet have a vaccine for it. Because of that, people are scared of catching it.

When the dust settles, this swine flu will have killed far fewer people than the panicking masses are predicting, and there will be thousands of garage sales of face masks that were never needed. :)

Time to buy shares in face mask manufacturing companies then I guess :DL

[Rilder]

Right time to make plans for a vacation in Madagascar. :rotfl:

[JALU3]

Norwegian Cruise lines won't be making any stops in Mexico till Sept.

A half dozen others state they will follow same.




This is a boom for San Diego for those short 3 day cruises out of Long Beach/LA. We have three cruise ships in port at the same time. :up:

[TDK1044]

So, let's look at the actual data instead of the hysterical ratings grabbing headlines.

So far, the total number of confirmed cases of the H1N1 virus stands at 331 people according to the World Health Organization. Not bad out of a world population of 6.77 Billion!

There has been 1 death from the virus in the US.....a baby that contracted the disease in Mexico and was then driven to Houston, Texas.

A further 108 people in the US have the virus. A California teenager I saw on a news report yesterday, contracted the virus 7 days ago, went through all of the usual flu symptoms and was then released from hospital yesterday fully fit.

Since January, there have been more than 16,000 deaths from the regular old flu that we see every year. That figure will reach about 36,000 by the end of the year.

Bottom line......The swine flu is no more potent, infact it looks less potent, than the flu we see every year, we just don't have a vaccine for it yet. History shows us that the second wave of the virus in the Fall might be more potent than this one, but a vaccine offering significant protection will be available by then.

Ignorance of the facts is much more dangerous than this variant of the swine flu.

[danlisa]

....we just don't have a vaccine for it yet.....Ignorance of the facts is much more dangerous than this variant of the swine flu.

That is why the huge media hype and mass hysteria is occurring. We have no protection against this current strain and this is also why the WHO is classing this as a potential pandemic.

Apart from the lack of vaccine, this flu strain is no different to any serious cold or flu that any of us can and do contract.

What I want to know is what the Mexicans were doing the their pigs to get this strain to jump species. Considering it can only pass to different species through breath, saliva and faeces and will only remain viralant for up to 4 mins when exposed to air.

[Torplexed]

I'm not sure which is scarier. The closing of a local school, or the fact that the officials at that local school seem to lack some elementary spelling and grammar skills. Maybe the kids are better off at home. :doh:

http://media.bonnint.net/seattle/2/202/20287.jpg

[SteamWake]

That is why the huge media hype and mass hysteria is occurring. We have no protection against this current strain and this is also why the WHO is classing this as a potential pandemic.

Apart from the lack of vaccine, this flu strain is no different to any serious cold or flu that any of us can and do contract.

What I want to know is what the Mexicans were doing the their pigs to get this strain to jump species. Considering it can only pass to different species through breath, saliva and faeces and will only remain viralant for up to 4 mins when exposed to air.

Strange, I just heard on the news that the virus does respond to current vaccines and 'tamaflu' which are being shipped out to the states as we speak.

Stunning amount of mis-information, hysteria, and hyperbole.

[danlisa]

Strange, I just heard on the news that the virus does respond to current vaccines and 'tamaflu' which are being shipped out to the states as we speak.

Nope, Tamaflu attacks and reduces the effects of the illness within the body of the individual, giving that person a better chance of recovery. It does not attack or kill the virus itself. Therefore, a person being treated is still contagious, which is why they are being isolated.

According to the director of UK GP's on GMTV this morning.

I agree though, every media resource should be reading from the same script. They do nothing but panic the public.

[Jimbuna]

Here is an extract from an all points email circulated by my employers HQ yesterday:

You may have heard this afternoon that a case of swine flu has been confirmed in Newcastle. The person involved has returned from a visit to Mexico. It is important to remember that
Apart from in Mexico, all those infected with the virus have experienced mild symptoms and made a full recovery.

Testing has shown that human swine influenza H1N1 can be treated with two anti-viral drugs called Tamiflu® and Relenza®. Tamiflu is proving effective and people who received the anti-virals early are recovering.

The World Health Organisation has stated that the United Kingdom and France are the best prepared countries in the world.

[Max2147]

Apart from the lack of vaccine, this flu strain is no different to any serious cold or flu that any of us can and do contract.
Not necessarily. There are some signs to show that this strain is similar to the 1918 Spanish flu, which was definitely NOT your average influenza. But there's not enough data on that right now.

[danlisa]

Testing has shown that human swine influenza H1N1 can be treated with two anti-viral drugs called Tamiflu® and Relenza®. Tamiflu is proving effective and people who received the anti-virals early are recovering.

:up: Nice bit of info there.

Although I really wish everyone were more specific when reporting or issuing details.

Both those anti-viral drugs listed in Jims post are used to subdue the virus' effects on the individuals immune system so the the infected persons body can defeat the virus. Like I said before, and just like every other case of flu virus, there is no drug or medicine that will kill the H1N1 (or other flu strains) virus outright.

What do you all think the Flu Jab is? It's a mild strain of influenza injected directly into your system so that your immune system is prepared and has the antibodies to battle it.

Unfortunately, the media calm the ill informed public but at the same time infuriate the informed with misinformation.:damn:

[Jimbuna]

What do you all think the Flu Jab is? It's a mild strain of influenza injected directly into your system so that your immune system is prepared and has the antibodies to battle it.


Too true Dan....I've always found it odd why so many people end up bed-ridden after receiving the jab but admit they have it done every year :DL

[TDK1044]

The World Health Organisation has stated that the United Kingdom and France are the best prepared countries in the world.

That statement would worry me greatly if I lived there. :)

[Jimbuna]

That statement would worry me greatly if I lived there. :)

Naa....I think we'll let the French do the worrying bit :03:

[FIREWALL]

I'm going to live dangerously. I'm going to go eat dinner tonite at my favorite Mexican Restaurant. :DL

[TDK1044]

I'm going to live dangerously. I'm going to go eat dinner tonite at my favorite Mexican Restaurant. :DL


Don't order a 'shot' at the bar. No telling what you'll get! :)

[Jimbuna]

I'm going to live dangerously. I'm going to go eat dinner tonite at my favorite Mexican Restaurant. :DL

Enjoy :up:


http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/images/smilies/cttequila_e0.gif

[Rhodes]

I think they change the flu name. My contry news were calling it "Flu A"!

[SteamWake]

I think they change the flu name. My contry news were calling it "Flu A"!

Well the agriculture industry was concearned and rightfully so that the name "Swine flu" may cause a decline in the sales of pork and pork products. Look at how Russia is no longer accepting american meat products. Even though the Russians have an ulterior motive the 'swine flu' was a convienent excuse.

There calling it T1 virus now here.

Maybe its just my imagination but it seems as if all the hysteria is beginning to wane a bit.

[Torplexed]

Maybe its just my imagination but it seems as if all the hysteria is beginning to wane a bit.

Yeah...I noticed the headline in the local paper this morning was: "From outbreak to overreaction?"

[CaptainHaplo]

Something I heard at work.....

In the US, there have always been those nutcases (and yes - thats what they are) that said that we would have a black President "When pigs fly."

100 days in... and we have "swine flu"

Coincidence - or prophecy?
Is it not odd that now its refered to as N1H1?

Seriously - an average of 3000 people die in the US due to normal flu every year. As of this posting - 1 - a toddler - has died because of this strain.

*My heart goes out to the family of that child, as a parent one can only imagine the heartwrenching grief*

While a sad case, in perspective this "near pandemic" is less severe than a normal flu..... Anyone say its the tail wagging the dog to help promote a new "health care" agenda push?

Just a thought.........

[SteamWake]

Something I heard at work.....

In the US, there have always been those nutcases (and yes - thats what they are) that said that we would have a black President "When pigs fly."

100 days in... and we have "swine flu"

Coincidence - or prophecy?
Is it not odd that now its refered to as N1H1?

Seriously - an average of 3000 people die in the US due to normal flu every year. As of this posting - 1 - a toddler - has died because of this strain.

*My heart goes out to the family of that child, as a parent one can only imagine the heartwrenching grief*

While a sad case, in perspective this "near pandemic" is less severe than a normal flu..... Anyone say its the tail wagging the dog to help promote a new "health care" agenda push?

Just a thought.........

In all fairness there have been quite a few deaths in mexico attributed to the virus.

There may be some truth in your consipricy theory, however for the most part the willing accomplis of the media unwittingly or not are big on hyperbole and selling ad revinue.

[Oberon]

:hmmm:

It's been H1N1 since the start:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8019100.stm

Yeah, but I gotta agree that the hyperbole has proven to be completely overreactive once again. Eh well, it sells papers and gets viewing figures I guess. :damn:

[Rhodes]

Yeah...I noticed the headline in the local paper this morning was: "From outbreak to overreaction?"

Same here, but with a diffrence, my contry is desperate to have one case! Just to show the rest of europe that Portugal is equal to any other "1º world" contry! Yes, here things go like this!:shifty:

[Platapus]

Coincidence - or prophecy?
Is it not odd that now its refered to as N1H1?




Ok, I am missin this. First of all it is not called N1H1, it is H1N1

But even if the letters were reversed, what is this prophecy/coincidence thing you are alluding to?

And what would be "odd" about it?

[Jimbuna]

The hype is definitely waning here in the UK.

[CaptainHaplo]

Platypus - I was JOKING when I said it was prophecy.....

The joke prophecy part being "pigs fly" and swine flu.....

Cmon - I admit it wasn't that great of a joke, but now you just know why I am not a comedian.....

[Biggles]

Swedish gov. now call it "the new flu".

No kiddin'...

[Oberon]

Swedish gov. now call it "the new flu".

No kiddin'...

It least it rhymes :yeah:

[SteamWake]

Swedish gov. now call it "the new flu".

No kiddin'...

I'm holding out for the new flu review :woot:

[geetrue]

I thought they said that we didn't have to worry about pigs, but now the pigs have to worry about man.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-05-02-canada_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-05-02-canada_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno)

OTTAWA (AP) — Pigs on a Canadian farm have been infected with the new swine flu virus — apparently by a farm worker back from Mexico — and are under quarantine, officials said Saturday. It is the first known case of pigs having the virus.

But officials quickly urged caution. Swine flu regularly causes outbreaks in pigs, and the pigs do not pose a food safety risk,

[I-25]

here in Mexico its also kinda going down now, last week everyone was gong nuts over it, face masks all over, now iv only seen 2 today.

its a MASSIVE overreaction by the media, nothings happened here at all...

probably just another cover story for something bigger...:stare:

[SteamWake]

I thought they said that we didn't have to worry about pigs, but now the pigs have to worry about man.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-05-02-canada_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-05-02-canada_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno)

Why shouldent pigs be worried about man? I think its safe to say that mankind has been there number one killer :rotfl:oh and eater. :rock:

[Platapus]

I'm holding out for the new flu review :woot:

Who knew about the new flu, did you?
:D

[Jimbuna]

So now we should soon see the financial crisis taking centre stage in the media again :hmmm:

[Frame57]

Wuz wondering....I heard the AIDS came from humans and chimps doin the bone dance. Could the swine flu be a similar deal? Why is there no disease from all the farmers that do the hokey pokey with sheep???:woot:

[OneToughHerring]

Wuz wondering....I heard the AIDS came from humans and chimps doin the bone dance. Could the swine flu be a similar deal? Why is there no disease from all the farmers that do the hokey pokey with sheep???:woot:

I've heard that HIV/AIDS was developed by US scientists to wipe out Africans.

[Frame57]

I've heard that HIV/AIDS was developed by US scientists to wipe out Africans.Yes! I think the Bush's were behind this. Thank God for Rosie O' Donnell and her wisdom of the matter...

[CaptainHaplo]

You know him using his weather satellite to make a hurricane hit New Orleans is further proof that he and his ilk don't like anyone who isnt white.

[OneToughHerring]

The theory that HIV/AIDS might be at least in part a US plan to attack blacks has neven been disproven. Look at US politics in Africa during the cold war and even before, it would fit right in line with the rest of their policies.

[CaptainHaplo]

OTH....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin)

The facts are that HIV is amazingly closely related to SIV - its Simbian (aka primate) varient. The base mutations between the two are minimal.

Considering that the earliest cases of immunodeficiency diseases that would today be looked at as possible AIDS cases date back to around 1917 in the Congonese region, the fact that SIV was known even then, and that simple blood contact could transmit the virus, the commonly accepted scientific thought of a hunter or butcher getting infected by either trying to trap or carve up an infected primate is reasonable.

Now - your "well it hasn't been DISPROVEN".... ok. Well guess what, lots of things haven't been "DISPROVEN". Like the world is flat. Pictures from outer space? Faked. Moon landing? Done in Hollywood. Kennedy isn't really dead because I personally didn't feel for a lack of pulse.

So - when a "claim" is thrown out that you have never heard before feeds some preconcieved notion you may have - research it. The facts that there is a reasonable, accepted answer out there - along with the facts that there would not be a reason for the US government to try and kill blacks (since HIV is documented way before the equal rights struggles), means you can be gullible and look for the bad guys everywhere that are out to get you, or accept that life is a little more rational.

And remember - its not a question of if your paranoid... its a question of are you paranoid ENOUGH?

[TDK1044]

The title of the thread is 'Swine Flu Update', so here is one:

The number of H1N1 cases worldwide now stands at 787, with two additional deaths reported in Mexico. As of today, Mexico has the largest number of confirmed cases with 506, followed by the United States at 160. 19 people in Mexico and a Mexican baby who travelled to the United States have died from the virus, bringing the total number of deaths to 20.

Therefore, as some of us have been stating from very early on, the H1N1 virus is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu virus that has killed 16,000 people in the US so far this year, and which will have killed about 36,000 by the end of the year.

You're going to see confirmed cases, those who are not old and with pre existing chronic illnesses, recover from H1N1 with conventional flu treatment.

[Murr44]

Got this from the CBC:

No Sustained Spread of Swine Flu Outside North America: WHO

The World Health Organization said Saturday the virus responsible for the swine flu outbreak among humans doesn't appear to be spreading outside of North America, but cautioned that a pandemic still can't be ruled out.
"At the present time I would still propose that a pandemic is imminent, because we are seeing the disease spread," Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization's director of Global Alert and Response, told reporters in Geneva.

But a sustained spread of the outbreak among communities outside North America would be required before raising the pandemic alert level to the highest category, he said. So far there is "no evidence" that has happened, Ryan said.
The alert level stands at five on a six-point scale. A Level 5 alert means there has been human-to-human spread of a virus in at least two countries in one region, according to the organization's pandemic response guidelines.
The classification means a pandemic is imminent and countries must finalize preparations to deal with the outbreak, officials said. Phase 6 means a pandemic has occurred.
"At this point we have to expect that Phase 6 will be reached. We have to hope that it is not reached," he said.

Suspected deaths in Mexico down
Meanwhile, Mexico revised the number of suspected deaths from the swine flu virus down to 101 from 176 early Saturday.

Mexico's health secretary also said the number of confirmed swine flu cases in that country has risen to 473, including 19 people who died.

Ireland reported its first confirmed case Saturday, as did Costa Rica and Italy.

Fifteen other countries have reported 615 cases, Ryan said Saturday.

The virus is confirmed to have killed at least 17 people: 16 in Mexico and one in the United States, according to the WHO. In Mexico, "about half of the cases are [people who are] under 21 and half the cases are over 21 and [are] spread across different age groups," said Ryan.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed Saturday that there were 160 cases reported in 21 states. In the United States, the median age of the confirmed cases is about 17, said the CBC'S Catherine Mercier, reporting from New York.

The virus, which has been identified as a new strain of the H1N1 subtype of type A influenza, is believed to have originated in Mexico and has since appeared in the U.S., Canada, Europe and elsewhere.

In Canada, the total number of confirmed cases rose to 85 as health officials in Nova Scotia, British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec confirmed a total of 30 new cases Saturday.

All the Canadian cases are considered mild.

Ryan said the newly reported cases in Mexico "reflect primarily ongoing testing of previously collected samples and not a surge of people falling sick."

Mexico takes precautions

Mexico has taken extraordinary measures to combat the epidemic, ordering all non-essential government and private businesses to shut down for five days.

In the wide valley where 20 million people live in and around the capital, streets were strangely quiet Saturday, its usually crowded markets shuttered and even parks locked down.

"What we thought is that we would have an exponential growth in the number of persons with symptoms. But the information we have is that hasn't occurred, and we now have a stabilized curve with no important growth" of confirmed cases, Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard said Saturday.

"That is the big question: Is it stabilizing or not? And it is too early to say, but I think we are getting systems in place where we are going to be able to get a handle on this soon," said Dr. Steve Waterman of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ryan also announced Saturday that the WHO would send 2.4 million doses of antiviral drugs to countries around the world, including Mexico. The least developed countries with the poorest health systems would be given priority, he said.

[Rhodes]

:woot::woot:Portugal have the first case confirmed! :woot::woot::woot:

Yupi! But the person is responding well to the treatment and it's beyond the contamination fase! And all the person that went with her in the hollyday are not showing signals of the flu!


PS: The yupi and the party smileys, is just because during the past days, the media (and the some people) here gived the idea that portugal was "being" left out of the contries with the flu!

It's us, do not mind or try to understrand....:O:

[Oberon]

:woot::woot:Portugal have the first case confirmed! :woot::woot::woot:

Yupi! But the person is responding well to the treatment and it's beyond the contamination fase! And all the person that went with her in the hollyday are not showing signals of the flu!


PS: The yupi and the party smileys, is just because during the past days, the media (and the some people) here gived the idea that portugal was "being" left out of the contries with the flu!

It's us, do not mind or try to understrand....:O:


Congrats! :yeah:Welcome to the club!

Flu party at Rhodes place tonight! :woot:

:haha:

[Kratos]

A flu party!!! I'll bring the oinkment for the rashers:O:

[Rhodes]

Congrats! :yeah:Welcome to the club!

Flu party at Rhodes place tonight! :woot:

:haha:

:haha::haha::har::har::yeah::yep::03:

Possibly the second case, of a child, but the health ministery only going to comment at 14h. The suspition was the flu like symptoms and the hospital staff begining to were masks after that child was hospitalized!

[Rilder]

Beware of Zombies. (http://bouncewith.me.uk/europe/8027043.htm)











:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

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[SeaWolf U-57]

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Naw there not zombies there just home goers on a Saturday night in Newcastle after drinking to many Newcastle Browns.:hmmm: