View Full Version : Air Force One Photo Op Triggers Panic in Manhattan
SteamWake
04-27-09, 01:35 PM
A photo op over New York causes a little bit of concearn.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518112,00.html
Digital_Trucker
04-27-09, 02:22 PM
A heads up would be too much to ask from the government. Wonder what Brainiac thought this little "photo op" up?
Wait a minute, aren't we supposed to be finding ways to save money? This looks like a rather expensive photo opportunity,:hmmm:
Zachstar
04-27-09, 03:40 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7439287&page=1
A photo shoot involving a 747 used as Air Force One and one fighter jet flying at low altitude led to hundreds of frightened calls from residents and workers in Lower Manhattan this morning, triggering memories of 9-11 as many evacuated their offices. The president was not aboard.
GEEZUS!!
Did not ANYONE think that this may you know... Scare the crap out of people in a city hit with terrorism in the past?
Yes with a simple lens or proximity you can see its just Air Force One (Or its Copy in this case) but at a distance it looks like a 747 and even I would be worried at that point.
Caused a boatload of panic..
...lead to hundreds of frightened calls...
Who did these people phone?
And why?
Zachstar
04-27-09, 03:47 PM
Obviously they called 911.
And why? Well they thought it might have been some kind of terrorist attack. Yes there is many reasons why it was silly to assume tho (If they could see it was the copy of AF1 that is) but this is NY and 9-11 has not been forgotten yet.
Therefore at best it was extremely stupid and insensitive to the people who bore the brunt of that terrible day.
geetrue
04-27-09, 03:52 PM
How would you react to a 747 with a fighter escort flying around your high rise building while you were at work on your computer?
I would've been out of there faster than a speeding bullet ...
SteamWake
04-27-09, 03:57 PM
Guess you guys missed this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=151144
BTW it wasent really airforce one, rather a 747 mocked up to look like AF1.
Obviously they called 911.
...in case no one had noticed?
I suppose there is a little logic there.
SeaWolf U-57
04-27-09, 03:58 PM
Perfectly understandable why people would panic seeing this after all they have been through and it will probably take a few more years yet to look up in the sky and see a passenger jet followed by a fighter plane and not run for cover.
A bit inconsiderate to say the least to let this happen in the first place.:nope:
What a horrible horrible mistake....:damn:
SteamWake
04-27-09, 10:00 PM
it was a photo op for the DoD :eek:
you would have thought at least they would have gotten the word out.
Kapitan_Phillips
04-27-09, 10:18 PM
Get over it.
bookworm_020
04-28-09, 01:58 AM
Not the best way to get a photo!:oops:
HunterICX
04-28-09, 03:16 AM
They should have announced it.....then there wouldnt be such a problem.
HunterICX
Jimbuna
04-28-09, 03:21 AM
Sounds like a bit of a PR gaff to me.........poorly thought out at best :doh:
Tribesman
04-28-09, 05:33 AM
you would have thought at least they would have gotten the word out.
They did get the word out , but as it was a military do part of it was classified , so while they told the police and the local government those people couldn't tell the public .
Digital_Trucker
04-28-09, 06:33 AM
They did get the word out , but as it was a military do part of it was classified , so while they told the police and the local government those people couldn't tell the public .
Totally lame excuse, IMO, as the Prez wasn't in the plane. There was absolutely no need to keep the thing "eyes only". Total brain fart on the part of the DoD. Total lack of communication, too, if the idea wasn't run past the annointed one first.
AVGWarhawk
04-28-09, 09:12 AM
It was a stupid PR stunt. What the hell were they thinking? No wait, they were not thinking. :88)
SteamWake
04-28-09, 09:30 AM
Reminds me of the old axiom "Its easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission".
I don't buy this photo-op story. What was it's purpose?
SteamWake
04-28-09, 11:22 AM
I don't buy this photo-op story. What was it's purpose?
Photo op ... stock material for the DoD's use. For whatever they decide to use it for.
geetrue
04-28-09, 11:49 AM
it was a photo op for the DoD you would have thought at least they would have gotten the word out.
They should have announced it.....then there wouldnt be such a problem.
HunterICX
They did get the word out , but as it was a military do part of it was classified , so while they told the police and the local government those people couldn't tell the public .
I don't buy this photo-op story. What was it's purpose?
Tribesman is right ... they did get the word out to the New York Port Authority around 10am monday the same day of the photo shoot with a message not to tell the general public.
As to why they did it and where the original orders came from I can not say without using the O word.
However in his defense it was reported by ABC news that Mr O was very angry and called in all of the parties involved to vent his anger. :o
Platapus
04-28-09, 12:40 PM
I think some of the residents were over reacting just a bit.
I can understand a resident being concerned with a plane flying over the city (it was not all THAT low). I can even understand a resident being a bit nervous. But when I read about people panicking at the sight of an airplane, that is a bit much.
NYC area has an airport. There are planes flying at various altitudes all the time. Why would someone actually PANIC just by seeing an airplane flying?
If they are that troubled, they need some professional help.
Like I said, concerned/nervous I can understand. Panic I can't. :nope:
How much you wanna bet that this is a set up for a lawsuit. It is amazing how a lawsuit lottery can help with some people's "panic"
$$$$$
Digital_Trucker
04-28-09, 12:46 PM
I think some of the residents were over reacting just a bit.
I can understand a resident being concerned with a plane flying over the city (it was not all THAT low). I can even understand a resident being a bit nervous. But when I read about people panicking at the sight of an airplane, that is a bit much.
NYC area has an airport. There are planes flying at various altitudes all the time. Why would someone actually PANIC just by seeing an airplane flying?
If they are that troubled, they need some professional help.
Like I said, concerned/nervous I can understand. Panic I can't. :nope:
How much you wanna bet that this is a set up for a lawsuit. It is amazing how a lawsuit lottery can help with some people's "panic"
$$$$$
I sincerely doubt that 747s with fighter escorts fly at 1,500 feet in Manhattan very often.
AVGWarhawk
04-28-09, 12:47 PM
I think some of the residents were over reacting just a bit.
I can understand a resident being concerned with a plane flying over the city (it was not all THAT low). I can even understand a resident being a bit nervous. But when I read about people panicking at the sight of an airplane, that is a bit much.
NYC area has an airport. There are planes flying at various altitudes all the time. Why would someone actually PANIC just by seeing an airplane flying?
If they are that troubled, they need some professional help.
Like I said, concerned/nervous I can understand. Panic I can't. :nope:
How much you wanna bet that this is a set up for a lawsuit. It is amazing how a lawsuit lottery can help with some people's "panic"
$$$$$
Ah, when you see Air Force One, a plane known by everyone in the US with a jet fighter in tow flying at low altitude in a city that had two towers leveled with 3500 dead....panic is not so far fetched. I'm guessing this is a situation were you would 'have to be there' to really understand.
Platapus
04-28-09, 01:03 PM
I recken.
Just seems silly to panic before anything happens?
still waiting for the lawsuits though :nope:
Digital_Trucker
04-28-09, 01:16 PM
I recken.
Just seems silly to panic before anything happens?
still waiting for the lawsuits though :nope:
What I'm waiting for is for the idiot who dreamed up this jackass stunt to either quit or be kicked to the curb (along with his boss). We're talking the Department of Defense here, shouldn't a modicum of intelligence (say an IQ of above 0) be a prerequisite?
Platapus
04-28-09, 01:30 PM
I suppose there should be the obligatory joke about Military Intelligence being an oxymoron?
:D
Can you just imagine the hullabaloo if Bush had done that?
AVGWarhawk
04-28-09, 02:08 PM
Can you just imagine the hullabaloo if Bush had done that?
Not to mention the tons of pollutants that aircraft is pumping into the enviroment...all for the sake of a photo op! Were is the outrage for that? Not to mention they are burning up tax dollars for a photo. Where is the outrage in that? Oh yeah, never mind. DC has been given the golden key to the world...do as you may. :doh:
Digital_Trucker
04-28-09, 03:49 PM
I suppose there should be the obligatory joke about Military Intelligence being an oxymoron?
:D
Hey, watch it, I used to resemble that remark:salute:
Aramike
04-28-09, 04:05 PM
I guess the White House couldn't find someone halfway proficient with PhotoShop. Better to spend a couple million taxpayer dollars, right?
Platapus
04-28-09, 04:23 PM
I guess the White House couldn't find someone halfway proficient with PhotoShop. Better to spend a couple million taxpayer dollars, right?
Then people would be bitchin about the "fake" picture of AF One.
Just keep in mind that there will always be some people bitchin about something no matter what is done or not done.
Tribesman
04-28-09, 04:24 PM
Not to mention they are burning up tax dollars for a photo. Where is the outrage in that?
:rotfl:
I take it you missed the part about them doing the photo op as part of a scheduled training mission to save some of them tax dollars
Aramike
04-28-09, 05:10 PM
Then people would be bitchin about the "fake" picture of AF One.
Just keep in mind that there will always be some people bitchin about something no matter what is done or not done.That's the kind of philosophy that causes our country to be so broke.
A few million dollars to prevent a tiny amount of bitching about a faked Airforce 1 picture is hardly worth it ...
... especially considering the plane wasn't really AF1 to begin with.
Task Force
04-28-09, 05:10 PM
I wonder if they even thought that haveing a jet flying over a city that had two towers ploughed into by numerious jets fall... would not cause panic to people. (especialy the ones in towers) and with a fighter escort... that makes them think its the real thing even more...
Just the DoD acting before thinking...:shifty:
Can you just imagine the hullabaloo if Bush had done that?
It's an international story drawing criticism in the media, public, and from the Mayor of NYC, causing a public response from all branches involved, and by all accounts infuriating the President. Do tell me what would have happened if "Bush had done that".
This victim complex isn't helpful to you right wingers.....
HunterICX
04-29-09, 03:47 AM
That's the kind of philosophy that causes our country to be so broke.
A few million dollars to prevent a tiny amount of bitching about a faked Airforce 1 picture is hardly worth it ...
... especially considering the plane wasn't really AF1 to begin with.
Million dollars to do this stunt, and still people are going to bitch that it isn't the real AF1 :rotfl:
HunterICX
SteamWake
04-29-09, 01:53 PM
Huh... what ? I knew nothing about it. I promise itll never happen again.
:rotfl:
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html
It's an international story drawing criticism in the media, public, and from the Mayor of NYC, causing a public response from all branches involved, and by all accounts infuriating the President. Do tell me what would have happened if "Bush had done that".
Yeah right Enigma, the BBC's article for example slipped off their front page within just a day. How quickly you forget... :roll:
Digital_Trucker
04-29-09, 04:26 PM
Yeah right Enigma, the BBC's article for example slipped off their front page within just a day. How quickly you forget... :roll:
Doesn't seem to have drawn much criticism from the usual crowd here either:03:
You think the BBC should be running this story again today? Why? What for?
Tribesman
04-29-09, 05:55 PM
You think the BBC should be running this story again today? Why? What for?
Of course they should , after all it is a news service and news services are supposed to run old news again and again as a breaking headline
You think the BBC should be running this story again today? Why? What for?
But I don't think the BBC should be running this story. You are the one who said it was an "international story drawing criticism". I'm just pointing out there ain't all that much criticism because the liberal media isn't pushing the story like they would be if it were on Republicans watch.
papa_smurf
04-30-09, 07:15 AM
This is more a George Bush idea............:haha::har:
But I don't think the BBC should be running this story. You are the one who said it was an "international story drawing criticism". I'm just pointing out there ain't all that much criticism because the liberal media isn't pushing the story like they would be if it were on Republicans watch.
Oh please. :doh:
Oh please. :doh:
You are slipping if that's the best reply you can come up with...
SteamWake
04-30-09, 11:22 AM
Mission Accomplished !
:rotfl:
Jimbuna
04-30-09, 01:16 PM
Mission Accomplished !
:rotfl:
Your really so.........incorrigible :hmmm: :yeah:
You are slipping if that's the best reply you can come up with...
Yeah? You calling me out? Internet message board rumble? Instead of going to work I should have typed an essay for you on your "poor republican me" shtick?
I'm slipping?
Get over yourself....:haha:
They should of done a barrel roll. :arrgh!:
Yeah? You calling me out? Internet message board rumble? Instead of going to work I should have typed an essay for you on your "poor republican me" shtick?
I'm slipping?
Get over yourself....:haha:
Aww, don't get defensive Enigma, I just wanted to hear more about how you think this latest Obamistake was such a big deal internationally.
Of course you do. Happy Meal politics is your game. It's every rookies mistake. Don't feel bad...
AVGWarhawk
05-05-09, 12:51 PM
Now we can not see the photos.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/272131
Come on, we paid for them. People ran in panic, fell down stairs running and went to local hospitals............the pictures are 'classified'...no? Well then, why can we not see what we paid for:06:
Now we can not see the photos.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/272131
Come on, we paid for them. People ran in panic, fell down stairs running and went to local hospitals............the pictures are 'classified'...no? Well then, why can we not see what we paid for:06:
Ask Enigma. He's following this internationally... :up:
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't realize you were still talking and thinking of me DAYS after this thread. That's, um, creepy. Yeah. :dead:
AVGWarhawk
05-06-09, 10:36 AM
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't realize you were still talking and thinking of me DAYS after this thread. That's, um, creepy. Yeah. :dead:
You must be feeling the love.:03:
Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't realize you were still talking and thinking of me DAYS after this thread. That's, um, creepy. Yeah. :dead:
Actually I didn't even read your reply until AVG necro'd the thread so get over yourself. You ain't all that.
How the hell can you ppl get 3 pages over a subject like this? :doh:
AVGWarhawk
05-06-09, 12:04 PM
How the hell can you ppl get 3 pages over a subject like this? :doh:
It can grow like this because the reprocussion of doing this over NY city was not the greatest. People panic and run, trample and stomped to get out of buildings. Some pregnant women were rushed to the hospital. Although the towers were taken down years ago, the images are still fresh in their minds. I can only image what they saw and felt on that day. To many, it looked like another attack. Rule now is if an airplane is off course for no good reason or over a no-fly zone an military aircraft is dispatched to pace the aircraft that is either hijack or just plain off course. So, over NY city flying low is a 747 with a military jet following it. It is not a wonder people got upset. So, we have 3 pages of discussion over a darn photo shoot! Hell, they could have photo-shopped the darn plane in for less than the $380,000 spent to do what they did.
AVGWarhawk
05-08-09, 08:58 PM
The $328,000.00 photo, the people running and screaming for their lives, one resignation as a result!
Stimulus...priceless!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05082009/photos/af_photo.jpg (javascript:SLIDES.hotlink())
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