Letter to president

[clayp]

Subject: FW: Letter to our President
April 17, 2009
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington , DC 20500

Mr. Obama:
I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally.

You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America.
You are responsible to the citizens of the United States.
You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth.

I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe? Are you brain dead?� What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century?

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States?

This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage.� Do you not understand this?

Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia. You dont show Great Britain, our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia.
How dare you, sir!
How dare you!

You can’t find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey. You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves.�
Whats the matter with you?

I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you.

You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses.
What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it.

What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members, on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves ?
I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus.
I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer.
You haven't said anything about that.
Who authorized that? I surely didn't !

Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million, not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now.


I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you. I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities.
I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country.
Sincerely,
Every real American

[Max2147]

Does that make me a Fake American?

[Contact]

You are responsible to the citizens of the United States.
You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth.


And yes and no. United states as the leader of nations will never look only what is under her legs. It is natural. Of course he is responsible most of his part in duty for citizens of the US. However this should not mean he has to quarantine himself out of entire world. International politics is not less important than inner..

[Frame57]

:up::up::up: Yes! This is what we get when it is anybody but Bush!

[Morts]

Sincerely,
Every real American




:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:what a load of c***

[Tchocky]

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States?
Might be a start, aye.

[HunterICX]

Ow boy, somebody didnt set his Spamfilter right...:roll:

HunterICX

[Linton]

Counting down to thread closure.....ten...nine...eight....

[Konovalov]

I share the sentiments of those above (Linton, Hunter,Morts, Tchock). Same old boring claptrap here. :zzz:

Quite frankly when you start with the subject heading "Letter to a**hole" then it is obvious that the thread serves little purpose except to start a flame war. :down:

[Skybird]

Thread title is unacceptable.

The rest is malicous polemics.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

http://www.jpwsfc.org/das/DaBG392.JPG

ALAAAAARM

[AngusJS]

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States?


Have you ever bothered to read the Constitution? There's not one mention of god, providence, a creator...nada. The DoI does mention it, but our government isn't founded on the DoI, it's founded on the Constitution.

[Platapus]

Have you ever bothered to read the Constitution? There's not one mention of god, providence, a creator...nada. The DoI does mention it, but our government isn't founded on the DoI, it's founded on the Constitution.

Very true. Especially Article 6 of the Constitution addresses this.

Lets consult another official document. Would you agree that a document signed by the President of the United States and Ratified by the United States Senate is official? That's about as official as a document can be.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

The Treaty of Tripoli. Ratified by the US Senate on 7 Jun 1797 and signed by President John Adams on 10 Jun 1797. Specifically let's look at Article 11 of that treaty (corrected for the spelling of the time)

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This coming from the President (one of the Founding Fathers) and the Senate seems to make its point clear.

Just some history some may not be aware of.

[Tchocky]

Ah, I knew there was a treaty statement about this somewhere. Thanks, Platapus.

[Skybird]

Have you ever bothered to read the Constitution? There's not one mention of god, providence, a creator...nada. The DoI does mention it, but our government isn't founded on the DoI, it's founded on the Constitution.

While the cultural history of Christianity certainly has had influence on America back then and today like it has had influence on the whole western civilisation as well, America indeed is no nation build on explicit principles of Christian religion, or basing on exclusively the Christian understanding of "God". Religious zealots claiming the opposite are either simply wrong when not knowing it better indeed, or are lying intentionally if they know it better for sure. The First Amendement explicitly restricts the lawmaker's options to serve or prefer the interests of any given religious institution, which includes the Christian churches and sects, obviously.

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

If even an atheist and anti-theist like me can live well with these american documents and not feeling challenged or opressed by them, you can feel safe about them. :D just the ignoration of these in later lawmaking, the distoritions added by campaigning sects and zealots - these are the religious things people like me are having problems with. What the United States were meant to be, and what it is today, and has turned into since half a century and longer ago - that are some very different things. Some changes were for the better. Some were for the worse.

[Bewolf]

Curious. And there I thought Obama was finally a US president with a sound reality check of how the world works and that selfhailing and idealizing the US while smashing porcellaine all over the planet has finally been realized as one of the major reasons the US finds itself in such an alien situation in regards to the rest of the world today and that Obama acts accordingly. That an apology is not a sign of weakness, but of confidence, respected whereever the headlines of his actions have been read, outside the US. That it's now Iran and other countries trying to gain advantage of the situation, thus giving the US a lot of credit it lacked over the last 10 years in beeing percieved as morally superiour. And that the US finally realizes that boycotting countries like Cuba isn't exactly doing anything for the US in the future, but quite to the contrary.

But, quite obviously, some folks never bothered to haul themselves into the 21th century.

Must be the US own propaganda of beeing the best nation on earth for half a decade at least now making some people beeing such spoiled brats in regards to international politics nowadays.

[Marinesko]

Platapus beat me to the Treaty of Tripoli, DAMN! (No dishonor being upstaged by a platypus though, one of nature's greatest killers).


I found the "signature" rather funny though- "every real American". Seems like 7 million more Americans voted for Obama, and he obviously had more supporters since there we're talking about registered voters(or people that actually bothered to vote). So maybe folks like that ought to question how they became the "real Americans" somehow. And while I'm pretty skeptical about Obama, I think it should take a little more than three months to get fed up with his administration.

Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia? Please don't tell that guy about the Bush family business. And visiting a Mosque in TURKEY?!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! WHO WOULD VISIT A MOSQUE IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT IS KNOWN TO HAVE SOME RATHER IMPORTANT HISTORICAL MOSQUES?! TRAITOR!!!!!

[Oberon]

http://www.jpwsfc.org/das/DaBG392.JPG

ALAAAAARM


FLUTEN!!

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, the American population understood that Obama foreign relations skills were lacking quite a bit. He appointed Gaffer Joe to be a running mate to counter this. That worked great for the campaign but Gaffer Joe is now the grand Pooba for watching the stimulus money. Then we have Hillary who probably has a bit more than Obama concerning foreign relations but she is busy dodging fictious sniper fire. So, either Obama is doing his own thing, not listening to some coaching concerning these things or he just does not care. Personally, I do not care how he is handling it because he is handing out DVD episodes of Ren and Stimpy show.:up:

[mookiemookie]

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/04/21/tomo/story.jpg

[TDK1044]

I think it's way too early to tell what kind of president Obama will be.

it's interesting though that you can read many of the same criticisms relative to lack of experience if you look at newspaper columns from the early JFK presidency.

Does Obama have what it takes to unite this Country and inspire the leaders of other Countries in order to lead us out of the recession? I don't know. But I do know that this recession is a world problem that requires the leaders of the world actually working together to solve it. Lip service isn't going to cut it this time.

So, for me, the jury is still out on mister Obama. His inexperience certainly works against him, but everyone who find themselves in the same room as him find themselves liking and respecting him.

I think the Europeans will at least give him the benefit of the doubt. It's then up to him to deliver on some of those campaign promises. :)

[SteamWake]

Hey maybe he will write you back!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1536295,CST-NWS-obamasmoke21.article

[ReallyDedPoet]

I think it's way too early to tell what kind of president Obama will be.


This x 10 :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Wet behind the ears...thats all. Let him go, so far with some of the whacked things going on, it ain't all bad. Give him his 4 or more if he earns it.

[Dowly]

...telling Europeans that we are arrogant...

Our President does not bow down to anyone...I rest my case. ;)

[mookiemookie]

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country?

Founding Father John Adams did it back in 1797!

As the Government of the United States of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_States) is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_religion)The Treaty of Tripoli: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

Read. Learn.

[SteamWake]

While I will agree that it may be too early to asses the full impact of the Oministration I urge you to compare where we are now to where we were 90 days ago.

Furthermore I urge you to review Mr. Obama's voting record in the senate (tip .. he was listed as the most liberal senator).

Furthermore lets not forget his past associations with the likes of William Heirs, Louis Ferrikan, Acorn, the ACLU and on and on.

Obama's general outlook does seem to be "Blame America first".

But hey all that is in the past, besides O is 'hawt' and that is what really matters.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-beefc.html

[Tchocky]

Ayers, Farrakhan.

What associations did he have with Farrakhan?

[antikristuseke]

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States?

Treaty of Tripoly, bitch.

[SteamWake]

Ayers, Farrakhan.

What associations did he have with Farrakhan?


Just friends and 'associates' is all. But Obama distances himself from these past associations now.

Like how he threw his former pastor under the bus.

[Bewolf]

While I will agree that it may be too early to asses the full impact of the Oministration I urge you to compare where we are now to where we were 90 days ago.



You mean..today back on the world stage beeing taken seriously again and actually regaining some influence compared to a, 90 days ago, completly impotent Bush government who could not call anybody for support even if it were about life and death after 8 years of complete world alienation and a quonsequent never before seen loss of international authority in the history of the United States?

[Tchocky]

Farrakhan, specifically. What association? What friendship?

[SteamWake]

"Taken seriously again "

LOL all I saw was these despots making Obama their bitch.

So tell me where have we "Regained influence" ?

90 days ago my IRA was worth twice what it is now, 90 days ago my house was worth nearly twice what it is now, 90 days ago we werent in trillions upon trillions of debt, 90 days ago the stock market was still a viable investment.

90 days ago the phrase "Spend our way out of debt" would have seemed absurd.

[SteamWake]

Farrakhan, specifically. What association? What friendship?

Same church

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhan-take-on-whitey/

and this

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html

[Bewolf]

"Taken seriously again "

LOL all I saw was these despots making Obama their bitch.

So tell me where have we "Regained influence" ?

90 days ago my IRA was worth twice what it is now, 90 days ago my house was worth nearly twice what it is now, 90 days ago we werent in trillions upon trillions of debt, 90 days ago the stock market was still a viable investment.

90 days ago the phrase "Spend our way out of debt" would have seemed absurd.

Sorry, I am not Jesus, can't make blind ppl see if they insist on keeping their eyes shut. Else your question about influence would have answered itself at the G20 summit latest.

And, hmm, lemme remember. The financial crisis, eh? Didn't that came into beeing under another president, wasn't there even some fighting erupting between McCain and Obama about crisis management during the election period? Enlighten me, who was Obamas forerunner again, following a policy of building economy on debt? Did you seriously warp your own memories to this degree to fit your agenda?

[SteamWake]

Sorry, I am not Jesus, can't make blind ppl see if they insist on keeping their eyes shut. Else your question about influence would have answered itself at the G20 summit latest.

And, hmm, lemme remember. The financial crisis, eh? Didn't that came into beeing under another president, wasn't there even some fighting erupting between McCain and Obama about crisis management during the election period? Enlighten me, who was Obamas forerunner again, following a policy of building economy on debt? Did you seriously warp your own memories to this degree to fit your agenda?

Well you have your opinions and I have mine. We will leave it at that.

Not sure what part of the G20 was so groundbreaking and accomplished much but maybe I missed it.

As to previous adminstrations I couldent agree more, "affordible housing" :nope:

[Bewolf]

Look it up yourself, I am not here for playing news daily and your last line shows a certain tendency for selective perception anyways

[Tchocky]

Same church

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhan-take-on-whitey/

and this

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html
What exactly are these links supposed to show? Where does it say that Obama and Farrakhan attended the same church?
What associations between Obama and Farrakhan is this supposed to show?

The blog you posted is about a tape that doesn't exist. Even Malkin says so.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/03/where-is-the-purported-michelle-obama-whitey-video/

I don't know what you're inferring from the Boston Globe article, frankly.

[SteamWake]

Obama distances himself from Farrakhan (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html)
(http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_distances.html)

That part.

Oh and on the G20 summit, seriously, the only thing I could find is where China was happy.

"Why'd he".... wow thats good !

[Tchocky]

That part.
What associations between Obama and Farrakhan is this supposed to show?
You said they went to the same church, that's not true.
Where's the association?

[SteamWake]

Oh for Christ's sake just google Obama Farakhan and read some of the 400,000 hits.

I'll just quit bothering now.

Have a nice day. ;)

[clayp]

Some one changed the heading to my post and I really dont appreciate that!!!!!!!!,,,,,I did not right this letter it was sent to me,that is why I did not change the end phrase..How ever I do agree with everything else...:yeah:He is an A**HOLE and the worst thing that ever happened to this country....:wah:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Feel free to send him here, then. We didnt even get to vote when Tony Blair stepped down. Think yourselves lucky you had a say in it atall, pal.

[Marinesko]

Some one changed the heading to my post and I really dont appreciate that!!!!!!!!,,,,,I did not right this letter it was sent to me,that is why I did not change the end phrase..How ever I do agree with everything else...:yeah:He is an A**HOLE and the worst thing that ever happened to this country....:wah:


Actually what they should have changed it to is "Letter FROM an A##hole", then it would be accurate.

How can you be sure that Obama is the worst thing to happen to this country when he has been president for THREE MONTHS? Have you heard of this thing called The American Civil War? That kinda sucked.

[Biggles]

The worst thing that happened to your country was that it was "discovered" by a bunch of european blokes who showed little to none respect towards the natives. (Dark chapter for us europeans...)

And as serveral people here has proved that the letter of yours contains some historical errors, I suggest you make some back up reading before you post something.

Read a book. They're quite good, at least some of them.

And yeah, American Civil War...something to be proud of, you think? I certainly wouldn't be.

[Marinesko]

Oh dear....this is going to get worse before it gets better.

[Biggles]

Oh dear....this is going to get worse before it gets better.

Better? Surely you jest.

[Marinesko]

Better? Surely you jest.

Well at least we have a Swede here to explain to these Chicken-Little types that the welfare state(which the US is not), actually does work, and works pretty damn well. Does it not?

[Platapus]

Better? Surely you jest.

I am not jesting.


And please don't call me Shirley.


:D

[Marinesko]

BTW, about bowing to the Saudi king. I am sure if one looks, you will find a photo of W. Bush doing the same thing. Hell, he was photographed holding some Saudi royal's hand while walking.

Gee, I wonder what the US president does when he visits Japan. Probably BOWS. There is also a photo of Putin doing the traditional bow for the president of India(I believe there is a photo of Bush doing the same somewhere).

It's called respecting the traditions of other countries. It doesn't mean he surrendered US sovereignty to the Saudis, though some times it seemed like Bush did.

[Biggles]

http://republicanvoices.org/bush_putin.jpg

Just look at this! Your former president is shaking hands with Vladimir Putin! SHAKING HANDS! What a disgrace! This must mean that he is a russian orthodox christian! And as such, how could anyone trust him to the post. I mean, religion IS the most important factor when it comes to politics!

:nope:



;)

(you think the above is silly, over the top? Well, I've heard worse...)

[Marinesko]

http://republicanvoices.org/bush_putin.jpg

Just look at this! Your former president is shaking hands with Vladimir Putin! SHAKING HANDS! What a disgrace! This must mean that he is a russian orthodox christian! And as such, how could anyone trust him to the post. I mean, religion IS the most important factor when it comes to politics!

:nope:



;)

(you think the above is silly, over the top? Well, I've heard worse...)

HOLY CRAP!!! Putin's arm is extended even further, indicating that he initiated the handshake and thus established dominance!

I guess I don't need to worry about keeping my Russian visa now that the US has been annexed.

[Biggles]

HOLY CRAP!!! Putin's arm is extended even further, indicating that he initiated the handshake and thus established dominance!

I guess I don't need to worry about keeping my Russian visa now that the US has been annexed.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[clayp]

actually what they should have changed it to is "letter from an a##hole", then it would be accurate.

How can you be sure that obama is the worst thing to happen to this country when he has been president for three months? Have you heard of this thing called the american civil war? That kinda sucked.


can you read sign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ON SECOND THOUGHT LETS BE ABSOLUTLY SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE.........

I may post things that people dont like BUT I have never call anyone on this forum names nor will I ever...If I'm banned for this oh well.....

[Platapus]

http://republicanvoices.org/bush_putin.jpg

And they are both wearing RED ties.

In fact Bush's tie is a bit MORE red than Putin's tie.

Hmmmm :D

[Biggles]

And they are both wearing RED ties.

In fact Bush's tie is a bit MORE red than Putin's tie.

Hmmmm :D

You might be on to something here...also...noticed they're both smiling?!:timeout:

[Platapus]

You might be up to something...also...noticed they're both smiling?!:timeout:

And Bush is smiling MORE than Putin!!!!!!!!!

That has to mean something!!!

Sumptin fishy here :nope:

[heartc]

[...] has finally been realized as one of the major reasons the US finds itself in such an alien situation in regards to the rest of the world today and that Obama acts accordingly.

One of the major reasons is that all the other places, like China, Russia, the Islamist dictatorships and last but not least the EUSSR don't really appreciate the example in freedom set by the US, and never have. Too much freedom of expression and choice is not good for you, comrade. Imagine people would start ticking like the citizens of there. Plenty of bureaucrats, civil servants and dictators jobless overnight!

[SteamWake]

:rotfl:Putin=Chaves :rotfl:

[Enigma]

Ahem! Mouse.

Oh, and the thread will not be closed unless some awful language is used. Subsim, unlike every other information outlet in the world except FOX, does not have a liberal bias. Quite the opposite...

[heartc]

Ahem! Mouse.

Oh, and the thread will not be closed unless some awful language is used. Subsim, unlike every other information outlet in the world except FOX, does not have a liberal bias. Quite the opposite...

In fact the letter is so dumb it doesn't warrant the effort to close this thread I guess. Also, it's still only like 1:100000000 against the equally stupid or maybe even dumber Bush=Hitler threads over the LAST EIGHT YEARS all over "the internets". AFAIK, making everything equal is what the liberals like, so why close it yet? ;)

[Dowly]

Best thread evah!! :yeah:

[geetrue]

Just because Obama wears lipstick ...
doesn't make him a fag :rotfl:

[Kapt Z]

Oh, Man! I was so there! So with the program! Right up to the April 17, 2009....part!:haha:

[UnderseaLcpl]

This is a silly thread, and I approve:up:

[A Very Super Market]

Off in the distance, a band of submarine enthusiasts trudge off.

"Oh, let's not go to subsim. T'is a silly place" :P

[Platapus]

Off in the distance, a band of submarine enthusiasts trudge off.

"Oh, let's not go to subsim. T'is a silly place" :P

Just the General Topics Forum. The rest of the site is still good. :yeah:

[Onkel Neal]

Actually, just the people who post in threads like these.

Closed.