Gov. Rick Perry: Texas Could Secede, Leave Union

[SUBMAN1]

My country's falling apart. Thanks Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

Only difference this time around, if Civil War were to break out, the South has all the weapons this time.

-S

[Happy Times]

Long way to that still, in Finnish news they said it was something like 30% of Texans that think secessions is possibility and only 10% that think they should do it now.

[SUBMAN1]

The seed is planted, and I forgot to mention Louisiana and South Carolina are following Texas.

But the biggest worry is - 30% think they should do it. That's a much bigger number than I would possibly imagine. Almost scary. That means a full 1/3rd of all Texans are done. With all the other BS coming down the pike, it is bound to get much worse.

The only solution to our problems would be either 5 presidents so none could continue to screw up our country single handedly, or a third party to come to power. Nothing else will save us. We are in a downward spiral.

-S

[Onkel Neal]

Oh lord, be serious. Texas ain't seceding. Mexico won't allow it.

[SUBMAN1]

Oh lord, be serious. Texas ain't seceding. Mexico won't allow it.

:D And you know they have all the guns to stop you! They keep saying it on the news or something.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

My country's falling apart. Thanks, Obama.


That's not really fair to say. Obama's role in all this hasn't even become material yet. The only thing he has done really done thus far is to sponsor a budget that will inevitably bring serious economic difficulties.


if Civil War were to break out, the South has all the weapons this time.

And a very healthy share of industry, commerce, and population. Of course, the split might not be strictly along the old lines, though it might be close. The North's vast superiority in material resources was arguably the deciding factor in the Civil War.

The only solution to our problems would be either 5 presidents so none could continue to screw up our country single handedly, or a third party to come to power. Nothing else will save us. We are in a downward spiral.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

[August]

Of course, the split might not be strictly along the old lines, though it might be close.

I don't think so. We're a lot more intermixed and mobile than we were in 1860. I think the next civil war, if it happens, will be fought in every neighborhood and street.

[Max2147]

Meh, a healthy percentage of Texans always favor secession, no matter who the President is. That's just the way Texas is.

Vermont is similar - they've always got some sort of secession movement going on up there.

Anyways, if the South seceded tomorrow along the Civil War lines, I'm not sure the North would be too inclined to fight. The Jesusland joke after the 2004 election was taken somewhat seriously in some circles.

[GoldenRivet]

Personally, i would have absolutely no problem with Texas splitting away from the Socialist Republic of America

[August]

Personally, i would have absolutely no problem with Texas splitting away from the Socialist Republic of America

As an American I would.

[Marinesko]

Texas, please go. Don't teach evolution in your schools, ban anything but Fox News, and put student-led prayer in the schools. Let businessmen run wild, and privatize to your hearts' content. Enjoy your neo-feudal existence.

Polarization problem solved.

[August]

Texas, please go. Don't teach evolution in your schools, ban anything but Fox News, and put student-led prayer in the schools. Let businessmen run wild, and privatize to your hearts' content. Enjoy your neo-feudal existence.

Polarization problem solved.

Says the guy from Moscow... :roll:

[Marinesko]

Correction, the guy that was born in the US, spent most of his life in America, including 3 years in Texas, and only in the past three or so years has been living abroad.

[August]

Correction, the guy that was born in the US, spent most of his life in America, including 3 years in Texas, and only in the past three or so years has been living abroad.


Yeah well we'll keep our state if you don't mind.

[SUBMAN1]

That's not really fair to say. Obama's role in all this hasn't even become material yet. The only thing he has done really done thus far is to sponsor a budget that will inevitably bring serious economic difficulties. This is completely fair, and it almost looks like you haven't been reading the news. This guy has done more damage in 4 months than most presidents can in 4 years!

His Trillions he is dumping has finally put us in debt to a point that has exceeded WWII levels as compared to GDP for the first time ever and probably are impossible to pull out of! The US Government is probably already bankrupt at this point and all our savings are worthless, just that we aren't aware yet. You got your change he was preaching alright, you just haven't seen the full effect yet.


And a very healthy share of industry, commerce, and population. Of course, the split might not be strictly along the old lines, though it might be close. The North's vast superiority in material resources was arguably the deciding factor in the Civil War.
What alarms me is the number of people wanting to succeed. We need to stay whole, but it is obvious that we are not one country at this point.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
That is no joke.

[mookiemookie]

Hah...I love how everyone is speaking for me, a Texan, in this thread. :roll:

[Onkel Neal]

Come back in a few days and they will utterly characterize you (Texans) and all your habits with precision you won't believe ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

Ya,all chew backy and carry six shooters...no:06:

[Onkel Neal]

Ya,all chew backy and carry six shooters...no:06:

:D Ceptin' the wimmen folk, they carry rifles.

[mookiemookie]

Texas isn't seceeding. Governor Rick "Zoolander" Perry is just pandering for the far right vote in his upcoming campaign for governor against Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Before you wingnuts go calling the collapse of the union, you may want to brush up a bit on political theatre as it applies to Texas.

[AVGWarhawk]

:D Ceptin' the wimmen folk, they carry rifles.

I'm guess'n easier to hid'em up under dem'dar skirts:shucks:

[Happy Times]

South has cooler songs so you have my sympathy.:D

Dixie to arms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPVTqWJd28

[UnderseaLcpl]

This is completely fair, and it almost looks like you haven't been reading the news. This guy has done more damage in 4 months than most presidents can in 4 years!
I don't even really disagree with you. I'm just saying that, in all fairness, the Democratic legislature is equally, if not more to blame (and even some Republicans), and Obama hasn't really damaged much yet.
Once the economy is asked to actually absorb the effects of the "stimulus", most of which has not yet been implemented, things will really start to fall apart.


That is no joke.
Not even the "5 presidents" part? Well, in any case I think you are partially correct about the 3rd party part. Historically, though, when third parties begin to gain influence, the main parties shift paradigms to incorporate them and they disappear. I doubt one will come to power, but they might be able to shift mainline party policy significantly.

I don't think so. We're a lot more intermixed and mobile than we were in 1860. That is true, but the nation is still pretty clearly divided along economic-policy lines. It could very well be a case of red states versus blue states, though, as you mention, there will indubitably be cases of localized conflict, whatever happens.

[Happy Times]

That is true, but the nation is still pretty clearly divided along economic-policy lines. It could very well be a case of red states versus blue states, though, as you mention, there will indubitably be cases of localized conflict, whatever happens.

Im one of those that support Huntingtons wiews that it is the cultural differences and boundaries that will result in conflicts. Within US the only clear boundary still goes between the North and South.
California could be defined a Latin culture tough.

[Tchocky]

Texas v White says that Texas can't secede. I wonder if it will be challenged

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZO.html

[Max2147]

The division lines aren't that clear. Here's the 2008 election map by county, with shades of purple instead of red/blue: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymappurpler1024.png (http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Emejn/election/2008/countymappurpler1024.png)

Now try drawing a clear cut line on that map....

Here's the 2004 map, which is very similar: http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/purple_america_2004.gif (http://www.princeton.edu/%7Ervdb/JAVA/election2004/purple_america_2004.gif)

For more stuff like that (including the wacky population distorted maps), check out http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/. We're not as divided as some would like to think.

[Happy Times]

The division lines aren't that clear. Here's the 2008 election map by county, with shades of purple instead of red/blue: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymappurpler1024.png (http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Emejn/election/2008/countymappurpler1024.png)

Now try drawing a clear cut line on that map....

Here's the 2004 map, which is very similar: http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/purple_america_2004.gif (http://www.princeton.edu/%7Ervdb/JAVA/election2004/purple_america_2004.gif)

This isnt an Democratic vs Republican issue. There is an distinct culture in the South still, North is more heterogeneous. In historical perspective the Civil War isnt that far, it and the Reconstruction live in the collective memory.

[August]

This isnt an Democratic vs Republican issue. There is an distinct culture in the South still, North is more heterogeneous. In historical perspective the Civil War isnt that far, it and the Reconstruction live in the collective memory.

You're right about it not being a dem vs repub issue but the old south is a lot more heterogeneous than you think.

[SteamWake]

you may want to brush up a bit on political theatre as it applies to Texas.

But Illonois politics is so much more interesting.

[Happy Times]

You're right about it not being a dem vs repub issue but the old south is a lot more heterogeneous than you think.

I wont start to pretend to be an expert over the Atlantic.:D

I understand there are big black and latino communities but are they integrated or separate? From here it looks communities mostly dont mix down there.

[August]

I wont start to pretend to be an expert over the Atlantic.:D

I understand there are big black and latino communities but are they integrated or separate? From here it looks communities mostly dont mix down there.

Perhaps a southerner could speak with more authority but I don't think they are any more or less integrated than other parts of the country.

[Sailor Steve]

This guy has done more damage in 4 months than most presidents can in 4 years!

His Trillions he is dumping has finally put us in debt to a point that has exceeded WWII levels as compared to GDP for the first time ever and probably are impossible to pull out of! The US Government is probably already bankrupt at this point and all our savings are worthless, just that we aren't aware yet. You got your change he was preaching alright, you just haven't seen the full effect yet.
It's funny. When liberals point to record debts under a Republican president, the first thing the hardcore conservatives scream is "It takes years for these things to have an effect! It's all the last guy's fault!"

A sentiment with which I agree, by the way. In every case. And in this case how much money has actually been spent yet? Or borrowed?

It's funny how the wind blows in different directions depending, not on who's in office, but on how he is percieved by people who claim to have no bias.

[SteamWake]

And in this case how much money has actually been spent yet? Or borrowed?


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/deficit.jpg

[GoldenRivet]

Dont get me wrong guys.... I love America with all my heart. but im sure there was also a time when George Washington loved Britain ;)

But i HATE what she has become, and that is a "socialist / welfare state"

the only problem with socialist welfare states... you eventually run out of everyone else's money.

I for one despise having s lot of the money i work hard for stolen from me and handed to the ghetto trash across the tracks.

I hate walking into a grocery store and some thug has $150 worth of food stamps and two grocery carts.

one of which contains $150 worth of groceries, the other contains $150 worth of beer and wine... its ridiculous.

the numbers Bush and Obama have put up are unsustainable.

Bush started it with his costly warlord agenda... and Obama is going to finish it with his gazillion dollar socialist agenda.

We the people are stuck in the middle of a 50/50 divide in America.

every poll out there that has anything to do with politics is 50/50 or 49/51 and that is a bad thing.

a house divided will surely fall, and thats all there is to it.

its my humble and albeit worthless opinion *as far as most of you are concerned* that Texas should cut its losses and set up shop for its self.

we dont have to be an uber-right wing state of God and Guns... but we wont be paying 15% of our income for crack heads to sit at home either.

i know a lot of you joke about Texas or have nothing good to say about Texas - that we are all gun toting cowboys who live in a state which is predominately desert climate with tumble weeds and we marry our cousins.

im sorry some of you feel that way... perhaps if Texas is no longer welcome in your America- which so obviously belongs to you and only you- we should form our own America?

God Bless America. :salute:

Long Live the Republic of Texas. :salute:

[heartc]

South has cooler songs so you have my sympathy.:D

Dixie to arms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPVTqWJd28

Hehe. Dito.

Also: When a discussion comes up where people would rather live if they emigrated, most say things like Spain, Italy, Cuba (?!), South America.
Then I'm like "Well yes, I would probably take the US."
"Uh, really? Ok."
"Yeah, I'm thinking Arizona, or Texas."
*Pause*
"WHAT?"

I LOVE stupid faces. ;)

[Happy Times]

Hehe. Dito.

Also: When a discussion comes up where people would rather live if they emigrated, most say things like Spain, Italy, Cuba (?!), South America.
Then I'm like "Well yes, I would probably take the US."
"Uh, really? Ok."
"Yeah, I'm thinking Arizona, or Texas."
*Pause*
"WHAT?"

I LOVE stupid faces. ;)

If this Texas thing would really happen...not, i could move also.:D
Im mostly a value conservative, love outdoors, farms, guns and everything considered hillbilly.:shucks:

[Platapus]

Any state has the right to secede from the union. And the union has the right to B-slap them back in place. :D

[Happy Times]

So these Tea Parties are gathering hundreds of thousands of people that are even demanding secession?
This has really not gotten much attention in Europe, it should.

[heartc]

So these Tea Parties are gathering hundreds of thousands of people that are even demanding secession?
This has really not gotten much attention in Europe, it should.

I very much doubt this is serious. I think it's more like a "Don't f*ck with us" in political neon lights, fueled by the economy crisis, but I don't really see the United States breaking up tomorrow or anytime soon. That nation was divided over several presidents already and in today's world with all the interconnected economy / relationships etc. you don't just "secede".

Otherwise Bavaria would have done so since long. ;) :D

[Happy Times]

Any state has the right to secede from the union. And the union has the right to B-slap them back in place. :D

The proposed constitution for EU doesnt allow member states secession without union approval, the legislators have been silent about this towards the people. The way these federal "animals" are born seems similar.

The original US constitution and the men that wrote it seem more enlightened than ever. It would have been a good basis for Europe also.

[Happy Times]

I very much doubt this is serious. I think it's more like a "Don't f*ck with us" in political neon lights, fueled by the economy crisis, but I don't really see the United States breaking up tomorrow or anytime soon. That nation was divided about several presidents already and in today's world with all the interconnected economy / relationships etc. you don't just "secede".

Otherwise Bavaria would have done so since long. ;) :D

It wouldnt meen nothing if the economic crisis wouldnt be this severe, its a pandoras box for internal and foreign crisis for all countries.

[geetrue]

Some small facts left over from Jr High in Waco, Texas ...

Texas reserved the right to split into five states when they joined the union after the war between the states was over. In fact just like the USA Texas was a Republic.

They would swallow a lot of pride in not being the same Texas, but they could rule the US Senate with the additional senators that would then be elected.

Texas has that right :yep:

[Platapus]

Geetrue,

That might work exempt for a little piece of paper called the Constitution. Specifically Article 4, section 3, paragraph 1.

They would need congress' permission and that aint gonna happen. :nope:

Besides, you are assuming that all "five" states would vote the same way.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Texas isn't leaving the union any time soon, even if someone with the middle name of Hussein has the presidency. But viva la resistance!

PD

[PeriscopeDepth]

It's funny. When liberals point to record debts under a Republican president, the first thing the hardcore conservatives scream is "It takes years for these things to have an effect! It's all the last guy's fault!"

A sentiment with which I agree, by the way. In every case. And in this case how much money has actually been spent yet? Or borrowed?

It's funny how the wind blows in different directions depending, not on who's in office, but on how he is percieved by people who claim to have no bias.
Indeed sir.

PD