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Happy Times
04-20-09, 07:00 PM
They are going by force in every state making their name known and introducing candidates for the elections. The silence in the media and the old local parties is noticiable.
The accusations by the Bryssels burecrats about it being CIA funded seem hilarious. Anyone have proof of this?

Their program makes sense to me and seems like the only option at this time to actually have a voice in the Union.



http://libertas.eu/en

Policies

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The Libertas programme for a better Europe will be published on this site in the coming weeks.

What Libertas wants to change to make Europe better for you
Libertas wants democracy: not one European Union law should be passed without a positive vote in the European Parliament. Laws have to be approved, either by a national parliament and or the European Parliament. Laws made by unaccountable, unelected civil servants do not belong to a democracy.

Libertas wants accountability: any person who has the power to decide on a law must be accountable at the ballot box. The citizens will decide if that person’s actions and decisions are worthy of their votes.

Libertas wants transparency: without good reason to do so otherwise, all law making must be done in public.

Libertas wants a strong Treaty: The Lisbon Treaty would ensure that those who govern Europe are even less accountable to the people than they are now. Europe needs a strong treaty. A treaty that is clear to Europe’s people and that is supported at the ballot box by Europe’s people. A short and readable basic treaty, no longer than 25 pages. A treaty that motivates people to read it, understand it and vote on it.

The Lisbon Treaty is bad for the people of Europe
The Lisbon Treaty - both in its content and in how its masters planned to enforce it – would do nothing to bring the European Union closer to its people. Despite earlier promises of referenda from many country leaders, Ireland was the only Member State that asked its people to reject or accept the Treaty. Libertas led the ‘no’ campaign in Ireland. With an unexpectedly high voter turnout, the Irish people rejected the Lisbon Treaty. According to European Union law, this means that the Treaty will not come into power.

The EU does not respect democracy
In an appalling rejection of the democratic choice of the people, the EU has refused to accept that the Lisbon Treaty is dead. Instead the Irish government, encouraged by elites in Brussels and throughout European capitals, want to ask the people to vote again. And this time, they want the people to accept what will be bad for them and bad for the future of the European Union.

Tchocky
04-21-09, 06:56 AM
Ganley gets a lot of money from the US military, Ganley finances Libertas. Not totally, but somewhat.

Speculation by MEPs appears to rest on the fact that Ganley’s company Rivada Networks has telecoms contracts with the US military worth more than €200m (£159m).
He disclosed last week that he loaned €200,000 of his own money to fund the Libertas campaign against the treaty. It is not clear on what terms the loan was given or if it breached rules on political donations.


Despite earlier promises of referenda from many country leaders, Ireland was the only Member State that asked its people to reject or accept the Treaty.
It's a Constitutional requirement here that a referendum be held. Nothing noble or courageous.
Bad idea to hold a referendum here, except on simple yes/no issues.

kranz
04-21-09, 09:27 AM
he came to Poland as well and gathered the biggest scum and morons who where kicked from other parties or who have ultra-nationalist attitude to steal the votes of two main parties b4 the UE election on 07.06.

SteamWake
04-21-09, 09:36 AM
Just the name alone is enough to put me off of them.

Viva la Libertas !

To hell with fidel !

No mas comunista !....

Oh wait :03:

Happy Times
04-21-09, 09:50 AM
Still they dont seem everything they are made out to be.
Having business with US military doesnt make one an CIA agent, the accusations by the EU "elite" seem like an scared reaction.
Im still causious but i recommend people keep an eye out for them, you can allways hope.:D

Libertas Netherlands Launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8yeGMEXzzY

Happy Times
04-21-09, 09:55 AM
Just the name alone is enough to put me off of them.

Viva la Libertas !

To hell with fidel !

No mas comunista !....

Oh wait :03:

They are actually in the right wing and very pro business, thats why im skeptical, thats almost too good in Europe to be true.:haha:

Tribesman
04-21-09, 03:01 PM
Ganley is a ***** as well as being a long established crook with dodgier criminal connections than even Fahy has .
As for his role in the No vote thats very overplayed , everyone I know who voted no thinks Libertas is a joke and so was its campaign .

Happy Times
04-21-09, 03:17 PM
What kind of crimes and criminals is he connected to? Has he been charged or supected of something? Why does he seek media attention for himself by founding a party?

This all seems very strange.

Respenus
04-21-09, 04:04 PM
OK, I knew he was crazy, yet this is starting to turn from funny to a nuisance.

Libertas wants democracy: not one European Union law should be passed without a positive vote in the European Parliament. Laws have to be approved, either by a national parliament and or the European Parliament. Laws made by unaccountable, unelected civil servants do not belong to a democracy.

Here it is lads, the prof that Libertas is mad. No bureaucrat passes laws in the EU. Sure they play an important role in making them, where don't they? There are not only ministers or MPs in politics, think of the countless employed by the government. Sure, I agree the EP should pass all laws, yet that is what other EP parties are trying to get all along and have tried to do so from the start.