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Happy Times
04-19-09, 10:38 AM
A major UN conference on racism looks to be in disarray as more countries confirmed they will not take part.
Australia and the Netherlands joined the US, Israel and Canada in boycotting the Geneva talks. The UK is sending a delegation, but no senior official.
The move is over concerns about anti-Israel and anti-Western bias. Iran's president, who has denied the Holocaust, is to address the meeting.
The talks are meant to review progress in fighting racism since a 2001 forum.
That conference, in Durban, ended in acrimony when Arab countries tried to define Zionism as racism.
UN human rights chief Navi Pillay said she was "shocked and deeply disappointed" by the boycotts.
"A handful of states have permitted one or two issues to dominate their approach to this issue, allowing them to outweigh the concerns of numerous groups of people that suffer racism and similar forms of intolerance to a pernicious and life-damaging degree on a daily basis all across the world... ," news agency AFP quoted her as saying.
Incitement
Less than a day before it is due to get under way, the five-day Durban Review Conference is being overshadowed by political wrangling between western and Muslim nations.
“ Regrettably, we cannot be confident that the conference will not again be used as a platform to air offensive views ”
Australian government statement
The draft final declaration has been causing much heated debate.
It has been watered down, with all references to Israel and the Middle East removed.
However, at the request of Middle East nations, it still contains a clause about the incitement of religious hatred.
Many Western countries see this as a curtailment of free speech.
They are also uncomfortable with the presence of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.
He is the only major leader to accept an invitation to the forum, which he will address.
He has in the past described the Holocaust as a myth, and many UN member states don't feel they should be present if he does this again, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva.
'Abused'
The US state department's confirmation of a boycott late on Saturday was followed by declarations from other western nations.
"Regrettably, we cannot be confident that the review conference will not again be used as a platform to air offensive views, including anti-Semitic views," said a statement from Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith.
The Netherlands declared on Sunday it would not be a party to any attempt for the conference "to be abused for political ends and attacks on the West," Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen said.
A meeting of EU representatives has been called for Sunday evening to evaluate the group's stand on attending, Reuter news agency reported.
However the UK will send a delegation to the conference, but without a high-level official.
It has indicated its diplomats will leave the hall if President Ahmedinejad repeats his attacks on Israel, says our correspondent.
Human rights groups and UN diplomats are dismayed that what should an important event has descended into politics, she adds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8006852.stm
Maybe related to Obama getting elected that the West actually feel they can stand up to this ****e.
The declaration is clearly anti-European decent, probably written by Western apologists tough.
http://www.un.org/durbanreview2009/pdf/DDPA_full_text.pdf
Skybird
04-19-09, 11:25 AM
Rumours got louder in the past two days that Germany also will boycott it. Eventually most if not all EU nations will boycot it, with exception of the British - what they want to say with their split approach by sending a delegationl, but no senior official, heaven may know - I certainly have no sense for such symbolic subtelties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzTA_D5NpU&feature=channel_page
Torplexed
04-19-09, 11:30 AM
Well, it's been 34 years since the UN decided that Zionism is a form of racism. I guess members of this august body are finally catching on to the hijacking of the podium for political and domestic showboating reasons.
http://neptoon.homestead.com/UN-cartoon.jpg
Always loved the MacNelly editorial cartoons..:)
Jimbuna
04-19-09, 03:58 PM
LMAO :rotfl:
Skybird
04-19-09, 04:19 PM
Good one! :lol:
Meanwhile, this evening, just one hour ago, Germany has confirmed it's boycott, too.
OneToughHerring
04-19-09, 04:36 PM
Here's for hoping that in the future a merciless government of superhumans will rise from the past and lead us to a glorious future. :yeah:
http://z.hubpages.com/u/26197_f260.jpg
Happy Times
04-19-09, 04:57 PM
Here's for hoping that in the future a merciless government of superhumans will rise from the past and lead us to a glorious future. :yeah:
http://z.hubpages.com/u/26197_f260.jpg
They are meeting in Geneva, planning the final solution to the Caucasian problem.
Happy Times
04-20-09, 04:29 AM
Little bit dissapointed as Finland wont boycott, they will walk out if antisemitic wiews are expressed tough.
Skybird
04-20-09, 05:56 AM
I translate a comment in a German newspaper, it is spot on.
That Iran'S president Ahmadinejad will abuse the conference as a platform for his propaganda, perfectly illustrates the true character of this event. Since years already, authoritarian regimes in Africa, Asia and Latin America and before all others: the Islamic world, abuse the maxim of "fighting against racism" in order to distract from their own systematic ignoring of most basic human rights, and to put the much hated western democracies in the dock, claiming an alleged rape of cultural and religious rights.
Like the first UN-anti-racism-confernce in Durban 2001, the second meeting in Geneva primarily and before anythign else serves this sole purpose - even if this time no one-sided condemning of Israel and no verbal formulation of "criticism of Islam equals racism" would make their way into the final document. But only just the EU diplomats could counter the Iraniahn intention to see the reminding of the Jewish holocaust being deleted from the draft.
This will not stop Ahmadinejad to repeat his rabble-rousing against the Jewish state and his relativising of the holocaust. what one has to think of the "anti-racism" of Arab states, one learned just short time ago at the summit of the Arab League in Quatar. While one was busy to vie each other in condemning alleged Israeli war crimes, one was giving a warm and wholeheartly welcome to Sudanese dictator Al Bashir who is beeing sought with international warrant. Al Bashir is responsible for one of the worst actual racist crimes today: the genocide in Darfhur that takes place since 2003, (where islamic militias kill black natives of Christian and other faith by hundreds of thousands, Skybird).
"Anti-racism-conferences" like the one in Geneva, where racist crimes are not allowed to be mentioned when they have been committed by states like Lybia, Iran and Cuba, are nothing but a bad farce. The same is true of the human Rights council, who was organising the conference and where the biggest human rights violators of the present are in command, making utter mockery of it. western democracies that participate in such conferences and institutions, by that make acceptable the attempt of anti-western ideologists to reverse the fight against racism into it'S complete opposite.
And from another sources, this short excerpt:
Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said the failure of the EU to agree on a common position was a huge disappointment. "Going there and acting as a silent witness does not pay in the end: you only risk becoming complicit in it," he said.
I want to add that a UN secretary who all to willingly allows himself to be abused for these human-rights-violating, pro-Islamic, anti-Western agendas, and who accepts to be harnessed in front of the wagon of these ideologic arsonists, is neither morally nor intellectually in a position to criticise countries like Germany or the US for not participating in this hoax, and only illustrates what a poor way of thinking he practices when expressing how sorry he feels that these countries have not come. A new low in the respectability of this poor little fella.
Happy Times
04-20-09, 06:16 AM
Nothing is enough for the ones pushing this agenda, West has to surrender unconditionally by opening its borders, denouncing its cultural heritage and redistribute its wealth.
The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans might be smiling for real when observing at this madness.
SteamWake
04-20-09, 08:05 AM
The UN is becomming more and more like Hollywood, sure its fun to watch the people, point at them and laugh, but in the long run they have very little impact on the world.
Max2147
04-20-09, 08:42 AM
Little bit dissapointed as Finland wont boycott, they will walk out if antisemitic wiews are expressed tough.
I actually think this approach might have been more effective for the US and the Western Europeans.
Skybird
04-20-09, 09:03 AM
How's that? The whole show from the very beginning of it's planning by the Human Rights Commission, which also is in the hands of massmurderers, violators of human rights, and islamists, is intended to prohibit any talking about these perpetrators crimes (doing so earns you the label of being a racist and makes them threatening to leave in protest), and exclusively put blame on Western nations and make them accepting breaching of human rights by islamists and third world dictators and making them self-limiting in their free speech , and making them morer submissive to Islamic totalitarianism. The HumanRights commission planned this event, and the Commission is dominated by a strong orthodox-Islamic block, collaborating with non-Muslim nations for they have the same interest: to damage the West and get it'S pieces of cake under their control. What is in that that is worth to be considered to be negotiable? Nothing, rien, nichts, nada. It's all a fake show. And one-eyed good-people and naive hopers for the fairy queen's intervention fall for it, thinking they could talk it all towards the better. Today, in these institutions and on such conferences, any opposition to inhuman ideologies are forbidden and labelled as racism as soon as these ideologies claim to be "culture" or "religion", becoming immediately untouchable that way - all for free, without any value in themselves justifying that. That is the point were any further talking simply becomes absurd - it cannot lead anywhere. This conference does not introduce the kind of audience that you can talk to about freedom and human rights and anti-racism in Westenr understanding - and for example Al Bashir's or Muhabe's understanding of "freedom" or Islam's understanding of "tolerance" I am not willing to consider as being worth to waste time with. Much of this audience in Geneva wants it's own crimes being hidden, and wants to make us, the western civilisation and most free society there ever has been in the history of mankind, vulnerable for their predatory drive into our centre.
So when legitimising this conference by our presence - how could that have any positive reward for us? We only illustrate our naivety and weakness, our willingness to fall back in the face of threat and intimidation. What we would have to say there - does not interest anybody of them seriously.
So do something clever - save the time, get some icecream and enjoy the sunny weather. By that you do incredibly much more to turn the planet into a better world and a more peaceful place than you ever would do by visiting this "conference". It is as much a useful talk and open negotiation as was Chamberlain's visit in Munich. Many of those going to that conference - should be seated in the courtroom in The Hague instead, getting sentenced for life. So stop giving them respectability - they are not going to Geneva to listen to your reasonable contributions to discussion anyway.
It is an anti-Western propaganda coup, nothing else. What you would have to say there - does not interest anybody and will not change anything. A complete waste of time.
Uganda, weganda, theyganda! Hoooly poo I cracked up so bad! :har::haha::har:
Max2147
04-20-09, 11:20 AM
I just think that a walkout sends a stronger message than a boycott. It's a more effective way of protesting the conference.
Skybird
04-20-09, 11:55 AM
Fine, you got your thing: walkout during Iranian leader's speech:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8008572.stm
And now what? Does this change the event? Does it change the Human Rights Commission? Is it now allowed to mention the human rights abuses of Islamic and third world countries? Will Mugabe and Al Bahsir be made objects of discussion? Will the prosecution of cultural minorities in Islamic countries be discussed? Islam's totalitarian egocentrism? The genocide(s) in Africa? Saudi and Iranian-financed terror in the Middle East? The barbarism of now almost pandemically spreading Sharia law? Etc etc etc
No.
When the Iranian has finsihed, the diplomats will come back and continue as is nothing happened, goiving respectability to this whole conference.
Where is the "protest" in that? Where is the effect? As I quoted him, Frattini said: "Going there and acting as a silent witness does not pay in the end: you only risk becoming complicit in it."
Right he is.
SteamWake
04-20-09, 12:05 PM
Yea I see Achmidemanutjob brought them to their feet !
Jimbuna
04-20-09, 12:26 PM
Yea I see Achmidemanutjob brought them to their feet !
LOL :DL
Max2147
04-20-09, 02:19 PM
Fine, you got your thing: walkout during Iranian leader's speech:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8008572.stm
And now what? Does this change the event? Does it change the Human Rights Commission? Is it now allowed to mention the human rights abuses of Islamic and third world countries? Will Mugabe and Al Bahsir be made objects of discussion? Will the prosecution of cultural minorities in Islamic countries be discussed? Islam's totalitarian egocentrism? The genocide(s) in Africa? Saudi and Iranian-financed terror in the Middle East? The barbarism of now almost pandemically spreading Sharia law? Etc etc etc
No.
When the Iranian has finsihed, the diplomats will come back and continue as is nothing happened, goiving respectability to this whole conference.
Where is the "protest" in that? Where is the effect? As I quoted him, Frattini said: "Going there and acting as a silent witness does not pay in the end: you only risk becoming complicit in it."
Right he is.
The walkout got a lot more media attention than the initial boycott. It was a huge embarrassment for the UN, and it would have been even bigger had the US and other prominent countries been there to walk out.
I agree that returning to the conference was a bad move - the countries should have walked out and stayed out.
Skybird
04-20-09, 02:41 PM
Well, we disagree on the worth of such symbolic subtelties, but so be it.
At least due to the boycotting countries, people now ask if there is something even beyond Ahmadinejadh's to-be-expectet eclat that causes the boycott. If there would have been no boycott and only just a walkout, everybody would have blamed the Iranian Fuhrer for it - and no questions beyond that would have been asked, and no essays on page one and no editorial comments would have been written in the news pointing at the hypocritic role of the UN human rights comission, the miserable propaganda show Durban-I had turned into, the presence of thugs and dictators in human rights offices, and the participation of intolerant regimes, and the renewed attempt to ban religious criticism as racism.
That'S why I
a.) think a boycott sends a message while a walkout does nothing, and
b.) do not follow your thoughts.
Dimitrius07
04-20-09, 04:22 PM
Instead to go forward some going backwards:D. Before thise new "Hitler" open his big mouth he should look in what conditions his so called "palestinians" live and work in my country and what kind of education they get.
Well mister, if you want to wipe us of the map, let me remind you what happend to others who tried that in the past. They lost and you will face the same fate.
:):salute:
Happy Times
04-20-09, 04:31 PM
Instead to go forward some going backwards:D. Before thise new "Hitler" open his big mouth he should look in what conditions his so called "palestinians" live and work in my country and what kind of education they get.
Well mister, if you want to wipe us of the map, let me remind you what happend to others who tried that in the past. They lost and you will face the same fate.
:):salute:
It seems that his wish is to finish the degeneration of the ancient state and people of Persia with a mass martyrdom operation.:up:
darius359au
04-20-09, 06:29 PM
Even the UN's High commissioner on Human Rights has condemned the comments http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5511416
Zachstar
04-20-09, 07:59 PM
I just can't believe this actually happened.
This event has only lowered respect for the UN even further. After they let that bozo speak.
OneToughHerring
04-21-09, 02:55 AM
http://www.irancartoon.com/120/holocaust/002carlos-Latuff-%2812%29.jpg
http://www.irancartoon.com/120/holocaust/
Jimbuna
04-21-09, 06:26 AM
I just can't believe this actually happened.
This event has only lowered respect for the UN even further. After they let that bozo speak.
Crikey!!.....talk about self harming/shooting ones self in the foot. :nope:
Show a monkey a tree and you can bet your life it'll climb it :doh:
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