The hunt for last nazis

[OneToughHerring]

Read a couple of interesting news items on the BBC about the hunting of the last remaining nazi war criminals from WW 2. The Simon Wiesenthal organisation is still tracking some nazis who, naturally, are already quite old and in about ten years will be dead. But there are still some that are either alive or have not been confirmed dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7857753.stm

Serge Klarsfeld has also taken part in the nazi-hunts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7858822.stm

[Platapus]

Seems like a waste of time and resources to me. These are old men (assuming that they were 21 years old in 1945, the youngest would be 85 Years old). They are gonna die soon and no longer pose any threat.

War criminals have "escaped" since the start of warfare and the world goes on.

Between Project Paperclip and GehlenOrg (and I am sure other such programs) it is a bit late for the US to be concerned with "hunting" nazis. :nope:

[Schroeder]

@Platapus

It is for the victims sake. Even after all this year it would surely be a relief for the survivors to know that justice was brought to their tormentors.
If they find them they shall sentence them and lock them up for the rest of their lifes even if that isn't that long anymore.

[Dimitrius07]

They are gonna die soon and no longer pose any threat.


"Doctor death" also on the list, you heard what he did? If not find some articles about him. I don`t think thise khm....... "man" diserve to breathe air.

[GoldenRivet]

Seems like a waste of time and resources to me. These are old men (assuming that they were 21 years old in 1945, the youngest would be 85 Years old). They are gonna die soon and no longer pose any threat.

War criminals have "escaped" since the start of warfare and the world goes on.

Between Project Paperclip and GehlenOrg (and I am sure other such programs) it is a bit late for the US to be concerned with "hunting" nazis. :nope:

100 % agree there...

just let it go already :shifty: they will never ALL be found

what would they do, put them in jail for the rest of their lives? (few years)

[bookworm_020]

100 % agree there...

just let it go already :shifty: they will never ALL be found

what would they do, put them in jail for the rest of their lives? (few years)

Well even if they don't succeed in getting them jailed, at least they will be exposed and forced to face there crimes.

It may seem like a lot of effort to go too for a couple of old men, but would it be a good example to set if you can hide for long enough, you can get away with murder???

[OneToughHerring]

If you click the topics above the article ('Most Wanted' etc.) under Right/Wrong? you'll see two opinions about how the money available should be used. To hunt the remaining war criminals or to oppose nascent racist movements. Not up to me to decide but if it was it would be difficult to say which would be a better choice, I kinda understand both views.

And I don't consider the old nazis victims at all, it's about time that criminals were brought to the court and were not allowed to hide behind the uniform like often happens. That guy Aribert Heim was in Finland too during the war, I think I've even walked past the house that he was stationed in. He later became the 'doctor of death in Mauthausen.

[Schroeder]

And I don't consider the old nazis victims at all, it's about time that criminals were brought to the court and were not allowed to hide behind the uniform like often happens.

Just in case you referred to my post with this, I didn't say that the Nazis are the victims. I said they shall hunt them down so that the people who suffered from them (the victims of the Nazi terror) may find some peace.

[OneToughHerring]

Just in case you referred to my post with this, I didn't say that the Nazis are the victims. I said they shall hunt them down so that the people who suffered from them (the victims of the Nazi terror) may find some peace.

No I didn't refer to your post, just thinking aloud really. And I agree, it is because the victims and their relatives demand justice. There are other issues that still linger too, like force labour that was used to build, for example, some of the u-boat pens and other structures, and even worked for some of the companies that still exist. These people are still around too and many have not been compensated in any way.

[Schroeder]

There has been a compensation payment a few years ago. I think people who were forced to work got 10000€.
Half of the money came from the government and the other half from the companies that used forced labour.

[OneToughHerring]

There has been a compensation payment a few years ago. I think people who were forced to work got 10000€.
Half of the money came from the government and the other half from the companies that used forced labour.

Does it cover everyone? And how are the recipients decided? Is it just for German nationals or for everyone? If everyone then that is news to me.

[Boris]

Does it cover everyone? And how are the recipients decided? Is it just for German nationals or for everyone? If everyone then that is news to me.

My grandmother was a Russian forced labour worker under the Germans... for the Wehrmacht I'm pretty sure, because that's where she met my grandfather. I remember she got her compensation some years ago.

[OneToughHerring]

My grandmother was a Russian forced labour worker under the Germans... for the Wehrmacht I'm pretty sure, because that's where she met my grandfather. I remember she got her compensation some years ago.

Ok then. I remember this issue being discussed in the media some time ago and that there were still groups of people who hadn't been compensated yet. I'm glad that there has been progress.

[Schroeder]

Does it cover everyone? And how are the recipients decided? Is it just for German nationals or for everyone? If everyone then that is news to me.
International.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung_%E2%80%9EErinnerung,_Verantwortung_und_Zu kunft%E2%80%9C

I can only provide a German link so far.
Under the topic "Ausstattung" you can see how much money was issued to international partner organisations that transferred the money then to the victims.

[OneToughHerring]

Ok, thank you for the info. Btw, another question although I suppose I really should Google and find the info myself but I'm kinda interested as to what people here know. I don't really speak German although I'm learning so I can't really read German sources. What about the Swiss banks, is that issue still unresolved? I remember that the Swiss banks were for a long time pretty adamant about not giving any info about the wealth stored in them, even if it was derived from the era of the Third Reich.

[Tchocky]

Laws exist so that there are consequences for actions.

Never understood the argument that the age of criminals should be a factor. Makes as much difference as the colour of their socks.

[kiwi_2005]

"Doctor death" also on the list, you heard what he did? If not find some articles about him. I don`t think thise khm....... "man" diserve to breathe air.

Doctor Death who converted to Islam faith drowned in Cairo in the mid 1960's. (so they say)

[Schroeder]

Ok, thank you for the info. Btw, another question although I suppose I really should Google and find the info myself but I'm kinda interested as to what people here know. I don't really speak German although I'm learning so I can't really read German sources. What about the Swiss banks, is that issue still unresolved? I remember that the Swiss banks were for a long time pretty adamant about not giving any info about the wealth stored in them, even if it was derived from the era of the Third Reich.

To be honest, I don't know. I only heard rumours that plenty of Nazi- gold is still stored in Swiss banks.
But as I said that's just something I heard so I don't know whether it is true.

[OneToughHerring]

The Swiss banks had been accused of holding on to Jewish money on accounts that were closed by order from the Nazis, and money stolen from victims of Nazis and then stored there. There was a claim in Wikipedia that not that many Jewish accounts actually exist and that most of the 'locked' accounts were those of non-Jews. But not sure if this is true.

I do remember reading about this guy saving some info about the Jewish accounts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Meili

Doctor Death who converted to Islam faith drowned in Cairo in the mid 1960's. (so they say)

Are you sure about that? If you mean Heim, there are many versions about what happened to him, some even claim that he might still be alive.

Alois Brunner is another mysterious character, said to have resided in Syria for some time he also might still be alive. He was even the target of letter bomb attacks but is said to have survived.

[GoldenRivet]

these old farts wouldnt be the first people to get away with murder :nope:

the list of murderers who never faced charges for murder is surely a long one.

[Dimitrius07]

Doctor Death who converted to Islam faith drowned in Cairo in the mid 1960's.


That was the search team sad anyway. Somehow its not suprise me at all.

[Schroeder]

these old farts wouldnt be the first people to get away with murder :nope:

the list of murderers who never faced charges for murder is surely a long one.
Isn't that one more reason to go after them?