The LoLwaffle Training school

[HunterICX]

LoLwaffle Training school!
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4790/takingoff.jpg

Below you will see the missions, I will add more in time.
We may repeat a mission by request or to improve it when needed.

Training Missions:

#1 : Take off, Form up, Formation flying and Landing -Done
#2 : Group attacks on bombers (armed and unarmed)

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Schroeder, you missed out! :salute:

Great fun, nice spot of formation flying, followed by a lovely group landing by the Hurris, while the Spits filed a large order from Supermarine.

"One of your lot again, trying to land without wheels..."

Second formation flight, the Hurris were treated to the WTF formation by the Spits, who RTB'd shortly afterwards. The Hurris went out to Calais, turned, came back, and made a lovely group landing, just a bit too slow which meant that Oberon BBQ'd and Hunter lost a wing. The good Kapt. made it down alright though.

Afterwards, with Oberon respawning right next to his wreckage (not that far to walk) Oberon and the Kapt. took off on an 'instrument check' while Dowly paid a visit in his Spitfire. Oberon flew through the pylons of a local RDF station, closely followed by Dowly, they flew a few maneuvers, and then Oberon invited Dowly on a trip to London. However on the way there, Oberon demonstrated why more Hurricanes came back during the Battle of Britain than Spitfires, by knocking off Dowlys wing with no damage to his own. :oops:

The group RTB'd then, with the good Kapt. suffering his crash for the day, and that was that. :up:

Great flying chaps :salute:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3125/training1x.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1851/training2.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9738/training3c.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8738/shortwalktorespawn.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8527/landingwithoutwheels.jpg

[XabbaRus]

Sorry guys I was watching Quantum of Solace but will be there for wednesday.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well Oberon with training there are accidents!! HunterIX I suggest that the name Lolwaffles be changed to Royal Air Farce.
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg228/scaled.php?server=228&filename=131i.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480 (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6183/131i.jpg)
But I think the Spits where really trying this.
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg228/scaled.php?server=228&filename=buzzingthefieldbyjim100.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480 (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5982/buzzingthefieldbyjim100.jpg)
Even tough in their case that didn't happen:rotfl::rotfl:

[Task Force]

Ive got lots of nice pics of are spitfires.

The issue I was haveing... ither I was going too fast. or too slow.

And Guess what... I got a crap load of pics to dump on youall. (and I got the dowly and oberon (I think it was you oberon) crash.) Open Gl crashed seconds after it. (I got the shot though.)

[Dowly]

Quick recap of how it went for those who werent there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKPAiZbL5o

[Task Force]

Yea see. we have fun at the spitfire camp. (uploading 22 of the 30+ pics I took. Been trying to narrow down the selection. Still have more to upload.):haha: There is gonna be half in the screen shot thread. will upload the rest later.

[Task Force]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1070803&postcount=2042
First part posted. 11 or 12 left. (some might not be in the correct order.)

2 half of pics.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1070805&postcount=2043

[Raptor1]

Change our name? Change of employers doesn't mean we have to change our name to suit their likings

[HunterICX]

Quick recap of how it went for those who werent there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKPAiZbL5o

:hmmm: I think I may have to redo #1 on wednesday for the spits to do it properly.
(and I noticed I forgot to lock the available aircraft on that base)
just a short recap of #1 before moving to #2

also the groups shall not be larger then 4 pilots,
min 2 pilots, max 4 pilots

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

Did we not do it properly on the 2nd run? (Except for Dowly crashing, that is)

[HunterICX]

Did we not do it properly on the 2nd run? (Except for Dowly crashing, that is)

A small recap can't do any harm can it?
also a bit for the ones that didnt attend to it yesterday.

HunterICX

[Oberon]

:har::har::har::har::har:

Brilliant video Dowly and great pics Task Force, so that's why I hit him, I banked right when I should have banked left :haha:
And that was me buzzing Dowly too :D

Your first landing Task Force just reminded me so much of the scene in the film, The Battle of Britain when the Spit comes in with its gear up and the Landing officer fires a flare to warn him to go around.

"Undercarriage lever a bit sticky was it?"
"Why yes, actually..."
"I wouldn't tell the CO that..."

:haha:

[Dowly]

I'm ok with a recap. The spit flight had some troubles keeping the formation together. So just a simple flight on a fixed altitude with constant throttle would be sufficient. And of course a group landing in the end.

[Task Force]

My issue yesterday...

Ither I was going too fast or to slow when flying in formation.

I was flying raidiators open 80% and Ither raptor was going faster. or slower than I was.:hmmm:

[Raptor1]

I was trying to slow down/speed up to let you people catch up, didn't really work until about half-way through the 2nd try though I think

[Task Force]

Maby flying around the base while we all get up in the air in formation. What do you think...:hmmm:

[Dowly]

Maby flying around the base while we all get up in the air in formation. What do you think...:hmmm:

Depends if we take off together. Much easier for the leader to slow down abit if we take off as a group instead of us trying to form up while the leader is constantly turning.

Leader should only worry about keeping his altitude and throttle fixed (or notify the others if there is a change). The rest can catch the leader on 100% throttle, no need for the leader to slow down. Infact it just makes it more difficult for the rest to match the speed with him.

Ow, I can host the BoB map tonight at the usual time if the Spit guys want get the training done today, if all goes well, we can move on to the group attack stuff tomorrow (or whatever Hunter had in mind). Just a quick 2-3 run session, take off, fly to a spot and return to base, repeat.

[Raptor1]

Sorry, won't be able to tonight

[Dowly]

Sorry, won't be able to tonight

No worries, we'll do it tomorrow then. :salute:

[Task Force]

Yea. Hunter. the spit camp did go alittle upsidedown. (all in the name of fun.)lol:rotfl:

[Oberon]

Yea. Hunter. the spit camp did go alittle upsidedown. (all in the name of fun.)lol:rotfl:

Upside down and over half of Kent :haha:

[XabbaRus]

Not sure if I will make it tonight. Had a funny turn in the shower and collapsed banging my head. Nothing too major, just overly hot shower I think but the doc told me to take it easy. I'll see how I feel round 2100.

[Task Force]

oah... Thats not good Xabbarus.

[Schroeder]

Nothing major? Than you didn't try hard enou... erm... never mind. Hope you feel better soon.:D

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well it seems that I couldn't get a brake tonight. First during one of the formation flights I had half of my wing cut off by Oberon, second I got an He111 that crash landed but didn't explode, and third I found myself doing a flat spin after getting a bit of prop wash from a JU88.

[Kratos]

Aye seems these little things are sent to try our patience @ times :DL

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Oh well stuff happens. BTW I read in the aircraft guide that the Hurricanes have a two stage supercharger, I suggest that we use this.

[Raptor1]

Oh well stuff happens. BTW I read in the aircraft guide that the Hurricanes have a two stage supercharger, I suggest that we use this.

That's only useful if we go to high altitude, which we don't

Also the Hurri Mk. I doesn't have a 2-stage supercharger

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Raptor that is true that doesn't have the supercharger but the type I was talking about was the MKIIb. Here is a quote from the aircraft guide.
"Supercharger speeds should be set to speed 2 in combat or in climb if boost is 2-5 psi below max; otherwise use speed 1. Best performance altitude is between 1,500 and 2,800 meters for speed 1 and 4,500 and 6,500 for speed 2." So we can use stage one of the supercharger at least.

[Schroeder]

I found myself doing a flat spin after getting a bit of prop wash from a JU88.
For what I know there is no prop wash from other aircraft in this game.:hmm2:

[Dowly]

For what I know there is no prop wash from other aircraft in this game.:hmm2:

I think so too. :hmmm: IIRC, this is one of the new features they've talked about for BoB:SoW.

[Oberon]

Ah, so that's what I did to you. Once again, my Hurricane didn't even get a scratch.
It would seem, however, that they are only invincible against other Hurricanes because the He-111 took my wing off quite nicely :yeah:

'Repeat please!' :salute:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

For what I know there is no prop wash from other aircraft in this game.:hmm2: Well what happened was that I turned to port after shooting up a JU88s port engine and the suddenly went into a stall and then into a flat spin. Even if prop wash isn't modeled in-game it sure seemed like an effect of prop wash.

[Raptor1]

Raptor that is true that doesn't have the supercharger but the type I was talking about was the MKIIb. Here is a quote from the aircraft guide.
"Supercharger speeds should be set to speed 2 in combat or in climb if boost is 2-5 psi below max; otherwise use speed 1. Best performance altitude is between 1,500 and 2,800 meters for speed 1 and 4,500 and 6,500 for speed 2." So we can use stage one of the supercharger at least.




The Supercharger is on Stage 1 by default

As for the 88s, I found that shooting them in the middle of the wings ignites their fuel tanks way faster than blasting their engines would, try it

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

The Supercharger is on Stage 1 by default

As for the 88s, I found that shooting them in the middle of the wings ignites their fuel tanks way faster than blasting their engines would, try it I will. Also did you know that you can kill enemy gunners and pilots by setting the Highgore to 1. But backup the orginal config file just in case.

[Dowly]

I will. Also did you know that you can kill enemy gunners and pilots by setting the Highgore to 1. But backup the orginal config file just in case.

You can kill pilots & gunners with highgore=0, setting it to =1 only affects the graphics i.e. the pilot/gunner is leaning forward when dead.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

You can kill pilots & gunners with highgore=0, setting it to =1 only affects the graphics i.e. the pilot/gunner is leaning forward when dead. Oh I see, I really didn't know that with highgore=0 you could still kill the enemy gunners and pilots, but with highgore=1 you do have a better chance of knowing who got killed. Raptor1 I tryed your suggestion and this happened.

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg168/scaled.php?server=168&filename=571e.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480 (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6900/571e.jpg)
And for the heck of it two screenshots with highgore=1 on.
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg168/scaled.php?server=168&filename=581k.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480 (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6281/581k.jpg)
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg168/scaled.php?server=168&filename=591a.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480 (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6757/591a.jpg)
On the HE111 it seems that if you kill the top gunner, you also have a really good chance of killing the pilot!!!:hmmm:

[Raptor1]

Yeah, on certain planes there are blood effects and the pilot keels over, it's actually really useful for determining whether you killed the pilot or not (Was a point when we ran the Belgium campaign where I chased a Hurricane for 5 minutes only to figure out that the strange spiraling downwards was the result of a dead pilot

[XabbaRus]

Well XabbaRus has been cleared fit for action on Friday unless someone is going up tonight..

the vampires at the clinic took a lot of blood though.

[Schroeder]

Well what happened was that I turned to port after shooting up a JU88s port engine and the suddenly went into a stall and then into a flat spin. Even if prop wash isn't modeled in-game it sure seemed like an effect of prop wash.Sounds to me as if you just had pulled a bit too hard. Looks like a normal stall with wrong recovery technique. In a stall go to idle throttle, centre aileron and elevator and give full counter rudder until the spinning stops. Wait for the plane to pick up speed again and then you should be good to go again.
A prop wash does not push you into a stall it makes your plane go bumpy but that's all (At least according to the glider pilots at my local airfield who sometimes get towed into the air behind a propeller driven plane.)

BTW
The blood soaked cockpits only work on a few older aircraft. Most aircraft have no blood modeled for them (unless some mod changed that). :yep:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Schroeder, you might be right that I pulled too hard, the other problem was that I know the way to recover from a flat spin but it requires a lot of space between the plane and the ground and I didn't have that space. In other words if you flat spin at low alts your as good as dead.

[Fincuan]

In some aircraft, such as all P-39s, counter-spin rudder isn't enough 99% of the time. You'll need counter-spin rudder, pro-spin ailerons and stick forwards.

[XabbaRus]

I though for most aircraft anti spin is aileron into the spin, rudder against the spin and donw elevator.

Of course the P-39 just flat spins.

[Fincuan]

Yeah that's what I thought too, but before I posted that I went ingame and tested it. Surprisingly it really is pro-spin ailerons.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I just practiced recovering from flat spins with the Hurricane MK1. The way to recover from a flat spin is zero thottle, rudder against the spin and elevators down, do not use the aileron in a flat spin as they are useless as there is no airflow over the wing. Keep in mind I was doing this at a starting altitude of 7500 meters.

[Fincuan]

do not use the aileron in a flat spin as they are useless as there is no airflow over the wing.

Hey this is Olegworld, not real life. Ailerons are absolutely necessary when trying to recover from a spin with any P-39. Like a magical "get out of spin device". Using solely the rudder will not help with P-39s.

[Schroeder]

Well, from what I know the ailerons should not be used in recovering from a stall (at least in real life...).:stare:

I might not be there tomorrow, we have a meeting at our local airclub and I don't know how long this will go.:yawn:

[Fincuan]

I just ran some more tests on the subject:

P-39D-1 with 75% fuel, Crimea map, noon, throttle 0% and pp 0%

I flew level at 2000 meters with the above settings, and when speed dropped to 190 km/h IAS I pulled back on the stick hard. When it stalled I centered the controls. Every time the aircraft entered a clockwise flat spin. I started the recovery actions after waiting 5 seconds. Recovery altitude, when that happened, was always between 850 and 650 meters.

Test 1: full counter rudder and stick forwards
Recovered 2/6 times

Test 2: full counter rudder, stick forwards and ailerons pro-spin
Recovered 6/6 times

[Task Force]

Im not going to be there ither tomorrow. (95% sure.) Probably gonna go to the Movies.:yep:

[Dowly]

Have to pass tomorrow's flight too.

[Task Force]

wow. The spit flight is gonna be MIA tomorow.:rotfl:

[Dowly]

That's because we passed our training, so we got weekend passes. The Hurricane squadron will be handling the latrine duty. :O:

[Schroeder]

Test 1: full counter rudder and stick forwards
Recovered 2/6 times

Test 2: full counter rudder, stick forwards and ailerons pro-spin
Recovered 6/6 times
Something new every day.:yeah:
(although I'm still pretty sure that you don't touch the ailerons in a stall in real life flying...)

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Hey this is Olegworld, not real life. Ailerons are absolutely necessary when trying to recover from a spin with any P-39. Like a magical "get out of spin device". Using solely the rudder will not help with P-39s. In my case I was flying the Hurricane MK1 not the P-39. The flat spin that I first brought up was while I was flying the Hurricane MK1. The result of the test that I did was for the Hurricane and nothing more.

Who all is flying tommorow?

[Schroeder]

Today I watched one of our official pilot instruction videos at the airfield and there they said what I already said: in a stall give counter rudder and centre the stick.
Odd that you need to do something with the ailerons in Il2.:hmmm:

@Fin
Do you give full ailerons or just a bit?

[Oberon]

Some screenshots from the last couple of Lolwaffle/Royal Air Farce training missions, involving attacks on unarmed and armed Ju87, He111 and Ju88s, and ground attack missions with Tempests and P-47. Oh, and one screenshot from the Biggin Hill campaign test on Friday where we all died...painfully XD

Raptor digs to Russia
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6215/25032009215540.jpg

Kratos attempts to gun a 109 before it takes off
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8908/27032009225352.jpg

Hunter is a little heavy on the brakes...
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/862/30032009215246.jpg

The transfer station/railyard thingy, just about to get strafed
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6092/30032009224134.jpg

Yeah...that went well...
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3194/30032009225117.jpg

Royal Air Farce Tempests in formation
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3476/30032009225636.jpg

Royal Air Farce Hurris on the attack over France
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3677/royalairfarce.jpg

Landing safely at Detling, guidance to land thoughtfully provided by the wreck of a He-111 that Red Max had shot down
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9664/raf2.jpg

[Kratos]

:yeah: regarding pic 2, I like the way you said attempting to gun down.....what happened after that, nobody really wants to know what happened :O: OK!! I lost control and tried to plough a new potato field :cry: anyways sorry about the lack of communication tonight, ie: blue channel Schroeder/Dowly/Xabba The best part of a botle of bushmills and a few beers kind of makes your tongue go a bit numb :03:

[Fincuan]

Nice strafing run Kratos :D

You're flying for the Japs if we ever fly in Pacific.


@Fin
Do you give full ailerons or just a bit?

Full ailerons.

I was very surprised that it actually works, but as you can see from my tests it clearly does, at least with the P-39. I didn't really bother to test this with anything else since they rarely go into a spin from which you can't recover normally(aka the instructional video way). At least I'll be hopping on the P-39 much more often now, since a spin isn't an automatic death sentence anymore. On public servers you could even use it as an evasice maneuver, since everyone thinks "That guy won't recover" and leave you alone. :haha:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Yeah its true, we got murdered flying the two missions in the Biggin Hill campaign. In the first mission we got shot down by FW-190s, me thinks we should have stuck with the other spits.:hmmm: We might of lasted longer if the AI could have shot it up with each other first. In the second mission myself, Hunter, and Oberon flow Mossies to Calais to take out some ships and the near-by airfield. I got a ship, Oberon tryed to get a ship but missed, Hunter got some planes and a couple of hangers. Unfortunatly I belive that the explosion caused by the ship I sank woke up the flakpanzer crew :damn: cause promptly afterward me and Oberon where on the bottom of the Channel. Hunter got shot down by the airfield aa and was scattered over the French countryside and Kratos became a POW. Todays flight wasn't bad, a few of us got something(even the spitfires!!). It seemed the Oberon had some trouble with the Tempest:rotfl:. And I went KABOOM near the airfield we attacked, whoops:doh:.

Oh can we use both the Beaufighter and the fighter bomber Mossie in the next mission?:yeah:

[XabbaRus]

Spitifires are useless against He-111s I ploughed a full load of ammo into one and was getting hits and the most I could do was kill the rear gunner and make his engines smoke.

Ground attack sortie was better. P-47 is good though I over egged a move and crashed.

The second sortie I managed to bag a few planes and flak guns.

Looking forward to the Beaufighter, my favourite strike plane.

[Raptor1]

I would sure like to fly a Mossie, favorite ground-attack after the Henschel Panzerknacker at the moment

[Schroeder]

For ground attack I settle with everything but the Mossie. For some reasons I always die in that thing.:o
Give me a P47, a Tempest or a Beaufighter.:cool:

[HunterICX]

Convoy attack - Beau's

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

For ground attack I settle with everything but the Mossie. For some reasons I always die in that thing.:o
Give me a P47, a Tempest or a Beaufighter.:cool:

Good planes reject bad artists when they try to pilot them

[Schroeder]

Is that why you have so much trouble in fighters?:O:

[Raptor1]

Is that why you have so much trouble in fighters?:O:

Fighters don't know whats good for 'em

[Oberon]

Didn't have so many troubles on the first attack run, in fact, if I recall correctly, I was the only one that didn't get splattered by Archie :smug:
Knocked out a couple of planes on the ground and strafed that transfer station thingie, then RTB'd out of ammo as Red Max came in on his second run. Flipped on landing rather than go into the trees. (we need a bigger airfield, Biggin Hill perhaps?).
Second group take-off involved Hunter going into the trees and me following him, well, I survived the trees, clipped the ground, caught fire and bailed out, faceplanting the ground while my plane exploded into little pieces. It was quite funny to watch, hope someone got some footage :DL
After that, we tried again, and I pulled up just a little sharp whilst taking off and spun to the left and into the ground. The Tempest sure has a pull on her, she drags to the right something cronic on take-off and if you don't watch out once you're in the air, she'll spin out. You can only really relax your hands once you're above 500m and 400kph. :o We're not flying Hurricanes anymore! :haha:
So, we formed up and made our way back to take out the rest of the Archie, I got one on the first pass and was doing a lovely climb and bank around to nail a second which I spotted opening up (I was impressed at this point at the Tempests maneuverability, if I had tried that in a Hurricane or perhaps even a Spit, I would have probably stalled and spun into the ground) when he got a lucky shot on my rudder controls, so I shot what I could at him rocket wise but I think Hunter nailed him, after that I RTB'd into the trees.
Next time I go to Lympne, I'm taking a chainsaw... :shucks:

[Oberon]

Oh, and who was it in the Spit wing who I buzzed? :yeah: I thought I'd show the flyboys what a real aircraft looked like and flew straight through the middle of their formation with my Hurri :haha::rock:

[HunterICX]

Yeah, I will move the airbases to larger ones.

M#3 was in Beta stage.

I will make the enemy airbases a bit more realistic, building something like that is time consuming :dead:

+Truck convoys going from place to place
+trains

for M#4:

Convoy attacks done by Beaufighters.
2 parts.

1st part:
Merchant convoy with some Destroyer escorts

2nd part:
Taskforce a fair amount of Destroyers, and ofcourse a KMS Generisch

HunterICX

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

What size taskforce are we talking about here Hunter? I hope its a small one, cause if its a big one we'll be in the drink before we drop our fish!! Also are we flying the Beaufighter Mk.21 or the Beaufighter Mk.X?

[HunterICX]

Taskforce size,

I think 1 Capital Battleship surrounded by 5-6 Destroyers...
blue group and red group have to work together to do maximum damage to this one.

We're using the modded Beaufighters Mk.X iirc.
it can carry 1 torp and rockets at the same time so its perfect for these attacks.

HunterICX

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Taskforce size,

I think 1 Capital Battleship surrounded by 5-6 Destroyers...
blue group and red group have to work together to do maximum damage to this one.

We're using the modded Beaufighters Mk.X iirc.
it can carry 1 torp and rockets at the same time so its perfect for these attacks.

HunterICX Sweet I was hoping to use the Mk.X because of its many diffrent outloads. It would a good idea if those who are out of ammo, to fly around the taskforce to draw fire from the ship so the attacking planes have a better chance of surivial. Like what I did with Oberon yesterday with the He-111, I flew over it to give the gunners a target while he emptied his guns on the enemy plane.

[Schroeder]

If there are 5-6 destroyers that wouldn't be a good idea (=suicide). We should join our squads and attack together. Everyone picks a destroyer to attack and after the rockets/torpedo are gone we move away as low and fast as we can, turn after we are out of AAA range and RTB to reload and take out the BB.
Better suggestions are welcome.:salute:

[Task Force]

Yea, during the task force attack, were probably all gonna end up like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Zwyht2JkE&feature=related

Those flak guns are gonna rip us to peices.:lol:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Oh well, something tells me that we'll wind up crashing anyways with or without the aid of flak. Also I've been wondering has anyone figured out the map that we have been flying in? Cause I know!!!:cool:

[Raptor1]

Oh well, something tells me that we'll wind up crashing anyways with or without the aid of flak. Also I've been wondering has anyone figured out the map that we have been flying in? Cause I know!!!:cool:

Wut map?

[Schroeder]

Oooopppssss. I stand corrected on the aileron issue. I've now watched a second "what to do in a stall" training film (one from the Nazi time:o) which was on the DvD too and there they said that ailerons applied into the spin direction might help in recovering.

[Dowly]

I think I always have my rudder & ailerons pointing to the direction of the spin. You know, to kinda "take control" of the spin by turning that way, get control of the spin and you can stop it by just centering the controls.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Wut map? Its CanonUKs Battle of Britian map, the beta version. If the beta version looks this good imagine what the final version will look like!

[Raptor1]

Its CanonUKs Battle of Britian map, the beta version. If the beta version looks this good imagine what the final version will look like!

Ah, you meant that. yeah, I knew it was that one already

[Oberon]

Fun flight last night. First the nuclear April Fools :shucks: Then I discovered that Tempests have sidewinder missiles, much to Task Force's surprise :D

[HunterICX]

Well, I will modify that mission a bit more

I will cut down on the flak guns, modify the Rate of Fire of the VIIC in the harbour.

add more ground vehicles.

and I will add 3 planes to be flown.

Base #1

P47 (all variants)
P-38 (All variants)
A20 ( ''G'' variant)

Base #2

Tempest (all variants)
Mosquito (all variants)
A20 ( ''G'' variant)

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

Are we going back to campaign flying any time soon? I mean the BoB map is all right but somehow I'm missing a real sortie.:wah:

[HunterICX]

Are we going back to campaign flying any time soon? I mean the BoB map is all right but somehow I'm missing a real sortie.:wah:

:stare:whiney German!
I thought germans like to practice their elite skills and experience.

alright then....for Friday if everything goes alright I shall launch Sortie number 1 of the Biggins Hill campaign.

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

We will die horribly.

[Task Force]

Im about to upload a sh** load of pics in a little while of last night.:up: 31pics.:o

[Oberon]

Im about to upload a sh** load of pics in a little while of last night.:up: 31pics.:o


:yeah: Look forward to them :D

[Task Force]

And there up.:up:

[Oberon]

Sorry if I wasn't that co-operative tonight guys, had a crappy day and just wanted to relax a bit. Hence the 'wild weasel' flight idea. Eh well...

Oh, Xabba...this is for you :yeah:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9871/06042009224443.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2159/06042009224543.jpg

I think if you'd carried straight on I wouldn't have hit you, as you turned right you slowed down too much for be to be able to react and, wham.

Still, that makes us equal for your incident with the 109 :timeout:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well I think I'm going to scrap my "Cookies for Calais" idea seeing as how hard it is to get a Mossie with a 4,000lb bomb up in air. I think I'll stick with the FB Mossie or something else. Oh and can we try a night mission with the ground attack planes on Wendsday if there is enough time?

[Raptor1]

Well I think I'm going to scrap my "Cookies for Calais" idea seeing as how hard it is to get a Mossie with a 4,000lb bomb up in air. I think I'll stick with the FB Mossie or something else. Oh and can we try a night mission with the ground attack planes on Wendsday if there is enough time?

We managed to get the blockbusters to Calais by taking off very carefully

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

We managed to get the blockbusters to Calais by taking off very carefully I'll try practicing taking off in that version soon, I wonder how mush difference there is on takeoff with and without that 4000lber.

[Oberon]

I'll try practicing taking off in that version soon, I wonder how mush difference there is on takeoff with and without that 4000lber.

Take half the fuel you'd normally take and use the entire length of the runway. Worked for me and Raptor, but then they hit the invisible trees, and I alt tab'd out of IL2 to turn up the teamspeak volume, thinking that the level stabiliser would save me, but it put me in the invisible trees with Raptor and Xabba. :har:

[HunterICX]

hehe, we where wondering what happend over at the red camp

Oberon Crashes
red Max Crashes
Raptor1 Crashes

:hmmm:

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

I never hit this invisible trees....

[Schroeder]

Try harder.;)

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Take half the fuel you'd normally take and use the entire length of the runway. Worked for me and Raptor, but then they hit the invisible trees, and I alt tab'd out of IL2 to turn up the teamspeak volume, thinking that the level stabiliser would save me, but it put me in the invisible trees with Raptor and Xabba. :har: Oberon I managed to get the "Cookie Bomber" with the full fuel and bomb load off of that airfield we've been flying out of (Kenley I think it is) has at one end of the long runway has the hill with invisible trees and the other end (the end where we were taking off from) has no invisible trees. Biggin Hill is more suited for the "Cookie Bombers" as it has a much longer runway, but that is currently being used by the blue group, so unless the groups change airfields, us Mossie pilots will have to stick to what we've got. Raptor1 was right about having to use the brakes during take off!!

[Raptor1]

Well, at least I'm glad I contributed to the immense success of the Blue wing's last sortie :O:

Now we only need the Lancaster and the 12,000lb blockbuster bomb and we're set

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Now we only need the Lancaster and the 12,000lb blockbuster bomb and we're set No what we really need is the Lanc with the 22,000lb Grand Slam bomb. Give me that and there won't be any Calais left!!!

[Schroeder]

I think the modded Mosquito is still quite buggy. Just look at your RPM gauge on take off and you will see why you have such a hard time to get it airborne. You simply don't get full power (RPMs) until you have reached a certain airspeed. Besides I think the modded version is also over sensitive to elevator movements.

[HunterICX]

I wont be flying tonight.

a bit too tired so don't feel like flying this evening.

also, I will skip aside the training and replace it with the Biggins hills sorties.
I hope the bit training we had as far it goes with the fighters will help in the campaign missions.

We will resume a bit of training when required.

also I'm going to modify the Biggins hill campaign even more.
I shall modify an fair amount of aircraft to take offs and lock the ones that have a air start to AI only.

HunterICX

[Kratos]

I wont be flying tonight.

What!!! http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/asleep.gif :03: Ah well it'll give me a bit time to set this bloody rig up, been threatening to do it since last week. :salute:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well there goes my practice flying the "Cookie Bomber"!!! Seeing as how Hunter won't be flying tonight is someone else going to host the server then? Just a suggestion how about we swap the schedule around i.e instead of flying practice missions on Monday and Wednesday and doing a sortie on Friday, how about Monday and Wednesday we fly the Biggin Hill campaign and on Friday we do practice. Seeing as how practice is turning more into comic relief than anything so its a chance to let off some steam from the campaign. But its just an idea.

[Task Force]

So... can someone else host like red max said. (Xabbarus maby could.)

[Task Force]

So im guessing no ones hosting tonight...

[XabbaRus]

I'm on ts now I could host if enough turn up.

[Kratos]

Bit busy tonight, but have fun if you do get up:salute:

[Task Force]

Was at TS before you showed up Xabbarus. Left about 4:29 my time.

[Task Force]

What are we doing tonight? training or campaign? (and which planes...)

[Oberon]

AFAIK we're at Biggin Hill tonight.

[Task Force]

rgr, just wanted to make sure.:up:

[Kratos]

Cant make it tonight, speakers went kapoot (when my missus dropped them) :cry: and i refuse to use the built in speakers on the monitor.

[Schroeder]

Guys, what's wrong with us?
For some time now it is always taking us ages to get a sortie started. I mean, what is so difficult about to select an aircraft, read the briefing and hit the fly button? Does this always have to take 35 min.? I'm actually losing my patience and I think I will take a break from Il2 for some time.

[HunterICX]

Don't look at me, I'm the one who clicks ready as last.
because if I do it before if anything happens (connection loss) or someone reconnects because he wants to check his load out again or wants to switch it he wont be able to reconnect because when I'm ready the server locks itself for new players.

you either have to deal with it or
I can turn German-mode which would mean:

-I will wait for all the players on Teamspeak to be on the server and confirm that by selecting the aircraft when that happens I check my aircraft's load out and click ready by this if ANYONE disconnects for ANY reason he's out.
-I will not tolerate Smoke breaks before the 1st sortie (a smoke break between a sortie is fine we can all use the little break to refill our glasses or something) if your smoking before the 1st sortie expect to be kicked.
-I will kick you if your taking to long to click ready as well, as soon I see you have selected your aircraft its the moment where I click ready and I estimate that the average player would need 1 min to confirm his load out.

if something cuts in between, phone call, the misses is calling or the baby is crying and you don't know how long you'll be away...just disconnect and join in the next sortie.

so its either the long delay or me turning German Mode ON
your pick.

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

This wasn't directed at anyone specific. Just a reminder to ALL of us to get our acts together.:-?

[Task Force]

I say we take 10 to 15 mins max when in the breifing screen.:yep: But if someone has issues, I understand.

[HunterICX]

Well,

I won't be hosting flights for the next 1 or 2 weeks.
going for my Motorbike license requires me to attend to driving school after work so I either be late or not feel like flying after it.

if someones wants to take over the Hosting I managed to pack my Biggins hill files into a zip having the missions Online Co-op ready so you can at least continue.

Note:

Installing is just a matter of copy&paste the folder into your
IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\Missions\Net\coop

There are NO mission number #12 and #18 as these 2 missions only contained 2 Red aircraft. the rest at least contained 4 aircraft.

Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmjnymdieok/BH%20Coop.rar

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

TRAI...

...Ah, I see, Hunter wants one of these

http://www.eaglehorse.org/3_home_station/history_daley_barracks/history_part_1/krad%20sidecar%20with%20mg.jpg

I though he was more of a tank person...

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Good luck in getting your motorbike license Hunter. I'm going to be out of action as well due to a really nasty cold, its hard to fly with your eyes closed. Best of luck to you guys who are going to be flying, if you fly mission one try not to get your bum blown out of the blue!!! Possibly I will join the server if whoever is hosting has the exturnal view on so I can be ground control.:D

[Raptor1]

So, does anyone else volunteer to the dangerous job of host while Hunter is off learning to drive halftracks?

[XabbaRus]

I'll host tonight....

[Oberon]

I might not be on tonight, see how it goes. :salute:

[Kratos]

I wont be there tonight.

[XabbaRus]

OK I will host for the next two weeks. If I can't make it I'll let you know.

[XabbaRus]

Red MAx and I are online waiting to see who turns up

[Schroeder]

Hello guys,
as I said I'll take a little break from Il2. Maybe a week or so for "recreating".

[Kratos]

Hello guys,
as I said I'll take a little break from Il2. Maybe a week or so for "recreating".

Recreating What!!! More bloody Jarmins :03::O:

I'll be back as soon as i sort a few issues out.:salute:

[Schroeder]

Recreating What!!! More bloody Jarmins :03::O:

I'm afraid that isn't possible, Honey. Unless you can get pregnant. We have a full week now just for us... I'll be with you in just a few hours. I hope you are in good physical condition.http://www.smilevalley.de/smileys/Liebe/116.gif (http://www.smilevalley.de)





http://forum.team-ingame.de/images/smilies/sofa.gif

[Raptor1]

Schroeder (If that's really him) is obviously involved in a shady plot that will prevent him from spying on us in the following week

He probably arranged for Hunter to be "transferred" so he can do whatever it is without fear of missing important information being transferred

I have concluded that this is a conspiracy that goes up to the highest levels of power, action must be taken!

[HunterICX]

Ehh....what:o

*reaching for the lock button*

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Schroeder yuk!!!!!!!!!!!

Half German half Kratos, that would be an abomination on the world.

You do know I can yello card you for that....

[Kratos]

FFS slap me with a kipper!! dat dere Jarmin IS getting a sense of humour:O:

one time i fly with him in a bomber and he's making inuendos :DL must have been my aftershave lotion. :rotfl:

[Kratos]

Half German half Kratos, that would be an abomination on the world.
Hey i resemble that remark :O:

[Schroeder]

Half German half Kratos, that would be an abomination on the world.

Well that would be a Krautos then.:D

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well it was just me, XabbusRus, and Raptor1 tonight. We flew a dogfight cause no-one eles showed up, so we all attempted to blow each other out of the sky which more often than not resulted in us crashing into each other. The flight ended with Raptor1 and XabbusRus doing a "Panzernaker" duel which just resulted in more crashing:rotfl:. Before that Raptor1 and myself had our own duel with me flying a little japanese plane and Raptor flying the "Panzernaker". The result of this duel was Raptors plane lost an engine and the other one was dead and some control surface damage, then he tryed to crash land on a frozen river with the gear down. My plane took quite a few hits too, but was more heavly armoured considering it was a Japanese plane I was flying I made it back to my base intact.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8614/141d.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8614/141d.jpg)
Heres a screenie of the damage that Raptor caused to my plane.

[Raptor1]

I did not try to crash-land, I tried to make you run out of ammo...which almost did work out too...

You just suffered minor damage from MGs, if I hit you with the BK 7.5 you would have disintegrated

Oh, BTW, it's 'Panzerknacker'

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I did not try to crash-land, I tried to make you run out of ammo...which almost did work out too...

You just suffered minor damage from MGs, if I hit you with the BK 7.5 you would have disintegrated

Oh, BTW, it's 'Panzerknacker' If you had shot at me I would have disintegrated is true. But as for the making me run out of ammo part, if you had survived your landing I would have kamakized you if I had no ammo left!!!:D

[Raptor1]

If you had shot at me I would have disintegrated is true. But as for the making me run out of ammo part, if you had survived your landing I would have kamakized you if I had no ammo left!!!:D

You're confusing that with another fight, I got killed in the air with my gears up

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

You're confusing that with another fight, I got killed in the air with my gears up How many times did that happen?:rotfl:

[Task Force]

Sorry I couldnt make it tonight. wasnt feeling up to it. (looking foward to next flight.)

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Well I won't be flying tommorow, I'm going to be practicing my sharpshooting with my old .22 Winchester instead. I'll return to action on Friday.:salute:

[Task Force]

rgr. Im gonna be up tomorrow.:up:(hopefuly.)

[Raptor1]

Well I won't be flying tommorow, I'm going to be practicing my sharpshooting with my old .22 Winchester instead. I'll return to action on Friday.:salute:

Ah, you are keeping your shooting skills sharp in case the communists decide to invade, good, good

[XabbaRus]

Doubt I will be flying tonight. Going for an early night..

[Task Force]

rgr, will still check in.:up:

[Task Force]

we flying tonight... no ones on TS?

scratch that, raptor just joined.

[XabbaRus]

Ok that was weird. We had a good dogfight which turned into a nuke fest with me and Hunter, mainly me using the silver plate to great effect.

Then we all did our own thing...I recorded a lot of it so if I get time I'll upload some stuff.

[HunterICX]

Nuke Fest?
I only used it once, and succesfully did a Nuclear test on Water sinking 2 ships (Carrier&Battleship):DL

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

...And Xabba had to come in with his Beau just when I was about to destroy Task Force's Göring Seacarrier with the Romanian terror-mobile...

[Task Force]

Lol. and my indistructable p 11.:rotfl:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

So I'm guessing I missed a hilarious flight huh?

[Task Force]

It was pretty fun. (there were 2 carriers.)

[XabbaRus]

...And Xabba had to come in with his Beau just when I was about to destroy Task Force's Göring Seacarrier with the Romanian terror-mobile...

4 x 20mm plus 4 x .303 really ruins your day.

[HunterICX]

Lol. and my indistructable p 11.:rotfl:

:stare: Grrmmbbll.....damn that thing!

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

So what shall we do Wednesday? Any suggestions?

[Raptor1]

I say we either we find a good late-war campaign (with bombers) or start running DCG again (A late-war campaign too, we never ran one of those for more than a couple of sorties)

[XabbaRus]

I was looking on M4T but didn't see much. Any other good places to download missions.

[Schroeder]

Well, I still have a hand made campaign here, but I fear there are no bombers in it (besides it is in German again of course). Another thing is that I can't remember this campaign so I have no clue how good it is.

[Oberon]

Yeah, I'd say DCG, I know there's the whole transfer transfer transfer thing, but it's still quite effective as a campaign generator with the moving fronts :yeah:

[Raptor1]

I'd say we need a post-'43 Eastern Front DCG campaign (IL-2 has many more planes and maps for the Eastern Front, due to obvious reasons), with the time setting set to the fastest so it keeps moving and the plane count at maximum (Would also be nice if we could restrict everyone to staying in the same bloody team)

[Oberon]

I'd say we need a post-'43 Eastern Front DCG campaign (IL-2 has many more planes and maps for the Eastern Front, due to obvious reasons), with the time setting set to the fastest so it keeps moving and the plane count at maximum (Would also be nice if we could restrict everyone to staying in the same bloody team)

I dunno about fastest, perhaps just slightly below it so we don't go a map a week or we'll run out of campaigns, and the plane count is also another grey area due to the Soviet LaG Cannon. Otherwise I say definately to the rest (including the everyone staying in the same team)

http://www.ea.com.sg/redalert3/gallery/RA3_Soviet_TeslaTank.jpg

[Schroeder]

I don't know, DCG wasn't that great. Attack those 3 tanks with 20 bombers....attack one bridge with 20 bombers....transfer to this airfield...now you are here so you can transfer back.....Mission briefings which give you an overview over the current situation?...who needs that....etc.
I would recommend to try to get a hand made campaign (preferably in English).

*Edit*
How about this one?
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=13

[Raptor1]

I don't know, DCG wasn't that great. Attack those 3 tanks with 20 bombers....attack one bridge with 20 bombers....transfer to this airfield...now you are here so you can transfer back.....Mission briefings which give you an overview over the current situation?...who needs that....etc.
I would recommend to try to get a hand made campaign (preferably in English).

*Edit*
How about this one?
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=13

Yeah, but that was only in some campaigns (*cough* Tobruk), others were pretty good (Like the Murmansk one, until it got bogged down due to the incessant communist bombing of the Ura Guba bridge)

And, please, not ANOTHER fighter-only campaign

[Task Force]

hmmm... I guess dcg is sounds good...:hmmm:

[Kratos]

All this talk of new campaigns. Has the Bigginhill campaign been binned or something?:hmmm:

[Task Force]

All this talk of new campaigns. Has the Bigginhill campaign been binned or something?:hmmm:

We tryed it... but some of the missions are way too long. some have us flying to the way southern part of the map.

[Kratos]

So its been binned..another unfinished campaign,thats prolly why were running out of options now:hmmm:

[Task Force]

Well... were thinking about dcg.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Hows about a Finnish campaign? It is still an Eastern Front campaign with missions that can be flown by bombers and fighters. It does also provide a wide range of aircraft that can be flow too.

[Raptor1]

Hows about a Finnish campaign? It is still an Eastern Front campaign with missions that can be flown by bombers and fighters. It does also provide a wide range of aircraft that can be flow too.

Well, I don't think there are any late-war campaigns and we already played the early-war Leningrad and Murmansk campaigns...

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I do know that Finland's war against Russia did last untill 1944. But the probilty of finding a late war Finnish campaign would be very difficult. We could make one with the DCG though. It would be nice to fly the Morane-Saulniers in a campaign:hmmm:.

[Schroeder]

And, please, not ANOTHER fighter-only campaign
I didn't know that the SBD was a fighter....:o

[HunterICX]

:haha: this is so hopeless.

like kratos said, we are going to run out of idea's when we sweep aside a half finished campaign.

since the theory of the motorcycle license is quiet easy I will get back to hosting.

so this is what we don't want -

Fighter Only - We need some bombers then (so we have both Fighters and bombers)
DCG repeativeness - We need a hand made campaign.
Late war - Tired of those early day crates

I shall see if can get a campaign template going so I can build Co-Op missions on it.

perhaps some Communist based Campaign? against the evil fascists.
(historical Correctness level : None :D, USSR Truth : Its a true hostirical even, Da, comrade?! :stare:)

using mostly Late war USSR aircraft we normally wouldn't pick.

I shall have a new thread going where you can leave suggestions and idea's if you have them.

HunterICX

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

So considering that the Biggin Hill campaign is scraped and we have a plan B in the works, what are we doing today?

[Dowly]

So considering that the Biggin Hill campaign is scraped and we have a plan B in the works, what are we doing today?

Join to TS at the time and you shall know. :O:

[Oberon]

"Your mission...should you choose to accept it..."

[Raptor1]

In Soviet Russia, Mission chooses YOU!

[Dowly]

In Soviet Russia, Mission chooses YOU!

:haha::haha:

[Task Force]

In Soviet Russia, Mission chooses YOU!
:rotfl: Hey, dowly changed his avatar again.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

In Soviet Russia, Mission chooses YOU!
In Soviet Russia you don't shoot enemy, KGB shoots you!!!

[Oberon]

:rotfl: Hey, dowly changed his avatar again.

I prefer his signature :arrgh!:

[Schroeder]

I prefer his signature :arrgh!:
Does your fiancé know that?

[Dowly]

Wait wait wait wait. Are you saying that you can see my avatar & sig pics atm? Because I havent been able to see them whole day! Nor can I even get to Photobucket.com. :damn:

[HunterICX]

Yep, we see them :yep:

HunterICX

[Dowly]

*Goes to reboot this POS*

[Oberon]

Does your fiancé know that?


.....

:hmmm:

Well, it was a good life... :cool:

[Dowly]

*Goes to reboot this POS*

That seemed to do the trick. :yeah: