357th 'Yoxford Boys' Campaign

[Oberon]

http://aaron.smith.free.fr/357thHistory/357thFG.JPG

357th Fighter Group 'The Yoxford Boys'

http://www.aviationartgallery.co.uk/Images/Large-Images/The-yoxford-boys.jpg


The 357th Fighter Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/357th_Fighter_Group), arrived at Leiston from RAF Raydon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Raydon) on 31 January 1944, replacing the P-47-equipped 358th Fighter Group in the 66th Fighter Wing, VIII Fighter Command. After March 1944 aircraft of the group were identified by red-yellow-red rings on the propeller spinner and a 12" red and yellow band around the forward part of the nose in the checkerboard pattern of the 66th Fighter Wing groups.
The group consisted of the following squadrons:

362d Fighter Squadron (fuselage code G4), dispersals along the 18-00 runway (357th technical site)
363d Fighter Squadron (code B6), dispersals along the 06-24 runway (Buckles Wood)
364th Fighter Squadron (code C5), dispersals along the 13-31 runway (Moat Farm)The 357th FG served as an escort group, providing penetration, target, and withdrawal support for bombers that attacked strategic objectives on the Continent and began operations in the assault against the German Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe) and aircraft industry during Big Week, 20-25 Feb 1944 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Week).
The group received a Distinguished Unit Citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Unit_Citation) for two escort missions in which heavy opposition was encountered from enemy fighters: on 6 March 1944 provided target and withdrawal support during the first attack that heavy bombers of Eighth AF made on Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin). On 29 June 1944 the group protected bombers that struck targets at Leipzig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig). The unit received second DUC for operations on 14 January 1945 when the group, covering 3rd Division B-17's on a raid to synthetic oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil) plants at Derben broke up an attack by a large force of interceptors and in the ensuing aerial battle destroyed 56.5 German fighters (later credited as 55.5), the largest number of claims by any Eighth Air Force group on a single mission.
In addition to escort the 357th conducted counter-air patrols, made fighter sweeps, and flew strafing and dive-bombing missions in which it attacked airfields, marshalling yards, locomotives, bridges, barges, tugboats, highways, vehicles, fuel dumps, and other targets. Participated in the invasion of Normandy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Day) in June 1944, the breakthrough at St Lo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Lo) in July, the Battle of the Bulge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge), Dec 1944-Jan 1945; and the airborne assault across the Rhine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Varsity) in March 1945.
The group flew its last mission, an escort operation, on 25 April 1945 and moved to Neubiberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neubiberg), Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) on 21 July and was assigned to United States Air Forces in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Forces_in_Europe) for duty with the army of occupation.
357th Aces Chuck Yeager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager)(the man who broke the sound barrier) and Bud Anderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Anderson) were stationed in Leiston.


http://www.cebudanderson.com/images/leiston1b.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Leiston-12June1946.jpg

http://www.cebudanderson.com/images/dx14.jpg

http://aaron.smith.free.fr/357thHistory/357thMemorial.JPG

:salute:

[Schroeder]

To bad it didn't work that well this day. :dead:
But we have had some problems in the beginning with my squadron too. After some time you get used to the airfield and then it is no longer a concern.:yep:

[HunterICX]

My apology for the venting a bit there, but I was too tired to start this campaign especialy after how it went.
ok, I can enable the free cam...but I rather dont...we have to learn how to do this without the help of the free cam anyway.

Oberon, thanks for the effort to start a thread for the new campaign, stickied :yeah:

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

I'm downloading a whole bunch of skin packs for the 357th. m4t has loads of them.

PS can we shoot down chuck yeager?

[Oberon]

No probs Hunter, least I could do for the Yoxford Boys :yeah: I understand what you mean about the airfield though, it is a bugger to navigate, but what I think might be a good idea is if we stick as much as we can to the same planes each time, so that we'd be in the same squadron in each sortee, from the looks of it I was in the 364 Moat Farm squadron for the last 3 gos.
At least if we're in the same squadrons we know where we have to go for take-off, for me it was right and then first left :salute:
After that it's a long fly over into occupied Holland and Germany, and then we have some 262s to tangle with :haha:

I wonder if we can rival the 357ths kill count? I know Chuck Schroeder might :haha:

[Dowly]

What kinda campaign is this? Custom map? What planes? Do I need to download something if I wanna join in? When's the next sortie?

[Oberon]

What kinda campaign is this? Custom map? What planes? Do I need to download something if I wanna join in? When's the next sortie?

Custom, Riga, P-51s, nope unless you want to get the 357th group skins from M4T, Monday hopefully :yeah:

[Schroeder]

@Dowly
P-51s, P-38s, P-47s and Spitfires.
The campaign is fictious so there will be other squadrons around soon (so I don't think that staying in the same plane will always give you the same location to start from).

We usually fly on Mon. Wed. and Friday at the "normal " time.

@All
Guys you have tp be careful. Don't get too close to the walls and don't panick if you can't stay up with the follow-me bus. If you get lost ask some people who are already in the air for guidance or simply taxi to something that looks like a runway and look whether it is free and not blocked by bulldozers or supplies.:yep:

[XabbaRus]

I already have a custom skin. Xabba's Revenge, nothing too much just a bright green anti-glare panel infront of the cockpit and the name on each side.

Also been practicing combat in QMB with the Mustang.

She is fast but you have to be really gentle on the stick. Ease into moves, nothing sharp in pitch.

Also shouldn't the P-51 have a gyro gunsight? If I fiddle with my bomb aiming controls I get to choose different fighter wingspans but see no difference in the reticle.

[Raptor1]

I already have a custom skin. Xabba's Revenge, nothing too much just a bright green anti-glare panel infront of the cockpit and the name on each side.

Also been practicing combat in QMB with the Mustang.

She is fast but you have to be really gentle on the stick. Ease into moves, nothing sharp in pitch.

Also shouldn't the P-51 have a gyro gunsight? If I fiddle with my bomb aiming controls I get to choose different fighter wingspans but see no difference in the reticle.

Have to turn on the gyro, Ctrl-G I think

I don't like the P-51, wish we had Mossies in the campaign

[Oberon]

I already have a custom skin. Xabba's Revenge, nothing too much just a bright green anti-glare panel infront of the cockpit and the name on each side.

Also been practicing combat in QMB with the Mustang.

She is fast but you have to be really gentle on the stick. Ease into moves, nothing sharp in pitch.

Also shouldn't the P-51 have a gyro gunsight? If I fiddle with my bomb aiming controls I get to choose different fighter wingspans but see no difference in the reticle.

Have to turn on the gyro, Ctrl-G I think

I don't like the P-51, wish we had Mossies in the campaign

There were Mossies scattered around Suffolk in the late war period, RAF Beccles had some briefly, practicing how to drop the Highball spinning bombs, but then they moved back out to Oxfordshire.
However, we did have a B-17 and B-24 group over at USAF Debach:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/B-24-493bg-debach.jpg


As well as a B-17 group at RAF Framlingham, the control tower of which is now a fantastic little museum with some lovely displays that I've visited a couple of times :yeah:

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/F/images/Framlingham_43.jpg

[Oberon]

Oh, and Schroeder, show this to your boss and congratulate him on spelling Leiston right when even our local council has problems :haha:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4364/hpim2120.jpg

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I'd be interseted in doing this campaign if anyone else wants to.

[XabbaRus]

What P-38 models are in the campaign as I'll make myself a custom skin for that too.

[Schroeder]

@Xabba
Does it matter? P38 skins should work fine on all P38 models.

@Oberon
As I said several times before, the campaign is fictious. We will not get the original Liston squadrons and planes. The campaing was inspired by a Liston offline campaign but from mission no. 2 on it is just the fantasy of my squad. leader.
I think there are no flyable bombers in the campaign.:doh:

[Oberon]

@Xabba
Does it matter? P38 skins should work fine on all P38 models.

@Oberon
As I said several times before, the campaign is fictious. We will not get the original Liston squadrons and planes. The campaing was inspired by a Liston offline campaign but from mission no. 2 on it is just the fantasy of my squad. leader.
I think there are no flyable bombers in the campaign.:doh:

I know, I know :03: I'm personally looking forward to flying Spits out of Leiston. :yeah:

[Schroeder]

As I said several times before, the campaign is fictious. We will not get the original Liston squadrons and planes. The campaing was inspired by a Liston offline campaign
Damn it now I managed to misspell Leiston twice.:damn:

[Kratos]

As I said several times before, the campaign is fictious. We will not get the original Liston squadrons and planes. The campaing was inspired by a Liston offline campaign
Damn it now I managed to misspell Leiston twice.:damn:
And CAMPAIGN :rotfl:

[Task Force]

My new p 51 skin.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4695/oldcrow1i.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4695/oldcrow1i.jpg)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7835/oldcrow2.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7835/oldcrow2.jpg)
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9051/oldcrow3.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9051/oldcrow3.jpg)

[Dowly]

What variant the P51 is in the campaign?

[Task Force]

The P 51 D-5NT.:up:

[XabbaRus]

Mission objective for tonight.

Get everyone in the air without a crash. :)

I realised that I was not going to the right runway. When I thought I was at the end of the runway it was actually the taxiway. I guess Kratos and Taskforce must have got a surprise when a P-51 took off over them with feet to spare.

[Schroeder]

Actually it was Kratos and me, but it was a WTF moment none the less.:O:

[Oberon]

I had a WTF moment on, I think it was the first attempt, when I was taking off and a P-51 flew over me with about six feet to spare, I began to wonder if I was going the right way :o

Remember though folks, since we're likely to be jumped by 262s, bombs are not needed, this might help some of us get off the ground :yeah: I know it helped me :DL

[XabbaRus]

Oberon that was probably me again. I got confused and thought the taxi way was teh runway. I wish I had recorded it.

[Kratos]

Looks like Dowly's joining us tonight, I'll follow the ferret,there good at navigating maizes http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3750/stug1.gif :03:

[Task Force]

We need someone to act like air traffic control.:yep: (I remember watching the mustangs takeing off at once. Missing by feet.):haha:

[Kratos]

No good asking you then!! your mute http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9416/msn7smiley040.gif

[Task Force]

dont fly infront of me.:O: (just jokeing.)

[Schroeder]

For those of you who have difficulties to tell a taxiway from a runway:

Runways are always marked by fabric sheets.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1024_6638656363623366.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/1024_3066383330353966.jpg
:salute:

BTW don't cross the red line or you will drop off the airfield and wreck your undercarriage same goes for pretty much every way. it is like in a natural preserve: Stay on the marked ways.

[Raptor1]

Guess I need to polish my dirt takeoff skills

Where are the TB-3 wheels when you need them...

[Dowly]

Looks like Dowly's joining us tonight, I'll follow the ferret,there good at navigating maizes http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3750/stug1.gif :03:

Looking at those pics of the airfield and all the beer I still have left... better stay as far away from me as possible. :hmmm:

Ow, I take you lot have the UI 1.1?

[Schroeder]

The runways and taxiways are like those on any other airfield. No need to practice anything except from taxiing without busting your aircraft.:O:

@Dowly
I still have the 1.0 .

[Raptor1]

taxiing
Is that a real word...? :hmmm:

Never heard of it...

[Kratos]

Looks like Dowly's joining us tonight, I'll follow the ferret,there good at navigating maizes http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3750/stug1.gif :03:
Looking at those pics of the airfield and all the beer I still have left... better stay as far away from me as possible. :hmmm:

Ow, I take you lot have the UI 1.1?

I do, dont know about everyone else.

[Task Force]

im suprised I didnt crash the other day. (I actualy took off the runway.) Landing might be a issue.:haha:

I have 1.1. Havent had any compadibility issues.

[Raptor1]

im suprised I didnt crash the other day. (I actualy took off the runway.) Landing might be a issue.:haha:

I have 1.1. Havent had any compadibility issues.

Landing should be easy, getting away before the next person lands would be a problem

[Schroeder]

taxiing
Is that a real word...? :hmmm:

Never heard of it...
Shall you question your god again?http://img103.exs.cx/img103/1719/angry.gif

[Raptor1]

taxiing
Is that a real word...? :hmmm:

Never heard of it...
Shall you question your god again?http://img103.exs.cx/img103/1719/angry.gif
Uh oh, I have feared this day will come, his delusions and continued attempts to usurp the title of greatest artist in the world have finally driven him insane...

*calls the people in the white coats*

...Don't worry, it's going to be okay...

[Schroeder]

Harhar send them over.http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v319/tankexmortis/Smileys/th_1a09bf0b.gif

[Dowly]

Taxiing is a word. Or maybe it's taxi'ing, but anywho. :yeah:

[XabbaRus]

Here are two of my nose arts..

Devil Girl
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/Dev.jpg
and, well the nose art says it all
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/Dil.jpg

[Oberon]

Says it all really :hmmm:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3933/16032009221213.jpg

Superbus!

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/103/superbusq.jpg


And in reality:

http://www.franka.plus.com/images/fisher2.jpg

http://www.cebudanderson.com/images/mz03.jpg

[Dowly]

Note to self: User planted trees WILL clip your plane. :damn:

[Oberon]

Regarding the V1s, here are some quotes from chaps at the 357th at Leiston:

"In July or August of 1944 the Germans started launching buzz bombs (V-1s) from Holland over the North Sea. They flew over our air base on their way to London. The British moved anti-aircraft guns around our base. Several of these batteries were crewed by ATS girls. They had a good eye for shooting them down. One evening I watched them shoot down at least 20 of the 32 that came over. Many of these were crippled by anti-aircraft fire, which threw off their gyros and they would fly erratic and could explode anywhere near us."



September 20, 1944 About 7 pm a buzz bomb roared directly across our hut, not more that 75 to 100 feet above us. Terrifying roar and yellow red flame had me plenty scared. Saw two others go over, one exploding a few miles from our base. At 5:00 am the morning of the 21st another roared across the field and exploded 6 miles from here. I have a piece of that one.


September 29, 1944 While I was on K.P. at 5:00 am Friday morning, four doodlebugs passed overhead. One flew directly over me at low altitiude while the searchlights had it in their beam. I could see it very plainly, the first time I saw one in a light. At 8:30 pm another red air raid alert, and three more went over. One very close over the field. Much shooting at them but none were hit. Tow explosions were heard.

October 31, 1944 This morning I saw a B-17 shot down by British ack-ack by mistake. Plane broke into five pieces and went down flaming. All 9 of the crew parachuted safely. Several buzz bombs went over.

[Task Force]

@XabbaRus... Yea. I knoticed your nose are in the second flight. lol

[Task Force]

Found out why the 2 flight went so bad. We passed are targets on the way there. there were 3-4 truck convoys with moble flak cannons. We flew all that way for nothing.:yep:

[XabbaRus]

Tha'ts why we were getting shot at. I just thought it was the odd flak cannon.

[Schroeder]

Note to myself: Read the damn briefing that you amateurishly translated yourself before taking off.:damn:

BTW if the mission files are placed in the net cache would that increase the loading speed?

[HunterICX]

Note to myself: Read the damn briefing that you amateurishly translated yourself before taking off.:damn:

BTW if the mission files are placed in the net cache would that increase the loading speed?

hehe, well the mission where a total disaster :D (not that you could ever expect any better from us anyway)

I dont think putting these missions in the cache folder will increase the loading times
just check your current cache and see if you can make any sense out of which mission is which.

HunterICX

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

NNNNOOOO!!! I missed the first missions:damn: :damn: . Someone let me know when the next one is. Oh and considering that this will be my first online campaign some tell me what time the next mission will be at.

[Dowly]

NNNNOOOO!!! I missed the first missions:damn: :damn: . Someone let me know when the next one is. Oh and considering that this will be my first online campaign some tell me what time the next mission will be at.

Wednesday at 21:00GMT

[XabbaRus]

I don't know if we are continuing with this one though.

It was a disaster even for us.

[Raptor1]

NNNNOOOO!!! I missed the first missions:damn: :damn: . Someone let me know when the next one is. Oh and considering that this will be my first online campaign some tell me what time the next mission will be at.

Pfft, you're lucky, those were horrible sorties

Especially the 2nd one, damned be that Whirlwind!

[Dowly]

I don't know if we are continuing with this one though.

It was a disaster even for us.

Ah.. if we start a new campaign, would that be a late war one or? I'd love to continue flying the P51. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

I don't know if we are continuing with this one though.

It was a disaster even for us.

Ah.. if we start a new campaign, would that be a late war one or? I'd love to continue flying the P51. :hmmm:

I think the plan is the Biggin Hill campaign which is Mark V Spits IIRC.

Oh, and death, lots of death and dying with the millions of 190s and 109s :arrgh!:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I'd like to keep this campaign going, its really hard to find any good offline campaigns for the P-51. And if not this one why not do a campaign based on the 332nd Fighter Group the Tuskegee Airman. That would be a good P-51 campaign wouldn't it:hmmm: .

[HunterICX]

Re-start of the campaign on wednesday.

this time we are going to do it right (fingers crossed)

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Re-start of the campaign on wednesday.

this time we are going to do it right (fingers crossed)

HunterICX

You mean I wasn't supposed to stall into the North Sea? :hmmm:

[Raptor1]

Re-start of the campaign on wednesday.

this time we are going to do it right (fingers crossed)

HunterICX
You mean I wasn't supposed to stall into the North Sea? :hmmm:

Gulf of Riga

[Dowly]

Anyone can give me a link to the campaign? I'd like to try it out offline. I like the airfield. :yep:

[Oberon]

Anyone can give me a link to the campaign? I'd like to try it out offline. I like the airfield. :yep:

Right, let's try that again. Last time I posted the answer the entire forum went down whilst you went off to Nigiara or somewhere to get some yellow cake or something :S

Anyway:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3165

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3237

[Dowly]

Thanks. :yeah:

[Schroeder]

Sorry Oberon but his is NOT our campaign.;)

My squadronleader just took that airfield, expended it and wrote his own campaign.:O:

@Dowly

You'll have a PM in a few moments.

[Oberon]

Sorry Oberon but his is NOT our campaign.;)

My squadronleader just took that airfield, expended it and wrote his own campaign.:O:

@Dowly

You'll have a PM in a few moments.

I know that's not our campaign, but it still has the airfield and I didn't have access to our campaign files so it was the next best thing :yep:

[Raptor1]

I say, usually I'm against locked cockpits, but the airfield of doom wouldn't be any fun without locked cockpits

Though that schoolbus still has to die, grr...

[Dowly]

Just use the 6DOF, if you dont have TIR, use the mouse version to look over the nose. That's what I did and had no problems navigating the airfield... then again, I started next to 2 AI P51's already line up to take off from the airfield so I just followed them. :O:

Right, now I'm off to re-install IL2 1946. It was so darn messy that I though maybe better get rid of it and do it again. :yeah:

[XabbaRus]

How does the mouse version of 6DOF works?

[Dowly]

How does the mouse version of 6DOF works?

You go to the "off-center" cockpit view and holding right mouse button and moving your mouse it moves up/down/left/right and holding the other mouse button and moving your mouse it moves forward/back. IIRC, middlebutton resets the view.

[XabbaRus]

Ah is that with the AAA thing and 6DOF enabled?

[Dowly]

Ah is that with the AAA thing and 6DOF enabled?

No idea. :hmmm:

[Task Force]

Sooooo.... we still flying the same campaign or a different one.:hmmm:

[Schroeder]

Sooooo.... we still flying the same campaign or a different one.:hmmm:


Re-start of the campaign on wednesday.

this time we are going to do it right (fingers crossed)


;):salute:

[Task Force]

So were doing the same campaing. cool. (Back to the airfield of death.):rotfl:

[Raptor1]

It's a shame the airfield of doom takes so much time to load

And that there are no B-17s...

[Task Force]

You realy thing you could get a b 17 around on that airfield.:rotfl:(you would have to airstart.)

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

What is the sever address??

[Raptor1]

You shall be given that on Teamspeak, probably...

[Dowly]

What is the sever address??

If you have teamspeak, join in there. The TS server address is: 82.39.85.56:8767

Password: wolf (if I remember correctly)

[Oberon]

What is the sever address??

We meet on teamspeak, Hunter will give out the IP there. :yeah:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Thanks for that I'm there now. Oh BTW I'm "Red Max".

Edit:Nuts, my internet crashed after I crashed. Oh well theres always next wednesday I guess, and I really need to practice taxiing with the cockpit always on too.

[Dowly]

Good to have you with us. Our flight times are Monday, Wednesday and Friday 21:00GMT. :salute:

[Task Force]

You did pretty good for you first flight.:up:

And like dowly said. flights happen on monday, wensday, and friday.

that means here area 10 or 11 of us now.

[Oberon]

Indeed, now do I start a new thread for our Moving dogfight map? :hmmm:

I loved your reactions when you met the first bomber wave :har:

[Task Force]

which one of us.:rotfl:
They were going right overtop of are airbase. lol My hurricane was spawning when they were.

I was thinking *OAH S@$t*

maby we fly the Yoxford Boys campaign once a week (or when we have to do a restart.)

[Oberon]

which one of us.:rotfl:
They were going right overtop of are airbase. lol My hurricane was spawning when they were.

I was thinking *OAH S@$t*

maby we fly the Yoxford Boys campaign once a week (or when we have to do a restart.)

Hunter put Leiston in the recycle bin (some might argue the best place for it, since I will be going there tomorrow in reality, I cannot disagree :haha:) so Yoxford Boys campaign is off for the moment. But we can do a mixture of moving dogfight and standard dogfight, and I'm sure there's some co-op missions out there on m4t or dogfight missions we can muck around with until Hunter has got enough Biggin Hill missions for us to make a start on, and I fully expect you all to go 'Ho ****' again when you meet your first Jerry fighter wing over France, I know I did!! :o:dead:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

You did pretty good for you first flight.:up:

And like dowly said. flights happen on monday, wensday, and friday.

that means here area 10 of us now. I do need to get used to locked cockpits like I said, but I do know the limits of the Hurricane and Spitfires. I also need to get used to flying at near 100% realism, I guess in my next offline campaign I turn on the limited ammo.

[Task Force]

Hunter put Leiston in the recycle bin (some might argue the best place for it, since I will be going there tomorrow in reality, I cannot disagree :haha:) so Yoxford Boys campaign is off for the moment. But we can do a mixture of moving dogfight and standard dogfight, and I'm sure there's some co-op missions out there on m4t or dogfight missions we can muck around with until Hunter has got enough Biggin Hill missions for us to make a start on, and I fully expect you all to go 'Ho ****' again when you meet your first Jerry fighter wing over France, I know I did!! :o:dead:

Yea. ive been playing that campaign. those jerrys come is large clouds.:haha::o

[Raptor1]

The Jerry seems to have developed indestructible planes when we weren't looking too

[Schroeder]

No Raptor the enemy NEVER develops something superior to Lolwaffle equipment (no matter for what side we are flying for currently).
It is that WE actually MANAGED TO DEVELOP totally useless armament for our fighters.:woot: