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SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 08:09 PM
And he set out to 'debunk' them. Now Mr. Beck is worried himself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dxUr3sykgY&feature=related
Hmmm.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
-S
SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 08:16 PM
Listen to this Congress session:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GTqTAOslMM&NR=1
He calls for - A NEW BILL OF RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my gosh! :o:o:o:o:o SOmeone please dubunk this one for me. I would like some proof that he didn't just say that! I hope its wrong..........
Its got to be wrong. I can't believe it. So it must be.
-S
Edit:
PS. It is! Hilarious! :D
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/proposed_classified_bill_will
Tribesman
03-12-09, 08:23 PM
Make sure you are wearing your tin foil hat Subman:rotfl:
SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 08:25 PM
Make sure you are wearing your tin foil hat Subman:rotfl:I need one! I love it!
FEMA camps are real though. That one scares me.
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AVGWarhawk
03-12-09, 08:28 PM
Listen to this Congress session:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GTqTAOslMM&NR=1
He calls for - A NEW BILL OF RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my gosh! :o:o:o:o:o SOmeone please dubunk this one for me. I would like some proof that he didn't just say that! I hope its wrong..........
Its got to be wrong. I can't believe it. So it must be.
-S
Edit:
PS. It is! Hilarious! :D
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/proposed_classified_bill_will
Sorry, this is classified. :88)
AVGWarhawk
03-12-09, 08:33 PM
And he set out to 'debunk' them. Now Mr. Beck is worried himself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dxUr3sykgY&feature=related
Hmmm.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
-S
Making a mountain out of a mole hill. :shifty: Let me ask you Subman, why do I move no less than 300 mobile homes for FEMA every week? If these 'concentration camps' are being set up as just that, why bother with mobile homes? Just toss them all in there and start the human testing. :doh: Come on, this reporter was attempting to make it look like a German concentration camp at an Amtrak facility:88) Oh look, a rail head fenced in:o At a rail yard none the less:hmmm:
SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 08:52 PM
I hear ya, but the in-turned barbed wire is your first clue. That is designed to keep people in. Not people out.
An example - find a fence around your area designed to keep people out. You will find the barbed wire points towards the direction meant to stop the people.
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Frame57
03-12-09, 08:55 PM
I think there is one of these near China Lake here in "Kalifornia". I may attempt to take some pics of this thing when i go hwy 40 on Vacation next month.
SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 09:20 PM
I think there is one of these near China Lake here in "Kalifornia". I may attempt to take some pics of this thing when i go hwy 40 on Vacation next month.
I'd like a look. I do get the sense that most people have an attitude of 'it can't happen here' mentality.
But it is. An example of how your Constitution crumbles in the last month:
Glenn Beck points out the Uber National Guard above - unconstitutional.
Obama as President with no birth cert, regardless the Supreme Court has asked for it - unconstitutional if he doesn't produce it.
Oregon voted in its house today (it passed) to remove the electoral college - unconstitutional.
Using taxpayer funds to fund private enterprise - Where does this exist in the Constitution? This is called nationalizing - Socialism/Communism - And BUSH STARTED IT! A conservative (supposedly)!
How far do we need to go? I think I need to create a thread titled - Unconstitutional
Our country is becoming no more.
I quote Winston Churchill:
“…If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
“Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.’”
Your First clue - Global Warming - refers to perverted science for the sheep! We don't need Hitler. We are doing it to ourselves. Britain, you may be lucky to last 100 years instead of 1000.
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Stealth Hunter
03-12-09, 09:36 PM
Glenn Beck points out the Uber National Guard above - unconstitutional.
:haha:
Obama as President with no birth cert, regardless the Supreme Court has asked for it - unconstitutional if he doesn't produce it.
And he did produce it:
http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg
Oregon voted in its house today (it passed) to remove the electoral college - unconstitutional.
About damn time. The electoral colleges and the electoral vote hardly constitute what the majority of citizens want for a leader. It's the popular vote that truly matters in a real democracy.
How far do we need to go?
How long do you want to keep this up?
I think I need to create a thread titled - Unconstitutional
Well that answered my last question.
Our country is becoming no more.
That's actually a pretty funny message. Really, it reminds me of the KKK and their paranoid belief that the nation is dying and falling apart, and there will be a race war to decide who dominates all.:har:
Silly racists.
I hear ya, but the in-turned barbed wire is your first clue. That is designed to keep people in. Not people out.
An example - find a fence around your area designed to keep people out. You will find the barbed wire points towards the direction meant to stop the people.
-S
Dude, it those fences many of which don't even have barbed wire on top, are designed to keep prisoners in then they did a piss poor job of it.
First off I didn't see one bit of razor wire, let alone the stacked coils, you see around real prisons. Toss a FEMA blanket over that weak triple strand shown in the video and just about anyone can negotiate the top of that fence in just a couple seconds without so much as a scratch.
Second. Nowhere in that video did it conclusively show what was in or out. There are buildings on both sides so making the barbed wire brackets look like they are one way or the other is a simple matter of moving the camera. Not even the gates show which side they're facing.
Third there are holes all along the fence. I saw one at 1:04 big enough to drive a cart through. Heck there WAS a cart already halfway through it!
Finally, and most damning imo those fences didn't even have truss rods at the bottom. Snip a couple of the lower tie wires and you can lift the whole bottom like a kilted Scotsman flashes the ladies. They would not stop masses of desperate people.
OH and BTW the Air Force engine and Army crane are at least a half a century old! They've "seen better days" is right. They belong in a museum not some super secret government concentration camp where a crane would be needed for.... what again?
SUBMAN1
03-12-09, 09:51 PM
http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg
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Better research your quotes. This is the fake. Supreme Court already rejected it since its in digital form.
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Frame57
03-13-09, 12:37 AM
That is way to new of a format. My birth certificate looks like it was made during the civil war days and I was born the same year as Barak Hussein Obama.
Etienne
03-13-09, 01:52 AM
That is way to new of a format. My birth certificate looks like it was made during the civil war days and I was born the same year as Barak Hussein Obama.
When you contact the authorities for a birth certificate, they just print a new one from their database, in whatever format they're using that day.
I had to get a few copies of mine a few years back (I seem to expend them at a pretty high rate), and the new one look nothing like the one I had when I registered for high school. My mom also got one, and they're identical to mine.
And Subman, do you have any news article about the supreme court rejecting it? It just seems extremely, extremely far fetched. (And "Because it's in digital form"? C'mon, like there wasn't someone in DC who couldn't walk a copy to the supreme court...)
AVGWarhawk
03-13-09, 07:20 AM
Perhaps it is the new Gitmo:03:
AVGWarhawk
03-13-09, 07:21 AM
http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg
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Better research your quotes. This is the fake. Supreme Court already rejected it since its in digital form.
-S
I'm a bit tired of seeing this certificate. It does not look legit. Have photoshop will travel. :03:
SteamWake
03-13-09, 09:41 AM
Mr. Beck is worried himself...
Yea... he does that alot.
SUBMAN1
03-13-09, 11:18 AM
Mr. Beck is worried himself...
Yea... he does that alot.I don't know much about him, though he comes up quite often lately.
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SteamWake
03-13-09, 02:17 PM
Mr. Beck is worried himself...
Yea... he does that alot.I don't know much about him, though he comes up quite often lately.
-S
3rd most listend to radio show, has a slot on CNN now, beating the snot out of Oberman's rating.
Cant see how you have not seen him.
Mostly conservative commentator. A little paranoid though.
Hi, I'm here for the wild ass unfounded misinformation, believe what
I'm told by right wing media hacks conspiracy meeting. is this the right room?
Hi, I'm here for the wild ass unfounded misinformation, believe what
I'm told by right wing media hacks conspiracy meeting. is this the right room?
Naw it's about 6 steps beyond the end of the pier. To your left.
Stealth Hunter
03-13-09, 03:58 PM
http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg
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Better research your quotes. This is the fake. Supreme Court already rejected it since its in digital form.
-S
Did research it. Was proven to be a valid copy of the original one by investigators as well as researchers who got a chance to look at it. The copy was not a forgery, or a fake, or any of that nonsense. It was shown to be a valid, authentic copy. By United States law, it can be used.
Oh, Hawaii's Star-Bulletin and Advertiser newspapers published under their announcement sections documentation of his birth:
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zv7lld.jpg
Well, what have you got to say?
Naw it's about 6 steps beyond the end of the pier. To your left.
Et tu, August.....
Naw it's about 6 steps beyond the end of the pier. To your left.
Et tu, August.....
Nah, I'm just teasing you. The pier is to the right! :D
But seriously, I did take the time to review that FEMA "prison" tape posted in the OP and all anyone wants to do is argue about the Obama birth certificate silliness?
There's 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back... :shifty:
Digital_Trucker
03-13-09, 06:04 PM
That inward turned barbed wire was a deliberate contractor mistake so they could get paid to come back and turn it the other way:yeah: I believe the contractor was named Blagojevich or something like that.
Tribesman
03-13-09, 06:21 PM
There's 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back...
Consider the entertainment value , what you should have done is follow a link from the first then repeat it a couple of times to get to some real paranoid conspircy theory stuff....honestly the networks couldn't buy that sort of talent for a comedy show ...plus of course you don't get the adverts doing it that way .
Thanks for the opening SUBMAN , it really shows that investing in Aluminium foil manufacturers is going to be a good investment now that the chosen emu has done his dance for the naysayers
Freiwillige
03-13-09, 06:36 PM
Do the research! A certificate of live birth for Hawaii does not mean you were born there! You can get one as a minor if you become a citizen and Hawaii authoritys while admiting the document is real will not come out about if he was really born there. Notice that no Hospital is listed on the certificate. Ive never seen a birth certificate without a hospital listed.
Max2147
03-13-09, 06:38 PM
The real issue isn't a birth certificate. It's that some Americans still can't accept that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama can ever be a real American.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
Tribesman
03-13-09, 06:48 PM
Well said Max:yeah:
The one that realy tickles me is thse that say "this couldn't happen in Europe"
Which is like saying a welsh fella couldn't be Prime minister of the UK
The real issue isn't a birth certificate. It's that some Americans still can't accept that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama can ever be a real American.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
FYI this whole thing was started by a Democrat. A Clinton supporter unhappy his candidate didn't get the nomination. Maybe doing a little research before you lay the blame at the Republicans feet might be in order?
Oh and answering your own questions in the same post like you were actually giving someone a chance to answer is lame.
Stealth Hunter
03-13-09, 06:49 PM
Do the research! A certificate of live birth for Hawaii does not mean you were born there! You can get one as a minor if you become a citizen and Hawaii authoritys while admiting the document is real will not come out about if he was really born there.
Do YOUR research. Hawaii's statute 338, for children born out of the country having the ability to legally obtain a birth certificate, was not enacted until 1982. Since Obama was born in 1961, his parents could have not under any circumstances gotten a birth certificate if he was in fact born in Kenya as some claim.
Notice that no Hospital is listed on the certificate. Ive never seen a birth certificate without a hospital listed.
Some don't. Here's a copy of a short-form birth certificate:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Shortform.gif
:03:
Digital_Trucker
03-13-09, 06:51 PM
The real issue isn't a birth certificate. It's that some Americans still can't accept that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama can ever be a real American.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
FYI this whole thing was started by a Democrat. A Clinton supporter unhappy his candidate didn't get the nomination. Maybe doing a little research before you lay the blame at the Republicans feet might be in order?
Oh and answering your own questions in the same post like you were actually giving someone a chance to answer is lame.
Don't waste your breath (or maybe fingertips would be a better expression), August. There's nothing you can do to convince him that anyone who didn't vote for the Obamameister isn't a racist.
The real issue isn't a birth certificate. It's that some Americans still can't accept that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama can ever be a real American.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
FYI this whole thing was started by a Democrat. A Clinton supporter unhappy his candidate didn't get the nomination. Maybe doing a little research before you lay the blame at the Republicans feet might be in order?
Oh and answering your own questions in the same post like you were actually giving someone a chance to answer is lame.
Don't waste your breath (or maybe fingertips would be a better expression), August. There's nothing you can do to convince him that anyone who didn't vote for the Obamameister isn't a racist.
I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt I was.
Digital_Trucker
03-13-09, 07:14 PM
Yep, my bad, I should have, too. Just the whole tone of the remark (especially the second sentence) led me to that conclusion.
Tribesman
03-13-09, 07:28 PM
Notice that no Hospital is listed on the certificate. Ive never seen a birth certificate without a hospital listed.
Don't be silly , my kids may have a hospital listed but I don't and only one of my brothers has , though two of my aunts were brought out in hospital so would be listed .
Now I might say its a generational thing .....if it were not for the numbers of home births still nowadays
Tribesman
03-13-09, 07:29 PM
Notice that no Hospital is listed on the certificate. Ive never seen a birth certificate without a hospital listed.
Don't be silly , my kids may have a hospital listed but I don't and only one of my brothers has , though two of my aunts were brought out in hospital so would be listed .
Now I might say its a generational thing .....if it were not for the numbers of home births nowadays
Notice that no Hospital is listed on the certificate. Ive never seen a birth certificate without a hospital listed. Don't be silly , my kids may have a hospital listed but I don't and only one of my brothers has , though two of my aunts were brought out in hospital so would be listed .
Now I might say its a generational thing .....if it were not for the numbers of home births still nowadays
That may be but Irish regulations on the subject could easily be totally different than those of the State of Hawaii.
Digital_Trucker
03-13-09, 09:02 PM
How would a home birth be verified, anyway? If there were no doctor present, who would testify as to the birth location. The parent would be the only one who could (unless witnesses were available). The existence of a birth certificate doesn't certify the birth location unless you're born in a hospital and a doctor attests to the birth.
Not that it matters, anyway.
Tribesman
03-13-09, 09:07 PM
That may be but Irish regulations on the subject could easily be totally different than those of the State of Hawaii.
Who said all those people was born in Ireland under Irish regulations .
Its not far off 200 years with the backs and forths that my family became yanks and then Irish again and then yanks then Irish an....still ongoing.
Birth in a hospital dn't mean ****all , but it does come in handy for paperwork ......unless the institution goes.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
Nobody has to be a racist for this to be completely true.
That may be but Irish regulations on the subject could easily be totally different than those of the State of Hawaii. Who said all those people was born in Ireland under Irish regulations .
Not me. AFAIK you're an riddle wrapped up in an enigma. But TBH I have my doubts your location is accurate.
AFAIK you're an riddle wrapped up in an enigma.
I object! :haha:
Digital_Trucker
03-14-09, 09:44 AM
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
Nobody has to be a racist for this to be completely true.
If you took the word white out of the sentence, I'd believe your statement, but the inclusion of the race in the original statement makes it an accusation of racism, IMO.
If you took the word white out of the sentence, I'd believe your statement, but the inclusion of the race in the original statement makes it an accusation of racism, IMO.
No, it really doesn't. The simple fact is this: If Obama was a white man named john smith, no one would ever even begin to consider that he might not be an American citizen. Because Obama has an exotic sounding name and is a different color than every other President in the history of our country, those are the only reasons this has become a topic. That's not just people calling other people racist! thats a fact!
I can't speak for anyone else here, so I can't tell you if that post was meant to call anyone a racist. Personally, I don't think it was, and I don't see how you can assume it was, given that no one has to be racist for that statement to be %100 true.
Imo :)
[quote]The simple fact is this: If Obama was a white man named john smith, no one would ever even begin to consider that he might not be an American citizen. Because Obama has an exotic sounding name and is a different color than every other President in the history of our country, those are the only reasons this has become a topic. That's not just people calling other people racist! thats a fact!
I disagree. Obamas origin has become a issue because there was some legitimate question about it. There was an opening in his armor to explore and exploit. After all, what other Presidential candidate in modern times has had a foreign national for a father? What other candidate in modern times has held dual citizenship and has spent so many of his childhood years overseas?
Now personally I don't give much credence to the whole idea, but be that as it may, whatever issue a candidate can potentially be attacked on, you can guarantee someone in the political opposition will attempt to use it against him. Race has nothing to do with it.
I disagree. Obamas origin has become a issue because there was some legitimate question about it. There was an opening in his armor to explore and exploit. After all, what other Presidential candidate in modern times has had a foreign national for a father? What other candidate in modern times has held dual citizenship and has spent so many of his childhood years overseas?
Now personally I don't give much credence to the whole idea, but be that as it may, whatever issue a candidate can potentially be attacked on, you can guarantee someone in the political opposition will attempt to use it against him. Race has nothing to do with it.
Actually, I think we kind of agree. I'm saying it's because of his name and because he looks different that any President before him. You are saying it's because he has a foreign national for a father and has roots in another country. But my examples are a direct result of yours.....
Also, I agree with you on the political opposition using these issues against him. To be expected. And, I agree that race doesn't have to have anything to do with it. I'm just saying this particular thing would not be happening to a white man named John born in Nebraska, and I'm saying that no one at all has to be racist for that to be the case.
...which means I shouldn't have used the word only in the previous post, I must admit....
Max2147
03-14-09, 11:42 AM
The real issue isn't a birth certificate. It's that some Americans still can't accept that a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama can ever be a real American.
To all those who are making an issue about Obama's birth certificate: If a white Republican President named John Smith produced a birth certificate that looked like that, would you say he wasn't an American? Didn't think so.
FYI this whole thing was started by a Democrat. A Clinton supporter unhappy his candidate didn't get the nomination. Maybe doing a little research before you lay the blame at the Republicans feet might be in order?
Oh and answering your own questions in the same post like you were actually giving someone a chance to answer is lame.
Don't waste your breath (or maybe fingertips would be a better expression), August. There's nothing you can do to convince him that anyone who didn't vote for the Obamameister isn't a racist. Where did I ever say that ALL people who didn't vote for Obama are racist?
As others have pointed out, my post accused *some* Obama opponents of being racist. I stand by my view that this would be a non-issue if he was white and had an American sounding name. This is just another angle on the "Obama isn't one of us"/"Obama is anti-American" attack.
But I NEVER said that people didn't have legitimate reasons for voting against Obama. I know full well that his policies don't appeal to everybody, and McCain's/Hillary's policies would probably have been better for some people. On the flip side, I think that a lot of Obama voters voted for him for cr*p reasons. But that's irrelevant to this discussion.
Back to the birth certificate issue, did people clamor for Bill Clinton's birth certificate when he was running for President? Did they accuse Ronald Reagan of not being an American because he didn't post a copy of his birth certificate in every newspaper across the country? If they did, I haven't heard of it.
What makes Obama different from those Presidents? Why do people accuse him of not being an American when that accusation hasn't been leveled before?
Back to the birth certificate issue, did people clamor for Bill Clinton's birth certificate when he was running for President? Did they accuse Ronald Reagan of not being an American because he didn't post a copy of his birth certificate in every newspaper across the country? If they did, I haven't heard of it.
What makes Obama different from those Presidents? Why do people accuse him of not being an American when that accusation hasn't been leveled before?
Did either of them have a foreign national for a father? Is there any evidence all all that their mothers might have been out of the country when she gave birth to them? Imo you're comparing apples and oranges, asking us why they don't taste the same then telling us it's because the apple isn't colored orange.
I'm just saying this particular thing would not be happening to a white man named John born in Nebraska, and I'm saying that no one at all has to be racist for that to be the case
Well if Johns last name were, say, O'Hara and his father was an Irish national, and his mother was placed in Ireland right around the time of his birth, and when the issue was raised John refused to produce the original Birth Certificate then, yeah Enigma, I think it would.
Remember, this issue was not raised by republicans. It was raised by Democrats themselves. Now that it has been raised it becomes just another thing for a muckraker to check out and it will be done in every presidential election election to every candidate from now on regardless of the color of his skin or what his name is.
Digital_Trucker
03-15-09, 11:21 AM
If you took the word white out of the sentence, I'd believe your statement, but the inclusion of the race in the original statement makes it an accusation of racism, IMO.
No, it really doesn't. The simple fact is this: If Obama was a white man named john smith, no one would ever even begin to consider that he might not be an American citizen. Because Obama has an exotic sounding name and is a different color than every other President in the history of our country, those are the only reasons this has become a topic. That's not just people calling other people racist! thats a fact!
I can't speak for anyone else here, so I can't tell you if that post was meant to call anyone a racist. Personally, I don't think it was, and I don't see how you can assume it was, given that no one has to be racist for that statement to be %100 true.
Imo :)
Perhaps I should rephrase the statment to read, if you took the word white out of the original statement, there would be no way to construe the statement as an accusation of racism. If the statement substituted any race other than white, would it be the same statement? No, the statement appears to imply that the fictional President would be accepted as American based on his race. If not, why would race be mentioned at all? Your statement just proves my theory. To paraphrase "In order to be accepted as American without question, he has to be white" How is that not racist?
@Max : If you'll notice, two posts down from my original post, I agreed with August that I should have given you the benefit of the doubt. I meant that. Perhaps the way I read the statement was not the way it was intended. Perhaps the statement itself was not worded as intended. My reaction was uncalled for and I admit that. I still believe that you have to leave the word white out of the original statement in order to eliminate the possibility of an accusation of racism being implied.
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