Rise of Flight Demo Confirmed

[Stealth Hunter]

http://wwiaircombat.com/articles/rise-of-flight-interview-demo-confirmed


So it begins.:rock:

[FIREWALL]

The answers to questions #3 and #5 will unfortunatly keep me from being a customer.

[HunterICX]

So it begins.:rock:

It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...

HunterICX

[Kratos]

I was really looking forward to this game as well :cry: ah well another few quid saved for a rainy day.

[FIREWALL]

Checkout the screenshots. Since I have FSX Deluxe Gold I'm getting this and the two mission packs.

WWI Missions game.

http://www.abacuspub.com/default_fs.html

[Stealth Hunter]

The answers to questions #3 and #5 will unfortunatly keep me from being a customer.

Pity, especially since #3 is very common for today's games (most require an Internet connection) and #5 isn't that big of a deal (just fly a training mission or a SP mission).

It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...

What was your problem with their answers? Oh- could you also give a link to their purchase policy.

[Lieste]

Oh well....

ROF, RIP...

[FIREWALL]

Hi SH :DL I just won't buy a game I have to connect to play.

I have a good friend who is between jobs and can't afford internet.

He'd be screwed now.

[BilboSmeggins]

I am subscribed to the iracing service, which is also internet only. At first it is a big deal, but in the end you live with it. Bottom line is - if it's quality you will succumb in the end.........

[HunterICX]

It so ends in my case,
seeying those answers and their policy of purchasing pairs of aircraft...
What was your problem with their answers? Oh- could you also give a link to their purchase policy.
Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.

I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game. And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.

and...


10/16/2008 11:28:19 AM

1) Yes, we are preparing full missions’editor for the release. It will be available soon, that’s all I can say by now 2) Free: Newport 28, Albatros D5. Also you will be able to get two new planes at the day of release for additional payment - Spad XIII, Fokker DVII. Further we plan to let out 1-2 new planes in a month (preliminary) 3) We do our best to make game ready by 2008. Under specific circumstances it may be ready by first quarter 2009.
http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/October-2008/Project-news-from-producer.aspx?lang=en-US

look in the comments.

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

I don't actually care about the internet connection required to play, what really kills the game for me is the limited plane count and the limited campaign (I mean, 1917-1918 with only the Germans or Americans playing with 2 planes?)

Can't see any reason why this one would top a good modded RB3D in any way except the graphics

[Schroeder]

What do I do if the company goes belly up in the near future and shuts down it's server? Shall i throw my copy of ROF in the garbage bin then?:timeout:

Thanks, a no go for me.:down:
Besides two planes to start with is redicolous.:-?

[Stealth Hunter]

Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.

Same case for a lot of other games since most today require an Internet connection. Why do you need to play ROF right at that moment? If your ISP is updating something and has shut down, then go watch a World War I movie, listen to some music, read a book, or talk with some friends for a few hours.

I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game.

The difference between this system and DRM is that DRM gets in and screws with your registry files. Once it gets in, it's incredibly hard to get it out. I learned that the hard way when I bought SPORE.

It's either that Draconian software BS or a required Internet connection. Take your pick.

And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.

Their main center has many servers (look at their staff photos and they have some pics of how many they have). If one fails, you've got plenty more. If they fail, you've still got backup servers. It's pretty much the same kind of deal for Relic's and THQ's Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

2) Free: Newport 28, Albatros D5. Also you will be able to get two new planes at the day of release for additional payment - Spad XIII, Fokker DVII. Further we plan to let out 1-2 new planes in a month (preliminary)

I've got new information, though, that says otherwise (from February 27, 2009):

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html)

I quote:

There were 4 planes and 4 missions available to select in this build version (but there will be many more in the final shipping version).

I don't actually care about the internet connection required to play, what really kills the game for me is the limited plane count and the limited campaign (I mean, 1917-1918 with only the Germans or Americans playing with 2 planes?)

Again:

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_400a.html)

There were 4 planes and 4 missions available to select in this build version (but there will be many more in the final shipping version).

That comes from a February 27, 2009 report from Doug Atkinson (and I have trusted his reviews for a long time). Hunter's source comes from October 2008. It seems their original plans have been changed (I'm guessing you'll still get to purchase new planes, though).

Can't see any reason why this one would top a good modded RB3D in any way except the graphics

No other mod out there for RB3D simulates all that ROF has to offer, not even Full Canvas Jacket (and I LOVED my Full Canvas Jacket back in the day).

What do I do if the company goes belly up in the near future and shuts down it's server? Shall i throw my copy of ROF in the garbage bin then?

Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?

Besides two planes to start with is ridiculous.

First off, I've already supplied, twice now, a February 27, 2009, SimHQ review of the game that states there are currently four planes (and four single player missions) to choose from, but the final build will include many more. Hunter's quote came from October 2008, quite a while ago. Second, paying an extra $10 for more planes isn't that big of a deal (I'm guessing they still have that in, since the article didn't mention anything about that being removed). I spend more than that picking up something to eat from the deli. Third, the devs have already said that the game will be modder-friendly (meaning there's a lot of potential for awesome and original aircraft to be made in the future by third party sources).

I think I'll start a thread revolving around that SimHQ review so people can find out what the game will be like before they start going into a frenzy.

[FIREWALL]

I understand why they and others do this. :yep:

To protect their game from being stolen for free.:yep:

[HunterICX]

Well, if my ISP is doing something and I don't have internet for a while it seems I can't play ROF.
Same case for a lot of other games since most today require an Internet connection. Why do you need to play ROF right at that moment? If your ISP is updating something and has shut down, then go watch a World War I movie, listen to some music, read a book, or talk with some friends for a few hours.

I've been weeks without internet due ISP is fixing the whole network as storm caused it to fail everywhere. could happen again....

I know many games have this new DRM, but then you wont need to insert the disc as long your connected to the internet, if it fails well you have to insert the disc and voila I still can play the game.
The difference between this system and DRM is that DRM gets in and screws with your registry files. Once it gets in, it's incredibly hard to get it out. I learned that the hard way when I bought SPORE.

It's either that Draconian software BS or a required Internet connection. Take your pick.

(see below)

And what about if their server is down or having issues...you cant play your game either, so its harsh to not include an offline mode.
Their main center has many servers (look at their staff photos and they have some pics of how many they have). If one fails, you've got plenty more. If they fail, you've still got backup servers. It's pretty much the same kind of deal for Relic's and THQ's Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.


I happen to have CoH, and I like their policy.
with internet you have an online check, no CD required in the drive

if you dont have internet at the moment, Insert the Disk as it asks for it and you can play OFFLINE.

ROF could do the same deal, but they wont...well too bad.
OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games. if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

HunterICX

[FIREWALL]

@ Hunter ICX


OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games. if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

HunterICX


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[Schroeder]

Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?
That is exactly why I don't have any steam games.:shifty:

I will wait and see what the final product will be like and decide then. If it is online only then I won't buy it, simple as that.

[Stealth Hunter]

I've been weeks without internet due ISP is fixing the whole network as storm caused it to fail everywhere. could happen again....

Well that sucks, but we can't get it perfect for everyone, now can we?

I happen to have CoH, and I like their policy.
with internet you have an online check, no CD required in the drive

if you dont have internet at the moment, Insert the Disk as it asks for it and you can play OFFLINE.

Yeah, so they are indeed similar, aside from the disk part. But really, the whole "you must be connected to the Internet anyway" deal should not be any more frustrating than COH's system.

ROF could do the same deal, but they wont...well too bad.

Fine. Don't buy it. Thousands of others will, myself included.

OFFLINE is a must so people wont be prevented from playing their purchased games.

Deal with it.

if I purchase software I want to be in control of it and I decide whenever I can run/play it, NOT THEM.

You are in control. The only thing that will stop you is if your ISP goes down temporarily or if your connection goes kaput for good. And if the first one is happening, get some patience and wait for your ISP to boot back up. If the first one happens, go out and buy another connection because it's not their fault it died.

It's really not that bad of a system. The problem is people expecting all their wants to be catered to, but you will always have to give in to a few of the devs requirements if you want to game-on. It's as simple as that.

Inevitably, curiousity and temptation take hold. Seeing those juicy screenshots, I know quite a few people who are bitching about the system will give in.

[Stealth Hunter]

Do you by chance have STEAM? If so, did you ever ask that same question about their games?
That is exactly why I don't have any steam games.:shifty:

A company such as STEAM that takes in that much money is probably not going to just suddenly kick the bucket over night and be shut down. I personally dislike a lot about STEAM, but a lot of the games I want to play require it, so if I want to play them, then I might as well accept it and just learn to have some patience... and discipline.

If it is online only then I won't buy it, simple as that.

Fine. Plenty of others will. I know I'll be pre-ordering it.

[AVGWarhawk]

I have no issue with the internet connection. I play Jutland with the DRM. Loads everytime, checks for updates and I play. Jutland will play without a connection to the net though. ROF is a must for me. However, it needs to be able to utilize two pieces of hardware I own....X52 stick and the TrackIR. Without these, all is lost concerning a flight sim for me. So, before the full version hits the markets I guess it will be a good time now to check on these two items.

Nice write up by SimHQ.


EDIT: Quick check and the X52/TrackIR are Vista supported and for the 64 bit system.

[Dowly]

STEAM & ROF arent the same thing. STEAM requires internet connection when you install your game, after that you can disconnect the internet and it still works. Whereas ROF needs internet connection ALL THE TIME.

[Catfish]

Hello,

well what can i say. I am somehow fascinated how anyone could spin this online issue into a favorable light.
I will most probably buy it, but this new company policy is turning into an ugly direction. I have posted my comments where it belongs, anyone who is interested can read the thread here:
http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/March-2009/Interface.aspx#addComment

Greetings,
Catfish

[CaptainHaplo]

I will have to bypass this one. While I have no real beef with the "phone home" verification (as long as thats all its doing) - I don't want to play online. This basic requirement with no single player makes it a MMO flight sim. I can do without that. If it had a single player mode then it would go on my "buy" list.

[Stealth Hunter]

I will have to bypass this one. While I have no real beef with the "phone home" verification (as long as thats all its doing) - I don't want to play online. This basic requirement with no single player makes it a MMO flight sim. I can do without that. If it had a single player mode then it would go on my "buy" list.

Hap, this whole thing has been causing a lot of confusion, so let me explain.

Rise of Flight does require an online connection all the time. HOWEVER, it has a Campaign mode, a Single Player Mission mode, and a Multiplayer mode. It's not entirely multiplayer combat...

And for future reference (as of now, that is), I posted a thread that contained SimHQ's review of the game along with some of their comments on setting it up. It discusses some pretty important things and also clarifies on some issues people have been having with the system:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149341

[Stealth Hunter]

STEAM & ROF arent the same thing. STEAM requires internet connection when you install your game, after that you can disconnect the internet and it still works. Whereas ROF needs internet connection ALL THE TIME.

What's the problem with this again? If you have an Internet connection, you're good to go. Really, it's not that frustrating...:nope:

[XabbaRus]

Because maybe some people don't want to connect to the net each time they fire up a game.

When I play sometimes I just put the PC on and start. And I know that in this day and age most people have an internet connection but what if they don't and really like fightsims esp. WWI?

I think the makers are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this. It all comes down at the end of teh day to choice. People want to be able to choose whether to be connected to the net or not.

So I and a lot of other people will choose not to buy it. A shame really.

It's the same with SF. A lot of people will not buy a game now that has SF in it.

UBIsoft realised that so with SH4 went with something else.

[HunterICX]

STEAM & ROF arent the same thing. STEAM requires internet connection when you install your game, after that you can disconnect the internet and it still works. Whereas ROF needs internet connection ALL THE TIME.
What's the problem with this again? If you have an Internet connection, you're good to go. Really, it's not that frustrating...:nope:

Like said before if we are without internet for a while (longer then just a couple of days), or you would be someone with a Dial up modem (they seem to rule them out too by their requirement of a smallband 512kb/s and for the dial up user it self who cant be online all the time)

Ow its not their fault? it IS their fault for not allowing people to play it OFFLINE any god for saken game I have has an offline its a MUST its a BASIC REQUIREMENT for a game that has a Sinlge player and Campaign.
Now another thing, IF they go bankrupt...their servers will be pulled down.
then what? throw the game away? ow wait..they come up with a patch (if your lucky) so you can play it offline...so whats the fricking DEAL for not allowing it in the first place.

also lots of people still have dial up modems...they have a good computer but live in a region where they don't have acces to cable/DSL they are taking a piss on them too you need at least smallband!
its a nice attidue of a company that brings out a WW1 flightsim
they are rare and yet they are ruling some people out by their behaviour and that just pisses me off.

HunterICX

[FIREWALL]

Game companys that went out of bussiness. Let's see. :hmmm:

MICROPOSE ? I'm sure our members can name others.

[XabbaRus]

Sierra IRC are anotherone. What about Orion games who made Ultima, are they still going?

[BilboSmeggins]

So I and a lot of other people will choose not to buy it. A shame really.


Until you hear about all the amazing times people who HAVE bought it are having. Then you will most likely succumb.

These arguments are almost a mirror of what was being discussed on the RSC forums regarding iracing before it went public. The true racing fans subscribed in the end......... :)

[AVGWarhawk]

It would seem that a lot of games are going this route. We either learn to work with it or spend our time with the games we have on disc that do not require nothing but a computer. I suspect the game will be playable offline. Jutlands program lets you play without a connection for up to 7 days. Does this limit the base of people who will purchase the game, sure. Probably not enough to warrant offering the game in any other format. We have to remember, this is a preliminary release. The thoughts of the consumer will be addressed and a happy medium found. I do not think how distributing the game and handling the internet connection is set in stone yet. I do not understand why there is such resistance to distributing games in this manner. It does not bother me in the least.

[AVGWarhawk]

Game companys that went out of bussiness. Let's see. :hmmm:

MICROPOSE ? I'm sure our members can name others.

Shame to see Microprose go. I loved Mechwarrior 3

[XabbaRus]

So I and a lot of other people will choose not to buy it. A shame really.

Until you hear about all the amazing times people who HAVE bought it are having. Then you will most likely succumb.

These arguments are almost a mirror of what was being discussed on the RSC forums regarding iracing before it went public. The true racing fans subscribed in the end......... :)

Unlikely I'll potter about with IL-2 and OOF mod.

[AVGWarhawk]

Some good response here on this online play only deal:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/March-2009/Online!!!-WTF---.aspx

I like the response that running the game like Loft wants to run the game will weed out the crazies and hackers you find in online games.

[Schroeder]

Is the forum supposed to be in Cyrillic?
My Russian is not that great, you know?:06:

[Kratos]

Is the forum supposed to be in Cyrillic?
My Russian is not that great, you know?:06:

Top left hand side ENGLISH no jarmin im afraid :O:

Still doesnt alter my state of mind about the game :salute:

[Dowly]

What's the problem with this again? If you have an Internet connection, you're good to go. Really, it's not that frustrating...:nope:

The problem is, that the players should have a choice. This online crap is "so they can update your profile with missions, kills etc.", so what if I dont want to have them updated for everyone to see? I see no real reason behind this "you have to be connected all the time" BS. Oh wait... is it to make it uncrackable? I give it 1 week tops and it's cracked.

[Schroeder]

Top left hand side ENGLISH no jarmin im afraid :O:

Still doesnt alter my state of mind about the game :salute:

I just wanted to see whether you have found that button too.:oops:

And you are right this game will be a no go for me!
I like my privacy.:yep: