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Elder-Pirate

03-09-09, 12:57 PM

For all you people whom think Vista is so great maybe you will notice the comment written in the link AVGWarhawk stated.

"After Windows Vista landed with a thud, Microsoft needs a hit, said Michael Cherry, an analyst for the research group Directions on Microsoft." :woot:

Whenever you get here "Windows 7" I'm waiting with XP. :arrgh!:

Wolfehunter

03-09-09, 01:41 PM

Yup vista is a pain in the rear end. windows 7 looks very promising. :yeah:

AVGWarhawk

03-09-09, 02:22 PM

I have no issues running Vista at all. I think a lot of it is unfounded at this stage of the game. I use it at home without issue. Many say that 7 is faster. Thus far, I have only seen faster boot up with 7. I will probably upgrade but I'm waiting to see the final result for 7 and if it is really worth it. In all reality, the only major grip by most with Vista is UAC. Personally, I have no issue with it. But, yes, MS needs to have this new OS flawless on release. It is getting close to release and hope posts like this help all make an informed decision. So far from what I have seen, my Vista is just fine. Either way I would not go back to XP. Great OS XP is but I find it drab now.

Wolfehunter

03-09-09, 03:58 PM

Oh I'm not going back to XP either. I'll stick with vista till the full release of windows 7. Unless MS does the same change with vista beta to Vista released when windows 7 is ready.

Task Force

03-09-09, 03:59 PM

I also have no issues with vista.:yep:

Zachstar

03-09-09, 05:02 PM

Why did you post a link to fox news when there is better computer news sources out there?

This fox news fanboyism is just out of hand. Same with the left posting everything from their darling MSNBC.

AVGWarhawk

03-09-09, 06:15 PM

Why did you post a link to fox news when there is better computer news sources out there?

This fox news fanboyism is just out of hand. Same with the left posting everything from their darling MSNBC.

Are we talking Windows 7 here or news stations? :06: Sure, there are better sources....funny though, the Vista forums/Windows 7 forums sponsored by MS did not make a mention of this today. :06:

PS: I find it hard to believe Fox lives on nothing but lies... I would suspect a libel suit might crop up every now and then, no?

Sledgehammer427

03-09-09, 07:31 PM

I tried the vista beta and was permanently scarred...ill stick with XPSP3

AVGWarhawk

03-09-09, 07:56 PM

I bet the beta scared the crap out of just everyone who touched it. Using Vista now for over two months...nothing to be scared of now. It is a good OS.

longam

03-09-09, 08:23 PM

Reece

03-09-09, 08:30 PM

I tried the vista beta and was permanently scarred...ill stick with XPSP3:yeah:
I certainly will give Windows 7 a go, sounds like the one Vista should have been, I will purchase a new HDD just for that, if there are any problems I can put the old HDD back!:yep:

FIREWALL

03-09-09, 09:37 PM

Hasn't anybody heard of dual- boot ?

Monica Lewinsky

03-09-09, 10:49 PM

I also have no issues with vista.:yep:

Ditto here. Have two Towers and one laptop on Vista - not a single problem, ever. One thing did have to go to the junk pile ... a HP Scanjet IIc SCSI scanner that had an estimated age of 14 YEARS! of use on it.

I took the oldest piece of junk [worst one] that I have in my spare junk stock pile of 6 PCs that my customers were going to throw into a Dumpster.

An Acer Veriton model 5200D only having 512 meg Ram, crappy on-board graphics card [guessing it has on 128 video ram or less], 80-gig h.d. and everything else is OLD "stuff" for hardware etc. ... and Windows 7 beta runs like a CHAMP!

Not a single problem installing and using it on the first try. It really is a speed demon [Windows 7 on hardware greater than 6 years old] for you folks pondering what to do 12-24 months from now.

XP got retired and I don't miss a single thing about it.

SteveW1

03-10-09, 12:49 AM

Theres been a new Windows 7 Beta 7048 leaked onto the net and every body who is using it say it's litterely Release candidate 1, I'm running the 7000 build and have no problems at all, it runs fantastic.

Steve

Sea Demon

03-10-09, 01:02 AM

AVGWarhawk

03-10-09, 08:21 AM

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/03/side-by-side-changes-from-windows-7-beta-to-build-7048.ars

AVGWarhawk

03-10-09, 08:27 AM

Yup vista is a pain in the rear end. windows 7 looks very promising. :yeah:

Oh Boy. Another new OS to look forward to. I just darn well better be able to play DW(LWAMI), SC(SCXIIc), and SH4 on the thing. And all the other non-gaming software I use as well. That's the part I hate about new OS releases.....:dead:

All should work without issue. SH4 worked straight out of the box for me on Vista Home Premium 64. COD WaW no issues. All non-gaming programs are fine. What I did not like was not having MS Office 2007 as part of the OS. It is a separate program that you pay for on top of the OS. :down: I have read that Windows 7 beta is great from the word go. MS needs to have a flawless new OS after the Vista debacle.

Onkel Neal

03-10-09, 09:09 AM

Just an aside, if I recall correctly, there were always sizeable numbers of people decrying every new release of Windows. Looking back, some versions were keepers (Win 95, Win XP) and some were dogs. My beef with Win Vsita are the system requirements. As a layman, I admit I don't know all the details that it takes to make an OS work, but I object to the ever-increasing amount of RAM and processing power it takes for Windows to open a file or manage my programs. Hopefully, Win 7 will be much "lighter".

AVGWarhawk

03-10-09, 09:16 AM

It kind of goes hand and hand. If the hardware makers are designing faster products, MS might as well make an OS that utilizes this speed. Vista core to speed is 'super fetch'. Vista is power hungry but if you feed it, it runs great. Even the game developers are utilizing this new found power and speed. We are seeing games that require dual cores and super lighting video cards. Rise of Flight for example. But, people like you and me will lay down the money for fast hardware because it is what we like to do with our spare time. We are just two of billions who do this as a hobby, etc. I can not be proof positive but Windows 7 will be just as hungry for power but, no matter, in a week you will have a fast computer that will take all comers with ease:up:

PS: Yes, I held onto Windows 98 until my hands could not clutch it anymore. I lived through XP.

Wolfehunter

03-10-09, 01:23 PM

Vista x86 & x64 is powerhungry for good and bad. SP1 fixed alot of problem since Vista's first release which makes my gaming much better. For myself personally I don't like it. I've used it for 2 years now. I'm not too fond of it.

Windows 7 looks simpler and I've test it abit. It runs my games better. I use vista programs on it and all works fine and it doesn't have all that nonsense bloated stuff in it.

My only consern is will MS do what they did to VISTA beta and mutilated it to current Vista as they are working on Windows 7 beta now to its future release? :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

03-15-09, 07:37 PM

Windows 7 in 2010? Looks that way...

http://windows7news.com/2009/03/10/no-windows-7-in-2009/

Fincuan

03-15-09, 07:49 PM

Thanks for posting. Being a beta user of W7 my first though was "Oh crap", but turns out beta users need not to worry:

"Beta version users who might have fears that their beta versions run out will have the opportunity to upgrade to the Windows 7 Release Candidate which - most likely - will not expire before the official release of the final version of Windows 7. It is however not sure at this point if the release candidate of Windows 7 will be made available publicly or only to the beta testers."

FIREWALL

03-15-09, 08:21 PM

How do I get the W7 beta ?

longam

03-15-09, 08:52 PM

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx

Arclight

03-15-09, 09:21 PM

What I don't understand is why Windows 7 won't let me select 1280x960 resolution; would be the correct 4:3 res for an old CRT monitor, right? Also doesn't let me select Hz; just "hardware default", which leeds to one of my monitors not working (thing reports 72Hz at 1280*960, but is only capable of 70Hz at that res. :rolleyes:). Seems a rather basic piece of hardware support, wouldn't you say? :hmmm:

Apart from that, it's great. Runs on pretty much the same amount of resources as XP (far from the hog Vista is), and I even installed the onboard LAN with XP drivers (compatibility mode) because there are no Vista ones. Works Great.

Running on old AMD Athlon 2GHz with 1GB DDR, IDE drives and Radeon HD2600 AGP. Faster then XP. :yeah:

After skipping on Vista (not just because of all the crap people said about it), I'm actually looking forward to this one. :yep:

AVGWarhawk

03-16-09, 09:42 AM

Vista is not scary. Two years ago it was horrid:o from the looks of it. So, we keep an eye on this OS and see where it takes us.:up: Until then, I'm enjoying Vista.

SteveW1

03-17-09, 03:57 AM

I've just installed the 7057 build of Win 7 beta and I gotta say the networking changes they have made between build 7000 to 7057 really :nope: it's taken me 3 days of tearing my hair out frustration to get Win 7 to see my wifes Win Xp Pro computer, what ever M$ did they really screwed up on the changes. They have implemented a new thing called Homegroups but that can only be used between Win 7 Computers, if you go through the normal process of trying to set up a network with a XP machine on it forget about it you can ping the machine but not see it.

Other than that I finally have SH3 running on Win 7 after finding a Budget version of SH3 with no Starforce protection.

Steve

AVGWarhawk

03-17-09, 07:22 AM

Windows 7 will certainly have it's trials and tribulation Steve. Concerning Windows, if it every went smoothly on the very first install we would not know what to do with ourselves. :03:

AVGWarhawk

03-17-09, 10:15 AM

Some more news:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/03/side-by-side-ui-changes-from-windows-7-beta-to-build-7057.ars

Wolfehunter

03-18-09, 10:29 AM

Some windows 7 tweaks if your interested.

http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2009/01/12/the-bumper-list-of-windows-7-secrets.aspx

:yeah:

CaptainHaplo

03-22-09, 09:25 PM

I am tweaking my main box with 7 now - and loving it. Much smoother than vista, though I don't like the hacks necessary to get back to the "classic" gui. Still - the background memory management and process count is MUCH better than Vista.

My main gripe so far - no Daemon tools. Thankfully I don't use it for illicet purposes, so clone virtual drive is working great for my image installs. Havent put any games on - yet - but gimme time!

Let me mention one massive improvement. The install process is SEAMLESS - fast and easy. MS has never had a OS of any type install this easy, and its good to see.

Yes, Homegroups looks troublesome - havent had time to play with that yet either. The idea is good - but what little I saw seems the implementation is bad.

Castout

03-23-09, 05:01 AM

Yup vista is a pain in the rear end. windows 7 looks very promising. :yeah:

I'm using Vista x64 and have no problem whatsoever. Of course I only made the switch after having more than enough safe margin, my PC specs that is. It's great. Fluid fast, beautiful and more secure.

My humble(not trying to be modest really) spec:
-------------------------------------------
Vista Home premium x64

8Gb DDR2 800MHz Memory

Intel Core 2 duo 2 GHz(Yea it's the determining factor in my Vista experience index of 4.8 out of 5.9 max)

9800GTX+ 512Mb
--------------------------------------------

I'm planning to change my processor to at least a 2.8GHz core 2 duo since I found out that many app and games are still not utilizing multicore capability leaving the speed of the single core a very important number and back then Core 2 Duo was expensive.....:hmmm: well at least for me lol

CaptainHaplo

03-23-09, 05:58 AM

My limiter on 7 is windows aero graphics - 4.4

The issue there is my graphix card - a X1650 pro - though for gaming graphics it scores a 4.6

Same scores as with Vista - though I havent rerun since I am not done tweaking yet. The big difference is 7 goes up to a max of 7.9 - where vista was 5.9

I am running a 4200 and have yet to have an issue with CPU speed, my bottleneck remains the vid card.

AVGWarhawk

03-23-09, 08:39 AM

My Vista runs great. I will probably migrate to 7 a few months after release.

longam

03-23-09, 07:20 PM

My Vista runs great. I will probably migrate to 7 a few months after release.

:up:

CaptainHaplo

03-23-09, 07:31 PM

Fully tweaked :

24 OS processes. Memory Footprint ~ .5Gb, Installed footprint - 7.51G (counting Avast and Updates)

Runs MUCH faster than XP or Vista - now I can see how people are running this on REALLY old P2 or P3 boxes.

Stable, fast and user friendly. The Gui tweaks are really all in the right places.

I have to say - MS keeps this from bloating and they have a real winner - both home and business market. Based off of what I have seen - if NAP and SMS can integrate seamlessly - I would consider a beta rollout to a department!

BIGGEST IMPROVEMENT - Unneeded services actually turn themselves OFF. Manual setting of a service - in most cases - means the OS will turn it on when needed - and turn it off when its not. This doesn't apply to everything - but most. FINALLY! The OS install comes in a close second.

SteveW1 has it right - the homegroups implementation is horrible. The idea is great - but the way they did it drastically needs improvement. It is NOT in any ways backwards compatible. You have to just about turn Homegroups off entirely to get it to see previous network resources.

Onkel Neal

03-27-09, 12:28 AM

Leak suggests Windows 7 on course for July release (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/250247/leak-suggests-windows-7-on-course-for-july-release.html)

But really, isn't it Vista II? Not in a bad way, but they rework Vista and give it a new name... it's not new from the ground up, is it?

AVGWarhawk

03-27-09, 12:11 PM

It is not new from the ground up. A lot of Vista is found in 7. From what I have seen it is faster. Of course the only fast thing I have witnessed is boot up is fast. Others that have used the beta said it is all around just faster and stable. A bit less with the administrator function as well. Also, it is not quite as power hungry.

Arclight

03-27-09, 04:53 PM

It's pretty much what Vista could have been, which basically means less bloat. For example, when you started Vista all kinda stuff like a clock and calendar and god knows what would clutter the desktop. That's all gone; probably still optional for people who like it, but not there initially.

The only reason it's not called Vista II is because MS is trying to put as much distance between them and "it" as possible. ;)

Onkel Neal

03-27-09, 04:55 PM

CaptainHaplo

03-27-09, 05:30 PM

Its very stable - fast and tweakable. One thing I really like is its ability to "self heal" - if something doesnt work - lets say you turn off a service you need - it will diagnose - and start the service - to fix the problem. Unneeded services shut themselves down. Some very good things here.

Lets talk stable - I have a couple of ways I can force blue screen on box with XP and vista. I have tried the same things and cannot even FORCE a bsod. Thats a danged good sign.

SteveW1

03-27-09, 07:30 PM

lol BSOD i've had a couple with Win 7, thought I would stick 4 gig of ram in my box running 32 bit version and it didn't like it one bit, lots of lock ups and a couple of BSOD's till I took that 4th gig out.

I'm going to swap back to build 7048 64 bit and see what the networking situation is like with that, as it's a total pain in the arse in build 7057 M$ totally lost the plot with networking in this build.

Steve

longam

03-27-09, 08:39 PM

Wasn't the story with Vista, when they were developing it, that after a few years they dumped the XP core upgrade and went to the server core, making the desktop OS as we know it go poof?

Arclight

03-29-09, 07:26 AM

Wouldn't know about that, not too familiar with the ins and outs of Vista, sorry. :(

I do have another question though: I'm planning a reïnstall. Instead of putting XP back on again, win7 would be an alternative.

From your personal experience, do you have...

1. ...trouble with your day to day software? (Defraggers, stuff like Skype, mediaplayers)

2. ...hardware trouble? (particularly worried about my soundcard, knowing Creative)

3. ...any other issues that make it unsuitable for install on main box for everyday use?

Would be nice to switch; 64-bit, DX10... wait, do I even want those? :hmmm:
*edit: is it possible to legally get a newer build (now 7000) from MS?

Fincuan

03-29-09, 09:21 AM

I do have another question though: I'm planning a reïnstall. Instead of putting XP back on again, win7 would be an alternative.

From your personal experience, do you have...
...

Would be nice to switch; 64-bit, DX10... wait, do I even want those? :hmmm:
*edit: is it possible to legally get a newer build (now 7000) from MS?

Hi

I've used the 64-bit Windows 7 beta build 7000 since January, and my experiences with it have been really good.

1) Daemon Tools was the only that didn't work, but I found a good working replacement for it(Virtual Clonedrive). Mediaplayers, video editing stuff, photoeditors etc have been working straight out of the box. Windows 7 also contains quite a lot of codecs by default, so you shouldn't need any kind of codec packs anytime soon. I'm currently running only ffdshow in addition to Windows' default codecs, and haven't yet come across a video I couldn't play.

2) None. Everything worked 100% out of the box. I'm using Vista x64 drivers where available, and Vista x86 drivers when x64 isn't available.

3) None in my opinion. Stable as hell, fast and good. I haven't seen a BSOD in months, though I did get a few just after install due to bad LAN card drivers. The only problem I can think of is that it's a beta and it'll expire, forcing you to uninstall/reinstall stuff since it won't be possible to upgrade the beta to the full version. MS has however promised that beta users can upgrade to the release candidate that should be out in a few months, and that the RC keys won't expire until well into 2010.

I'm not aware of any means to get a newer than 7000 build from MS. AFAIK all the newer ones are "leaked".

CaptainHaplo

03-29-09, 10:15 AM

Drivers - easy answer - if it has a vista driver - it will work. The core kernel is vista based (don't let that scare you off - its much better - just used vista as the foundation). So if you can't get vista drivers for your HW, then it may be a problem for you in 7.

Stability - is great. I haven't had a single problem out of this box yet, and I have TRIED to cause it problems.

Program compatibility - well now there are a couple of things here. If you run 64 bit - no really old 16 bit stuff will work or install. There are ways around it, but if you have to use legacy stuff - avoid the 64 bit version. However, also remember there will be no 16 bit support from now on - so you might as well move away from 16 bit apps if your using them. Also - a couple of programs don't recognize the OS - I have an epson printer that installed great, worked great, and upon reboot is now generic. Tried updating the drivers and the app didn't recognize 7. These issues are short term - but they are there.

I also mentioned daemon tools not working - but clonedrive works great as an image mounter as is noted.

You mentioned DX10 - I have bad news. You won't get DX10 with 7. It has DX11 :yeah: - though the word is they may swap down to 10.1 when they ship due to nvidia not having the ability to get their cards up to standard.

As for 64 bit - do you want it? Well - do you run over 3 gigs of ram? If so - yes.

Arclight

03-29-09, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the quick respons guys, I'm already backing stuff up and collecting new drivers. :D (once I get something in my head... :nope:)

One thing though; I have the 32-bit version :88). I downloaded it with the intention to run it on an older box only, but it's actually good enough to be a valid alternative for my "big iron". :D

No, I run 2GB. Been plenty with XP, so I guess there's no real reason for 64-bit anyway. I send an E-mail to MS asking abut the possibility to receive a 64-bit edition for evaluation, but I have this feeling it will be denied. :roll:

DX11 - yeah, noticed it had 11 this morning, when I ran DXDiag. Was a big surprise really, since there are rumours already that it won't be a part of the release. :hmmm:

Clonedrives aren't really a part of my day to day stuff. Used to use images extensively, but the DRM of late won't allow you to play from image. :shrug:

:hmmm:

I should check if I can boot from the disk. I don't remember making the disk bootable, just installed from XP on the other PC...
*edit: Yep, works like a charm. Will I need preinstall drivers, and will I get the option to format C: drive during install?

CaptainHaplo

03-29-09, 12:30 PM

Unless your using some wacky raid array - you won't need any preinstall drivers.

Yes - you can do a disk format (quick only) as well as repartition if you feel a need. Its an "advanced" option but I don't recall exactly where at.

And my own printer issues wasn't 7's fault - I just bought the printer yesterday and installed it - had to start the spooler module (as I had tweaked and disabled it previously) so when I rebooted - it didnt autostart. Have set it to auto and all is good.

Edit - installing - be prepared to be suprised - its fast, needs little user input, and pretty automatic.

Arclight

03-29-09, 01:25 PM

I went through the install once already, pretty painless indeed. :up:

I have a RAID0 array, which contains the page-file and games, but it's not the primary drive for the OS (1 drive, 2 partitions; OS+DATA/ 1 array with 2 partitions; PAGE+GAMES). Shouldn't be a problem, right?

Only quick format? Then how the heck am I going to do a full one? Guess I have to dig up MS-DOS again... that's gonna be a pain. :cry:

Any alternative for a full format of c: drive?

edit: recovery console perhaps? :hmmm:
edit2: RC should do the trick. Thanks Fincuan, CaptainH :salute: I'm "taking the plunge".

CaptainHaplo

03-29-09, 07:10 PM

You should be fine with that. As for a full format - just do a quick - no need to do a full as your just going to overwrite later. Quick is fine unless you actually NEED to check for bad sectors.

SteveW1

03-31-09, 05:59 AM

Well after going back to a previous build of Win 7 and trying to still work out the networking in it after 7 days I gotta say stuff it for the moment and reformated and put XP pro back on until M$ releases the RC1 (release candidate) for Win 7 I might then reinstall it to see if they have fixed the networking side of the OS.

I have got to say Microsoft should at least put out a product that is able to recognize either previous or newer versions of the OS, My wifes system which is sitting 5 feet away from my computer can see my computer but not access it even though I have given permission for it but Win 7 will not recognize XP in any network settings at all unless you go through a really stupid and roundabout way of adding a shortcut to it which is not networking.

Other than the networking side of Win 7 I have to say that for a Beta M$ have so far a good product but they need to fine tune it a bit more.

Steve

Arclight

03-31-09, 08:57 AM

Yeah, I'm struggling with the networking as well. Seems that you can't designate a workgroup on Win7. The XP PC will be part of a workgroup (default MSHOME), but since you can't add the Win7 PC to that homegroup it won't work. I can see the XP PC if I look at the network map btw, just can't connect(?). Thought about renaming the second network (Win7 PC>switch>XP PC) to match the workgroup name, but the network is listed as "unidentified network" making it impossible to change.

Also, the second NIC has an invalid IP config according to Win7. Troubleshooter suggests resetting router, but my router isn't even on that network! :-?

It's gonna take time to figure out, if it's even possible.

*edit: I has made progress :D
1. Right-click "computer" in start menu
2. select "map network drive"
3. in the window that pops up, select the "connect to a website that you can use to store your documents and pictures" link
4. follow the wizard. When you get to the 3rd window (I think), there's a "browse" button. Click it and Win will search the network, and the XP PC should pop up there and let you select a shared folder from it.

So mapping a network location on a XP PC from a Win7 PC works perfect. :yep:
Don't know yet about the other way around though. :hmmm:

Arclight

03-31-09, 10:21 AM

I has made more progress. :woot:

Pretty much the same thing for "XP to Win7"

1. right click "my computer" in start menu
2. select "map network drive"
3. select "sign up for online storage or connect to a network server" link
4. follow wizard. Select "browse" button on 3rd screen. Click "entire network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" > "Workgroup" and the Win7 PC should list there. Select shared folder and click "OK".

If the Win7 PC is listed but you can't browse it, enter the network address of the shared folder manually; instead of clicking the browse button in step 4, enter the address (example: \\WIN7PC\Shared Folder (file://\\WIN7PC\Shared Folder)). Complete the wizard.

These network locations won't show up in "my computer" in XP, but you can select "My Network Places" on the left (under "Other Places") and you'll find it there. It's also possible to add "My Network Places" to the start menu by ticking an option (in "Customize Start Menu") for ease of use.

Maybe adding a network location is somehow different then a network drive (wouldn't know, least experience is with networking), but for all my intents and purposes it works fine; access location on another PC over a network and manipulate files. You can stream music and video, or copy stuff back and forth no problem.

CaptainHaplo

03-31-09, 08:37 PM

Homegroups is an absolute mess. No doubt about it. The idea is sound - but not being able to be backwards compatible - its a fairly large step that needs to be implimented better. They are getting there.

Between 2 7 boxes its still a bit wacky - but not really horrible. I really would like to see how it does on a domain - but work won't let me put it on there for a test .... yet. :D This might be a good time to live by the rule its better to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission. However, I will have to do it on a test domain if I play that way.

Wolfehunter

03-31-09, 09:11 PM

I like windows 7. It runs my games better. I can get smoother game play than in vista.

I don't hate vista I just like things that work more efficient. I also find windows 7 more user friendly. :03:

longam

04-14-09, 03:42 PM

It sounds like Windows 7 RC release coming soon.

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/

AVGWarhawk

04-14-09, 03:47 PM

May or June I'm guessing. Poor buggers who ran the beta. MS recommends they start fresh with the RC.:-? I wonder if their copy is then free:hmmm: Doubt it:nope:

Zachstar

04-14-09, 04:57 PM

Windows 7 is great!

Trust me it is a HUGE departure from Vista. Processes are lower than expected and it boots and shuts down fast.

Finally I am no longer tempted to shut down the flashy features to reduce overhead! It just works.

Now I strongly suggest you do not use it as your main OS but when it does become available for purchase I will buy.

longam

04-14-09, 05:00 PM

Oh I'm sure they'll get a free copy, I received Vista Business for free from Channel 9 forum. Just watched 3 training seminars and answered a quiz at the end. :woot:

CaptainHaplo

04-14-09, 05:29 PM

Running Beta I have no problem doing a clean install to move to RC1.

Yes this is my game machine - but I love getting under the hood and tweaking - and seeing whats different. Its like modding except its not a game.

Just like most mods want you to install on a clean install - MS wants the same thing. From that perspective - its not a big deal.

Arclight

04-14-09, 08:36 PM

Same here; running fine as main OS. Few problems, but I'm sure they'll be fixed by release. :yep:

Kept the install "basic", so another format shouldn't be too much hassle.

Btw AVG: SH4 is running like a champ. You can sleep easy. :yeah:

Arclight

04-24-09, 11:57 AM

RC is confirmed to be build 7100, to be made available May 5th.

http://windows7news.com/2009/04/23/windows-7-official-release-candidate-is-build-7100/

And of course it has already been leaked.

http://windows7news.com/2009/04/24/windows-7-rc-leaks/

AVGWarhawk

04-24-09, 01:50 PM

Interesting. Let the games begin!:O:

Task Force

04-24-09, 07:57 PM

I hope MS dosent do something and mess this OS up.:hmmm: Or make it too expencive.

Arclight

04-24-09, 11:16 PM

Name one Windows that wasn't expensive. :rotfl:

longam

05-08-09, 09:12 AM

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/25/engineering-windows-7-for-graphics-performance.aspx
Engineering Windows 7 Graphics Performance

Onkel Neal

05-08-09, 09:55 AM

Microsoft, Intel goof up Windows 7's "XP Mode" (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/r2e-microsoft-intel-goof-up-windows-7s-xp-mode.ars)

When news of Windows 7's "XP Mode" came out recently, there was much rejoicing among those who were concerned about legacy support in Microsoft's upcoming OS. But now we learn that Microsoft and Intel have contrived to make XPM unavailable to many Intel users.

First they give us a needed feature, then they cripple it. Why am I not surprised? :haha:

Arclight

05-08-09, 11:34 AM

Not really crippled, but you're not gonna be able to use it on budget/entry level CPU.

And no, not surprising at all. :nope:

Platapus

05-08-09, 05:05 PM

As a layman, I admit I don't know all the details that it takes to make an OS work, but I object to the ever-increasing amount of RAM and processing power it takes for Windows to open a file or manage my programs. Hopefully, Win 7 will be much "lighter".

It would be nice if Micro$oft created just an OS with the option of adding any of the bells and whistles as the customer wants.

Do we really need an operating system that takes up 6 gig of hard-drive space and increasing amounts of RAM just to run? Especially when it is bundled with applications I would never use (but others might).

Is the day of "one windows OS to rule them all" still valid?

Arclight

05-08-09, 07:06 PM

Win7 nearly runs on XP footprint. Recent RC saw a further reduced memory footprint. Not much bells and whistles after install either; if you want them, you're gonna have to enable them. "Useless" stuff like windows search, games and tablet pc components can be easily yanked as well.

Honestly, I don't see how in this point in time a few gigs of HD space are an objection?

Fincuan

05-08-09, 08:15 PM

Well, I just installed the RC(build 7100) after removing build 7000, and oh my ain't it faster! Either they've made massive progress, or my previous installation was really porked. Win7 for gaming and Ubuntu for other uses is a great combination, and installation was extremely painless with Windows first, then Ubuntu using Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/)

Platapus

05-08-09, 09:10 PM

Honestly, I don't see how in this point in time a few gigs of HD space are an objection?

True, I am more concerned with the RAM usages

longam

05-08-09, 11:10 PM

I've come to the conclusion that Vista just came out to early for the hardware and now everyone is experiencing what the OS is really about.

Arclight

05-09-09, 03:45 AM

True, I am more concerned with the RAM usages
If it can run smoother than XP on a 512MB system, I'd say RAM requirement isn't that high.

I installed it on a friends PC: 1.8GHZ P4, 512MB RDRAM and Radeon 9250. He swore by XP, didn't like Vista one bit but still fell instantly in love with Win7. Not exactly a person that's easy to convince either.

Unlike other Windows, this one works well on systems that don't reach the requirements. I think MS put the requirements too high on purpose to avoid disappointments (and more lawsuits). Yes, it's better to meet the requirements, but you can definetly get away with 512MB (from what I heard Vista wouldn't even install on such systems).

Fish

05-15-09, 11:48 AM

I have a new pc with Vista (:hmmm:) and now I am looking for my 'favorites" map so I cand past the one I made a backup from when I used XP?
Any one who knows?

AVGWarhawk

05-15-09, 12:23 PM

I have a new pc with Vista (:hmmm:) and now I am looking for my 'favorites" map so I cand past the one I made a backup from when I used XP?
Any one who knows?

Your one source for anything Vista:

http://www.vistax64.com/

Excellent forum!

Fish

05-16-09, 10:15 AM

Your one source for anything Vista:

http://www.vistax64.com/

Excellent forum!
Thanks a lot.

Sledgehammer427

05-30-09, 11:15 PM

my mom got a trial copy of 7(RC1, build 7100), and shes making ME do stuff with it, (at 18, this is a wonderful experience, considering my version of xp ran slower than molasses in january, especially on startup) im loving this, its very nice, i told one of my friends,

"its like putting an ultra plush seat in a fighter jet, its easy to get in, comfy, and a helluva lotta fun to use"

danurve

06-02-09, 03:01 PM

I am looking at information saying 7 should be out by Oct 22 2009.

7 looks good, we've been testing jazz with it at work, from some of the builds to the current RC. Still using XP at home, going to bypass Vista.

The Plan (Cylon humor) Install it fresh on a VelociRaptor drive on my current Gigabyte board hosting 4 gigs GSkill ram & a 2.8 Brisbane. Tech freind of mine has a Raptor mainly for the OS and he likes it alot but I'm going for the 150, for the OS, Nuance, SH3, & maybe GRAW2. Why not a SSD? Not sold on them quite yet. Besides I think the space vs. cost & speed makes the VR drive a better deal. I know I know, the 640's are on sale, well I'm not a big raid fan. I guess I'm kind of using 7 as an excuse to get a Raptor ;)

Edited to add: I am looking forward to comparing 7's speech engine to Nuance 10.1 on a 10,000 rpm drive.