They are here.... Homegrown terrorists

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3625333&referralPlaylistId=playlist

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[Freiwillige]

Does not suprise me. Nothing in this "Great" modern world does. Man I miss the cold war.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Most perturbatory. Considering the source, I am skeptical of some of the claims, and these people are within their rights to operate these facilities.

Nonetheless, I hope that constitutional investigative measures are being pursued.

[Jimbuna]

Crikey!!...extremely worrying, if true :o

[Tribesman]

whats the worry ? freedom of speech and gun rights yeah:yeah:
OK sorry thats freedom of speech if people like what you say and the right to use guns to overthrow tyranny if other people agree on your definition of tyranny.

Nice timing Subman , you have destoyed the arguements in several topics...some of which you started yourself:rotfl:

[Kapt Z]

Does not suprise me. Nothing in this "Great" modern world does. Man I miss the cold war.

.....and cigars misused.:cry:

Am I being overy sceptical if I wonder- would this watch group be so concerned about nonIslamic wackos??? I'm sure we have enough of them in the US as well.:hmmm:

[Enigma]

Am I being overy sceptical if I wonder- would this watch group be so concerned about nonIslamic wackos??? I'm sure we have enough of them in the US as well.:hmmm:

Tons.

Lots of strange men, mostly of christian faith, who form their own militias, and wander around in the woods on "patrol", heavily armed with automatic weapons. Then you have the thousands who have no trust in federal government, so they arm themselves to the teeth and wait for the big war on the day that the government comes to take their guns. These are like the paranoid types who remove themselves from civilization and build bombs and stockpile weapons. Unabomber, The maniacs that were involved in bombing Oklahoma, those that bomb abortion clinics, eco-terrorists, etc,etc,etc. What these guys in this video are doing has been done for years in this country, by white Christians. Muslims are just much more scary to your average American, and perhaps rightly so, given the high profile terrorism commited by muslims over the last 20 years....

[Frame57]

Hmmm. Well, I have hiked and hunted in good portions of the mendocino forest, the Ozarks and the everglades and have never ran into militia men. The only thing I ever stumbled into was a pot farm run by illegals in the mendocino forest. :hmmm:

[Enigma]

Hmmm. Well, I have hiked and hunted in good portions of the mendocino forest, the Ozarks and the everglades and have never ran into militia men. The only thing I ever stumbled into was a pot farm run by illegals in the mendocino forest.

Ever run into a bunch of jihadists?

Oh, and, where was that farm? :haha::03:

[AVGWarhawk]

My Boy Scout camp was never like that. :hmmm:

[Frame57]

Hmmm. Well, I have hiked and hunted in good portions of the mendocino forest, the Ozarks and the everglades and have never ran into militia men. The only thing I ever stumbled into was a pot farm run by illegals in the mendocino forest.

Ever run into a bunch of jihadists?

Oh, and, where was that farm? :haha::03: about 10 miles ne of lake pilsbury. I GPS's it and when I hiked out I radioed my buddy who is a deputy and they nailed these dudes. Nope never have run into jihadists either. What freaked me out about the Mendocino is that it is vast. About 5 years back deep into the forest, I always put grub out of reach of bears. We set up camp and went out scouting came back to camp and the tents were demolished and the food was gone. Not another human being for miles and miles TMK. Had to be either a 12 foot bear or a human being or..........

[Max2147]

Wait, homegrown terrorists are only arriving now? Silly me, I thought Timothy McVeigh was an American. The liberal media must have fed that lie to me.

Maybe some people here think that McVeigh was a 'freedom fighter' instead of a terrorist. After all, by gun-toting conservative Christian Americans can't be terrorists, right? To be a terrorist, don't you have to be either a liberal or a Muslim?

[Frame57]

Gosh! Geee! I just do not know of any "Gun toting American Conservative Christians" that are hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings or Cutting the heads of of people on Al Jazeera TV. You need to have a windshield installed right about where your belly button is....

[Freiwillige]

Be sure if those camps were run by Neo Nazi's or the KKK or white separatists the federal Government would be storming in there like there was no tomorrow constitutionally protected or not.

Some issues are just to politically sensitive to touch until airplanes start flying into buildings that is.

[Kapt Z]

Be sure if those camps were run by Neo Nazi's or the KKK or white separatists the federal Government would be storming in there like there was no tomorrow constitutionally protected or not.

Some issues are just to politically sensitive to touch until airplanes start flying into buildings that is.

Maybe the Feds are still smarting from Branch Davidian fiasco.....:hmmm:

[SteamWake]

Wait, homegrown terrorists are only arriving now? Silly me, I thought Timothy McVeigh was an American. The liberal media must have fed that lie to me.

Lets not forget Obama's pal William Heirs... but hey thats not important.

Terroist on american soil... all I have to say is... Welll duh.. :shifty:

[Max2147]

Gosh! Geee! I just do not know of any "Gun toting American Conservative Christians" that are hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings or Cutting the heads of of people on Al Jazeera TV. You need to have a windshield installed right about where your belly button is....
Foreign terrorists are terrorists too. They exist everywhere. I'm just saying that homegrown terrorists are nothing new. SUBMAN1 was acting like this was a new phenomenon, even though the worst terrorist attack on US soil pre-9/11 was perpetrated by a 100% homegrown American terrorist.

But since Timothy McVeigh was a gun toting conservative Christian who attacked the federal government because he resented their interference in his life, I get the sense that some people here consider him a hero instead of a terrorist. Never mind the fact that he knew the closest thing to his bomb was a daycare.

I fully agree that homegrown terrorists, whatever their ideology, are a problem and should be dealt with by the law. I just prefer to call ALL homegrown terrorists bad, not just those who I disagree with. I'm a liberal who thinks the Vietnam War was a huge mistake (for strategic, not ideological reasons), but I still think that Bill Ayers should have been locked up for what he did and what he tried to do.

[Frame57]

Gosh! Geee! I just do not know of any "Gun toting American Conservative Christians" that are hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings or Cutting the heads of of people on Al Jazeera TV. You need to have a windshield installed right about where your belly button is....
Foreign terrorists are terrorists too. They exist everywhere. I'm just saying that homegrown terrorists are nothing new. SUBMAN1 was acting like this was a new phenomenon, even though the worst terrorist attack on US soil pre-9/11 was perpetrated by a 100% homegrown American terrorist.

But since Timothy McVeigh was a gun toting conservative Christian who attacked the federal government because he resented their interference in his life, I get the sense that some people here consider him a hero instead of a terrorist. Never mind the fact that he knew the closest thing to his bomb was a daycare.

I fully agree that homegrown terrorists, whatever their ideology, are a problem and should be dealt with by the law. I just prefer to call ALL homegrown terrorists bad, not just those who I disagree with. I'm a liberal who thinks the Vietnam War was a huge mistake (for strategic, not ideological reasons), but I still think that Bill Ayers should have been locked up for what he did and what he tried to do.I agree with you. But I am a gun toting Christian conservative and I think Timmy was a whacko. Blowing up buildings or abortion clinics is done by nutjobs and give law abiding people of the same faith a bad name. the same happens with the muslims etc... But I denounce the actions of these people and thet do not represent 99% of the rest of us by no means.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Point of interest; Timothy McVeigh and the Unibomber and their ilk were lone whackos or members of a small organization. In this case we are talking about a domestic terror threat by one of the world's most organized religions.

As an avid proponent of the seperation of church and state and the right to religous freedom, I would never condone any censure of Islam. However, they should not be afforded any special treatment, either.

These groups warrant legal investigative attention from law enforcement agencies, and nothing more. The seperation of church and state and the right to religious freedom are too often confused with an inability to investigate or prosecute invidual members religous institutions, should they be suspect or guilty of criminal activities.

[Overboard]

Homegrown terrorists ?...This is going to suck in a major way say oh in 5 years or less. What a screwed up world we live in.

[Frame57]

Where the hell is Dick Marcinko when you need him?

[Max2147]

Point of interest; Timothy McVeigh and the Unibomber and their ilk were lone whackos or members of a small organization. In this case we are talking about a domestic terror threat by one of the world's most organized religions.

As an avid proponent of the seperation of church and state and the right to religous freedom, I would never condone any censure of Islam. However, they should not be afforded any special treatment, either.

These groups warrant legal investigative attention from law enforcement agencies, and nothing more. The seperation of church and state and the right to religious freedom are too often confused with an inability to investigate or prosecute invidual members religous institutions, should they be suspect or guilty of criminal activities.
I agree with your larger point, that these groups should be investigated like any other group that advocates violence. Religion - any religion - should not be an effective cover to keep a violent group safe from investigation or, if necessary, prosecution.

However, I disagree that Islam is one of the world's most organized religions. In fact, it's one of the most disorganized out there. The vast majority of Islamic terrorism and violence is directed against other Muslims. There is no central Muslim authority these days, and Muslim nations squabble with each other more than they squabble with outsiders. Just today Morocco broke diplomatic relations with Iran because Morocco thinks Iran spreads the wrong kind of Islam. No religion ought to be treated as a monolithic bloc, and that's especially true for Islam.

[UnderseaLcpl]

@ Max2147

You're right, and I seem to have misspoke. I meant one of the world's most major organized religions.