Indoctrination or...

[SteamWake]

Childrens book producers rush to get Obama books out.

Is this indoctrination or just supply and demand?

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/04/obamas-story-a-page-turner-for-youngsters/

[Digital_Trucker]

Bit of both, I believe. Perhaps they should wait to write the books until after we know what kind of Prez he is.

[AVGWarhawk]

Kids are not enthralled by Obama's story, adults are enthralled in making money off of this. Look at the inaugural day....get a coffee mug, t-shirt, cap, mouse pad, doll, stickers, flags with Obama on it. It looked like the outside of a football stadium on game day. Granted it is a very interesting story inclusive of media and the campaign coverage, definitely a defining moment in history but...come on, kids are enthralled?

[Enigma]

Oh for goodness sake.....:yawn:

[Letum]

I'm not sure there is much point indoctrinating the young to like someone they can never vote for.

[SteamWake]

I'm not sure there is much point indoctrinating the young to like someone they can never vote for.

To start them down the path?

I dont remember, was there any rush to print "See George run" books?

[Enigma]

I dont remember, was there any rush to print "See George run" books?

You don't see the difference? :yawn:

[SteamWake]

I dont remember, was there any rush to print "See George run" books?

You don't see the difference? :yawn:

No, could you spell it out for me?

[UnderseaLcpl]

I don't have a problem with this at all unless these books become mandatory in schools.

[Enigma]

H-A-C-K.

Bush is a former oil man/baseball team owner with a Father who was head of the CIA and POTUS. He got involved in the family business.

Obama is the son of an Immigrant, the first African American President of the United States. His is a fascinating,and uncomparable story. (see book sales).

There's something very Rush Limbaugh-ish about your disdain of anything Obama. (not suprising, given that Rush owns Republicans, it seems). Are you foolish enough to think that publishers are mass producing books in order to indoctrinate children? Or is it possible that that easiest explanation, that people find Obama's story an inspiring one for children and adults alike, is true?

Your getting incredibly boring, Mousewake.

[SteamWake]

You know your right..

Bush had a buisness background from "Big Oil" and good deal of experience with the CIA and other political establishments.

The other is a former 'activist' pop culture icon.

Yes I see the difference now.

Im sure the book publishers are interested in profits first, that is after all what keeps them in buisness. I hope they make tons of money from the sales of the books so the federal goverment can tax them out of existance.

I never once implied that their ulterior motive was to indoctrinate children, that was the articles inference. The anchor post asked for opinions.

But there is no question in my mind that the popular media at large is enamord with Obama and are falling over one another to prop him up.

I have nothing agains Obama himself. No what I dislike is the fact that he lies to the american people, presents himself as the saviour, a centrist, yet he is none of the above.

Heres an opinion piece from Fox news about the 5 top 'promises' by the chosen one which were broken. Certainly consider the source but I challange our liberal friends out there to debunk any of these 'facts'.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/03/kerpen_obama_budget/

[Letum]

I'm not sure there is much point indoctrinating the young to like someone they can never vote for.
To start them down the path?

I dont remember, was there any rush to print "See George run" books?
Down the path to what?

it can't really be down the path to voting for Obama unless he runs for office in 2025.


I mean, it is more than a little weird, but I'm not sure if it can be called indoctrination if there isn't some kind of desired resultant behavior.

[AVGWarhawk]

H-A-C-K.

Bush is a former oil man/baseball team owner with a Father who was head of the CIA and POTUS. He got involved in the family business.

Obama is the son of an Immigrant, the first African American President of the United States. His is a fascinating,and uncomparable story. (see book sales).

There's something very Rush Limbaugh-ish about your disdain of anything Obama. (not suprising, given that Rush owns Republicans, it seems). Are you foolish enough to think that publishers are mass producing books in order to indoctrinate children? Or is it possible that that easiest explanation, that people find Obama's story an inspiring one for children and adults alike, is true?

Your getting incredibly boring, Mousewake.


Which part is inspiring? I find none of it inspiring. Are you getting shivers up your leg:06: Come to think of it, I do not know anyone who finds his story inspiring. They like him but inspired? No.

This is just another cash grab. Not indoctrination.-shrug- Things do not pick up this book as well has all the other goodies will be on the $1.00 table at the local church bazaar.

[Enigma]

You have nothing against Obama, except he's a liar, and you started a thread about indoctrinating children with books about him, and then posted 5 broken campaign promises. :har: Say it with me...Mouse! Mouse!

The other is a former 'activist' pop culture icon.

The "other" is the President of the United Sates. He was also a Senator, and a community organizer. While that title may be funny to you and Sarah Palin, it's nothing short of a grass roots, royalty free level of organizing people in a specific community to act in their own self interest. Sure, that's worth belittling isn't it....

I never once implied that their ulterior motive was to indoctrinate children, that was the articles inference. The anchor post asked for opinions.

Read the title of this thread. Watch the mouse spin....


But there is no question in my mind that the popular media at large is enamord with Obama and are falling over one another to prop him up.

...and in the same post you supply an article from the popular media claiming 5 broken promises from Obama. :hmmm:


I have nothing agains Obama himself. No what I dislike is the fact that he lies to the american people,

:yawn:

presents himself as the saviour

No he doesn't. Inconvenient for your spin, I know. But he doesn't.

Per the article, you again make the mistake of thinking that liberals run around thinking Obama can do no wrong, which if you were paying attention to anything liberal writers are saying about Obama, is not true. And The presidency is what, a month or so old? :haha:

Interesting that a month in, the right all of a sudden learns the word "liar". It's laughable, given recent history.....

[Enigma]

Which part is inspiring? I find none of it inspiring. Are you getting shivers up your leg:06: Come to think of it, I do not know anyone who finds his story inspiring. They like him but inspired? No.

Well, lots of people find it inspiring that a man from his background and race can aspire to be President. It's not like his story isn't unique. He's the first African American President. African Americans couldn't even eat in the same restaurants as white people 40 years ago....:-?

[AVGWarhawk]

Which part is inspiring? I find none of it inspiring. Are you getting shivers up your leg:06: Come to think of it, I do not know anyone who finds his story inspiring. They like him but inspired? No.

Well, lots of people find it inspiring that a man from his background and race can aspire to be President. It's not like his story isn't unique. He's the first African American President. African Americans couldn't even eat in the same restaurants as white people 40 years ago....:-?

It is a unique story but I do not feel inspired. Nothing more. I do not need a hat, cup, mug, shirt, book, sneakers, socks or PJ's with his image on it. 40 years ago? Lets take a look at those before Obama. These are inspiring people. Obama is just reaping what they sweated and toiled for. It is called Black History Month. What next? Obama month? The guy has not done a darn thing yet. All that has happened is a change of how campaigning is done and how to use todays tech to win.

[August]

I'd say a lot of this Obama paraphernalia is sold to people hoping to cash in on it's collectors value in a few years.

[Enigma]

It is a unique story but I do not feel inspired. Nothing more. I do not need a hat, cup, mug, shirt, book, sneakers, socks or PJ's with his image on it.

Ok. So?

40 years ago? Lets take a look at those before Obama. These are inspiring people. Obama is just reaping what they sweated and toiled for. It is called Black History Month. What next? Obama month? The guy has not done a darn thing yet.

Wait, what? :doh: Black History month means there will be Obama month? Fortget that 40 years ago black people were second or third class citizens, and now a balck man is President? This has no relevance?!? This really ignores the dark side of our own history....

Oh, and he got elected President. He's done something.

I actually feel sorry for people that see no significance in his being elected. YOu don;t have to agree with him to realize what a signofocant even it is for this country. But if you don, *sigh* you don't.....

[Sailor Steve]

I'm inspired by the thought that in my lifetime we have made the changes that Enigma spoke of. Obama himself? I'm waiting to see how it turns out.

The guy has not done a darn thing yet.
True. Unfortunately while some look negatively at those who seem to worship him, they don't look at themselves condemning him. Campaign promises unfulfilled? Typical of all politicians.

Some of his comments, particularly the one practically worshiping labor unions, are starting to bother me. And I've disagreed with him on a lot of political points from the start. But, as been said, he hasn't really done anything yet, so only time will tell.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'd say a lot of this Obama paraphernalia is sold to people hoping to cash in on it's collectors value in a few years.


Read a few back bro.....when this cash grab Obama has spearheaded comes crashing down you will find these items in the trash or at the $1.00 table at the local church bazaar. The first stimulus check was cut months ago....we ain't seen nothing! Since he has been in office the stock market has done nothing but go down! Face it. The stock market has crashed but DC is not going to utter these words. Hell no! Time will be spent handing out billions and advising this will take years to fix. In the mean time DC will hope to hell it all works out.

[AVGWarhawk]

It is a unique story but I do not feel inspired. Nothing more. I do not need a hat, cup, mug, shirt, book, sneakers, socks or PJ's with his image on it.

Ok. So?

40 years ago? Lets take a look at those before Obama. These are inspiring people. Obama is just reaping what they sweated and toiled for. It is called Black History Month. What next? Obama month? The guy has not done a darn thing yet.

Wait, what? :doh: Black History month means there will be Obama month? Fortget that 40 years ago black people were second or third class citizens, and now a balck man is President? This has no relevance?!? This really ignores the dark side of our own history....

Oh, and he got elected President. He's done something.

I actually feel sorry for people that see no significance in his being elected. YOu don;t have to agree with him to realize what a signofocant even it is for this country. But if you don, *sigh* you don't.....


Read it again Enigma....those before Obama that sweated and toiled are inspiring. No where did I say this was not relevant. I said these folks are inspiring. MLK, Tuskegee Airmen....relevant and inspiring. Where did I ignore anything? Did I say it was not significant that he was elected? No. I said I was not inspired. Ok. So?

Another day sparing with Enigma! :D

[SteamWake]

Hrm... Bush wasent a president then I take it.

Look Id love to continue to argue with you but its a waste of my time. You seem fixated on this mouse thing yet the wetlands project remains in the bill. I looked for it but its hard to find amongst the 9,000 other earmarks.

I see a lot of denial in your statements "Grass Roots movement without Royality" by that Im hope you mean Royality as in the royal family and not financal compensation. If it was the latter you would be sadley mistaken.

[Enigma]

Hrm... Bush wasent a president then I take it.

No idea what you mean by this.

Look Id love to continue to argue with you but its a waste of my time.
How convenient.

You seem fixated on this mouse thing yet the wetlands project remains in the bill. I looked for it but its hard to find amongst the 9,000 other earmarks.
I will continue to remind you that you spin, spin, spin in the name of party politics, truth be damned. Don't do it, you won't have to hear it.

I see a lot of denial in your statements "Grass Roots movement without Royality" by that Im hope you mean Royality as in the royal family and not financal compensation. If it was the latter you would be sadley mistaken.
Show me my denial. I'll be here.

[Tchocky]

Obama is known as a great orator.

So was Hitler.

JOEINCIDENCE?!

[AVGWarhawk]

Obama is known as a great orator.

So was Hitler.

JOEINCIDENCE?!

You know, when this 'indoctrination' thread was started my first thoughts were Hitler Youth....I was not going to bring it up....darn it......just did:x

[Tchocky]

Defective sense of historical perspective. Recalibration required.

Update drivers, reboot.

[Enigma]

Defective sense of historical perspective. Recalibration required.

Update drivers, reboot.

:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Defective sense of historical perspective. Recalibration required.

Update drivers, reboot.

Defective? How? Just stating this was the first thing that came to mind with the word "indoctrination" :D

[UnderseaLcpl]

Defective sense of historical perspective. Recalibration required.

Update drivers, reboot.

Defective? How? Just stating this was the first thing that came to mind with the word "indoctrination" :D

User command Defective? How? Just stating this was the first thing that came to mind with the word "indoctrination has caused a fatal exception in SOCIALIST.exe

SOCIALIST.exe has encountered an error and is not responding. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Would you like to;

Send an error report to https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08splashnd
or
Close the Program (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/)

[CaptainHaplo]

I was at the library this weekend - my son's chess club had a fun meet, and while I whiled away the time reading - a woman walked in. She was wearing an Obama for President T-shirt. She asked, in a rather loud voice - "Wheres the meeting at?" This was pretty much shouted out to all the patrons.

One of the librarians approached her and asked her what she meant. She responded by loudly proclaiming that there was supposed to be a meeting of the local democratic party and she wanted to know where everyone was. *I guess this meant that none of the library patrons were good democratic worker bees?* Anyway, come to find out she said the meeting was supposed to be at the local polling place, but that was the fire department down the road and no one there knew anything about it, so she was told to check at the library. With children in the meeting room playing chess, it should have been obvious there was no party meeting. The librarian courteously suggested that perhaps the woman should call the local party office and inquire.

The lady got rather perturbed that no one seemed to be informed as to the meeting and its location, and stormed out ranting about how everyone in the biulding must be a "damned lying republican" because we were - and I kid you not - out to deprive her from attending the local party meeting.

All I can say is I understand how Obama got elected now - its summed up in one word that describes the "average" voter today (of any political stripe).....

CLUELESS

[baggygreen]

All I can say is I understand how Obama got elected now - its summed up in one word that describes the "average" voter today (of any political stripe).....

CLUELESSI reckon add to that Lazy and Apathetic, and you're developing a great picture of most of the western world's voters

[A Very Super Market]

Or the lady was an idiot? Are you saying that Republicans have never done that either?

[Enigma]

:har:

I love the theme among the fringe around here of "Obama got elected because the voters are all stupid".

How do we account for 8 years of Bush? Did all the intelligent voters die in his 2nd term?

Laughable, at best. Sad, at worst....:yep:

[rubenandthejets]

Oh, thats easy, Enigma...
Bush didn't get elected. :rotfl:

Don't you remember all that hanging chad and disenfranchise a few hundred thousand likely Democrat voters stuff?

Rigged, stole, cheated are some words that spring to mind, but elected?

[CaptainHaplo]

Enigma and Market - you know - before you jump off your own deep end and "repeat" comments that were never made - you really should read what is written vs what you WANT or EXPECT to read.

I specifically said:

"that describes the "average" voter today (of any political stripe)....."

Of any political stripe would not be pointing at democrats specifically, nor would it be giving republicans some magic pass (and for the record - their candidate wasn't all that great either).

The fact that you both would post infering that somehow republicans were not also included - not only ignores what was posted, but it in some ways placed yourselves into the same category as the average voter - appearing CLUELESS - because you didn't even pay enough attention to read it through, and instead felt OBLIGATED to be offended or otherwise "wronged".

Thank you for proving the point, even if your intent was different.

I do not mean this ugly, but you have to accept that you need to pay more attention to what is stated, and not jump off a bridge without looking first. Well ok you dont HAVE to - but when you don't pay attention - you are likely to get the results pointed out to you rather harshly.

[August]

Oh, thats easy, Enigma...
Bush didn't get elected. :rotfl:

Don't you remember all that hanging chad and disenfranchise a few hundred thousand likely Democrat voters stuff?

You mean the ones recounted repeatedly after the election by GoP hostile news organizations that all confirmed Bush's win?

But speaking of remembering I also remember the Democratic parties attempts to invalidate millions of military member absentee ballots both in Florida and in the rest of the nation because they tend to vote republican. I remember the Dems launching lawsuits to get Ralph Nadars name off the ballot in nearly every state. I remember their demands for repeated recounts in Florida but only in the counties they dominated, while simultaniously trying to prevent recounts everywhere else.

Yeah I remember the 2000 Florida election but to me the right person prevailed.

[SteamWake]

:har:

I love the theme among the fringe around here of "Obama got elected because the voters are all stupid".

How do we account for 8 years of Bush? Did all the intelligent voters die in his 2nd term?

Laughable, at best. Sad, at worst....:yep:

No not 'stupid', clueless was a better descriptor, un-informed, enamored, charmed, duped, are a few others. Of course there is a large majority hoping for change, problem is they dident even know what the change might represent.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/Condy.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

No not 'stupid', clueless was a better descriptor, un-informed, enamored, charmed, duped, are a few others. Of course there is a large majority hoping for change, problem is they dident even know what the change might represent.
But that's exactly what the left said when Bush was elected. Both times. I'm not an Obama fan, but then I wasn't a Bush fan either. In both cases it sounds like sour grapes to me.

[SteamWake]

No not 'stupid', clueless was a better descriptor, un-informed, enamored, charmed, duped, are a few others. Of course there is a large majority hoping for change, problem is they dident even know what the change might represent.
But that's exactly what the left said when Bush was elected. Both times. I'm not an Obama fan, but then I wasn't a Bush fan either. In both cases it sounds like sour grapes to me.

Well the main difference is Steve is that even now there are some of the Obama supporters who at the time said 'Hey maybe he is okay' or 'Lets give him a chance' are now saying 'Oh my god I did not realize what a liberal he really is' or 'Oh my goodness he is not the man I was lead to believe he was'.