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XabbaRus
02-26-09, 12:42 PM
Start of the season is soon approaching.
The good news is it looks like there will be 20 cars on the grid with Honda looking like a management buy out. They are preparing to test next week.
Can we have this stickied?
ReallyDedPoet
02-26-09, 12:51 PM
Looking forward to it, though I am still disappointed there is no stop here in Canada.
Max2147
02-26-09, 02:12 PM
To get everybody fired up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtms1IppbPg
Not the official intro, but the BBC has confirmed that they will bring back The Chain.
VipertheSniper
02-26-09, 05:00 PM
I just hope the racing will be better than the looks of the cars... because they look ghastly
Falkirion
02-26-09, 05:45 PM
First twilight grand prix of the year as well here in Melbourne. I'm looking forward to seeing how well Albert Park manages to hold up. The residents always whinge everytime the GP is in town.
Max2147
02-26-09, 06:54 PM
I just hope the racing will be better than the looks of the cars... because they look ghastly
Heidfeld said that he's been better able to follow other cars in testing than in previous years. So hopefully the ugliness will be worth it.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73397
I just hope the racing will be better than the looks of the cars... because they look ghastly
Wish I could have been able to watch F1 during the 50s and 60s. Those cars were deathtraps, but they sure were beautiful!:up:
I just hope the racing will be better than the looks of the cars... because they look ghastly
Wish I could have been able to watch F1 during the 50s and 60s. Those cars were deathtraps, but they sure were beautiful!:up:
Oh so agreed, but exactly those dangers were one of the things that made the drivers back then more then just proffessional drivers.
That said, it will be interesting to see what effect the new rules have on F1 racing. Should be pretty interesting.
Hope Vettel will live up to the hopes some put on him! :rock:
antikristuseke
02-27-09, 03:47 AM
These days most motorsports have become too sanitized and safe. Not that I want people getting killed, but I do miss some of the exitement. A good example of that lovely insanity was Group B in rallying. Nothing like a 500+ hp monster screaming past spectators centimeters away.
Warning: Clip contains insanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UuZ5mauKk
These days most motorsports have become too sanitized and safe. Not that I want people getting killed, but I do miss some of the exitement. A good example of that lovely insanity was Group B in rallying. Nothing like a 500+ hp monster screaming past spectators centimeters away.
Warning: Clip contains insanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UuZ5mauKk
:rock:
Oh, and Kubica will be champ this season! (I hope)
Schroeder
02-27-09, 06:32 AM
These days most motorsports have become too sanitized and safe. Not that I want people getting killed, but I do miss some of the exitement. A good example of that lovely insanity was Group B in rallying. Nothing like a 500+ hp monster screaming past spectators centimeters away.
Warning: Clip contains insanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4UuZ5mauKk
My god those fans were really insane.:down:
If I had been a driver back then I wouldn't have dared to drive through them.
Well there was a reason for why the Group B cars became forbidden....:nope:
XabbaRus
03-09-09, 08:40 AM
Keeping my cool but it looks like the Brawn BGP01 is quick out the box.
I know this is testing but it is encouraging...
antikristuseke
03-09-09, 12:12 PM
Oh, and Kubica will be champ this season! (I hope)
Aye, Kubica for the win!
HunterICX
03-09-09, 12:40 PM
I dont care who wins this season as long it isn't the reign of Mclaren and Ferrari again :nope:
HunterICX
Max2147
03-09-09, 12:50 PM
Keeping my cool but it looks like the Brawn BGP01 is quick out the box.
I know this is testing but it is encouraging...
It's encouraging for sure. But remember the story of Prost in 2001 - testing the car underweight in order to attract sponsors with impressive times.
XabbaRus
03-09-09, 01:03 PM
I don't think Brawn is that dumb.
They probably were working a qualifying setup making sure they could get a fast setup and later in the week will work on race pace. The signs are good though.
XabbaRus
03-10-09, 07:32 AM
Barricello is 2nd behind Kimi Raikonnen with a 1.20.996
Also apparently Jenson wasn't running with an empty tank yesterday but with a decent load.
GO JB and RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am glad BMW seem to be strong. Also, imagine the face-palming that will happen at Honda if the pulled out and sold moments before a Championship winning car hit the ground.:rotfl:
http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/tzlgtcps1.jpg
XabbaRus
03-11-09, 12:08 PM
Button fastest with 1.19.something and that in a racing simulation too so with fuel.
Ferrari looking good but KERS giving problems. I think only Ferrari and Red Bull will be using it.
McLaren at the bottom of the time sheets. Rumours are they have problems with the rear wing but could also be sandbagging. I believe the former not the latter as since in season testing is banned it would be pointless.
Hamilton flew off track. Good photo at pitpass.com
I liked Lewis last year but I've always wanted to see JB do well. I've always been more a driver supporter than a team supporter but my team is BGP001 and JB with RB.
Williams have always been my main team, mainly due to Mansell and Hill.
XabbaRus
03-11-09, 02:48 PM
I see Falvio is shooting his mouth off again.
He always seems to be thi first to accuse others of cheating especially if his team isn't doing so well, but if the shoe is on the other foot then that is fine.
Remember the mass damper thing. Questionable legality, clever interpreation of the rules by Renault engineers.
The Toyota and Williams engineers have found a loophole in the rules which the FIA have said is ok. That is what makes great standout of good. It might not be with the spirit of the rules but that's racing.
Flavio wants things in black and white. Well I've just seen a flying pig.
Konovalov
03-11-09, 06:43 PM
Barricello is 2nd behind Kimi Raikonnen with a 1.20.996
Also apparently Jenson wasn't running with an empty tank yesterday but with a decent load.
GO JB and RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get overly excited about testing and I wouldn't read too much into it. So far pretty much every team has at one stage been at the top of the time sheets on one day or another. Remember last year and Williams. All the talk was how quick they had been in testing pre-season and look how it all turned out for them come season proper. The only lap times that count start at Melbourne where I wouldn't be surprised if half the field don't make it to the end of the race. Not to mention half the field will probably have to come in for new oversized nose cones/front wings after numerous incidents on the first lap.
VipertheSniper
03-11-09, 07:06 PM
I see Falvio is shooting his mouth off again.
He always seems to be thi first to accuse others of cheating especially if his team isn't doing so well, but if the shoe is on the other foot then that is fine.
Remember the mass damper thing. Questionable legality, clever interpreation of the rules by Renault engineers.
The Toyota and Williams engineers have found a loophole in the rules which the FIA have said is ok. That is what makes great standout of good. It might not be with the spirit of the rules but that's racing.
Flavio wants things in black and white. Well I've just seen a flying pig.
Got a link for that story??
And as far as I can remember, that mass damper thing was only outlawed after some teams ran to the FIA and complained, only because they weren't as successful with their implementations of it as Renault.
Max2147
03-11-09, 10:07 PM
I see Falvio is shooting his mouth off again.
He always seems to be thi first to accuse others of cheating especially if his team isn't doing so well, but if the shoe is on the other foot then that is fine.
Remember the mass damper thing. Questionable legality, clever interpreation of the rules by Renault engineers.
The Toyota and Williams engineers have found a loophole in the rules which the FIA have said is ok. That is what makes great standout of good. It might not be with the spirit of the rules but that's racing.
Flavio wants things in black and white. Well I've just seen a flying pig.
Got a link for that story??
And as far as I can remember, that mass damper thing was only outlawed after some teams ran to the FIA and complained, only because they weren't as successful with their implementations of it as Renault. Here's Flavio's complaints: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73673
McLaren were the team that got mass dampers banned. Apparently they tried them but couldn't get them to work right, so they decided to get them banned. The irony is that some McLaren fans now use the banning of mass dampers as evidence for the supposed grand FIA-Ferrari conspiracy.
XabbaRus
03-12-09, 11:07 AM
Barricello is 2nd behind Kimi Raikonnen with a 1.20.996
Also apparently Jenson wasn't running with an empty tank yesterday but with a decent load.
GO JB and RB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't get overly excited about testing and I wouldn't read too much into it. So far pretty much every team has at one stage been at the top of the time sheets on one day or another. Remember last year and Williams. All the talk was how quick they had been in testing pre-season and look how it all turned out for them come season proper. The only lap times that count start at Melbourne where I wouldn't be surprised if half the field don't make it to the end of the race. Not to mention half the field will probably have to come in for new oversized nose cones/front wings after numerous incidents on the first lap.
True but the thing is the BGP001 is consistenly quick. Given the lack of testing this year there is no point doing uber fast low fuel laps. I believe we are seeing the true pace of the car which out the box is quick.
Would love to see them beat MM. I like Lewis but have always hoped for JB to do well.
Max2147
03-13-09, 09:32 AM
McLaren are finally publicly admitting that their car is too slow: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73695
The Brawn car looks legit. They just keep getting faster and faster. But I think there's still a big question mark about their budget. Keeping a car at the front of the grid in F1 requires a heck of a lot of in-season development, and I'm not sure if Brawn has the money to fund that.
Oh so agreed, but exactly those dangers were one of the things that made the drivers back then more then just proffessional drivers.
And that's the reason I'm a Kimi fan :yeah: the only one who drinks alcohol, and goes to a party before the race, instead of training in the gymn... Now that's the spirit of romatic and macho racing I like :rock:
XabbaRus
03-13-09, 01:10 PM
I agree with you on that one Hitman. There are few if any James Hunts...
Jame Hunt...that was a GIANT :salute:
I have no idea if he would win races today if he was now 25 or 30 years old, may be not because most of the grid guys are super-atlethes on strict diets and routines (Geeeez Fernando Alonso even lost 5 kg to compensate the new KERS :nope: ), but if you really, really think about it, motorsports racing is after all the "masculine" side in all of us, the roar, the competition, the excitement, the anger, the nerves, the sweat....and all that without the beer, the cigarette (Even if I don't smoke) and the GIRLS is simply, well....another elite competition sport like any of the Olympic ones.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3010/hunt.jpg
My respects to the long ago gone era heroes :salute:
Jame Hunt...that was a GIANT :salute:
I have no idea if he would win races today if he was now 25 or 30 years old, may be not because most of the grid guys are super-atlethes on strict diets and routines (Geeeez Fernando Alonso even lost 5 kg to compensate the new KERS :nope: ), but if you really, really think about it, motorsports racing is after all the "masculine" side in all of us, the roar, the competition, the excitement, the anger, the nerves, the sweat....and all that without the beer, the cigarette (Even if I don't smoke) and the GIRLS is simply, well....another elite competition sport like any of the Olympic ones.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3010/hunt.jpg
My respects to the long ago gone era heroes :salute:
I remember watching a documentary about F1 in the early 70s and there was one video clip that had me rolling on the floor....
A driver(might have been Hunt) had just won a race(don't know when or where) and they were handing him the trophy on the podium. He smiled at the official, ignored the trophy and took the hand of the pretty girl and lead her off stage as the 'trophy' he really wanted!
:rotfl:
The audience went nuts......:salute:
danlisa
03-17-09, 11:23 AM
Wins not Points to decide Champion!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7948455.stm
Not sure about this one.:doh:
The only plus side to this new rule is it will make drivers & teams take risks during the race. It might make for better viewing.
antikristuseke
03-17-09, 11:33 AM
In all honesty, this sounds stupid. It is a rule that makes no sense, a gimmic if you will, but if it does make for more exiting racing, which I seriously doubt, I wont be complaining.
Schroeder
03-17-09, 11:41 AM
I think this sucks.:down:
You are not rewarded for tactical driving any more. Imagine a driver who wins 4 races and scores second places in another 10 races would not win if another manages to get 5 victories and fails on all other races. What stupid rule is that?:timeout:
Welcome to:
The 2nd is the first looser, only victory counts.:shifty:
danlisa
03-17-09, 11:54 AM
I think this sucks.:down: What stupid rule is that?:timeout:
17 races this season, if driver 'A' wins the first 9 why should any other team even bother to see the season out?
I thinks Bernie has finally lost it........well more than usual.
XabbaRus
03-17-09, 12:14 PM
That argument I disagree with. If a driver won X number of points and therefore couldn't be beaten no matter what the rest of the season then why bother?
That has happened before when a drive locked up a season almost half way through.
Hell I don't care I just want to see some good driving. It has got TOO tactical in F1...
BGP001 & JB/RB for the win.
Max2147
03-17-09, 12:17 PM
This sucks. I liked the FOTA 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 proposal.
The worst part about the current system is that it attempts to mash two systems together - the medals system and the points system. It just won't work.
Bernie is under the impression that teams don't race for the win anymore. He's wrong.
Max2147
03-21-09, 10:40 AM
Hahahahaha! FOTA uses the FIA's own rules against them and forces the FIA to abandon the new points system! :har:
If a driver won X number of points and therefore couldn't be beaten no matter what the rest of the season then why bother?
That has happened before when a drive locked up a season almost half way through.
Hell I don't care I just want to see some good driving. It has got TOO tactical in F1...
BGP001 & JB/RB for the win.
You have a point there, Xabba :yep:
Captain Vlad
03-27-09, 02:07 AM
Williams and Toyota doing very well in practice...wonder what quali will look like.
Loverly! Getting it all live on free to air HDTV down here. One sport'd coverage is excellent!
Damn you! The coverage is crap here.
XabbaRus
03-27-09, 09:36 AM
BBC has got replay on their website of the whole of first practice. The website is really good. Good to see Williams, Toyota and Brawn in top 6.
Flavio is moaning again!!!!!!
Max2147
03-27-09, 09:58 AM
Williams! Didn't see that coming.
The cars look a lot better on TV than they did in pictures. The Williams in particular is a very smart looking car. The Renault is still hideous.
The 'Diffuser Gang' are dominating right now. Let's see how long it takes for everybody else on the grid to copy their design, now that it's legal. Apparently Red Bull are moaning loudest because they can't fit the double decker design on their car.
And so it begins. :rock:
Hopefully Kimi get's the title this year, he's cool. :har:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvJxP16v0Jg
And Kimi on a finnish car TV-show, takes the Ferrari 430 to track (english subtitles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbI93pXXGvk
bert8for3
03-27-09, 11:04 AM
Looking forward to the first race, it's going to be interesting to see how the pecking order works out. Even if the diffuser gang are out in front, there should be some good racing. Going to be interesting to see how much overtaking there'll be.
XabbaRus
03-27-09, 11:13 AM
Apparently Red Bull are moaning loudest because they can't fit the double decker design on their car.
Ah boo hoo hoo.
This is going to be fun. Guess which numpty will hit the KERS button just after the start hoping to get ahead before the first corner and smashing into everyone?
Ah boo hoo hoo.
This is going to be fun. Guess which numpty will hit the KERS button just after the start hoping to get ahead before the first corner and smashing into everyone?
How many teams are actually using the KERS? I read on the F1 site that some teams won't be using it for at least a few races.
And Kimi on a finnish car TV-show, takes the Ferrari 430 to track (english subtitles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbI93pXXGvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbI93pXXGvk)
Now I know why you have so many F1 and Rally world champions: Anyone who can master that language will find driving on the edge simply easy....:har:
Eww... Hamilton just grabbed his bollocks on live telly. :dead:
XabbaRus
03-28-09, 05:55 AM
Get in, BGP front row lockout.
Pace looks very good and remember they do Q3 with race fuel so we'll see. Given it is a close top 10 I think they will be running similar.
I pray for reliability tomorrow.
Last news is.....Brawn GP did his 1-2 Q with a heavy fuel load when compared to the other Q3 competitors :o Amazing pace they have :up:
Massa is already saying that they'll be champions by June :haha:
I'm a Kimi fan, but I admit that if this year's championship went to Jenson Button I'd be almost equally pleased. A guy I have liked since long, a good driver and also with a personality ... the brit that should have been world champion already long ago :yep:
Let us hope the FIA doesn't come up again with one of his "unfair-but-we-want-you-know-who-to-win" decissions and screws the season...
bert8for3
03-28-09, 07:55 AM
Quite the qual, talk about everything upside down. And with the exception of BGP, who do seem to be seriously ahead of anyone else, and the very back runners, the bulk of the field is so close together that "best of the rest" is completely up in the air.
XabbaRus
03-28-09, 09:25 AM
I'm debating whether to watch live or not as i get to involved. I might just get the result off the net and watch the replay in peace.
Max2147
03-28-09, 10:51 AM
Let us hope the FIA doesn't come up again with one of his "unfair-but-we-want-you-know-who-to-win" decissions and screws the season...
The FIA decision won't really affect the balance of things. Either they'll say the trick diffuser illegal and the Diffuser Gang will drop back to everybody else, or they'll say it's legal and everybody else will build trick diffusers and catch up with the Diffuser Gang. Either way, the DG will lose about half a second to the rest of the field.
In other news, both Toyotas failed technical inspection for overly flexible rear wings and have been sent to the back of the grid. Toyota are not appealing the decision.
Williams protested Ferrari and Red Bull, apparently over an aerodynamic piece on the front of their sidepods. Williams withdrew the protest before the stewards reached a conclusion.
Hamilton will start from the back after changing his gearbox after qualifying. That became a P18 start when the Toyotas were sent to the back.
XabbaRus
03-28-09, 03:14 PM
I wrote over at BBC that I have a sneaky feeling that the FIA appeal will come out in Brawns favour given the waves they are making in a positive way for F!.
They are bringing excitement, people are talking about F!. It would make the FIA look very stupid and put a stain on F1 if they dissallow the diffusers especially if Brawn win the first couple of races.
Considering that Red Bull who are protesting did very well today and they have no diffuser thingy...
********NG BLIND A**HOLE BARRICHELLO! GET SOME GLASSES YOU GIT!! http://www.gotomycodes.com/userpics/myspacegraphics/Emoticons/Angry-Emoticon-2.gif
LOLOLOLOLOL @Vettel & Kubica! :har::haha::har:
XabbaRus
03-29-09, 04:09 AM
That's racing Dowly I think Rubens was great.
Get in Jenson...
Great race by Jenson, well deserved win :up:
Great race by Kubica and Vettel, undeserved stupid end for both. That said I don't think Vettels is exclusively guilty of the accident, but he is responsable of having put a hard fight with a too superior car.
But the star of the race in my opinion is also Hamilton. If someone had doubts about his quality when driving on a weaker car, they should be gone by now. He drove an excellent and faultless race, taking calculated risks when conditions favoured him, and took the best out of what material he had. A brillliant and well fought race by the champion :salute:
Alonso had bad luck at the start, then dilluted in the mid-field struggling agianst the Toyotas. The great move Glock made on him received a mild fight back, but somehow I saw more aggressive defences from him in other situations. IMO he is already running with a calculator in his mind, in view of the crazy season that has started, and in the end it came out well - he bagged some points. Albert Park also didn't favour much the R29, let's see what happens in Malaysia.
The FIA decision won't really affect the balance of things. Either they'll say the trick diffuser illegal and the Diffuser Gang will drop back to everybody else, or they'll say it's legal and everybody else will build trick diffusers and catch up with the Diffuser Gang. Either way, the DG will lose about half a second to the rest of the field.
Right, but the thing is how fast can the rest cacth up, with the limited testing available right now :hmmm: Eventually JB could bag enough points to resist the others catching up lately; that's how Alonso achieved his two titles.
XabbaRus
03-29-09, 04:51 AM
Like I said given the way Brawn GP has put some life back into F1 I think the FIA will rule in Brawns favour. There would be such a hoo ha if they didn't. Besides the way that BMW and Red Bull were up there shows that the diffuser isn't that much of an advantage. The Williams dropped back and Ferrari retired. KERS will be more of an advantage at the next race with longer straights.
I hope Brawn can keep this up.
badhat17
03-29-09, 05:45 AM
25s penalty for Jarno sees Lewis inherit third spot on the podium.
Trulli's comment on it is that Hamilton slowed down and moved to the side of the road and pretty much let Trulli past him. Maybe Lewis though he had passed Trulli "illegally" earlier. Kinda messy situation. Still hate to see this happen like this. :nope:
Schroeder
03-29-09, 09:53 AM
Too bad about Kubica and Vettel.:nope:
At least Vettel admitted his mistake and did not blame other drivers.:yeah:
I still don't see the advantage of that KERS stuff. When everyone has it in the foreseeable future no one has an advantage any more and overtaking is as difficult again as without.:shifty:
HunterICX
03-29-09, 11:06 AM
Too bad for both drivers in the end, but I say its part of racing :rock:
great start for a season :DL
HunterICX
I still don't see the advantage of that KERS stuff. When everyone has it in the foreseeable future no one has an advantage any more and overtaking is as difficult again as without.:shifty:
yeah, when LH used it at the very end of the race I got impression that it increases power by 8 HP instead of 80. Good that sth else than Ferrari and Maclaren appeared-we will see how long they stay on the box.
bert8for3
03-29-09, 01:23 PM
Entertaining race. Nice to see B&B 1/2.
XabbaRus
03-29-09, 04:06 PM
They reckon it will be of more use at Sepang with the longer straights.
I still hope Brawn will be on top.
although Lewis got lucky with RK and SV taking each other out it was still a good drive in a rubbish car. I think it puts paid to the "can only do well in a good car argument"
This year's cars are the ugliest I have seen for a long time.
antikristuseke
03-29-09, 05:45 PM
So is your face!:D
Bad jokes asside, I agree.
Entertaining race. Nice to see B&B 1/2.
Agreed!:DL
XabbaRus
03-30-09, 03:45 AM
This year's cars are the ugliest I have seen for a long time.
You think so? I think the Brawn is the best looking and they look better without all those winglets etc hanging off them.
HunterICX
03-30-09, 03:47 AM
The tail is something to get used too seeying it, but the noses defintly looks better.
HunterICX
ReallyDedPoet
03-30-09, 07:16 AM
You think so? I think the Brawn is the best looking and they look better without all those winglets etc hanging off them.
Ditto, I think they look ok :yep:
I think the Brawn is the best looking and they look better without all those winglets etc hanging off them.
Am I the only one to find a similarty in its look with the 2001 Ferrari? The nose resembles the old Ferrari a lot :hmmm:
I think the only car that looked worse than this year's initial effort was a couple of years ago when some teams ran cars with very tall aero structures either side of the cockpit for a few races.
This year's cars design rationale are explained here:
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=77454044011&h=raVvJ&u=fdPJb&ref=nf
Falkirion
03-30-09, 11:42 PM
Looking forward to Malaysia after Australia, usually get a good race thanks to Sepangs flowing layout
bert8for3
03-31-09, 07:45 AM
This is also pretty good on the tech stuff ... http://www.f1technical.net/ . Myself, I like the look of this year's cars, with some reservation in the case of the front wing which looks like a big snow shovel out front.
I see Malaysia is going to start at 5pm local time also. I guess it makes the timing better for the larger tv audience, but it's bad news for the drivers, you could see from the late stages of Melbourne that there must have been some pretty bad glare and light/dark areas. It doesn't leave much spare time either in the event of long delays.
XabbaRus
03-31-09, 02:56 PM
Could anyone tell me what Piquet Jr is doing in an F1 car. I don't think he will last the season. Flabio isn't reknowned for his patience with drivers who don't perform.
Could anyone tell me what Piquet Jr is doing in an F1 car. I don't think he will last the season. Flabio isn't reknowned for his patience with drivers who don't perform.
I heard Fabio had had a pretty colourful conversation with Piquet. Basically saying that having Piquet as lastname isnt enough to keep driving in the team. And I agree, he really is having trouble keeping himself on the track.
Actually, I dont think F1 has ever had as few replacements as for this season. The only new face is Buemi, who replaces Vettel, who in turn replaces the only driver who actually left: Coulthard.
Next season will se bigger changes, I reckon. Exit for Piquet, Barrichello, Fisichella and maybe Nakajima and Bourdais- and even Raikkonen might decide its time to drink more and give the middle finger to the media circus. I think Kovalainen needs a strong season too.
The only drivers (IMO) that can do what they want this year without getting sacked are Alonso, Kubica, Hamilton, Vettel, Massa and Rosberg. Oh, I accidentally put them in a not so random order.:)
Max2147
03-31-09, 06:36 PM
I think we might see Grosjean in the Renault race seat before too long.
Could anyone tell me what Piquet Jr is doing in an F1 car.
Keeping Alonso happy and quiet :haha:
I think we might see Grosjean in the Renault race seat before too long.
... unless he threatens to be as quick as Alonso :har:
Max2147
04-01-09, 08:02 PM
Oh dear, looks like Lewis might be in a bit of trouble: http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-hamilton-facing-possible-fia-perjury-hearing/
VipertheSniper
04-02-09, 06:01 AM
Oh don't you just love the inconsitency in FIA rulings? Trulli gets 25 seconds penalty for overtaking when the SC is out, and Lewis gets disqualified... couldn't they just let it be? After all they switched back to their positions... Or better give Hamilton a 25s penalty too. But NOOO Lewis gets disqualified for something another driver gets a 25s penalty. I'm by no means a Hamilton fanboy, but this is ruling is just what it is: CRAP
SO he lied about the reason why Trulli did overtake him, and yeah that's not good sportsmanship, but they are racing for points and I think would Trulli have been in the same situation, he probably would've done the same. Of course this whole ordeal could've been avoided if Lewis told the truth, but it's still a crap ruling...
Uh ... no way. When you lie to the stewards you better be prepared to get slapped. Hard.
Schroeder
04-02-09, 07:29 AM
Uh ... no way. When you lie to the stewards you better be prepared to get slapped. Hard.
Yep, let it be a warning to the other drivers/teams that they should finally stop playing tricks and go back to racing again.:nope:
Hamilton had orders to let Trulli pass during SC, Trulli though Hamilton had problems and overtook him. After the race, Hamilton lied to the judges that Trulli had overtaken him during SC and that he didnt let him pass on purpose. Serves the git right, I've never liked Hamilton because of his arrogant style, now I like him less than I liked Montoya. Hope he finishes the season on last pos and get kicked out of the F1. :nope:
HunterICX
04-02-09, 08:42 AM
Yep, let it be a warning to the other drivers/teams that they should finally stop playing tricks and go back to racing again.:nope:
Agreed!
HunterICX
Lewis and McLaren DISQUALIFIED :o
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5133847,00.html
What the .... ? If we let another week go by, we will see Webber (who crossed the finish line last) winning the race after all the previous competitors have been sidelined by the FIA!!
This is pure madness, how can an activity that calls itself sport ALWAYS change its results weeks later in the courts??? :nope:
Max2147
04-02-09, 12:14 PM
The irony is that if the stewards in Australia had figured out immediately that Hamilton was lying to them, they wouldn't have penalized him for it. There have been countless cases where a driver/team's explanation for an accident is rejected by the stewards, which is basically the same as the stewards saying they lied. I can't think of a single case where the lie itself was explicitly punished by the stewards.
So Hamilton isn't really being punished because he lied, he's being punished because his lie worked.
The other irony is that the journalist (Adam Cooper of SpeedTV.com) who wrote the story that blew the whistle on this is a Lewis Hamilton fan.
And Hitman, F1 isn't a sport. It's a soap opera that happens to hold races every two weeks. If it were just a sport it would be pretty boring.
This is pure madness, how can an activity that calls itself sport ALWAYS change its results weeks later in the courts??? :nope:
Trulli got penalty off something Hamilton did on purpose, then Hamilton dared to lie about it, why on earth wouldnt he be disqualified.
Trulli got penalty off something Hamilton did on purpose, then Hamilton dared to lie about it, why on earth wouldnt he be disqualified.
I don't critisize the penalty itself, but the fact that it is not done by a referee or a sports judge in that moment (As you see in soccer, basket, hockey, etc.) but instead DAYS or even weeks later, completely changing all results. What good is watching a race end now, if it can change so much in the following days?? :nope:
Max2147
04-02-09, 01:06 PM
I don't critisize the penalty itself, but the fact that it is not done by a referee or a sports judge in that moment (As you see in soccer, basket, hockey, etc.) but instead DAYS or even weeks later, completely changing all results. What good is watching a race end now, if it can change so much in the following days?? :nope:
The evidence wasn't available at the time. The SpeedTV.com article that revealed that Hamilton was lying wasn't published until after the stewards handed down their decision.
Should the stewards have investigated the incident more thoroughly? Absolutely. But they were also being deliberately misled by Hamilton and McLaren.
Hamilton enjoys penalties:
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/03/hamilton-fined-for-speeding-in-pits/
Practice #2:
01 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:35.707 40 laps
02 F. Massa Ferrari 1:35.832 38 laps
03 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:35.954 40 laps
04 N. Rosberg Williams 1:36.015 39 laps
05 M. Webber Red Bull 1:36.026 36 laps
06 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:36.161 37 laps
07 J. Button Brawn GP 1:36.254 31 laps
08 K. Nakajima Williams 1:36.290 35 laps
09 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:36.397 40 laps
10 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:36.401 35 laps
11 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:36.515 30 laps
12 J. Trulli Toyota 1:36.516 34 laps
13 S. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:36.628 32 laps
14 T. Glock Toyota 1:36.639 29 laps
15 F. Alonso Renault 1:36.640 20 laps
16 A. Sutil Force India 1:36.875 36 laps
17 R. Kubica BMW 1:37.267 38 laps
18 S. Bourdais Toro Rosso 1:37.278 30 laps
19 G. Fisichella Force India 1:37.432 27 laps
20 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:37.930 37 laps
Tee hee hee, stupid LH. :har:
antikristuseke
04-04-09, 05:03 AM
Bloody hell, this has been the msot exiting qualifying session in a long, long time.
VipertheSniper
04-04-09, 07:18 AM
Arrogance of Ferrari or technical problems with Massa?
Any opinions?
antikristuseke
04-04-09, 09:19 AM
Neither, just an inability to realize how much the track improved during Q1 to put in a proper lap when trakc conditions were better. Silly mistake, but as Massa said himself, no one person to blame, a collective team f'up
It's really worrying to see Ferrari doing the same stupid mistakes that killed them last year :damn:
The FIA decided the championship with his punishments to Lewis, but had Ferrari not done the idiotic mistakes we saw, then Mass would have been able to have a decent fight for the title with Lewis even if the FIA hadn't screwed the latter.
Most annoying this Ferrari foulness :88)
bert8for3
04-04-09, 05:38 PM
Bloody hell, this has been the msot exiting qualifying session in a long, long time.
Agreed. Used to be that Q1 was pretty much a throwaway 'cause you knew who was going to be dropped. Now it's up in the air, and there's little if any safety in posting a quick time early in Q1, evidence today. :yep:
Cool to see a website that has an off-topic forum with a topic dedicated to one of the three pinnacles of motorsport (the other two being MotoGP and World Rally Championship).
Hopefully, I'm not the only one here that hates that sorry excuse of a sport (if you can call it that), NASCAR, with a burning, undying passion
antikristuseke
04-05-09, 02:32 AM
You mean Non-Athletic Sport Centered Arround Rednecks?:smug:
I think it is boring myself, though still have respect for the drivers and teams. While it is a completely diferent discipline of motorsport it still takes a great deal of driver skill and team tactical thinking to be successful there.
Granted, anyone who will willingly do 500 laps in what is basically a fuel tank with a steering wheel attached to it is a better man than I am. Still, I'd have a much higher opinion of NASCAR if the buffoons managing the sport weren't so insistent on racing almost exclusively on oval circuits. Its not like every track here in the states only has left turns; I think Laguna Seca is probably the most exciting and undalating piece of road in the world.
NASCAR sucks. :yep:
As on the topic, too bad about Kovalainen, sucks.:nope:
Wohoo!! Heavy rain expected!! :rock:
antikristuseke
04-05-09, 05:10 AM
This is'nt racing, this is sailing!:D
But epic racing till that point, EPIC!
I think Laguna Seca is probably the most exciting and undalating piece of road in the world.
Agreed, Laguna Seca is one of my all time favorite racing circuits, along with Donnington Park.
Allso, what the bloody f is Ferrari doing, they seem hell bent on sabotaging their own chanses at every damned possible oportunity. It is as if the whole damned team management has been replaced with retards.
Indeed... this is sailing... :haha:
And aye, Ferrari's doing some crappy decisions. Tho, it could've worked and if it would've, Kimi would more than propably be on the top 3 atm.
Jimbuna
04-05-09, 05:24 AM
Soooooo what are the chances of Hamilton retaining his title? :hmmm:
:DL
antikristuseke
04-05-09, 05:25 AM
Somewhere between slim and none, I'd say, but it is only the begining of the season so things can change.
I think Laguna Seca is probably the most exciting and undalating piece of road in the world.
Best US track!:up: I love watching mid 90`s cart on that track.
Damned red flag! This race was very good up until the flood. It was amazing to watch Hamiltons McLaren blast past Webber(?) when he hit the KERS button.
Crap, Kimi's out of the play. :shifty: Tho, didnt look like it bugged him much, he was happily eating ice cream. :har:
bert8for3
04-05-09, 08:38 AM
What a great race, until it was stopped by the rain.
As to the decision to start this race at 5pm local time: :down:
Let's see: 5pm local start = virtual guarantee of rain well before race ends = rain will be virtually guaranteed to be too heavy to race = virtual guarantee that race will be red-flagged. So the booby prize to the genius or collection of geniuses who decided on a 5pm start, thereby wrecking an excellent race.
HunterICX
04-05-09, 09:01 AM
Great race, too bad for the default ending...but still the chaos was fun to watch :yeah:
HunterICX
Max2147
04-05-09, 12:18 PM
Damn you Bernie for making the race start at 5 pm! If it had still been light I think they would have been able to start again.
That was an absolutely amazing race up until the red flag. Some really awesome racing, even in the dry. I'm absolutely loving these new rules - they've really been everything that they were promised. So far this season has been far and away the best I can remember, and I think it's only going to get better!
Jimbuna
04-05-09, 12:39 PM
Well done Jenson :up:
....and as for Bernie the Bernard :down:
Another great race by Lewis, from all drivers in the grid I feel he did the best job for the material available :salute: Superior driving in the wet, good strategy, and again aggression when necessary mixed with cold blood when required. A very different Lewis from the previosu two years, a more mature driver now that his anxiety of being recognized formally as a world champion has been calmed. For the spectacle it is great that his car is this year so bad, he can delight us with those excellent drives like in Australia and Malasia....if he had the superiority of the 2008 McLaren, combined with his current driving quality, this would be a repeat of the Schumacher domination from years ago.
Kimi....oh God what can I say....Ferrari did it again :damn: At least he showed again a personality by directly saying he was not getting again into the car to waste time, it went well in the end when the race wasn't started, but that must have annoyed Bernie a lot HA HA HA :haha:
Alonso was most deceiving. A fantastic start, reminder of the good old times, plenty of aggresion and skill, and then he got slowly overtaken by the rest of the pack. Yes he had the car with most weigth, and it was logical to end like that, but his aggression dropped a lot after the start. Then he went off during the first minutes of rain, -something annoying as he is reputedly a good driver in the wet- and screwed it, also suffering some bad choices by his team.
Rosberg had bad luck, what a pity, I would have loved to see a Williams in the top :stare: I'm a Kimi fan drivers wise, but as for the teams, I have always had a preference for Sir Frank's enterprise :yeah:
No need to say much about Jenson, again a well deserved win that makes me happy for him, for Brawn, and for the sport. Jenson drove very well and what's most important -the brand of the champion- faultless and with a cold head.
Max2147
04-05-09, 09:28 PM
Another great race by Lewis, from all drivers in the grid I feel he did the best job for the material available :salute: Superior driving in the wet....
.... aside from getting overtaken by Mark Webber about 5 times in the wet, despite having a KERS advantage.
When they showed Lewis coming out of the pits after it started raining, I turned to my friend and said that Lewis would really show his stuff now, since he's great in the wet. I looked a bit silly when Webber flew past him a couple corners later!
.... aside from getting overtaken by Mark Webber about 5 times in the wet, despite having a KERS advantage.
When they showed Lewis coming out of the pits after it started raining, I turned to my friend and said that Lewis would really show his stuff now, since he's great in the wet. I looked a bit silly when Webber flew past him a couple corners later!
Their back and forth was some of the best racing of the day.:up:
.... aside from getting overtaken by Mark Webber about 5 times in the wet, despite having a KERS advantage.
This year's Red Bull is clearly superior to the McLaren for now, Lewis put a good fight with what he had IMHO. :up:
More&faster
04-13-09, 12:54 AM
great season so far. i sincerely hope jenson can go all the way. i also hope lewis gets penalized HEAVILY for lying to the stewards and putting the sport into disrepute.
no matter what comes to lewis and mclaren though, nobody is as big a loser this season as honda. oh, man did they mess up when they sold the team. :har::wah::damn:
nobody is as big a loser this season as honda. oh, man did they mess up when they sold the team. :har::wah::damn:
Yeah, they really couldnt know how fast they were, they had no reference point until the tests close to the season start, but maaaaaaan that must be annoying after pouring truck loads of cash into a dog of a car for years.:rotfl:
XabbaRus
04-15-09, 04:28 AM
FIA has ruled the diffusers legal.
Renault say they are ready to fit one for China. We'll see about the others.
Common sense has prevailed. I still think Brawn will have the upper hand for the next 2 to 3 races.
Jimbuna
04-15-09, 08:21 AM
Yeah, common sense has prevailed.
Just looking forward to how the others will respond now.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090415/twl-f1-ruling-over-jenson-button-s-brawn-3fd0ae9.html
XabbaRus
04-15-09, 09:52 AM
This is for Flavio especialy and Ferrari and Dominecelli or however you spell his name.
Be goood and I will give it back.
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/2995/pacifier.jpg
Oh and dibbydibbydibbydoooo ah ......
Yeah, common sense has prevailed.
I believed it was about the r-u-l-e-s not common sense but now...
Just looking forward to how the others will respond now.
The rest is doing the same with the difference they are losing points, time, money, more points are more time. I'm just wandering how giants like Mclaren, Ferrari and BMW got their asses f... by such a nooba in F1-of course I don't mean Brawn as a person.
Jimbuna
04-15-09, 04:22 PM
I believed it was about the r-u-l-e-s not common sense but now...
The rest is doing the same with the difference they are losing points, time, money, more points are more time. I'm just wandering how giants like Mclaren, Ferrari and BMW got their asses f... by such a nooba in F1-of course I don't mean Brawn as a person.
I'm not sure I remember the last time common sense showed her presence in F1 actually.
Let us see how developments progress in the next couple of races.
Oh, this is not new in F1. Some may remember a chap called Chapman. Its not only the cars that reminds me of the old days, even the arguing over rule bending is vintage.:rotfl:Ah, bring on the next race!
XabbaRus
04-17-09, 08:01 AM
Can someone please shoot Flabio "My mouth is almost as big as my belly" Briatore?
Seriously what is his problem. You don't see Ferrari shooting their mouths off like that. I see Alonso joined in earlier too.
And as such Briatore reckons the FIA have condemned Formula One fans to a season where the title won't be decided by the best drivers. Rather, he says, it will be left to Brawn GP's Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello to fight for the crown.
Yeah, he is a twat.:rotfl:As if champions always have been the best drivers. Build the best car and each and every one on the F1 grid can be champion.
bert8for3
04-18-09, 07:37 AM
The others will catch up. Looks like the gap has already narrowed a bit at least, judging from China Qual. Red Bull up front, Alonso up there, Ferrari still in a mess though.
edit/add: Although the fuel-adjusted grid would be this, according to BBC:
BBC SPORT'S FUEL-ADJUSTED GRID (with projected race first pit stops*)
1 Barrichello (lap 15)
2 Button (lap 15)
3 Trulli (lap 16)
4 Vettel (lap 10)
5 Webber (lap 11)
6 Alonso (lap 8/9)
7 Raikkonen (lap 19)
8 Rosberg (lap 12)
9 Hamilton (lap 20)
10 Buemi (lap 19)
* Calculated on the weight of fuel left in cars after qualifying had finished
XabbaRus
04-18-09, 01:41 PM
It does show that Brawn are still ahead.
Should be an interesting race but I think if Brawn get a good start and clear air they will be off.
antikristuseke
04-18-09, 03:03 PM
Looks to be an interesting race ahead for all of us, here is to hoping there are no mishaps in the first corner.
Ferrari uses rFactor to preview the track:
http://www.ferrari.com/English/Ferrari_TV/Pages/FerrariTVPlayer.aspx?serverId=2846&c=Video&cat=13
Schroeder
04-18-09, 06:06 PM
I hope that the result we will see at the end of the race will still be valid a week later for a change....:-?
XabbaRus
04-19-09, 04:15 AM
Good job Vettel. and Webber too.
JB will be happy with 3rd and good to see that it will be up and down all season.
Schroeder
04-19-09, 07:11 AM
It was a nice race. Great that Vettel won.:yeah:
antikristuseke
04-19-09, 07:32 AM
Great race by Vettel and Webber. Though too bad about Sutil, loosing controll soo late in the race.
Jimbuna
04-19-09, 08:20 AM
Good race....I can't help thinking JB might be a little disappointed though :hmmm:
bert8for3
04-19-09, 08:48 AM
Very entertaining race. Good on RBR. Disappointing for JB, but the car ws just not as quick, he can take consolation in padding his points over the usual rivals.
A big ouch for Ferrari, now their worst start since 1981 if I heard correctly. What prop will Luca diM use at the next team meeting ... pull a cat o' nine tails out of a velvet bag?
Good to see Vettel and Webber on the podium. The RedBull cars have not been reliable in recent years so will be interesting to see if they can keep making a dent in Brawn's domination so far.
Konovalov
04-20-09, 07:38 AM
:rock: What a great day for RBR and not to mention my man Webbo and of course Seb Vettel for another fantastic win in the wet. Hopefully we will see RBR and Brawn do battle over the rest of the season.
I had high hopes for the RBR car when it was unveiled in preseason testing. We now know that this is a terrific package that right now isn't that far off the Braun cars. Bring on the Newey improvements and that rear diffuser. In the wet though this car is by far the best balanced at present as it was suspected Malaysia when Webber was flying before the race was rightly called off.
Felt sorry for Sutil after he drove such a good race until the end. Seb Buemi too also did well. Lewis was fast at times yet kept going off the track. Nelson PK was his normal rubbish self. What a waste of space he is. More questions raised over Flav's judgement in light of his crazy outbursts over the last week. :down:
P.S. My first post here for a long while. It's been too long. Looks like there have been some changes to the forum also.
Schroeder
04-20-09, 08:41 AM
Is it just me or are the new cars way more durable than those of past seasons? I mean the crash of Kubica and Trulli. A year ago that would definitely been the end of the race for both.:o
Max2147
04-20-09, 08:43 AM
The strange thing about the RBR car is that it fails in almost every practice session, but so far I don't think it's failed during a race.
VipertheSniper
04-20-09, 10:53 AM
Well deserved win for Vettel.
But what the heck did Alonso do? I followed the whole race but I couldn't think of an error he made, yet he didn't finish in the points...
XabbaRus
04-20-09, 11:31 AM
He came in too early with the safety car and then he cruised around and spun.
Max2147
04-20-09, 02:24 PM
Well deserved win for Vettel.
But what the heck did Alonso do? I followed the whole race but I couldn't think of an error he made, yet he didn't finish in the points...
The Renault was fueled extremely light. They were planning on running a very short stint (around 9 laps) on the soft tires at the start. The rain screwed that plan up, and the Safety Car start turned it into a disaster.
http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/fiastewardparking.jpg
:cool:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8923/cameracar6cfyb6rg8.jpg
Konovalov
04-21-09, 06:34 AM
Wow. Impressive in car footage. :88)
Konovalov
04-21-09, 06:40 AM
My tip for this weekend in the desert is a Brawn victory with Toyota perhaps best of the rest. Hopefully Webber and Vettel will put in a strong challenge for another podum or at minimum some points.
WTF is going on?! Toyota are best now?
What a crazy year! Who's turn will it be next?:yeah:
mr chris
04-25-09, 02:27 PM
You gotta say the Webber got buggered over in Q1. He was fastest at the last split then Stuill almost pushed him off the road with some doggy manoeuvres and he ends up in getting knocked out and starting at the back of the grid.
Should be a interesting race though. I hope it stays dry as we have yet to really see the teams real pace this season when it has been dry.
The commentary team kept talking about CORS is this? They were saying that it was giving the car a extra 80bhp but they said not all the cars on the grid have it. Could someone explain what it is?
Max2147
04-25-09, 03:16 PM
I think another Vettel victory might be on the cards....
It's almost a quarter of the way into the season, and we still don't have a real form book yet. Brawn, RBR, and Toyota seem like the clear top 3 right now. They're 1-6 in the drivers' standings, and 5 of the top 6 on the Bahrain grid. But it's hard to believe that they'll stay ahead for the entire year. On paper they all have the right ingredients, but they've all underperformed so badly for the past few years that it's a shock to see them doing well now.
Its KERS, Chris. Its a device that stores energy from the brakes in a battery, and the driver has four seconds of +80hp each lap. Its a kind of push to pass thingy. It has disadvantages too, its heavy. (And unreliable for some teams)
Konovalov
04-26-09, 06:37 AM
You gotta say the Webber got buggered over in Q1. He was fastest at the last split then Stuill almost pushed him off the road with some doggy manoeuvres and he ends up in getting knocked out and starting at the back of the grid.
Yep. Really shattered for my man to be screwed like that. But it is much the fault of the Force India team as it is the driver Sutil. And credit to Sutil he went and apologised personally to Mark. An even bigger idiot was Eddie Jordan on the BBC commentary when he initially said that Sutil had every right to block Webber. He though later went back on that stupid remark.
My team Red Bull look quick so it will be interesting to see how Webber comes through the field if he keeps out of trouble into turn 1. Vettel though just gets better and better. He is my tip to win. Just check out the car weights:
Post-qualifying car weights:
1 - Jarno Trulli / Toyota = 648.5kg
2 - Timo Glock / Toyota = 643.0kg *
3 - Sebastian Vettel / Red Bull = 659.0kg
4 - Jenson Button / Brawn = 652.5kg
5 - Lewis Hamilton / McLaren = 652.5kg *
6 - Rubens Barrichello / Brawn = 649.0kg *
7 - Fernando Alonso / Renault = 650.5kg *
8 - Felipe Massa / Ferrari = 664.5kg *
9 - Nico Rosberg / Williams = 670.5kg *
10 - Kimi Räikkönen / Ferrari = 671.5kg
11 - Heikki Kovalainen / McLaren = 678.5kg
12 - Kazuki Nakajima / Williams = 680.9kg
13 - Robert Kubica / BMW = 698.6kg
14 - Nick Heidfeld / BMW = 696.3kg *
15 - Nelson Piquet / Renault = 677.6kg
16 - Sébastien Buemi / Toro Rosso = 678.5kg
17 - Giancarlo Fisichella / Force India = 652.0kg *
18 - Mark Webber / Red Bull = 656.0kg *
19 - Adrian Sutil / Force India = 679.0kg
20 - Sébastien Bourdais / Toro Rosso = 667.5kg *
I am surprised that Brawn have struggled so much this weekend.
Should be a great race hopefully. :up:
OneToughHerring
04-26-09, 08:57 AM
Going a little OT here, I didn't watch the F-1 race today and can't remember the last time I did. However, I do remember watching some really classic races in the late -80's, early -90's when people like Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost were 'bustin' heads' with each other. It wasn't all super-safe back then either, as we all know with what happened to Senna. Now I don't enjoy seeing people getting hurt but these modern Formulas, it's all just...meh.
Carry on. :salute:
I am so hung over I missed most of the race, but good job by Button.:up: My team BMW are being lined up and shot at the moment.
Jimbuna
04-26-09, 09:12 AM
Yeah...well done JB, it looks like a gap is beginning to open up now.
I can't believe Massa hasn't scored any points yet.
Yeah, but he was at 0 until the third race last year.
XabbaRus
04-26-09, 10:42 AM
JB did a great overtaking move on LH at the beginning of lap 2.
There really is more overtaking and closer racing this season. Good to see LH back up there.
Max2147
04-29-09, 10:46 AM
McLaren have been given a suspended 3 race ban for the Liegate affair.
XabbaRus
04-29-09, 10:58 AM
Pretty lenient. They will be watched.
Jimbuna
04-29-09, 11:05 AM
I'm suprised the penalty wasn't more severe :hmmm:
kvbrock82
05-09-09, 06:06 AM
ferrari 1/2 free practice in spain!
we're back!! :yeah::up::yep::rock::salute::woot:
ferrari 1/2 free practice in spain!
we're back!! :yeah::up::yep::rock::salute::woot:
.....or maybe not.:damn::timeout::doh:
mr chris
05-09-09, 02:16 PM
.....or maybe not.:damn::timeout::doh:
Aye they really dropped a bollock in Q1 with Kimi.
interesting ho will win this race :)
Jimbuna
05-09-09, 05:49 PM
I'm thinking....don't write off button alltogether :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-10-09, 09:17 AM
I'm thinking....don't write off button alltogether :hmmm:
:smug:
Konovalov
05-10-09, 11:27 AM
Well done to Jenson again. However I feel for Rubens. Jenson had been struggling all weekend. It worked for him once he changed his setup to the one being used by Barichello. Can't help but thinking that conspiracy theorist may have a field day over the 2/3 pit stop strategy change with Button and why they didn't also change Barichello onto it. :hmmm:
Very happy for my fellow Aussie Mark with another podium after a disastrous qualifying last race. He now moves up to 4th in the champ. :yeah: It really was a great strategy from Webber and his team putting in a very long 2nd stint so as to minimise the running on the harder compound tyre which was a lot slower. That much longer middle stint allowed him to leapfrog Massa and teamate Vettel at the 2nd pitstop. Also Webber made a fantastic re-pass on Alonso into turn one following the safety car restart. That is what you live for to see in F1 and to think that it happened at the most boring of tracks.
Schroeder
05-10-09, 12:52 PM
I really wonder what is wrong with Ferrari. I think they haven't had a single race this saison that can't be called a clusterf**k. :hmm2:
I really wonder what is wrong with Ferrari. I think they haven't had a single race this saison that can't be called a clusterf**k. :hmm2:
That's what the guys on SPEED were saying as well. They couldn't believe a veteran team of Ferrari's caliber would make such errors. Kimi not qualifying beyond the first session and then Massa almost running out of gas and having to give up positions to last the race?:nope:
It is pretty obvious to me that Ferrari is on its way into the chaotic state of the Pre- Todt/Brawn/Schumacher Era.
Skybird
05-20-09, 10:45 AM
It is pretty obvious to me that Ferrari is on its way into the chaotic state of the Pre- Todt/Brawn/Schumacher Era.
Or not.
Today, Ferrari'S appeal at court in order to tackle the budget limitations, has failed to impress the judges. Ferrari lost. They already said they would not participate next season, if the budget limits do not get lifted. The FIA, however, cannot accept to say that there is no Formula One without Ferrari - that would mean that Ferrari could dictate the rules, and this although they already had tremendous influence behind the stage in past years. Rumour is that the FIA already has up to 12 racing teams from other racing leagues that would be interested to enter formula One competion - if the limited budget stays in place. But there are only 13 slots for next season, and the newcomer teams as well as Ferrari must file their participation until end of this month, I think. So, Ferrari cannot afford to play on time, but needs to decide within the next one and a half week. If the rumour is not a rumour, but fact, both Ferrari and all other major teams threatening to leave if the budget limits do not get lifted, could be replaced, and thus cannot really intimidate FIA.
And major teams leaving and being replaced, and budget limits, maybe are a chance for a racing series that has become just a shadow of it's former self from long time ago. The decline already started during the Schumacher era, although Schumi is not the one responsible for it, hell, certainly not. without him, it all would have detoriated even faster until the economic crisis finally hit. Not to mention that Ferrari never would have recovered like they did during his reign.
So, it could eventually end with Ferrari not being in chaos, but not being in Formula One anymore. And I wonder if that really should be cried about. But a Formula One without Ferrari is something one needs to get used to.
What it all means? The legendary times of fame and glory are over.
Schroeder
05-20-09, 11:14 AM
Maybe it is time for the old teams to start their own show and leave Bernie and Max behind.:yep:
Skybird
05-20-09, 11:26 AM
I must admit I am tired of all of them, the old teams as well as Bernie and Max. Hell, I am tired of all Formula One together. Too bad that the German laws on age-limits for practising in a profession do not apply.
Konovalov
05-20-09, 02:59 PM
Come on guys, F1 could be worse. Just check out the standard of safety car drivers they have in this racing category:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYO4yPmf5AI
What was that idiot thinking in the safety car? :o
I still cannot think of why he just came out of the pits and onto the racing line so directly. He gave the BMW absolutely no where to go. The guy driving that safety car should never ever again be involved in motorsport period. :nope::nope: Also a possible nomination for the Darwin award. :yeah:
Of course FIA is intimidated, its not Force India that threatens to leave F1, but Ferrari, Renault, Toyota and Red Bull. In addition BMW is on the fence. That leaves Williams and McLaren of old. Oh, and Alonso says he does not want to race lots of small newcomers in a series that in effect would be a watered down version of F1, he would move on to other forms of racing. He is rumoured to race the 24H of Le Mans soonish.
The last time there was whispers of a breakaway series Max & Bernie almost crapped their pants, I dont see why there would be less soiling this time.
Skybird
05-21-09, 04:34 PM
Honestly said, I hope that Ferrari goes. They had been given so many special rights and veto rights, that it somewhat ridiculed the whole idea of sporting competition. the court admitted that some treaty from 2005 again guaranteed them these special veto rights that nobody else has. their mistake was that they used their veto after the deadline ended. Which makes them look twice as dumb, of course.
That is not sports. That is politics. Add to that the scandals of this season, and Hamilton's lies. Really, Formula One should do like some movie series tried to do in the past two years: reset to start, then cold-boot again.
German press says that the chances for Ferrari leaving, are good. Ferrari has leaned out of the window very far this time. And the frontlines between Mosley and Ferrari are said to be carved in steel-concrete. Let some newcomer teams dominate the lineup for next season. If there are only newcomers, that maybe serves as an equaliser of chances. And the result could be unpredictable, exciting competitions again.
I`m watching the live timing of practice 3, and wow, that McLaren seems to like Monaco.
Scratch that, Hamilton overcooked sector two in qual now, and crashed.:rotfl:
XabbaRus
05-23-09, 12:45 PM
How is JB doing it. Last lap of qualifying and he pulls one out the bag. He did he same in Spain. I hope he gets a good start as i think he can pull away from the Ferrari of KR. Glad to see KR back at the sharp end.
mr chris
05-23-09, 01:34 PM
Will be hard for JB to stay ahead for Kimi into the first corner.
You would expect Kimi to pass Jenson at the start as he is in a KERS car.
But stranger things have happened so far this season.
XabbaRus
05-23-09, 01:55 PM
KERS doesn't work till 100 kmh so as long as Jenson gets the jump in the first 2 seconds he should be able to stop Kimi from deploying it. I don't see why they are running KERS at Monaco as the consensus is that it is more likely to cuase problems then make opportunities.
Jimbuna
05-23-09, 03:55 PM
JB is now a clear threat to anyone seriously thinking about the title.....early days I agree, but the threat is now clear and present.
GO YOU BRITS :rock:
KERS doesn't work till 100 kmh so as long as Jenson gets the jump in the first 2 seconds he should be able to stop Kimi from deploying it. I don't see why they are running KERS at Monaco as the consensus is that it is more likely to cuase problems then make opportunities.
Yep, I dont think that run is long enough to properly use the advantage of KERS, its going to be the good ol reaction settling things. The only KERS spot on the track is the tunnel.
Webber starting from 8th is not likely to threaten the podium unless there are a few outs ahead of him. Should be a good race though I can't see JB being headed unless he has a brain fart.
XabbaRus
05-24-09, 12:56 PM
Good ol'JB.
Jimbuna
05-24-09, 01:24 PM
Some going 5 out of 6 :rock:
mr chris
05-24-09, 01:32 PM
Well done to Brawn and Jenson.
They done well making the most of the Super soft tyres at the start.
Just look what happened to Vettel. His lap times fell away as he pushed his tyres to hard. Then was pushing to hard to make for lost time when he stacked it into the tyre wall.
Ferrari looked to be getting back to in to the flow of things and Kimi picked up a good 3rd. Though im sure he will be pissed at his very poor start.
Things are looking very interesting going to Turkey.
Webber gets fifth moving up to 4th on the ladder. Definately his best season so far. shame about Vettel's crash though.
XabbaRus
05-24-09, 05:36 PM
Yea good to see Webber doing well. Always liked him.
Glad Jenson is getting his chance. If you go over to the bbc news online 606 sports forums you get all the idiots trying to do him down by say it is all the car and Jenson doesn't deserve it blah blah blah.
I've always rated him as a driver just now he has his break and he is making teh most of it. Sure 80% of the deal is the car. Look at MS he had the best car for a most of his championship wins as did Hakkinen, as did Alonso. The trick is to use your ability to make the most of it and win. Jenson is doing that.
What some people seem to forget is if the car is a dog no matter how good you drive it you won't get far. Look at how LH is doing with the McLaren. Granted he is wringing it by the neck but he finishes outside the points. However I don't think Mclarens car this year is as much of a dog as teh Honda. However the previous two seasons if we got a wet race which evens things out, Jenson drove very well.
bert8for3
05-25-09, 05:25 AM
Must be the only time anyone's completed a victory lap on foot :DL
Skybird
05-25-09, 06:47 PM
:O:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7914/f1alonsodwbayern817809g.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f1alonsodwbayern817809g.jpg)
:D
Skybird
05-29-09, 10:32 AM
All teams have signed in to compete in the next F1 season. Ferrari does not withdraw (which surprises me to 50% yes, 50% not), MacLaren and the others also stay, which surprises me even more regarding McLaren-Mercedes, since at Mercedes the F1 engagement is said tot be extremely unpopular, and does not surprise me with the other teams.
Yup, but Max` threat of a 40 million euro cap has been increased to 80 million next year, and then 40 million in 2011.
Interesting quals for the Turkish GP! Vettel and Webber split by the Brawns of Button and Barrichello. An absolute gnats whatsit between the top 10 pace setters.
Should be an interesting race if Vettel and Webber can hold it together.
Quite looking forward to watching this one tonight.:woot:
EDIT: Vettel has a brain fart on lap one and its all over. Webber did well to take another podium in 2nd. Shame it wasn't closer but the big news was Barrichello's poor start and retirement.
Jimbuna
06-07-09, 10:43 AM
The even bigger news has got to be Button accomplishing his 6th win :yeah:
CastleBravo
06-07-09, 10:51 AM
Being in the US I don't get to see much F1, but I gotta admit I like the fact that it is more than always turning to the left. I especially like the starts. Does anyone know where I'd likely see the F1 racers more often?
SPEED Channel for us Yanks.:up:
This FIA vs. FOTA starts to remind me a lot of the CART/Champcar split in 1995 :hmmm:
Champcar was run by the teams and had some golden years, but then the huge costs without limits and the build-up of expensive technology ended up killing the series in 2002. IRL instead, under a single strong hand blossomed and has finally even absorbed the rests of champcar.
Not that I think Mosley and Ecclestone are a good "firm hand", but from what I have seen so far, seems that a series run by the teams ends in disaster.
This FIA vs. FOTA starts to remind me a lot of the CART/Champcar split in 1995 :hmmm:
Champcar was run by the teams and had some golden years, but then the huge costs without limits and the build-up of expensive technology ended up killing the series in 2002. IRL instead, under a single strong hand blossomed and has finally even absorbed the rests of champcar.
Not that I think Mosley and Ecclestone are a good "firm hand", but from what I have seen so far, seems that a series run by the teams ends in disaster.
The 'split' killed open wheel racing in the US for me. I used to love CART and watched all their races. Now I watch the 500 and that's it. I wouldn't say the IRL blossomed so much as just out lasted Champcar. The IRL's ratings and race attendance are still pretty dismal.
FOTA is a good idea to balance the FIA, not to form their own series.
Max2147
06-16-09, 07:00 PM
I think a split might have just become inevitable today.
Mosley went on a massive and bitter rant against FOTA, which might put a stop to reconciliation efforts: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76254
It's full of twisted facts and misrepresentations, which is bound to get FOTA angry.
The unfortunate thing is that I think a budget cap is inherently a good idea. But the way Mosley is trying to implement it is totally wrong.
I lived through the CART/IRL Split and saw how it destroyed American open-wheel racing. I thought there was no way I would ever support another similar split, but right now I think a FOTA breakaway series might be the least bad realistic option. Mosley simply isn't going to back down, and if he gets his way it will be a disaster for F1.
Skybird
06-19-09, 04:10 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm
Jimbuna
06-19-09, 07:03 AM
This appears to be one hell of a game of poker.
It's highly unlikely two rival series would receive sufficient financial resources.
It will be interesting to see the eventual outcome this weekend.
Jimbuna
06-19-09, 08:49 AM
Poor Jenson.
Why?
Potentially going into history as the last F1 World Champion?
Has a better ring to it than 'also ran' :hmmm:
goldorak
06-19-09, 01:44 PM
This FIA vs. FOTA starts to remind me a lot of the CART/Champcar split in 1995 :hmmm:
Champcar was run by the teams and had some golden years, but then the huge costs without limits and the build-up of expensive technology ended up killing the series in 2002. IRL instead, under a single strong hand blossomed and has finally even absorbed the rests of champcar.
Not that I think Mosley and Ecclestone are a good "firm hand", but from what I have seen so far, seems that a series run by the teams ends in disaster.
You can't really compare CART/Champcar to F1. Its not just some teams that want to leave, its the historic manufacturers team that want to make a new championship. F1 has always been about technical excellence. You take that way in the moden F1 by capping budgets, cahnge one day yes one day no the rules etc... and you have the recepie for an F3000 championship. Its not the same thing. And remember that people watch F1 because of Ferrari, McLaren, Renault etc.. These teams leave and people won't care one iota about the inferior teams that will still race in F1.
Don't apply american logic to what is still a highly dominated european sport.
Good to see Vettel and Webber on the front row. At least there is a bit of competition this year. I hope they can avoid a brain fade that lets the Brawn's through this time round though.
darius359au
06-21-09, 12:49 AM
Interesting , reading the last paragraph or so of this http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/5668711 ,it looks like Eccelston is prepared to hang Mosely out to dry...Eccelston's got a lot of money sunk into F1 so it's pretty easy to see why he wouldn't want the major teams to leave.
darius359au
06-21-09, 12:51 AM
Good to see Vettel and Webber on the front row. At least there is a bit of competition this year. I hope they can avoid a brain fade that lets the Brawn's through this time round though.
I,m torn , on the one hand I'd love to see Webber get a win...But on the other I'd love to see button win the last race at Silverston:cry:
Yeah I know what you mean. I'd still like to see Mark stand on the top step though!
XabbaRus
06-21-09, 03:35 AM
It will be warmer today which will help Jenson and hinder the RBs and Rubens. They think his smooth driving style is why he can't get heat into his tyres as well as RB and SV which is also why on the hot circuits he doesn't see his faster option tyre go off so quickly as the others. The rest of teh circuits this year are in hotter countires and the Red Bull is hard on its tyres.
It is good to see competition and it would be nice for Webber to get the win. Apparently after the Turkish GP Vettel was a bit miffed at having to let Webber finish second.
I think Rubens will have a dodgy start and drop back. Button I think will be in the top 3 at the end of the first couple of laps as long as he can get past Trulli at the start.
Jimbuna
06-21-09, 02:14 PM
JB finishes 6th and remains 23 points in the lead....I should imagine he'll be happy with that.
XabbaRus
06-21-09, 04:09 PM
It seems the Brawn needs a hot track which then wrecks RBRs tyres and allows Brawn to win.
I think in terms of outright performance then Brawn and Red Bull Cars are neck and neck.
HunterICX
06-22-09, 03:41 AM
Pfah...boring race...nice victory for Vettel...
but the race itself was a merry-go-around with almost no overtaking.
HunterICX
Why?
Potentially going into history as the last F1 World Champion?
Has a better ring to it than 'also ran' :hmmm:
Because this season probably will be remembered for something else than his smooth driving style and sweet car.:cry:
Jimbuna
06-22-09, 06:21 AM
Because this season probably will be remembered for something else than his smooth driving style and sweet car.:cry:
Fair point....but a world championship crown should still bring with it huge riches, the likes he has never had before.
bert8for3
06-22-09, 08:40 AM
Seems to be a decent bet that that won't have been the last race at Silverstone after all. Huge crowd, everyone and his dog saying Silverstone is a great venue.
Nobody's bashing Donington, just saying the race should stay at Silverstone :yeah:
Schroeder
06-22-09, 08:50 AM
Seems to be a decent bet that that won't have been the last race at Silverstone after all. Huge crowd, everyone and his dog saying Silverstone is a great venue.
Nobody's bashing Donington, just saying the race should stay at Silverstone :yeah:
Isn't that exactly what they all said about Adelaide too?
And we know who didn't give a damn about that, right?:hmmm:
bert8for3
06-22-09, 09:30 AM
True. But it may be that the dynamic is different now. Even if the FOTA bunch still prefer to cut a deal to stay in F1, their willingness to leave if it comes to that is looking real. If they leave, circuits such as Silverstone should imho be back in (under the new flag of course). If they stay, and imho they have some good or at least relatively better negotiating leverage now, they will be able to influence on a variety of issues, including venue selection. Just my guess FWIW.
Maybe its better for Silverstone to lose F1.:rotfl:Williams, Force India + GP2 might not be that juicy.
FOTA could start racing in Montreal again too. To hell with all those desert tracks. (Except Bahrain)
bert8for3
06-23-09, 07:52 AM
@stabiz ... Yup, I think so too; close to win/win.
Meanwhile ... What a bunch! The original dysfunctional family.
So Mosley says on Sunday that he’s dropping the legal steps and it’s just a matter of talking and they’ll all sort it out. Of course, he does this hand-in-hand with a comment that the FOTA bunch are “lunatics”, which he said later was a joke.
That triggers good ol’ Flavio B, who’s never able to take anything lying down, to say “If he wants to go personal, I have a lot to say about Max. He needs to stop insulting people. I don't want to personally describe what Max is because in his private life we have already had a demonstration of what he was in the News of the World.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8111162.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8111162.stm)
http://www.f1technical.net/news/12748 (http://www.f1technical.net/news/12748)
And on we go.
Jimbuna
06-23-09, 08:46 AM
http://www.f1mundial.es/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mosley_ecclestone.jpg
Look!! Just shut up and get over there or I'll give you a good spanking!!
Max2147
06-23-09, 10:27 AM
http://www.f1mundial.es/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mosley_ecclestone.jpg
Look!! Just shut up and get over there or I'll give you a good spanking!!
Top 2 ways to ensure that Max Mosley does NOT do something:
1. Order him to do it. He's so stubborn that he'll refuse out of spite.
2. Threaten to spank him. He likes that.
bert8for3
06-23-09, 12:26 PM
Yah, and then there's Bernie ... :har:
Somebody could make a pretty good comedy film out of all this. Casting ... :hmmm: ... Bill Murray as Bernie E; Chevy Chase as Max; Rowan Atkinson as Flavio B; Dan Akroyd as Luca diM; Jim Belushi as Ron Dennis (even tho he's retired, he has to be in the movie) ... too many other possibilities.
And this just in ... Max to stand for re-election http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46240 ... :haha::wah::haha:
Jeeeeez ...:huh:
How old is he now? 163?
Jimbuna
06-23-09, 02:16 PM
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/images/ansa/81/316dc8482859c4830060414a9be2e681_immagine_det.jpg
I don't give a damn if your trousers are hanging around your ankles!!....a situation has 'cropped' up and I need you round here right now!!
BREAKING NEWS:
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5398764,00.html
Max2147
06-24-09, 09:41 AM
This ain't over yet....
Last time Mosley said he'd quit, he changed his mind within a couple weeks. My guess is that he's playing the waiting game, and will announce that he's running again at the last second, at which point it will (he hopes) be too late for the FOTA teams to get a breakaway up and running.
Jimbuna
06-24-09, 09:59 AM
With regard to his own position, Mosley added: "I will not be up for re-election, now we have peace."
I should imagine there will be an agreement that should he renege on his word....all bets are off.
bert8for3
06-25-09, 07:17 AM
... until the next blow-up :D
All is quiet on the Western Front ...
Max2147
06-25-09, 04:09 PM
All is quiet on the Western Front ...
Not anymore: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529
Mosley already starting to backtrack.
This is starting ... er ... this is now even more moronic.
Jimbuna
06-26-09, 07:06 AM
Some people obviously don't want to get off the merry-go-round :DL
bert8for3
06-26-09, 07:45 AM
What a pair :damn: . I thought LdiM had the moral high ground until sparking this latest go-round. Not that Max gets any bonus points in my book for his (completely in-character) reaction, as well as his remark about his eventual "funny and explosive" memoirs. And btw what sparked what? It's become hard to tell.
My suggestion; give each one of them one of these, with instructions to keep it in until Max' term comes to an end and he's out of there for good:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p109/bert8for3/pacifier.jpg
Anybody else notice since the stink started, nobody is talking about what's happening on the track anymore?:hmmm:
bert8for3
07-07-09, 08:58 AM
Now Fuji's pulled out for "economic reasons". Nobody wants to meet with Bernie for pretty obvious reasons.
Aaargghh ... at least we get back to some racing in a couple of days.
Jimbuna
07-07-09, 10:22 AM
Now Fuji's pulled out for "economic reasons". Nobody wants to meet with Bernie for pretty obvious reasons.
Why? :hmmm:
In case he has a cake? :DL
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/12/gprix1997_gallery__510x400.jpg
bert8for3
07-08-09, 01:54 PM
And here we go (again?) ... "Trouble beginning to spool up again" http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21616.html . And here ... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46302 . Just when you thought it was (maybe) over. :damn:
Jimbuna
07-08-09, 05:47 PM
It's beginning to look like they deserve each other :nope:
I am starting to care less.:nope:
Lionclaw
07-11-09, 06:29 AM
I've been watching Formula 1 regurlary since 2005 but with this crap that's going on right now, I'm losing interest in it. :down:
Back to the racing this year and Webber claims his first pole in his career in Germany. I hope he can keep his concentration and get his first win too.:woot:
Jimbuna
07-11-09, 05:13 PM
Back to the racing this year and Webber claims his first pole in his career in Germany. I hope he can keep his concentration and get his first win too.:woot:
He'd better watch out for no 3 just over his shoulder :DL
darius359au
07-12-09, 06:09 AM
this is an interesting read http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/07/f1_row_rumbles_on.html
antikristuseke
07-12-09, 08:43 AM
Great race by Webber, a penalty and still through is first place, a well deserved win.
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