Well Mr. President...

[GoldenRivet]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:

[Digital_Trucker]

He's what he has been all along, a politician who will tell you what you want to hear to get elected, then finds out that it's not as simple as he thinks it is and has to perform damage control to get the expectations back down.

[mookiemookie]

And if he was telling you everything was ice cream and roses, you'd be bitching that he was out of touch with reality. :yawn:

[GoldenRivet]

yep... same as the rest of them.

the point im trying to make is - if he planned on leading by "hope" and "change" why the hell is he going on and on and on about how bad things are and how they are going to only get worse.

the DJI plunges 100 more points every time he appears on TV and starts throwing fear grenades at everyone

come on ... turn water to cash, or perform some divine obama-ish miracle like you promised. Send us a message of "Hope"

i think his campaign was misunderstood...

...maybe he "Hoped" that by the end of his 4 years everyone wouldnt be left with pocket "change".

EDIT:

apologies to neal... i guess "ape" could have racial connotations... even though Bush was called "chimp" by so many for so long. oh well. I have edited it

[GoldenRivet]

And if he was telling you everything was ice cream and roses, you'd be bitching that he was out of touch with reality. :yawn:
im not saying tell everyone its ice cream and roses.

get "old school" with the speaches... i mean he said "crisis" like 50 times in his last public address.

:timeout:

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc

[August]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc

FDR was a master at this. President Obama would do well to emulate that style.

[GoldenRivet]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc
FDR was a master at this. President Obama would do well to emulate that style.

exactly.

Im not here to bash the guy, but im not here to praise him either.

But from the beginning of his young term we have heard nothing but gloom and doom from the white house.

[SUBMAN1]

Mr. Obama needs to read these words from the man that supposedly inspires him:

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character & courage by taking away people's initiative & independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could & should do for themselves -Abraham Lincoln

[Platapus]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc

If President Obama were to say that you can bet that someone else would bitch about the wording.

No matter what President Obama (or any other President) says someone will not like it. Reason 345,788 why being President of the United States is a crappy job.

I am less concerned with what President Obama says about the economy but more interested in what Congress *does*.

I am not sure this current plan will work. In my opinion, it is not the best plan, but it might, just might be "good enough". But it is THE plan and we must all work (as much as any of us small fish can) together to help implement the plan.

The plan will take time to see if it works. Besides Economics is much more an art than a science it seems. I will be doing what ever tiny things I can do to support this plan.... I will also be waiting and observing... and keeping my eye on 3 November 09.

[Platapus]

Im not here to bash the guy, but im not here to praise him either.

So referring to him as "Yobama" and posting that he is an empty box is not "bashing him"?

[GoldenRivet]

Im not here to bash the guy, but im not here to praise him either.
So referring to him as "Yobama" and posting that he is an empty box is not "bashing him"?

compared to what i want to say :haha:

trust me i could bash the guy if i wanted to.

being honest is not bashing.

[Digital_Trucker]

And if he was telling you everything was ice cream and roses, you'd be bitching that he was out of touch with reality. :yawn:

Actually, I thought he was out of touch with reality when he made all the promises.

[Sailor Steve]

Mr. Obama needs to read these words from the man that supposedly inspires him:

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character & courage by taking away people's initiative & independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could & should do for themselves -Abraham Lincoln
Great words. I like them. Unfortunately they don't seem to have been said by Lincoln, nor by anyone of his era.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lincoln-quotes.htm

It's also possible that Lincoln never said one of the most famous quotes attributed to him: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/lincoln/lincoln&floc=wn-nx

That one really surprised me.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc

The classic head-in-sand approach. Works a treat.

[CaptainHaplo]

Actually I do see hope and change coming.... And I am not a fan of the President.

Here is why:

His popularity is already plummeting.
His economic policy is already failing to stabilize the markets.
His foreign policy is going nowhere fast.

The public is already becoming disenchanted with the sales schtick he has thrown out - seeing that he cannot deliver.

The public is seeing that he is not the savior - but a politician who will lie to them with a straight face, promise the world and turn his back on those promises.

Many state governments are already looking to find ways of reducing the Federal governments powers.

The public and states are starting to show there IS HOPE yet for our great nation.

As for change - I am seeing that already - with the markets crumbling, investments ceasing, banks failing and debt skyrocketing (Almost $1 TRILLION spent in less than a month in office) - thats actually all about anyone will be seeing - change.... as in coinage.

[August]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc
The classic head-in-sand approach. Works a treat.

That's not what he said. Some head coach you are if you don't understand the concept of making a team believe in itself.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

why not say something like as bad as things are, america is still great, we are going to see this through, its always darkest before the dawn, this cloud has a silver lining etc etc
The classic head-in-sand approach. Works a treat.
That's not what he said. Some head coach you are if you don't understand the concept of making a team believe in itself.

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

said the Vulcan:DL :03:

[SUBMAN1]

Great words. I like them. Unfortunately they don't seem to have been said by Lincoln, nor by anyone of his era.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lincoln-quotes.htm

It's also possible that Lincoln never said one of the most famous quotes attributed to him: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/lincoln/lincoln&floc=wn-nx

That one really surprised me.

I stand corrected.

Still doesn't change the truth in those words though! :DL

-S

[August]

Making a team believe in itself, and seperating them from reality are two different things, pal.

But nothing in what GoldenRivet said separates people from reality.

Put it this way, if you're right and he's not, then we are already lost. "America is no longer great, we won't see this through, we will not persevere"; is that what you believe?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

No, but those words appear to me to be elements of the "AMERICA **** YEAH" syndrome. In my personal opinion, I'd much rather have a president who tells me just how bad things are without sugarcoating it. But as I said, just my opinion, I dont intend personal offense :)

[IanC]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:

Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

[SUBMAN1]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:
Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

-S

[IanC]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:
Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

-S

Whuh? Obama is the most popular president since JFK, what are you talking about.
You know what, I can see you guys will drag me into these bizarro arguments, so I'm outta here. You guys keep on hating though...

[CaptainHaplo]

Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong.....

Uhm... dude - so promising things to the American people and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE isnt wrong? Going on tv and telling a bold face lie to the American people isn't wrong?

For example - no lobbyists in his administration.... boy he lied about that one didnt he.

How about "there are no pet projects or pork in the stimulus bill"? Flat out lie.

In another thread I have put forward 5 things that Obama has done wrong - ie - broken promises he made to the voting public.

For the record - the letter beside my name - is an (I), and I can point out errors in the past administration as well. But I call it like it is - and the guy has started out on the wrong foot.

[SUBMAN1]

Whuh? Obama is the most popular president since JFK, what are you talking about.
You know what, I can see you guys will drag me into these bizarro arguments, so I'm outta here. You guys keep on hating though...
Most popular since JFK? Says who? CNN? I probably just answered the question right there. Most popular within CNN, but shows me that with the general populace! He barely beat McCain by only a few percentage points!

I get it - most popular outside of the US of A! :D Canooks from Canada probably like him.

-S

PS. Here is another fallacy in your statement - JFK had no where near the approval rating of Reagan in the 1980's. Reagan had the highest approval rating ever on ever 80%. No other president could touch him. So where are you getting these weird statements?

[Enigma]

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

You forget - Bush had approval ratings in the 90's after 9/11, being supported by both Republicans and Democrats. How they ended up in the 20's is another conversation. After all of President Obama's recent executive orders, he remains a popular President.

Also, he was elected President, so how he could be "lucky with 4 years" is a bit confusing.

[August]

No, but those words appear to me to be elements of the "AMERICA **** YEAH" syndrome. In my personal opinion, I'd much rather have a president who tells me just how bad things are without sugarcoating it. But as I said, just my opinion, I dont intend personal offense :)

That was the genius of FDR, he could do that. And what you call a "syndrome" I call a winning attitude, one that served my country pretty well for the past 200 odd years.

In any case it's the concept behind the slogans that counts, not the ones someone used on an internet forum to describe them. The job of the President is to provide direction to the country not sit by impotently bemoaning fate.

[Enigma]

but shows me that with the general populace!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

63% approve. :know:

[SUBMAN1]

You forget - Bush had approval ratings in the 90's after 9/11, being supported by both Republicans and Democrats. How they ended up in the 20's is another conversation. After all of President Obama's recent executive orders, he remains a popular President.

Also, he was elected President, so how he could be "lucky with 4 years" is a bit confusing.

You forget. 9/11 happened in Sept. Look at Bush numbers before then.

Your second sentence paragraph doesn't make any sense. What is wrong with it?

-S

[SUBMAN1]

but shows me that with the general populace!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

63% approve. :know:

63% is no where near 80 to almost 90 as in Reagan. Bush had these same numbers for a long time. Shows nothing.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

Don't let it get to you, boss. Emotional political discussions are commonplace here, but they can still be enjoyable. Just do a search on threads with "Bush" in the title and you'll see. No reason to be anything less than civil.

If you'll permit, I'll even answer your stated position right now;
There is a valid cause for concern about President Obama's administration, even though he has not been in office for long. While you claim that "he has done nothing wrong", his stimulus bill says otherwise. He may not have authored it, but he did encourage congress to pass it and he did sign it into law.
One does not simply drop an additional trillion dolllars into circulation without experiencing serious ramifications. And though you would be correct in pointing out that this money will not all be introduced to the money supply at once, it will still be introduced in a very short period of time. Some of this money is being borrowed and some of it will be printed, but all of it will decrease the value of the dollar.

Now, assuming that you care to know, I'll be more than happy to provide fairly current figures on the U.S. money supply, GDP, GDP growth rate, and money supply growth rate, and explain why this bill is going to cause a lot of inflation, especially when the interest on the federal debt is excacerbated by it.

The point is that the excessive Federal spending that President Obama has already set a precedent for is a prime cause of stagflation. That is, the growth of the money supply outpaces that of the GDP. An increasing ratio of money to production. This can produce an economic state that will never improve unless a new market is found (more production) or the currency supply contracts (deflation).
In a normal economy, left unchecked, stagflation will fix itself, eventually. More people enter the workforce, labor and wages eventuallly stabilize, new markets are found, the currency supply contracts because people save more and invest, borrow, and loan less.
However, in a system like the one that Obama is trumpeting, to the tune of hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars per year, the GDP will never outgrow the currency supply. The government borrows or prints money at such a fantastic rate that the economy cannot keep pace, and the system eventually collapses under the weight of a mountain of worthless currency.

There are those who say that the stimulus will be able to create jobs and invigorate the annual growth of the GDP enough to offset and even negate its' cost, but such a thing has never happened in U.S. history. The Great Society was the last program on this scale and that is universally acknowledged as a complete failure. The New Deal came before that, and it was also a catastrophic failure. One that, incidentally, you are still paying for in spades today. Social Security entitlements make up a tremendous amount of the Federal budget. Somewhere in the neighborhood of one third last time I looked, and growing every year.
And for the better part of a century prior to that there were "progressive" programs here and there, and the creation of a central bank and etc etc ad nauseam....
Oh and don't forget the price controls and federal measures imposed in the 70's gas crunch. Those were similarly brilliant.

Now, we are to look at this "stimulus bill" as some kind of salvation, despite the huge expenditures on programs and grants that have no relevance to the economy contained therein, as well as the utter failure of all similar measures? You'll have to forgive me for being skeptical.

No state authority can ever effectively regulate or otherwise affect an economy of any type, other than to make it less efficient. Th economy is simply too complex. Millions upon millions of individuals making untold numbers of transactions every day according to their own criterion and the laws of supply and demand. The type of centralization of economic control that we are facing here is akin to checking all of your calculator's computations manually. Yeah, you can do it and you can still get stuff done, but it is horribly inefficient and ends up being wrong a fair amount of the time.
History has proven this time and time again. Even "successful" centralist states are beset by the same problems the U.S. has now and is steadily making worse. Many are "new"(in various senses of the word) states and have not died as much, but they are dying the same death.

So yes, to summarize, there is reason to worry about what President Obama's administration and the Democratic Congress are doing, already.
To be fair, I don't think he's a bad person or that he intends to cause the damage he is causing. I think he really means to help. He really does want a change for the better. But, like so many others who thought they knew enough to lead others and provide for their welfare, I think he'll end up doing more harm than good.

No matter what your views on the state may be or what party controls it, it is, in effect, a monopoly. Would you let your choice of grocery stores or doctors or toy stores or whatever be governed by a two-company system that only lets you choose every two or four years? Of course not. Because it'd be stupid.
Our government uses that system, and admittedly, it has to do so, because the administration of the state cannot be changed at a whim without impairing its' ability to enforce Constitutional law. But why give more power to that monopoly than is absolutely necessary? Why give it more money, more authority? This bill gives more money and authority to the state. Could you not use your freedom and income more wisely yourself?

GoldenRivet probably has a similar set of ideas, though we may disagree on several points.
So anyhow, that's my 2 cents. And don't think that because I disagree with you to whatever extent that your opinion is not welcome or will not be considered. But please don't imply that my friend GR, or anyone, is a "hate-spewing Republican"
Jokes and jabs are fine, of course.

Hope to see more of you on the boards:salute:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Aw look what you did, guys! You pissed off IanC before he could read my very thorough and diplomatic post.

And I spent all that time writing it too......:wah:


Oh well, maybe some literate liberal will stumble across it:O: :03:

[Enigma]

63% is no where near 80 to almost 90 as in Reagan. Bush had these same numbers for a long time. Shows nothing.

Well, it shows that President Obama is popular among the ...populace. Which you asked for.

popular within CNN, but shows me that with the general populace!

So actually, it shows...well, everything.

And, in future I'll try to find a "paragraph sentence" (?!?) that makes sense. :hmmm:

[SUBMAN1]

63% is no where near 80 to almost 90 as in Reagan. Bush had these same numbers for a long time. Shows nothing.
Well, it shows that President Obama is popular among the ...populace. Which you asked for.

popular within CNN, but shows me that with the general populace!
So actually, it shows...well, everything.

And, in future I'll try to find a "paragraph sentence" (?!?) that makes sense. :hmmm:

A. Barely a majority. Only with poll takers which are typically liberals as statistics show, so it means even less overall.

B. You again make no sense while trying to say I make none. Try to form a thought properly and maybe I will try and make more sense for you.

-S

[Aramike]

No, but those words appear to me to be elements of the "AMERICA **** YEAH" syndrome. In my personal opinion, I'd much rather have a president who tells me just how bad things are without sugarcoating it. But as I said, just my opinion, I dont intend personal offense :)We don't need the President to tell us how bad things are. There are plenty of other government agencies and news sources whose job it is to do so.

We need a president responsible enough to understand that his words mean something, and can therefore use them to help instill confidence in our financial system rather than acting further to scuttle it.

[Aramike]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:
Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.

The people forget - How long was it before they started criticizing Bush? Probably a week. Obama is not starting off so hot and usually the first couple month dictate an entire presidency, so at this rate, he will be lucky with 4 years.

-S

Whuh? Obama is the most popular president since JFK, what are you talking about.
You know what, I can see you guys will drag me into these bizarro arguments, so I'm outta here. You guys keep on hating though...That's a grossly inaccurate and uninformed statement, considering that the other presidents are all judged on their approval ratings for their complete presidencies, and Obama is only a month in.

If we're going by simply a snapshot of an approval rating, Obama hasn't even come close to Bush's highest mark.

Probably a good thing you don't plan on hanging around here. We don't need more misinformation. :stare:

[GoldenRivet]

Where is all that "hope' you promised?

Is it just me or is Yobama preaching a helluva lot of gloom, doom and fear lately?

the man is an empty box

:nope:
Umm... are you serious? How long has Obama been in office? Do you realise how long it will take to get out of the mess the US is in?
This is my first time in the General Forum room, and I've already seen a few 'hate on Obama' threads from you. Considering the time in office Obama has been in, and the fact that he has done nothing wrong, you just come off as a hate spewing republican. You can bet Obama will be in office for 8 years, will you be ranting for 8 years GoldenRivet? I almost feel sorry for you buddy.
Dude. slow down speedy.

Im not ranting by any means. if i were "ranting" my post would be at least as long as our friend the Lance Corporal's post. :rotfl:

I dont care if the man is in 4 years or 8 years. I dont hate the man... i do think he is a "fresh face" for America.

The whole point of my post was - just as the great war hero Bill Clinton said this week - Obama needs to stop lobbing out fear grenades and start up with that "Hope" stuff any minute now.

Dont feel sorry for me friend... i dont need one ounce of sympathy from you.

al i want

is for our president to get out there and give at least ONE "win one for the gipper" speach... ONE such speach is all i ask for and then i dont give a damn if he spreads fear and anxiety for the next 4 or 8 years... i will be fine... but the brother ran on HOPE and he is doing nothing but leading by FEAR.

I dont care - really - if he keeps ONE single promise.

Nor do i really care if a Dem or a Rep or a conservative or liberal is holding the reigns to America.... all i want is the leadership based on fear in this country to stop.

We listened to 8 years of Bush and his cronies go on and on about terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.

I'll be damned if im going to live through most of my 30s now listening to Obama go on and on about the Economic Crisis and how it will be the end of all of us unless we send him every dime we have.

i have had enough man.

from day one in his campaign he ran on HOPE this and HOPE that... but since the day he took office all he has done is painted a picture of darkness and dispair.

fine... big economic crisis. i understand it is bad, we all know this is a sh*t sandwich we are all going to have to take a bite of to some degree or another.

but does he not have the leadership capability to take the podium and tell his countrymen that it is going to be ok????

HELLO??? CHURCHILL???

i think any Brit will agree... 1939-1941 were some pretty damned bad times but did Churchill get up and go on and on about how "jerry is going to kill us all run for the hills"?

hell no!

he was a LEADER OF MEN

he said "we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the Old."

Churchillknew his Island was up against some serious sh*t... but he wasnt taking to the lifeboats just yet. FIGHT!!! WIN!!! that was his message of HOPE.

and Obama cant even give ONE SINGLE message of hope????

:nope:

EMPTY BOX

you dont know my party affiliation, and in this discussion it is irrelevant.. i am loyal to my nation and her cause - THAT is what matters IanC... not anything else.

nothing requires me as a citizen of this nation to support or back our leadership, i chose to do so because i consider it a duty of mine as an American... but i have a hard time following someone who leads by fear and intimidation.

Today is Obama's time to shine... today is Americas time to UNITE and grow from this mess.

it wont happen over night... but it damned sure wont happen if our president is moping around spreading fear.

[Enigma]

A. Barely a majority. Only with poll takers which are typically liberals as statistics show, so it means even less overall.

B. You again make no sense while trying to say I make none. Try to form a thought properly and maybe I will try and make more sense for you.


Pollsters = liberals. Amazing.

So, you tell me I make no sense, and in the same breath you tell me exactly what I was trying to say. Even more amazing. :har:

[Platapus]

You forget - Bush had approval ratings in the 90's after 9/11, being supported by both Republicans and Democrats. How they ended up in the 20's is another conversation. After all of President Obama's recent executive orders, he remains a popular President.

Also, he was elected President, so how he could be "lucky with 4 years" is a bit confusing.

You forget. 9/11 happened in Sept. Look at Bush numbers before then.

Your second sentence paragraph doesn't make any sense. What is wrong with it?

-S

According to Gallup bush's approval ratings before 911 ranged from low 60's to low 50's

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113641/Despite-Recent-Lows-Bush-Approval-Average-Midrange.aspx