Obama ticks off whiners?

[Sea Demon]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE51G6DW20090217

Obama orders more troops into Afghanistan. 17,000 more to be exact. Sounds like a Bush "surge" strategy at play here. So.........

Does this action mean Obama is a war criminal as he is continuing Bush's war policy?

Does Obama=Hitler yet as this still amounts to a foreign intervention that he now owns?

Where are all the anti-war whiners????

Where is Code Pink???

Where is Cindy Sheehan??

Where are the whiners of Europe??

Are all troops out of Iraq as promised, and if not, where are the calls for immediate withdrawal?

[Bewolf]

In Europe, I give him credit for a bit time to come. He is brand new in office, I see that he actually tries to improve on many levels, I'm also aware he is not a superman but a mere men with the right attitutes. We do not expect wonders but at least the honest "attempt" to make things betters. So far he lived up to the expectations, even though his successes so far were limited. Unluckily Obama overestimates the "good" in people. He is too much of an idealist for his own good I fear.

[Sea Demon]

In Europe, I give him credit for a bit time to come. He is brand new in office, I see that he actually tries to improve on many levels, I'm also aware he is not a superman but a mere men with the right attitutes. We do not expect wonders but at least the honest "attempt" to make things betters. So far he lived up to the expectations, even though his successes so far were limited. Unluckily Obama overestimates the "good" in people. He is too much of an idealist for his own good I fear.
You have answered nothing. :down: Does this continuation of Bush policy amount to him being a war criminal? And where is all the whining? Where are the calls for withdrawal? Where is the charges of Imperialism???

[Tchocky]

It's almost like this was a stated aim of his Presidency.

[AVGWarhawk]

Obama orders more troops into Afghanistan. 17,000 more to be exact. Sounds like a Bush "surge" strategy at play here. So.........

Does this action mean Obama is a war criminal as he is continuing Bush's war policy?
Nah, he pretty much said he was going there during the campaign. Eye off the ball thing. Remember?

Does Obama=Hitler yet as this still amounts to a foreign intervention that he now owns?
Lost me on this one big guy:-?

Where are all the anti-war whiners????
They will show up sooner or later. Hate to say it, when the soldiers who died over there return home.

Where is Code Pink???
It is in the latest issue Hustler Magazine. Sorry, do not know what this is.

Where is Cindy Sheehan??
I think she is still running for senate or something. Besides, here son died in Iraq. I guess her war is over when Bush left DC.

Where are the whiners of Europe??
Hopefully nowhere and will join up for the cause.

Are all troops out of Iraq as promised, and if not, where are the calls for immediate withdrawal?
These poor guys and gals are just getting a change of address. They are just moving east of their current location. :down:

[Sea Demon]

It's almost like this was a stated aim of his Presidency.

What.....to be just like Bush by pursuing similar foreign policy? Get another drink Tchocky. Like I said....where are the Euro whiners, the "Obama=Hitler" posters, and the Code Pink anarchy in Berkeley?

[nikimcbee]

Ah, you beat me to the where's the anti-war post. Although I was going to spare europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zja97pocN8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eudy7hy940Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlndgiBhNQQ

Didn't Charly Rangle want to re-institute the draft?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl58QbpVLHw

[Sea Demon]

Nah, he pretty much said he was going there during the campaign. Eye off the ball thing. Remember?

Right. But as a result of following the Bush policy, the policy that led Bush to being called an "Imperialist" president, Hitler, war criminal, and worse....does that mean to these same losers that their hero is also all of these things?

D
Lost me on this one big guy:-?


You don't remember the screamers and their charges of "Bush=Hitler" because ofplacing troops in the Middle East and Afghanistan??

[Sea Demon]

Ah, you beat me to the where's the anti-war post. Although I was going to spare europe.


Europe has "squandered my goodwill". :-j :dead:

[AVGWarhawk]

Nah, he pretty much said he was going there during the campaign. Eye off the ball thing. Remember?
Right. But as a result of following the Bush policy, the policy that led Bush to being called an "Imperialist" president, Hitler, war criminal, and worse....does that mean to these same losers that their hero is also all of these things?

D
Lost me on this one big guy:-?

You don't remember the screamers and their charges of "Bush=Hitler" because ofplacing troops in the Middle East and Afghanistan??

There were hints that Obama would continue the Bush policies concerning this. I do not remember either one of these. :-?

[Sea Demon]

There were hints that Obama would continue the Bush policies concerning this. I do not remember either one of these. :-?

Yep. But I question the hypocritical outlook of his "drones" here and his whiny "fan-club" in Europe. Continuing Bush's so-called "crimes" makes him a "criminal" too....right?

[AVGWarhawk]

There were hints that Obama would continue the Bush policies concerning this. I do not remember either one of these. :-?
Yep. But I question the hypocritical outlook of his "drones" here and his whiny "fan-club" in Europe. Continuing Bush's so-called "crimes" makes him a "criminal" too....right?
By definition, yes. He is continuing the 'war crimes' by embracing the Bush policy. You see though, some walk on water. Some do not. -shrug-

[baggygreen]

There were hints that Obama would continue the Bush policies concerning this. I do not remember either one of these. :-?
Yep. But I question the hypocritical outlook of his "drones" here and his whiny "fan-club" in Europe. Continuing Bush's so-called "crimes" makes him a "criminal" too....right?
By definition, yes. He is continuing the 'war crimes' by embracing the Bush policy. You see though, some walk on water. Some do not. -shrug-Summed up well.

[Sea Demon]

There were hints that Obama would continue the Bush policies concerning this. I do not remember either one of these. :-?
Yep. But I question the hypocritical outlook of his "drones" here and his whiny "fan-club" in Europe. Continuing Bush's so-called "crimes" makes him a "criminal" too....right?
By definition, yes. He is continuing the 'war crimes' by embracing the Bush policy. You see though, some walk on water. Some do not. -shrug-

Oh, I know how these types observe the world. They view it in a frame of inconsistent, hypocritical, and haphazard confusion. I just wanted to spotlight it.

[Platapus]

And where is all the whining?

Well, it kinda sounds like you are handling that part. :D

Give it time, Remember, many Americans liked Bush for the first year or two also. I am sure that the protesters are warming up once the honeymoon is over. Let's give the President a little time to get things going. There is plenty of time in the next four years to heap hatred on him. :03:

There are many, myself included, who are just waiting to see what happens.. waiting to see if President Obama's plans work out. If they don't, I am sure President Obama will get the full Bush treatment. :yep:

I intend on treating President Obama the same as I treated Bush. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt until he acted, in my opinion, against the best interests of the country. Only then did I start disliking him.

The same criteria will apply to President Obama. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until, in my opinion, he is acting against the best interests of the country. If he fails, I will be the first one to Bushize him. :rock:

[Fr8monkey]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

[August]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

Well that's your perspective anyways...

[Fr8monkey]

Not from what I have read in this forum atleast.

[Platapus]

This forum, while very nice, is hardly a sample of America. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past. :down:

[baggygreen]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past. :down:Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars:know:

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

[CaptainHaplo]

I am no Bushie - nor am I an Obamaknight.

I tore my hair out when the R's under Bush created a 700 BILLION dollar stimulus package, and called it a horrible move. I was right - it did jack squat. Now we have another one - with another Trillion dollar package already in the works for next year.

All three are terrible decisions - regardless of the letter beside the person's name.

The war in Iraq was not a bad war - it simply was carried out wrong. Now the progress that has been made, is possibly lost due to political promises made - that also is a bad move. However, if a drawdown is done as the leaders on the ground insist is necessary - then progress can be salvaged.

As for Afghanistan - isn't it odd that Obama is reproducing the surge that he claimed had no effect in Iraq, said in his debates that the same strategy would fail in Afghanistan, yet he is now finding it the best course......

Ultimately I have already given the guy a chance - and so far he has failed to live up to what he has promised.

#1 No lobbyists in his administration. He broke that promise before even being sworn in.
#2 Transparency in his and governments actions - yet HIS justice department - withi his ok - is refusing to present documention that has been requested under FoIA.
#3 No cronyism/corruption - instead he would restore dignity and trust to government. - so far he has appointed at least THREE people who couldn't even be straight enough to pay their own taxes - boy thats reassuring....
#4 Every bill he signs will be posted for 5 days for public feedback and review before he signs/vetoes it - uhm... the stimulus/porkulus bill was up for less than 48 hours in its final form before he signed it. Not to mention that when it was in the House/Senate "agreement" committee - the final draft that both sides went to lobbiests before the actual senators and representatives offices got them. How about that cleaned up government thats going to be FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
#5 He got on national TV the other night - prime time - and flat out lied to the American People. He said there were no pork projects, no special interest money in the bill..... How much goes to ACORN again? How much for local projects wanted by this senator or that representative? Those are the definitions of pork projects and special interests.

I didn't give Bush a pass on his mistakes and falsehoods - and I won't give Obama any free passes either.

[AVGWarhawk]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past. :down:Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars:know:

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

Exactly baggy...you nailed it on the head. Indoctrination, not critical thinking, is what is happening.

[surf_ten]

Problem is the "Bushies" wont give him any chance at all.

America is all for giving anyone a chance. However, there are 'chances' being taken that even the common layman could tell you will not work. These are the chances that 'Bushies' have a problem with. I'm beginning to think critical thinking is becoming the thing of the past. :down:Whats critical thinking? they didnt teach that at school, they only said americans was bad cos they killed lots of people in the wars:know:

Unfortunately, thats what education here is being reduced to..

Exactly baggy...you nailed it on the head. Indoctrination, not critical thinking, is what is happening.

It's a good thing than Obama is doubling the education department budget to speed up the indoctrination process. Plus our kids need more condoms.

[Enigma]

Education is the silver bullet.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Wait, was Obama just compared to Hitler?

[JetSnake]

I am no Bushie - nor am I an Obamaknight.

I tore my hair out when the R's under Bush created a 700 BILLION dollar stimulus package, and called it a horrible move. I was right - it did jack squat. Now we have another one - with another Trillion dollar package already in the works for next year.

All three are terrible decisions - regardless of the letter beside the person's name.

The war in Iraq was not a bad war - it simply was carried out wrong. Now the progress that has been made, is possibly lost due to political promises made - that also is a bad move. However, if a drawdown is done as the leaders on the ground insist is necessary - then progress can be salvaged.

As for Afghanistan - isn't it odd that Obama is reproducing the surge that he claimed had no effect in Iraq, said in his debates that the same strategy would fail in Afghanistan, yet he is now finding it the best course......

Ultimately I have already given the guy a chance - and so far he has failed to live up to what he has promised.

#1 No lobbyists in his administration. He broke that promise before even being sworn in.
#2 Transparency in his and governments actions - yet HIS justice department - withi his ok - is refusing to present documention that has been requested under FoIA.
#3 No cronyism/corruption - instead he would restore dignity and trust to government. - so far he has appointed at least THREE people who couldn't even be straight enough to pay their own taxes - boy thats reassuring....
#4 Every bill he signs will be posted for 5 days for public feedback and review before he signs/vetoes it - uhm... the stimulus/porkulus bill was up for less than 48 hours in its final form before he signed it. Not to mention that when it was in the House/Senate "agreement" committee - the final draft that both sides went to lobbiests before the actual senators and representatives offices got them. How about that cleaned up government thats going to be FOR THE PEOPLE and BY THE PEOPLE.
#5 He got on national TV the other night - prime time - and flat out lied to the American People. He said there were no pork projects, no special interest money in the bill..... How much goes to ACORN again? How much for local projects wanted by this senator or that representative? Those are the definitions of pork projects and special interests.

I didn't give Bush a pass on his mistakes and falsehoods - and I won't give Obama any free passes either.



The kenyan has bamboozled 65million Americans to give him a chance to "change" the way things are done. He is now cashing in that political capital given to people who for the most part thought the Republicans were in complete control of all 3 branches of government for the past 8 years.

The funny part is, after 3 weeks in ultimate power, all of the obots I know are hanging their heads in shame, seeing that they have been hoodwinked by the "one". I have never seen a rapid disillusion with a politician yet. Typically it takes a couple of years. But this guy and the stellar administration he has managed to keep together at this point (barring anymore appointees with tax and ethics problems). Is surely setting records.

Of course the government-media complex will not paint it that way. Now if they can only go after the pundits on the radio and internet and their complete control of information will be complete.

[Iceman]

I saw the other day Obama asked point blank if he will change the policy to let the coffins of U.S. service men to be filmed and put on the news like was done I guess in past wars...he dodged the question...dork ...instead of saying yes like his worshipers wanted....and as his budy Obiden had said..."we should not be sneaking them back into the country"...I agree...people need to see and know the cost of War...and the Cost of failure...this in my opinion was a mistake not to make it more public....when the people saw 2000 people get squashed like bugs in the WTC's it pissed some people off and some action was taken....well when I see my brothers coming back home not the same way they left it pisses me off too and want them to be able to finish what was started...until they / the president or military leaders, deem it to be resolved...and can say...we did it right, we did it the best that could be done...we did something to fight the *******s in the world and to make a difference.

Where are all the anti-war whiners????
They will show up sooner or later. Hate to say it, when the soldiers who died over there return home.

[August]

I agree...people need to see and know the cost of War...and the Cost of failure...this in my opinion was a mistake not to make it more public....

I'm not too hot on the idea of using the bodies of our slain soldiers to increase media ratings which is what this flap is all about.

[Bewolf]

You guys are under the wrong impression that Obama is measured the same way Bush was when he came to Power. Clinton, at least overseas, was a respected president. The Lewinsky affair actually made him more human and sympathethic over here, unlike in the US where he was kinda demonized. Then came Bush, and sh*t hit the fan. For 8 years he dragged down the american reputation to levels never seen before. By now it is kinda set knowledge that the US is a country willing to accept torture, war mongering and a screwed up justice system where ppl can be kidnapped and hold without trial as a way of life, kinda like the Soviet Union in times of the cold war. Obama to Bush is like Gorbachev to Brezhenev, far away from a a shining leader, bound by a population that in large parts still approve and support the road to become the worlds biggest baddie and see both foreign folks and their own soldiers throw their lives away, but idealistic enough too give some hope to ppl.

As I said, though, I fear, like Gorbachev, he is too idealistic for his own country, which is pretty obvious especially in here where ppl can't let go of the old, convinient ways.

[Platapus]

One could ask "what helped end the Vietnam war?"

One possible answer was Television. Vietnam was the first war that was regularly televised. And as such, was the first war that really exposed large numbers of citizens in America to the horrors of war. Even as a young punk, I remember watching the Vietnam war on TV and thinking to myself, "wow, war sucks".

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/W/htmlW/warontelevi/warontelevi.htm

This exposure to the horrors of the war can have a large influence on the citizen's perceptions. If you want your citizens to be more accepting of war, it is important to isolate them from the war. The United States was pretty successful in WWII on this and very successful in WWI. Unfortunately/fortunately the free press often compensates, often to the displeasure of the government.

President Bush's staff recognized this and as a way of shielding the citizens from the costs of the Invasion of Iraq, decided to hide the numbers of caskets from the public. This is also why the Government was very reluctant to publish US body counts. It was OK to publish body counts of "them" but not "us".

They couched this in rhetoric of respect for the military. But this, in my opinion, only made it more insulting.

President Obama would like for the public's perception of the Invasion of Iraq to continue to drop. It is part of President Obama's platform to withdraw from Iraq. So from an Iraq point of view, President Obama would be willing to show the body counts. It would help his position

However, President Obama wants the public's perception of the Invasion of Afghanistan to remain high as President Obama's plan is to increase our efforts in Afghanistan. The last thing President Obama wants is images of US body counts coming out of Afghanistan, especially since more Americans will be dying in Afghanistan soon. It would not help his position.

This may explain why President Obama is waffling at the question "will you allow the publishing of images of caskets?"