British dhimmitude delivers blow to free thought and free speech in the EU

[Skybird]

we have seen accoridng actions in Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany before: preventive obedience to Islamic threats of unrest leading to giving up civil rights, basic laws and basic freedoms. Now it is the British's go again.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,607173,00.html

Down with secularism! Down with freedom! Small people we want to be - so let's behave small!

We are not really mediocre - we are extraordinary, aren't we.

Extraordinarily medicore, that is.

[Tribesman]

I cannot believe the Brits have been so stupid .
Let the publicity whore Wilders into the country , show the film and let everyone see how much crap he talks .
Why give the idiot the chance to claim to be a martyr for free speech ?
Just let him speak everywhere and expose himself as the comlete muppet that he is , that way everyone gets a good laugh because even though it is unintentional good old Geert is far more comical than many comedians .

[Letum]

I cannot believe the Brits have been so stupid .
Let the publicity whore Wilders into the country , show the film and let everyone see how much crap he talks .
Why give the idiot the chance to claim to be a martyr for free speech ?
Just let him speak everywhere and expose himself as the comlete muppet that he is , that way everyone gets a good laugh because even though it is unintentional good old Geert is far more comical than many comedians .

This with bells on!

[Kapt Z]

The Brits should just let him in. Dangerous path they're wandering on....:shifty:

[Konovalov]

I cannot believe the Brits have been so stupid .
Let the publicity whore Wilders into the country , show the film and let everyone see how much crap he talks .
Why give the idiot the chance to claim to be a martyr for free speech ?
Just let him speak everywhere and expose himself as the comlete muppet that he is , that way everyone gets a good laugh because even though it is unintentional good old Geert is far more comical than many comedians .

This with bells on!
And with bigger bells on. :up:

There is a good column in the Times which shares the same view: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article5712187.ece

[Happy Times]

Mr. Wilders is a very brave and admirable man, maybe this persecution will take him also from Europe to America.

America as the last man standing

Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me. Great to be at the Four Seasons. I come from a country that has one season only: a rainy season that starts January 1st and ends December 31st. When we have three sunny days in a row, the government declares a national emergency. So Four Seasons, that’s new to me.

It’s great to be in New York. When I see the skyscrapers and office buildings, I think of what Ayn Rand said: “The sky over New York and the will of man made visible.” Of course. Without the Dutch you would have been nowhere, still figuring out how to buy this island from the Indians. But we are glad we did it for you. And, frankly, you did a far better job than we possibly could have done.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe? Patriots from around Europe risk their lives every day to prevent precisely this scenario form becoming a reality.

My short lecture consists of 4 parts.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. Thirdly, if you are still here, I will talk a little bit about the movie you just saw. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar Square and Rome’s ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam. They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a hundred years ago.

But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world, a world very few visitors see – and one that does not appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighbourhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corner. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighbourhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.


Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear “whore, whore”. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin. In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favour of a worldwide caliphate. A Dutch study reported that half of Dutch Muslims admit they “understand” the 9/11 attacks.

Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. Our elites are willing to give in. To give up. In my own country we have gone from calls by one cabinet member to turn Muslim holidays into official state holidays, to statements by another cabinet member, that Islam is part of Dutch culture, to an affirmation by the Christian-Democratic attorney general that he is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behaviour, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. Some prefer to see these as isolated incidents, but I call it a Muslim intifada. I call the perpetrators “settlers”. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighbourhoods, their cities, their countries.

Politicians shy away from taking a stand against this creeping sharia. They believe in the equality of all cultures. Moreover, on a mundane level, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

Our many problems with Islam cannot be explained by poverty, repression or the European colonial past, as the Left claims. Nor does it have anything to do with Palestinians or American troops in Iraq. The problem is Islam itself.

Allow me to give you a brief Islam 101. The first thing you need to know about Islam is the importance of the book of the Quran. The Quran is Allah’s personal word, revealed by an angel to Mohammed, the prophet. This is where the trouble starts. Every word in the Quran is Allah’s word and therefore not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such a thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims. But a moderate Islam is non-existent.

The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfil their duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to rule the world – by the sword. The Quran is clearly anti-Semitic, describing Jews as monkeys and pigs.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behaviour is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. He advised on matters of slavery, but never advised to liberate slaves. Islam has no other morality than the advancement of Islam. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad. There is no gray area or other side.

Quran as Allah’s own word and Mohammed as the perfect man are the two most important facets of Islam. Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

This is what you need to know about Islam, in order to understand what is going on in Europe. For millions of Muslims the Quran and the live of Mohammed are not 14 centuries old, but are an everyday reality, an ideal, that guide every aspect of their lives. Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam “the most retrograde force in the world”, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.

Which brings me to my movie, Fitna.

I am a lawmaker, and not a movie maker. But I felt I had the moral duty to educate about Islam. The duty to make clear that the Quran stands at the heart of what some people call terrorism but is in reality jihad. I wanted to show that the problems of Islam are at the core of Islam, and do not belong to its fringes.

Now, from the day the plan for my movie was made public, it caused quite a stir, in the Netherlands and throughout Europe. First, there was a political storm, with government leaders, across the continent in sheer panic. The Netherlands was put under a heightened terror alert, because of possible attacks or a revolt by our Muslim population. The Dutch branch of the Islamic organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir declared that the Netherlands was due for an attack. Internationally, there was a series of incidents. The Taliban threatened to organize additional attacks against Dutch troops in Afghanistan, and a website linked to Al Qaeda published the message that I ought to be killed, while various muftis in the Middle East stated that I would be responsible for all the bloodshed after the screening of the movie. In Afghanistan and Pakistan the Dutch flag was burned on several occasions. Dolls representing me were also burned. The Indonesian President announced that I will never be admitted into Indonesia again, while the UN Secretary General and the European Union issued cowardly statements in the same vein as those made by the Dutch Government. I could go on and on. It was an absolute disgrace, a sell-out.

A plethora of legal troubles also followed, and have not ended yet. Currently the state of Jordan is litigating against me. Only last week there were renewed security agency reports about a heightened terror alert for the Netherlands because of Fitna.

Now, I would like to say a few things about Israel. Because, very soon, we will get together in its capitol. The best way for a politician in Europe to loose votes is to say something positive about Israel. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel. I see defending Israel as a matter of principle. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: “Islam has bloody borders”. Israel is located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. Therefore, it is not that the West has a stake in Israel. It is Israel.

It is very difficult to be an optimist in the face of the growing Islamization of Europe. All the tides are against us. On all fronts we are losing. Demographically the momentum is with Islam. Muslim immigration is even a source of pride within ruling liberal parties. Academia, the arts, the media, trade unions, the churches, the business world, the entire political establishment have all converted to the suicidal theory of multiculturalism. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. The entire establishment has sided with our enemy. Leftists, liberals and Christian-Democrats are now all in bed with Islam.

This is the most painful thing to see: the betrayal by our elites. At this moment in Europe’s history, our elites are supposed to lead us. To stand up for centuries of civilization. To defend our heritage. To honour our eternal Judeo-Christian values that made Europe what it is today. But there are very few signs of hope to be seen at the governmental level. Sarkozy, Merkel, Brown, Berlusconi; in private, they probably know how grave the situation is. But when the little red light goes on, they stare into the camera and tell us that Islam is a religion of peace, and we should all try to get along nicely and sing Kumbaya. They willingly participate in, what President Reagan so aptly called: “the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.”

If there is hope in Europe, it comes from the people, not from the elites. Change can only come from a grass-roots level. It has to come from the citizens themselves. Yet these patriots will have to take on the entire political, legal and media establishment.

Over the past years there have been some small, but encouraging, signs of a rebirth of the original European spirit. Maybe the elites turn their backs on freedom, the public does not. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat to our national identity. I don’t think the public opinion in Holland is very different from other European countries.

Patriotic parties that oppose jihad are growing, against all odds. My own party debuted two years ago, with five percent of the vote. Now it stands at ten percent in the polls. The same is true of all smililary-minded parties in Europe. They are fighting the liberal establishment, and are gaining footholds on the political arena, one voter at the time.

Now, for the first time, these patriotic parties will come together and exchange experiences. It may be the start of something big. Something that might change the map of Europe for decades to come. It might also be Europe’s last chance.

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem. Thanks to Professor Aryeh Eldad, a member of Knesset, we will be able to watch Fitna in the Knesset building and discuss the jihad. We are organizing this event in Israel to emphasize the fact that we are all in the same boat together, and that Israel is part of our common heritage. Those attending will be a select audience. No racist organizations will be allowed. And we will only admit parties that are solidly democratic.

This conference will be the start of an Alliance of European patriots. This Alliance will serve as the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and Islamization. For this Alliance I seek your support.

This endeavor may be crucial to America and to the West. America may hold fast to the dream that, thanks tot its location, it is safe from jihad and shaira. But seven years ago to the day, there was still smoke rising from ground zero, following the attacks that forever shattered that dream. Yet there is a danger even greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe’s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

This is not the first time our civilization is under threat. We have seen dangers before. We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed.

These are not times in which to take lessons from appeasement, capitulation, giving away, giving up or giving in. These are not times in which to draw lessons from Mr. Chamberlain. These are times calling us to draw lessons from Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:

“Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022867.php

[Happy Times]

Islam Controls the House of Lords?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HVbGEVzXG4&feature=channel_page

Shame on You Britain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pauMQUnaU_Y

[XabbaRus]

Sod off.....

I don't agree with this guy being barred but for the reasons of giving him more publicity than he is due.

He was also invited by a UKIP lord, practically the BNP in bowler hats.

When I saw the thread title I thought Avon Lady was back.

[Happy Times]

Lol, the irony.:rotfl:

Lord Ahmed:"Freedom of speech but not at my expense."

Dutch MP Geert Wilders banned from entering UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Y2W-GF6kk&feature=email

[Skybird]

Think of Wilder'S film what you want, guys, I said myself I do not see any incorrect statement in it, but also do not rate it as the great sensation as which it was sold in advance - which makes the uproar even more difficult to understand. why the noise if the film was so mediocre?

It is not about Wilders or his film in this thread - it is about the fact that ONCE AGAIN a European country has abandoned and fallen back from guaranteeing it's most precious and valuable freedoms and values for the sake of not not to become targeted by feared new islamic intimidation, threats, and bullying. It is about this becoming a rule in the EU.

This is the real news here (or not, since it has become a regular habit in recent years).

Message is this: intimidate them loud enough, and threaten them uproar often enough, and Europe will abandon it's oh so precious oh so indispensable values and principles all to willingly and even in advance - even if you did not act, but just could happen to act, eventually. European culture is a culture of conflict-unable cowards, and the basic principle their actions are basing upon is ANGST in face of an aggressively advancing challenger.

European pride - not. :down: Why defending a place of cowards not willing to resist. for a past that once was, but is no more, and a cultural superior heritage sold away volunatrily, without being forced to do so? such a people cannot value the treasures it lives by, and thus does not deserve them. There will come a day when I will be too tired to try to hope for europe anymore, and when I can't help myself any longer, and will just spit on this place and turn my back on europe and just spend it a sneering laughter while it is falling into dependance, dominance and finally: rulership by Islamic totalitarianism. Then, some may cry and demand back their freedom they took for granted, but gave away so foolishly, voluntarily. But it will be gone in a dark age lasting centuries and centuries.

Usually i am not into religious prophecies, but ironcially certain Buddhist lineages hold prophecies of such a dark age coming, right in our time now, descriptions matching what Islam is about. It's said that it will last for very, very long. And I see that it already has begun.

[porphy]

When I saw the thread title I thought Avon Lady was back.
That disappearance was good riddance of a certain kind of link spam from the GT forum.

I managed to read quite a few of the paragraphs of Mr Wilders vomit before I decided to stop in order to save some precious seconds of my life for something better.

Sure, J.S. Mill said that free speech is essential to weed out the bad ideas from the good ones, but frankly I can't see why Wilder has to come to the UK in order to properly label how he presents his ideas as pretty useless in the discussion about Islam in Europe. If there is anything of value to discuss in his views, he perfectly drowns it in his rhetoric of foul tasting patriotism and scare mongering.

The only legitimate reason to ban him from entering the UK would be his haircut. I'm sure there got to be a law against the one he sports in that photo. :)

cheers Porphy

[Tribesman]

Happy Times .
Do you not understand that the irony works both ways ?
Wilders too complains that freedom of speech should be very limited ....but not his .
nice link BTW , but doesn't the US government amongst others class that site as a racist hatesite .
Then again when you can write ....Mr. Wilders is a very brave and admirable man....it does show that even without your link you have a rather warped perpective .

[Happy Times]

Happy Times .
Do you not understand that the irony works both ways ?
Wilders too complains that freedom of speech should be very limited ....but not his .

Wilders isnt the one threatening with violence and 10.000 strong angry mobs, if you cant see the difference i can only feel pity for you.


nice link BTW , but doesn't the US government amongst others class that site as a racist hatesite .

News to me, in US the freedom of speech is still a live.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) on the otherhand has accused Jihad Watch. But as CAIR has ties to terrorist groups, including Hamas, i find it hard to take them seriously.

Then again when you can write ....Mr. Wilders is a very brave and admirable man....it does show that even without your link you have a rather warped perpective .

I know, its a rare thing these days, its called having a pair.

[Skybird]

The overwhelming majority - if not all! - of Muslim councils in Germany have strong ties to ultra-orthodox and in case of Turkish organisations: ultra-nationalistic organisations, and since Islam as a basic principle talks of "tolerance" but wants it's own dominance, and talks of "free speech" but means "as long as not violating the rules of sharia or the superior respectability of islam", it neither is surprising nor does it mean anything to be taken as serious when Islam in the West complains about "hate crimes" against them and "Islamophobia". I wonder how often I committed hate crimes against my beloved parents then, when not agreeing with them on something, and doing different than they hoped I would.

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people, even if kicking the tolerance and kindness of their hosts with feet and wishing them bloodbaths and firestorms for still not havcing confessed to Islam. but to accuse Western critics as racists and hate-criminals, has become a popular sports, and to threaten people speaking out against Islam with murder and hellfire in the hereafter - is fully acceptable for the overwhelming majority of Muslim communities, and for the western public as well, who got used to it as some kind of unavoidable fact of life one cannot and should not do anything about, like traffic accidents. and I intentionally and in full awareness accuse the wide majority of Muslim communities of this tolerance for intimidation and murder - because they do not speak out against it, do not take stand against it, do not cooperate with the police to identify pigs hiding in their middle that are intimidating native people like this, deliberately refuse to do so, demand to be informed in advance of plice actions against such extremists (so that they can help them by warning them), and silently and passively provide the opportunity where the seed of such inhumane and stupid thinking can grow, and live on. You get judged by the people with which you surround yourself - that's just fair deal. And if you do not care for what bullying behavior is conducted in your name, you are rightfully accused of being in agreement with it.

It's all just "Islamophobia" and "racism" by people like me. Yeah, sure, what else. It cannot be what should not be. The greatest and most intolerant racist of all - is Islam itself. You find it in it'S very heart and essence, you see it committing itself to these principles and speaking out in their names. You see it acting accordingly all over the world. But people like me defending Western values and freedoms are just islamophobes! :haha:

If islamophobia means to stand up against totalitarianism and aggressive supremacism, criticising religious superstition and brain-mutilating dogmas, the supression of women and people of non-islamic faith, and if islamophobia means to defend the tradition of humanism and the human rights, the constitutional orders of our nations and the various guaranteed qualities of freedom - then yes, then I am an islamophobe by conviction indeed, becausue I am phobic indeed to intolerance, aggression, religious hate-preaching, hypocritic self-justification of criminal deeds and warcrimes, in short I am phobic to stupidity and ideologic megalomania. I am phobic to lacking freedom. And I am thankful for that, for to be phobic in that understanding means that I am sane and of healthy reason.

[Foxtrot]

I think Wilders is not qualified even for ministry of waste and sewerage.
By the way...is it possible for an anti-semite fella to enter in UK?

Who in right mind supports this clown? He even wants to limit public television to a single channel and "dramatic" tax cutting? :D

[OneToughHerring]

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,

Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?

[Happy Times]

I think Wilders is not qualified even for ministry of waste and sewerage.
By the way...is it possible for an anti-semite fella to enter in UK?

He isnt an anti-semite, unlike most muslims. He has actually lived and worked in Israel and has many jewish friends.

Who in right mind supports this clown? He even wants to limit public television to a single channel and "dramatic" tax cutting? :D

Sounds good to me.:rock:

[Happy Times]

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,

Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?

Which came first the chicken or the egg?
Lets be honest about what is a bigger problem in scale.
You seem to want find excuses to defend terrorism, i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.

[Dowly]

Which came first the chicken or the egg?


Egg. :know:

[OneToughHerring]

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,
Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
Lets be honest about what is a bigger problem in scale.
You seem to want find excuses to defend terrorism, i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.

As Dowly said, the egg. And in this case the egg is the nationalistic terror by the German nazis/neo-nazis.

[Dowly]

No no no, it's just an egg, ok? Dont get an innocent egg involved to this. :shifty:

[OneToughHerring]

No no no, it's just an egg, ok? Dont get an innocent egg involved to this. :shifty:
Ok. Sometimes an egg is just an egg.

[Tchocky]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.
Do you actually mean this?

[Happy Times]

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,
Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
Lets be honest about what is a bigger problem in scale.
You seem to want find excuses to defend terrorism, i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.

As Dowly said, the egg. And in this case the egg is the nationalistic terror by the German nazis/neo-nazis.

And that led to Muhammed declaring Jihad on the infidels, silly me.:damn:

[Happy Times]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.
Do you actually mean this?

Strong possibility, atleast the real blame is on the evil West.

[OneToughHerring]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers. Do you actually mean this?
To bump this great thread once more, I think HT is just himself very happy about neo-nazi acts of terror. Who knows, when playing SH 3 he probably fondly remembers the 'happy times' when the ovens were warm 24/7.

[Dowly]

This thread just got interesting. :woot:

[Schroeder]

Actually the majority of neo Nazis is in the east of Germany while the majority of muslims in Germany is living in the west. I don't think they have much influence on each other but their goals and ways of thinking are pretty much the same: "We are the masterrace / -religion and should rightfully take over the planet to rule the others."
Same sh*t different a**holes. :down:

[Tchocky]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.
Do you actually mean this?

Strong possibility, atleast the real blame is on the evil West.
Strong possibility?

You posted it!

[Happy Times]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers. Do you actually mean this?
To bump this great thread once more, I think HT is just himself very happy about neo-nazi acts of terror. Who knows, when playing SH 3 he probably fondly remembers the 'happy times' when the ovens were warm 24/7.
I am talking against anti-semitism and freedom of speech, you are the one supporting them. You have also defended Soviet Union and Stalin before. The multiculturalist idelogy suits the socialists well, its the old goal of dismantling the western society, borders and nation states.

[OneToughHerring]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers. Do you actually mean this?
To bump this great thread once more, I think HT is just himself very happy about neo-nazi acts of terror. Who knows, when playing SH 3 he probably fondly remembers the 'happy times' when the ovens were warm 24/7. I am talking against anti-semitism and freedom of speech, you are the one supporting them. You have also defended Soviet Union and Stalin before. The multiculturalist idelogy suits the socialists well, its the old goal of dismantling the western society, borders and nation states.
If you talk against anti-semitism (or anti-Jewishness to be precise, there are more Semites then just the Jews) does that mean you wouldn't mind having more Jewish people living in Europe? You folks should really try to make up your minds already.

As far as Stalin and the Soviets, should the citizens of country A decide what leader country B has? Difficult question, in the case of Soviets and Stalin would someone else have succeeded better against the nazis? Who knows, but it's touching to know that you would have wanted to 'save' Russians/Soviets from the bad leader. How sweet of you.

[Skybird]

Islamic hate preachers and extremists still are not threatend to get assassinated by western people,

Oh yea, it's only the innocent that get targeted and murdered by neo-nazis in arson attacks etc. I wonder why that is?
That is because it is barbecue season 24/365 in our fourth Reich. I myself for example just roasted two Lebanese babies yesterday, a brother and a sister. They burned so lovely, and their crying was so cute. Of course it was too much meat for one fella like me alone, so most of it was for the dogs. :yeah:

[Happy Times]

If you talk against anti-semitism (or anti-Jewishness to be precise, there are more Semites then just the Jews) does that mean you wouldn't mind having more Jewish people living in Europe? You folks should really try to make up your minds already.

Generelly it is understood as anti-jewishness, not arabs, that was what i was referring to anyway.
No i woulndt mind, Jews are part of Europes Judeo-Cristian culture from centuries. Unfortunately Jews are fleeing Europe, but not because of Nazis but because Muslims and Black/Red activists like you. I dont know what you are referring with "you folks", i think you really want me to be a Nazi so you can sleep at night.



As far as Stalin and the Soviets, should the citizens of country A decide what leader country B has? Difficult question, in the case of Soviets and Stalin would someone else have succeeded better against the nazis? Who knows, but it's touching to know that you would have wanted to 'save' Russians/Soviets from the bad leader. How sweet of you.


Following that logic Hitler was a legimite leader as he was elected by his people,
Stalin on the otherhand murdered his way to power.
You must feel scitsofrenic at times?
Try take the sane wiew that they where both evil massmurderers.:yeah:

[Happy Times]

i bet you smile when you read about sucide bombers.
Do you actually mean this?

Strong possibility, atleast the real blame is on the evil West.
Strong possibility?

You posted it!

Yes, i would place a bet on it. So?

[OneToughHerring]

Generelly it is understood as anti-jewishness, not arabs, that was what i was referring to anyway.
No i woulndt mind, Jews are part of Europes Judeo-Cristian culture from centuries. Unfortunately Jews are fleeing Europe, but not because of Nazis but because Muslims and Black/Red activists like you. I dont know what you are referring with "you folks", i think you really want me to be a Nazi so you can sleep at night.
Ok so you have a problem with Arabs but not Jews, well then anti-semitism is maybe a too wide term. I'm referring to nazis, both neo and 'old'. And no I'm not a communist but if you have to label me that so you can sleep at night then go ahead. And to be honest I don't really believe you when you say you'd like to have Jewish people come to Europe based on some "Judeo-Christian" similarity. I believe this Jewish exodus back to Europe when I see it, ok?

Following that logic Hitler was a legimite leader as he was elected by his people,
Stalin on the otherhand murdered his way to power.
You must feel scitsofrenic at times?
Try take the sane wiew that they where both evil massmurderers.:yeah:
I wish it was as simple as "all dictators are bad" and "Hitler = Stalin". I admit as a measly scholar of history that it would make things a lot more black and white, and I'm sure you like it when things are very black and white, right? What guarantees were there that had the Russians/Soviets not had Stalin and some kind of alliance, there wouldn't have been a race war against them? The German nationalists wouldn't have come up with GPO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost) without Hitler?

Anyway, go ahead and spam Wilders-crap, I hope more people see his documentary only to find out how crappy it truly is.

[Happy Times]

Ok so you have a problem with Arabs but not Jews, well then anti-semitism is maybe a too wide term.
I dont even have a problem with Arabs, i have a problem with anti-semite and anti-western Arabs.

I'm referring to nazis, both neo and 'old'. And no I'm not a communist but if you have to label me that so you can sleep at night then go ahead. And to be honest I don't really believe you when you say you'd like to have Jewish people come to Europe based on some "Judeo-Christian" similarity. I believe this Jewish exodus back to Europe when I see it, ok?

Im not sure what you are, anarchist or bolsevik, but i know you are dangerous.
I can say that our family friends are Jewish and i have lived in Israel, maybe ive hidden my inner Nazi all this time.


Following that logic Hitler was a legimite leader as he was elected by his people,
Stalin on the otherhand murdered his way to power.
You must feel scitsofrenic at times?
Try take the sane wiew that they where both evil massmurderers.:yeah:
I wish it was as simple as "all dictators are bad" and "Hitler = Stalin". I admit as a measly scholar of history that it would make things a lot more black and white, and I'm sure you like it when things are very black and white, right? What guarantees were there that had the Russians/Soviets not had Stalin and some kind of alliance, there wouldn't have been a race war against them? The German nationalists wouldn't have come up with GPO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost) without Hitler?


Do they teach history scholars that you cant re-write history based on what ifs?
Fact is that Stalin had more people killed that Hitler and launched genocides based on etnicity. Neo-Stalinist hide behind the labels these acts were committed.


Anyway, go ahead and spam Wilders-crap, I hope more people see his documentary only to find out how crappy it truly is.


I agree there are better films on the subject but this film has served its purpose in revealing the dhimmitude in Europe.

[Happy Times]

Freedom go to hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6PRABq4HM

[Tribesman]

I know, its a rare thing these days, its called having a pair.
So you have balls for brains , that explains a lot .
Wilders isnt the one threatening with violence and 10.000 strong angry mobs, if you cant see the difference i can only feel pity for you.

Save your pity for yourself , you clearly need it .
So tell me , if of course you can get your testicles to perform simple cognitive functions , since Wilders said that his intention is to provoke a violent reaction how is he not threatening violence ?

But to look at this freedom of speech from a different perspective .
If I was to hold a theory that Catholics are evil violent terrorists and to prove my point chose to walk into a pub near Glasgows Celtic Park full of Cairde Na hEirann freaks and say the Pope is a poof . Would I be a brave and admirable person exercising my freedom of speech or just a bloody idiot setting out to cause trouble?

BTW Happy Times , with your earlier comment about Islam controls the House of Lords ?
Do you think it might be an idea to write to Westminster and tell them just in case the Lords Spiritual and the Chief Rabbi slept through that event .

[Skybird]

Some unbearable words for some unreasonable pussies who put glue into their eyes every morning like other people insert contact lenses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6PRABq4HM&feature=channel_page

[Happy Times]

Wilders isnt the one threatening with violence and 10.000 strong angry mobs, if you cant see the difference i can only feel pity for you.

Save your pity for yourself , you clearly need it .
So tell me , if of course you can get your testicles to perform simple cognitive functions , since Wilders said that his intention is to provoke a violent reaction how is he not threatening violence ?

Lol, where do you perform these functions as you dont have brains or balls?:har:
How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat?:hmmm:
What about Aiyan Hirsi Ali or Salman Rushdie? Both under protection and Theo van Gogh is dead. You see a pattern?
Maybe pity is wasted in you, despise might fit your arrogance and cowardice.


But to look at this freedom of speech from a different perspective .
If I was to hold a theory that Catholics are evil violent terrorists and to prove my point chose to walk into a pub near Glasgows Celtic Park full of Cairde Na hEirann freaks and say the Pope is a poof . Would I be a brave and admirable person exercising my freedom of speech or just a bloody idiot setting out to cause trouble?

You would be a bloody idiot exercising your freedom of speech.
If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.

BTW Happy Times , with your earlier comment about Islam controls the House of Lords ?
Do you think it might be an idea to write to Westminster and tell them just in case the Lords Spiritual and the Chief Rabbi slept through that event .

I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats.

[Skybird]

Sorry, HT, I just realised that you linked good ol' Pat before me.

[Happy Times]

Below is the text of the address that Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders was invited to deliver at the House of Lords on Thursday, February 12, 2009. Instead of making this address and showing his film Fitna, he was detained by UK immigration officials on his arrival at London Heathrow airport and sent back to the Netherlands as a risk to “public security.”

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

Thank you for inviting me. Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for showing Fitna [see it here], and for your gracious invitation. While others look away, you seem to understand the true tradition of your country, and a flag that still stands for freedom.

This is no ordinary place. This is not just one of England’s tourist attractions. This is a sacred place. This is the mother of all Parliaments, and I am deeply humbled to speak before you.

The Houses of Parliament is where Winston Churchill stood firm, and warned – all throughout the 1930’s – for the dangers looming. Most of the time he stood alone.

In 1982 President Reagan came to the House of Commons, where he did a speech very few people liked. Reagan called upon the West to reject communism and defend freedom. He introduced a phrase: ‘evil empire’. Reagan’s speech stands out as a clarion call to preserve our liberties. I quote: If history teaches anything, it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly.

What Reagan meant is that you cannot run away from history, you cannot escape the dangers of ideologies that are out to destroy you. Denial is no option.

Communism was indeed left on the ash heap of history, just as Reagan predicted in his speech in the House of Commons. He lived to see the Berlin Wall coming down, just as Churchill witnessed the implosion of national-socialism.

Today, I come before you to warn of another great threat. It is called Islam. It poses as a religion, but its goals are very worldly: world domination, holy war, sharia law, the end of the separation of church and state, the end of democracy. It is not a religion, it is a political ideology. It demands your respect, but has no respect for you.

There might be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. Islam will never change, because it is built on two rocks that are forever, two fundamental beliefs that will never change, and will never go away. First, there is Quran, Allah’s personal word, uncreated, forever, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. And second, there is al-insal al-kamil, the perfect man, Muhammad the role model, whose deeds are to be imitated by all Muslims. And since Muhammad was a warlord and a conqueror we know what to expect.

Islam means submission, so there cannot be any mistake about it’s goal. That’s a given. The question is whether the British people, with its glorious past, is longing for that submission.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible speed. The United Kingdom has seen a rapid growth of the number of Muslims. Over the last ten years, the Muslim population has grown ten times as fast as the rest of society. This has put an enormous pressure on society. Thanks to British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill, the English now have taken the path of least resistance. They give up. They give in.

Thank you very much for letting me into the country. I received a letter from the Secretary of State for the Home Department, kindly disinviting me. I would threaten community relations, and therefore public security in the UK, the letter stated.

For a moment I feared that I would be refused entrance. But I was confident the British government would never sacrifice free speech because of fear of Islam. Britannia rules the waves, and Islam will never rule Britain, so I was confident the Border Agency would let me through. And after all, you have invited stranger creatures than me. Two years ago the House of Commons welcomed Mahmoud Suliman Ahmed Abu Rideh, linked to Al Qaeda. He was invited to Westminster by Lord Ahmed, who met him at Regent’s Park mosque three weeks before. Mr. Rideh, suspected of being a money man for terror groups, was given a SECURITY sticker for his Parliamentary visit.

Well, if you let in this man, than an elected politician from a fellow EU country surely is welcome here too. By letting me speak today you show that Mr Churchill’s spirit is still very much alive. And you prove that the European Union truly is working; the free movement of persons is still one of the pillars of the European project.

But there is still much work to be done. Britain seems to have become a country ruled by fear. A country where civil servants cancel Christmas celebrations to please Muslims. A country where Sharia Courts are part of the legal system. A country where Islamic organizations asked to stop the commemoration of the Holocaust. A country where a primary school cancels a Christmas nativity play because it interfered with an Islamic festival. A country where a school removes the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar so as not to offend Muslims. A country where a teacher punishes two students for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their religious education class. A country where elected members of a town council are told not to eat during daylight hours in town hall meetings during the Ramadan. A country that excels in its hatred of Israel, still the only democracy in the Middle-East. A country whose capitol is becoming ‘Londonistan.’

I would not qualify myself as a free man. Four and a half years ago I lost my freedom. I am under guard permanently, courtesy to those who prefer violence to debate. But for the leftist fan club of Islam, that is not enough. They started a legal procedure against me. Three weeks ago the Amsterdam Court of Appeals ordered my criminal prosecution for making Fitna and for my views on Islam. I committed what George Orwell called a ‘thought crime.’

You might have seen my name on Fitna’s credit role, but I am not really responsible for that movie. It was made for me. It was actually produced by Muslim extremists, the Quran and Islam itself. If Fitna is considered ‘hate speech,’ then how would the Court qualify the Quran, with all it’s calls for violence, and hatred against women and Jews?

Mr. Churchill himself compared the Quran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Well, I did exactly the same, and that is what they are prosecuting me for.

I wonder if the UK ever put Mr. Churchill on trail.

The Court’s decision and the letter I received form the Secretary of State for the Home Department are two major victories for all those who detest freedom of speech. They are doing Islam’s dirty work. Sharia by proxy. The differences between Saudi Arabia and Jordan on one hand, and Holland and Britain are blurring. Europe is now on the fast track of becoming Eurabia. That is apparently the price we have to pay for the project of mass immigration, and the multicultural project.

Ladies and gentlemen, the dearest of our many freedoms is under attack. In Europe, freedom of speech is no longer a given. What we once considered a natural component of our existence is now something we again have to fight for. That is what is at stake. Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most pressing issue. The question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?

We have to defend freedom of speech.

For the generation of my parents the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my country men listened to it, illegally. The words ‘This Is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon. If only the British and Canadian and American soldiers were here.

What will be transmitted forty years from now? Will it still be ‘This Is London’? Or will it be ‘this is Londonistan’? Will it bring us hope, or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery?

The choice is ours.

Ladies and gentlemen,

We will never apologize for being free. We will never give in. We will never surrender.

Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.

Thank you very much.

Geert Wilders MP
Chairman, Party for Freedom (PVV)
The Netherlands

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3796

[Tribesman]

How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat?
Wow thats a hard one .
Lets see how to put it in simple terms that you might just be able to grasp if you try and think just a little without your phobia getting in the way.
If the stated intention is to provoke a violent reaction then it is a threat to provoke violence .
Is that too complicated for you to understand ?

If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.

Wrong . I would be liable to prosecution for undertaking an action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace . Your balls are clearly no substitute for brains are they
I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats.
What threats ?
He said he would organise a mass protest outside parliament :rotfl:
Though of course he would have a problem with that as British law was changed to attempt to deal with a single protester outside parliament so if lord Ahmed wanted to organise a mass protest there he would first have to give notice of his intentions , then complete all the paperwork detailing how many people were going to attend , what they would be saying , how many banners would be dislayed , how big the banners would be ,what the banners would have written on them , how long the protest would last and where exactly outside parliament he would like his protest resricted too ....then if he actually got approval he could have held his protest without being arrested for offences under breach of public order .

Sorry, HT, I just realised that you linked good ol' Pat before me.
Good old Pat , he was a lot funnier when he was more active on the circuit , though at least he is still a real comedian while Wilders is just a joke .

[Tribesman]

Double post

[Happy Times]

How is unmasking a totalitarian ideology at the risk of his own life a threat? Wow thats a hard one .
Lets see how to put it in simple terms that you might just be able to grasp if you try and think just a little without your phobia getting in the way.
If the stated intention is to provoke a violent reaction then it is a threat to provoke violence .
Is that too complicated for you to understand ?

I dont have any irrational fears, i have concerns based on facts.
Were has Wilders said he wanted to provoke violent reactions?
The Danish cartoons prove, that you really dont need much, to get a violent reaction from the muslims.
Dont you feel this is the REAL problem, not some short film or a cartoon?
If not, it is you with irrational concerns that i have a problem to understand.


If they attacked you, they would be charged, not you.
Wrong . I would be liable to prosecution for undertaking an action that is likely to cause a breach of the peace . Your balls are clearly no substitute for brains are they

Prove it, i call BS.




I dont think anyone, but you, missed Lord Ahmeds threats. What threats ?
He said he would organise a mass protest outside parliament :rotfl:
Though of course he would have a problem with that as British law was changed to attempt to deal with a single protester outside parliament so if lord Ahmed wanted to organise a mass protest there he would first have to give notice of his intentions , then complete all the paperwork detailing how many people were going to attend , what they would be saying , how many banners would be dislayed , how big the banners would be ,what the banners would have written on them , how long the protest would last and where exactly outside parliament he would like his protest resricted too ....then if he actually got approval he could have held his protest without being arrested for offences under breach of public order .

Just like they did it last time.

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/muhammed.caricatures/freedom.go.to.hell.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp

[Dowly]

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/muhammed.caricatures/freedom.go.to.hell.jpg



I like this pic (I take it's about the "american freedom").

[Happy Times]

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/muhammed.caricatures/freedom.go.to.hell.jpg



I like this pic (I take it's about the "american freedom").
Yes, and ours also, America has more freedom than most European countries, including Finland.

[Tribesman]

Prove it, i call BS.

You clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what you are talking about .
So which British laws about public order and breach of the peace is it that you don't understand ?
Going on what you have written I would say it is a pretty safe bet to say that you understand none of them whatsoever .
Tell you what , when you find the relevant laws in the Criminal justice and public order acts you can go down to section 155 of the latest version and see the law that makes Wilders visit somewhat difficult .

Just like they did it last time.

Wow your ignorance knows no limits .
Where was that protest held ?
Where did lord Ahmed say he was going to have his demonstration ?
What are the differences between the two ?
Which laws apply to one but not the other ?
It really is very simple stuff , but it does seem quite beyond your mental abilities .

Were has Wilders said he wanted to provoke violent reactions?

That was on his interview with BBC newstalk prior to the release of his film .
The Danish cartoons prove, that you really dont need much, to get a violent reaction from the muslims.

Actually they proved that you do need to do lots .
What was the reaction when they were published ?
Pretty much nothing wasn't it , a few letters of protest and couple of idiots doing little demonstrations .
What was the reaction after a lengthy tour to gather opposition includuing a massive propoganda campaign , heaps of false information , a selection of cartoons which had never been published and the use of pictures that had nothing to do with the subject in the slightest ?

But I suppoose the real irony there is the reaction of the cartoonists to Wilders , they don't want their cartoons associated with his piece of crap do they :rotfl:

[Happy Times]

Prove it, i call BS.

You clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what you are talking about .
So which British laws about public order and breach of the peace is it that you don't understand ?
Going on what you have written I would say it is a pretty safe bet to say that you understand none of them whatsoever .
Tell you what , when you find the relevant laws in the Criminal justice and public order acts you can go down to section 155 of the latest version and see the law that makes Wilders visit somewhat difficult .

I checked that your breach of peace BS is regarded as legally superfluous.
I bet i can call Pope a poof freely but calling Muhammed a pedofile and genociding psychopath he was, would probably take me to jail. Starting the laywer talk doesnt increase your credibility btw.:rotfl:

Just like they did it last time.

Wow your ignorance knows no limits .
Where was that protest held ?
Where did lord Ahmed say he was going to have his demonstration ?
What are the differences between the two ?
Which laws apply to one but not the other ?
It really is very simple stuff , but it does seem quite beyond your mental abilities .

Lord Ahmed threatened he would mobilise 10.000 muslims to prevent Wilders from entering the parlament. So they would have had to be there on Wilders arrival. And where did he say he was going to even give a formal notice.
You really should be concerned of your own mental abilities, you border on retarded.


Were has Wilders said he wanted to provoke violent reactions?

That was on his interview with BBC newstalk prior to the release of his film .

First ive heard, ive seen the hard talk interwiew. Could be your BS again.

The Danish cartoons prove, that you really dont need much, to get a violent reaction from the muslims.

Actually they proved that you do need to do lots .
What was the reaction when they were published ?
Pretty much nothing wasn't it , a few letters of protest and couple of idiots doing little demonstrations .
What was the reaction after a lengthy tour to gather opposition includuing a massive propoganda campaign , heaps of false information , a selection of cartoons which had never been published and the use of pictures that had nothing to do with the subject in the slightest ?

I dont think the reaction was acceptable or normal, even if they would have been shown a picture of Muhammed facking a pig in top of the Kaaba.


You should emigrate to Saudi Arabia, retarded laws are the rule there.:yeah:

I have to mostly ingnore you, not trough forum tools but otherwise.
Your stupity makes my blood boil, please dont reprocriate, ever.

[heartc]

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/muhammed.caricatures/freedom.go.to.hell.jpg


I like this pic (I take it's about the "american freedom").
I take it it's more along this line of "reasoning":

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/images_working/Hitler_Muslims/holo.jpg

http://contradicere.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/god_bless_hitler.jpg

But let's blame America, makes us look more manly and original, no?

[Happy Times]

Im happy to see that signatures in the petition on behalf of Wilders are growing at a rate of thousands per day. They are coming all over the world and makes me happy to see so many Finnish people signing it. You cand find it as my sic.:salute:

[Tribesman]

I checked that your breach of peace BS is regarded as legally superfluous.
It is still the law so it is not BS .
Lord Ahmed threatened he would mobilise 10.000 muslims to prevent Wilders from entering the parlament. So they would have had to be there on Wilders arrival. And where did he say he was going to even give a formal notice.
You really should be concerned of your own mental abilities, you border on retarded.

You demonstrate your ignorance again , you cannot gather near parliament without permission , under the new laws a single person can now count as an illegal gathering and be liable to arrest . And needless to say (though maybe it should be said as you really havn't a clue) any attempt by a protest to prevent access even if permission for the protest had been granted would leave them liable to arrest and prosecution for obtruction , in fact such an action would give the police the ability to use the dispersal order once the demonstration had breached its permitted actions ...and of course they coulduse that great old chestnut you call superfluous which is actions likely to cause a breach of the peace .
First ive heard
Well since you find Geert Admirable then you really should listen to the crap he talks more often .
I dont think the reaction was acceptable or normal
Who said it was ?
But it was a reaction that people had to work really hard to make happen wasn't it .
You should emigrate to Saudi Arabia,
Is that the new version of the idiots "why don't you move to Russia" that is used when their arguements fall apart ?
Your stupity makes my blood boil
Says someone who has not only demonstrated their ignorance of the subject but who linked to a real font of stupidity like jihadwatch:rotfl:

[Happy Times]

I checked that your breach of peace BS is regarded as legally superfluous.
It is still the law so it is not BS .

Its legal talk for it is BS.


Lord Ahmed threatened he would mobilise 10.000 muslims to prevent Wilders from entering the parlament. So they would have had to be there on Wilders arrival. And where did he say he was going to even give a formal notice.
You really should be concerned of your own mental abilities, you border on retarded.

You demonstrate your ignorance again , you cannot gather near parliament without permission , under the new laws a single person can now count as an illegal gathering and be liable to arrest . And needless to say (though maybe it should be said as you really havn't a clue) any attempt by a protest to prevent access even if permission for the protest had been granted would leave them liable to arrest and prosecution for obtruction , in fact such an action would give the police the ability to use the dispersal order once the demonstration had breached its permitted actions ...and of course they coulduse that great old chestnut you call superfluous which is actions likely to cause a breach of the peace .

Dont you get it by now, that the illegal riot with arrests and fighting, was what Lord Ahmed threatened with and what British Goverment was scared of.:damn:

First ive heard
Well since you find Geert Admirable then you really should listen to the crap he talks more often .

So can you link me to some source about Wilders wish to provoke violence? Im sure media must have noted that.

I dont think the reaction was acceptable or normal
Who said it was ?
But it was a reaction that people had to work really hard to make happen wasn't it .

Not very hard, fact is they had large scale violance because of cartoons.

You should emigrate to Saudi Arabia,
Is that the new version of the idiots "why don't you move to Russia" that is used when their arguements fall apart ?

Its your arguments that fell apart. I thought that you would fit better in SA with your wiews of freedom of speech.

Your stupity makes my blood boil
Says someone who has not only demonstrated their ignorance of the subject but who linked to a real font of stupidity like jihadwatch:rotfl:

Here i can quote Robert Spencer who runs the site Jihad Watch.

I present the work not on the basis of my credentials, but on the basis of the evidence I bring forth; evaluate it for yourself. One example: after I spoke at the University of North Carolina, Professor Carl Ernst of the university wrote a piece about me warning that my books were non-scholarly and were published by presses that he believed reflected a political agenda of which he did not approve. That kind of approach may impress some people, but Carl Ernst did not and cannot bring forth even a single example of a supposed inaccuracy in my work. I would, of course, be happy to debate Carl Ernst or any other scholar of Islam about Islam and jihad; this is a standing invitation.

[Tribesman]

Its legal talk for it is BS.

The law of the land is the law of the land, the fact that you think it is B/S does not alter the fact does it .

Dont you get it by now, that the illegal riot with arrests and fighting, was what Lord Ahmed threatened with and what British Goverment was scared of.:damn:

What threats ? don't you understand British law at all do you ?
OK fair enough you have demonstrated relativly in bloody BIG LETTERS for everyone to see that when it comes to British law you are completely clueless .

So now Mr Happy times could you perhaps write something on any given subject where you are not such an absolute clueless muppet ?

Not very hard, fact is they had large scale violance because of cartoons.

Did you read what I wrote ? OK going by what has been presented maybe reading and comprehension are far beyond your abilities

[Tribesman]

Now for those that might be slightly confused .
I thoroughly disagree with the recent British public order or criminal justice bills .Be it from the earleist Thatcherite manifestations attempting to dealwith miners/dockers /watchmakers/railwaymen ...or hippies or ravers.
However for simplicity
The law has been put in place ,if you want to object to the law fair enough .
I f you want to object to the law because your particular flavour of bul**** does't meet the threshold then tough excrement unless you can make a case.
So Happy Times , you are really slacking ....would you like to present a case that might stand up to a moments scrutiny ?