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new screenshots wargame "Kharkov1943":
http://www.graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots (http://www.graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots)
about game:
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html (http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html)
models:
http://www.graviteam.com/encyclopedia.html (http://www.graviteam.com/encyclopedia.html)
coming soon demo real
Best regards,Vladimir Zayarniy
CEO Graviteam
(developer Steel Fury)
Skybird
02-06-09, 06:14 AM
Zvlad,
there have been rumours that the distributor of SF, Lighthouse, has gone bancrupt. There are several SF-fans here in this forum. Could you leave a word on the future of SF, regarding patches and the addon "Fall Blau", maybe? :salute:
Zvlad,
there have been rumours that the distributor of SF, Lighthouse, has gone bancrupt. There are several SF-fans here in this forum. Could you leave a word on the future of SF, regarding patches and the addon "Fall Blau", maybe? :salute:
Rightholder of game "Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942" - company Diskus Games.
They conduct dialogue with publishers about the further sales of game "Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942".
Addon "Fall Blau" it is ready in August, 2008.
Also there is a dialogue.
Exit terms of addon "Fall Blau" are unknown to us :(
Rightholder of trade mark "STEEL FURY" - company Graviteam.
The nearest new game in the west - wargame "Kharkov1943" ( Q2 2009).
We will do a new simulator game in Q4 2009 !!!
Much better "Steel Fury: Kharkov1942"
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
Skybird
02-06-09, 08:27 AM
Steel-Furians will like to hear that. Tanks!
Steel-Furians will like to hear that. Tanks!
wallpaper new game "Kharkov1943"
http://graviteam.com/files/kharkov1943/wallpaper/Kh43_small.jpg
http://www.graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=downloads (http://www.graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=downloads)
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
CptSimFreak
02-09-09, 03:58 PM
Since SF42 is not supported, why would I buy another product that is likely to have same fate?
Release more "unoffical" patches to build support from simmers. Until than, all of this will fall on deaf ear.
Zvlad,
there have been rumours that the distributor of SF, Lighthouse, has gone bancrupt. There are several SF-fans here in this forum. Could you leave a word on the future of SF, regarding patches and the addon "Fall Blau", maybe? :salute:
Rightholder of game "Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942" - company Diskus Games.
They conduct dialogue with publishers about the further sales of game "Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942".
Addon "Fall Blau" it is ready in August, 2008.
Also there is a dialogue.
Exit terms of addon "Fall Blau" are unknown to us :(
Rightholder of trade mark "STEEL FURY" - company Graviteam.
The nearest new game in the west - wargame "Kharkov1943" ( Q2 2009).
We will do a new simulator game in Q4 2009 !!!
Much better "Steel Fury: Kharkov1942"
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
Bad news about Fall Blau, but great news about the other titles. The screens for Kharkov 43 look great!
The screens for Kharkov 43 look great!
Thx.
added new screenshots of game Kharkov1943:
http://www.graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
Looking good, its gonna be great to play a RTS thats more focused on realism than say Company of Heroes.
Btw, I guess the brown things on the map are buildings, so the maps look to be fairly large, which is nice. Does anti aliasing work with this title?
Looking good, its gonna be great to play a RTS thats more focused on realism than say Company of Heroes.
Added new FEATURES DEMO wargame "Kharkov1943"
(russian)
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=movies
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
add trailer wargame Kharkov1943
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45603.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45602.html
Best regards
Vladimir Zayarniy
GlobalExplorer
02-21-09, 05:13 PM
Hi zvlad, I have followed Kharkov 43 for quite some time and must say atm this looks most promising! I hope you will find the right mixture between your excellent engine and the tactical sim, hopefully there will be some sort of athmospheric campaign too!
Ohhh, many good games on the horizon now. Need more time!:DL
Ohhh, many good games on the horizon now. Need more time!:DL
new screenshots wargame "Kharkov1943"
- March 2, 2009
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
new screenshots wargame "Kharkov1943"
- March 17, 2009
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
new screenshots April 02, 2009 wargame "Kharkov1943"
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
new screenshots wargame "Kharkov1943"
May 05, 2009
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots&page=2
Sturmtiger
05-16-09, 03:38 AM
An RTT by tanksim devs? Awesome.:DL
new screenshots wargame "Kharkov1943"
June 07, 2009
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
(http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots)
tonschk
06-10-09, 05:27 AM
I realised the "Kharkov1943" game dont have Dynamic Shadows , and the lack of Dynamic Shadows is really disappointing , I am not intrested in a game without Shadows
Skybird
06-10-09, 03:34 PM
I realised the "Kharkov1943" game dont have Dynamic Shadows , and the lack of Dynamic Shadows is really disappointing , I am not intrested in a game without Shadows
Shadows are your criterion whether or not a game or simulation is worth to be played...?
Well, that is your loss.
Be sure then you never get for example Steel Beasts. ;) For you it would ne a nightmare and a complete waste of money. :haha:
SIMHQ - Interview with Graviteam:
http://graviteam.com/news-archive/128.html
http://www.simhq.com/_land3/land_135a.html
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
gimpy117
07-20-09, 07:51 PM
well...I liked t-34 vs tiger...but It killed my F.P.S and my computer is nothing to sneeze at...so unless ti runs well....I dunno...
New screenshots "Front Roads: Kharkov1943":
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
russian demo "Front Roads: Kharkov1943"
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=downloads
link 1
http://www.kharkov1943.com/demo/1943-demo-rus-july-2009.rar
link 2
http://www.graviteam.com/1943-demo/1943-demo-rus-july-2009.rar
link 3
http://www.frontroads.info/1943-demo/1943-demo-rus-july-2009.rar
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/08/02/front-roads-kharkov-1943-demochka/
video HELP russian demo:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=57072
Best Regards
Vladimir Zayarniy
Skybird
08-28-09, 04:37 AM
For the time being, stickied.
Skybird
08-28-09, 04:44 AM
I see on that page with the demo there is an entry on the left side, "Steel Fury: Fall Blau". Clicking on it gives no further info, just an empty page.
What has become of it? Early this year it was given an impression that it was almost ready and close to be released independent from Lighthouse's fall.
I see on that page with the demo there is an entry on the left side, "Steel Fury: Fall Blau". Clicking on it gives no further info, just an empty page.
What has become of it? Early this year it was given an impression that it was almost ready and close to be released independent from Lighthouse's fall.
Fall Blau - the project is finished in August, 2008.
The project edition while is frozen.
start -- 01.06.2008
finish -- 28.08.2008
http://dtf.ru/project/info.php?id=1307
Best Regards
Vladimir Zayarniy
“Front Roads: Kharkov 1943”
(russian name "Ëèíèÿ ôðîíòà:Áèòâà çà Õàðüêîâ")
on sale in Russia since September, 11th, 2009
Publisher in Russia:
«1C» / Snowball Studios
http://www.graviteam.com/1943-demo/kharkov_disc-.jpg
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
tonschk
09-12-09, 05:34 AM
Thank you for the info :yeah:, can you tell me please if this is a PC game and when will be available in Europe ? , thank you
Thank you for the info :yeah:, can you tell me please if this is a PC game and when will be available in Europe ? , thank you
Yes this is a PC game.
Will be available in Europe may be in 2009
New screenshots "Front Roads:Kharkov 1943"
http://graviteam.com/games/kharkov-1943.html?action=screenshots
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
here some pictures and infos on a russian web side
http://rolegame.ru/lba/?p=1185
look good :DL
ArmorEtr
11-20-09, 03:32 AM
So whats the word on a English demo? Or better yet, the full English version of the game?
Bring on the Fight with Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943
New Strategy War Title Set During 1943 Kharkov Defense Operation signals impending start of Paradox Interactive Convention 2010
NEW YORK – January 18, 2010 – Signaling the start of a week laden with announcements, Paradox Interactive is proud to announce - Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943, a new war strategy title that places players in the heart of the Kharkov Defense Operation during World War II. With the ability to play as either German or Russian forces, Achtung Panzer puts the destiny of the USSR and Wehrmacht armies in one's hands.
Featuring a masterful reconstruction of the battlefront setting of Kharkov, players will engage in unique combat that offers the highest level of authenticity. With the incorporation of highly flexible AI, players will have the opportunity to choose new strategies based on opponent behavior with every new round of gameplay. The inclusion of realistic missile trajectories and destructible environments is set to keep all army commanders hanging on the balance of the historic struggle. Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 delivers a thorough recreation of the battle with precisely detailed soldier units, weapons, artillery units and vehicles based on actual military archive materials and WWII chronicles.
Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 Features:
6 scenarios taking place in 1943 during Kharkov Defense Operation
2 playable opposing forces: USSR army and Wehrmacht
Play as up to 250 soldiers and officers and up to 40 vehicles in each tactical battle
Detailed, destructible environments
87 unit types: infantry, artillery, support vehicles, battletanks and aviation units
More than 40 carefully reconstructed weapons and vehicles of WWII armies
2 control modes: turn-based strategic mode and real-time tactic mode
Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 will be available Q1 at major digital retailers.
For more information, please visit the new Achtung Panzer fan page on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#/pages/Achtung-Panzer-Kharkov-1943/251687282516) or the website (http://www.paradoxplaza.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=661&Itemid=).
View the announcement trailer for Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Ka9zYGEzY
So whats the word on a English demo? Or better yet, the full English version of the game?
It will be very fast an English demoversion
And also the full English version of game
"ACHTUNG PANZER: Kharkov 1943"
http://www.graviteam.com/assets/images/cover/AP-Kharkov1943.jpg
http://www.paradoxplaza.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=662&Itemid=129
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
I looked through the information on the web page for this product and was unable to ascertain if one can play online versus another player. Is this a feature?
Wilcke; my recollection of reading about the game on the Graviteam ( creators of the game and SF) is that it's SP only.Graviteam seems keen on SP( their clientele is mostly Russian-speaking areas) although they have promised that their new TankSim (Based on the Last Battle for Kharkov in August 1943 after the failure of Zitadelle) due to be released in late 2010 will incorporate MP.I just can't wait for that SIM because they promised it would be much better than Steel Fury( which is a good SIM).
Wilcke; my recollection of reading about the game on the Graviteam ( creators of the game and SF) is that it's SP only.Graviteam seems keen on SP( their clientele is mostly Russian-speaking areas) although they have promised that their new TankSim (Based on the Last Battle for Kharkov in August 1943 after the failure of Zitadelle) due to be released in late 2010 will incorporate MP.I just can't wait for that SIM because they promised it would be much better than Steel Fury( which is a good SIM).
My brother and I were looking for a good sim for coop head to head or 2 humans vs computer AI. Kind of like Talkes of Valor but realisitic.
Will keep my eye open on the the other SIM. Steel Fury is really great, solid, runs well and the maps are just awesome! If the next release is anything like it we will be in Tank Heaven! Especially for WWII afficionados! The Modern folks have Steel Beasts 2 PE which I have but my heart is always pulled to the WWII era.
Thanks again for the info!
I concur entirely with you Wilcke steel f ury is the yardstick by which all tanksims have to measure themselves.Graviteam will make a new wonderful new sim I am convinced and which I will definitely buy. But let s not forget our friend ZeeWolf who is coming strong with a reborn Tiger versus T 34 which could contend for best tanksim.
Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 Interview with Sergei Klimov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1gLJqLkPOA
Achtung Panzer: Kharkov 1943 Interview with Vladimir Tortsov
http://www.gamereactor.se/grtv/?id=6650&sid=6053cd02928aa456f9f84d3626e4f079
Best Regards
Vladimir Zayarniy
kondor999
02-20-10, 05:40 PM
I was so impressed with the demo that I, for the first time in my life, pre-purchased the game.
This and Theatre of War 2: Kursk both look like classics.
Now, the only question is what I'm more thankful for: Russian Sim developers (or, as I like to call them, Sim Developers - no one else is doing them) or Fedor Emalienko. Or Russian women.
Yes, I think I'm becoming a serious russophile :D. Thanks guys.
Interwarrior
02-22-10, 03:50 AM
Like RTS. THink I give it a try
Awesome demo. I am really liking this thing. Even with out MP I am going to get it!
Compared to the TOW franchise, this one is 'my' cup of tea! TOW, TOW2 has always frustrated me.
Last night, was working on learning the GUI in Kharkov '43, very intuitive and highly detailed. I selected an ATG, attached the camera and was astonished at the 3D detail of the crew and gun commander. I asked them to move the gun 10m to the left and off they went. I then sat the camera behind the ATG and asked the crew to fire at a tree 200m away and they did, until I told them to seize fire. I practiced GUI, maps etc., to get the feel for it while battles were ensuing, after 15 minutes all was well and in control. The pace is realistic for infantry type engagements. There is no hurrying and scurrying about where everything has to be done perfectly on schedule as in some RTS type sims. Or the other inherent problem in many RTS games where in each scenarion you have to comlete an assault on three trench lines and take a village with 4 tanks and 3 squads of infantry in 45 minutes of real time.
Kharkov '43 is so far scoring big points in my book. I still do not have in my collection a PC based wargaming program that comes close to actual table top miniatures with a good set of rules!
Count Sessine
02-25-10, 03:23 PM
I found this review of Kharkov 1943 on www.eurogamer.dk (http://www.eurogamer.dk). It got 8/10! Here's an attached google translation for those of us who don't speak Danish:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurogamer.dk%2Farticles%2Fachtu ng-panzer-kharkov-1943-anmeldelse%3Fpage%3D1&sl=da&tl=en
I found this review of Kharkov 1943 on www.eurogamer.dk (http://www.eurogamer.dk). It got 8/10! Here's an attached google translation for those of us who don't speak Danish:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurogamer.dk%2Farticles%2Fachtu ng-panzer-kharkov-1943-anmeldelse%3Fpage%3D1&sl=da&tl=en
REVIEWS - "Achtung Panzer:Kharkov 1943":
EGC games - Review - February, 2010
Rate: 7,8
http://www.egcgames.com/content.php?id=1884
Eurogamer.dk - Review - February, 2010
Rate: 8
http://www.eurogamer.dk/articles/achtung-panzer-kharkov-1943-anmeldelse
Girlgamersuk - Review - February, 2010
Rate: 7
http://www.girlgamersuk.com/2010/02/achtung-panzer-kharkov-1943-2/
GameOn - Review - February, 2010
Rate: 8,5
http://www.gameon.co.uk/game/review/pc/achtung-panzer-kharkov-1943-pc-review
Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
waoo zvlad, good Rate you game :up:
http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.com/2010/02/achtung-panzer-kharkov-1943-review.html
Very promising review here :)
PS - I was a little wary of the game at first, wanted to wait for the reviews to come in. The reviews of the Russian version of the game, which as I understand came out a bit buggy, made me cautious. However the reviews for the English release are surprising even me - seems like a very good, polished product now. Especially for its price, the game looks like a real winner for SP play. I will buy it now.
This game is quite a gem! Put in about 15 hours of play into it so far and am very satisfied. The AI in particular has me excited since yes, it is absolutely merciless and quite clever. For a single-player-only game that was the biggest question, and in my mind it absolutely delivered on that. Some of the best AI I've seen in a game of this type.
It's not without problems, of course - grenades/molotov cocktails are a real problem for unit AI when there are obstacles in the way. Every time I get an infantry unit trying to ambush a vehicle, most of their grenades end up blowing up on the trees/bushes that the unit is hiding behind, often injuring the soldiers themselves. The AI also seems to be a little iffy with light vehicles, and often rushes them forward even though the gunners are very vulnerable. It's also a bit irritating that when these gunners are killed, the AI will often try to continue operating the vehicle as if it had a gunner, uselessly moving it up to positions where it remains under fire. Very rarely, but occasionally, there are pathfinding problems for heavy vehicles near buildings. I had a couple of T-34s abandoned after they blindly ran into a house and became stuck on the ruins.
But aside from those things, there's really not much negative to say about this game. It's addictive and challenging and I hope and pray that more scenarios/sequels follow it. The engine is very solid right now.
It's hard to call the game pretty - it's as pretty as Ukraine at the start of March in the middle of WWII (read: frozen mud), but there are some really cool effects and physics. Damage modeling and vehicle physics in particular are fantastic. I've seen some rather jaw-dropping stuff happen. Example: an armored car tried to move itself up to a Soviet position. Its gunners were peppered with bullets, and grenades were thrown. One of the guys in the car got blasted out of the car by the grenade, into the air, back down hitting his head the side of the car causing a blood splatter. He fell down, and I thought he was dead... but apparently the grenade also set him on fire. In a couple of seconds he got up, burning, and ran panicking towards the Soviet position where he expired, probably much to the shock of the Soviet soldiers there. The same grenade that killed him also killed the driver, but it seems his foot remained on the gas pedal so the knocked-out vehicle continued travelling forward slowly until it hit a ditch, where it sat for the rest of the mission with the motor running. And as with all knocked-out vehicle, its hulk would be seen in that very spot for any subsequent battles of the operation (great touch, that). THAT is really some detail.
But aside from the cinematics, the damage model post-battle report is also fantastic. You can see all the detail on all vehicle hits and examine exactly what damage they caused. Talk about the other end of the spectrum from stupid health bars!
I also really like the maps. Sure it's too bad there's only two of them in the entire game, but the scale is pretty breathtaking, and it's refreshing to see a perfectly working wargame where scenery objects are not tied up to grid squares. The scenery ends up feeling really realistic and not like an abstraction of the real world like it is in so many games. The only thing I kind of wish for is more variety of buildings.
But yep, all in all, this game is a ton of fun without compromising on realism, it's HARD to beat the AI. Very comparable to Close Combat in some regards, but I personally enjoy this one a bit more due to a number of features here. The map and the way it's used especially is great. The unit/land area ratio in the game is quite low which ends up with really interesting scenarios since you cannot create a "wall of units" anywhere, either on offense or defense, and have to either really pick your positions carefully or be very mobile. With the operation level, you also now have purpose for fighting and hanging in even the most desparate tactical battles since sometimes all you really need to do is just hold the front.
Anyway, really happy with this one. I can't NOT recommend it at $20. Long time since I've had so much fun with a game of this style.
A few screenies for your enjoyment
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Thanks CCIP for the very exciting and enticing review of that game!The pics are also very good. What 's promising and excellent news is that this will be the same game engine that Gtraviteam will use to make their next tank sim based on the last battle for Kharkov in August 1943. I suspect it will be an amazing product and a best seller.
Cheers
I have just bought this game.
Haven't got into it yet,I need to put some serious time aside for it.
For £14.95 it's a bargain!
Hi Chucky!Let me know what your impressions are once you have tried playing it. I am uncertain whether I want to buy it or not.I am not overly keen on RTS but if it is an outstanding one then I might be tempted.CCIP's review is very convincing.
Cheers
I should say that the game is quite a bit easier to play for the Germans, mostly by virtue of the scenarios being very heavily balanced in their favour. The Russians are still quite merciless and really do try, but I think if you have a good understanding of basic offensive tactics, you will not have much trouble crushing them unless you set up a handicap in the scenario settings or put a short time-limit for battles that will prevent you from crushing them too early on. It's probably the first game of this type I've played where the attacking side is substantially easier to play than the defenders. Some credit here of course goes to the fact that it's easy to set up very effective line formations and both the "attack" and "take cover" orders get the unit AI to do nifty things (units ordered to "attack" a position don't do a "human wave", but do a good job of finding their own firing position and moving forward or even back as necessary). The defensive AI's main problem that I found is that it is tragically stubborn. In the early phases of operations, Russians try to entrench themselves on the edges of woods and fields, in relatively open ground. Taking a company of regular infantry with a few AT guns and a couple of T-34s and trying to defend relatively open ground with it against a tank-reinforced Panzergrenadier company has the results you'd expect in reality. Not that it's unrealistic, but after you outright destroy a couple of enemy platoons early in the battle you do end up with near-unstoppable initiative. The Russian AI's other problem that it constantly tries to counter-attack. It has managed to surprise me a couple of times by having its T-34s pop up where I don't expect them, but when they try to pop a counterattack on a well-organized formation of PZIV's, they're really pretty hopeless. One of the really interesting things with armor vs. armor combat in this game, I find, is the effect of scoring hits. Even if a hit on a tank doesn't actually damage it or wound the crew, it will usually cause it to momentarily stop shooting and/or moving. This makes it very difficult for T-34s because German guns may not be great at outright killing them, but they are very good at hitting them. As long as the panzers keep a tight formation, they can deliver a real volume of fire on a T-34 and stun it quickly. Which usually turns into a dead T-34 before it can recover from the hits and shoot back effectively.
On the other hand I can't crack how to really win for the Russians, for the very same reasons: the Germans have a decisive advantage in their units. I played 3 operations for the Russians so far. The two Taranovka scenarios resulted in a minor defeat and a relatively favourable draw for me. The long Sokolovo scenario though... I'm just being crushed in, however I try. The problem is that I'm facing a panzergrenadier company that is chock-full of halftracks, has a couple of tank platoons, and even a StuG embedded with one of its infantry platoons. What I have is a company of regular infantry with six 76mm AT guns and a couple of 45mm guns. The best I've done so far is manage to take down two tanks and a few halftracks with them, even if I force the enemy to fight on the streets of a village, before my whole company is outright destroyed. The Russians' one advantage is in close-quarter infantry combat. They have very good automatic weapons in their infantry units. This game does a great job of modeling the difference between automatic and non-automatic weapons - firefights with mostly riflemen vs. riflemen generally can last a long time and become real stalemates between squads. Throw an MG or an SMG squad in, and things turn extremely deadly, extremely fast. Sadly for the Russians, however, the real source of automatic fire from the germans isn't the infantry but the halftracks and tanks. But how do I fight these tanks?
Anyone have any tips for setting up AT ambushes? :hmmm:
I am happy to read the positivity here, I completely forgot about this game but preordered it now. 14th of may is a long way off though.:cry:
hugostv
05-01-10, 02:40 PM
Throw an MG or an SMG squad in, and things turn extremely deadly, extremely fast. Sadly for the Russians, however, the real source of automatic fire from the germans isn't the infantry but the halftracks and tanks. But how do I fight these tanks?
Anyone have any tips for setting up AT ambushes? :hmmm:
Firstly, CCIP, I wanted to thank you for a really good review. It's very hard to find a person who can truly appreciate realism and write such an in-depth analysis of it. I've bought AP Kharkov 43 a few months ago and kept it almost untouched. The problem is that I love Theatre of War realism, but when I began playing AP I realized how much ToW lacks and how unprepared I was to handle it. But it sits there reminding about the time to step up to a challenge.
The thing I love about AP is it puts you into this grim atmosphere of that time. There's nothing pretty about listening to the howling of wolves and demoralized soviet troops. I think developers did a really good job of making it as realistic and as unbiased as possible. You can definitely understand why soviets couldn't fight effectively, partially because they just couldn't get enough technology to fight against overwhelming swarms of german motorized divisions.
OK. On to your question about AT ambushes. The only good tactic I found in AP was to never attack unless absolutely necessary. During the game, it almost means never.:damn: I thought 3 T34 can stand against a few Marders... Well, I learned my lesson. Even if T34s are superior in some respect, you still get an inexperienced crew who can't place a shot accurately. In ToW you can just use an HE shell to kill the crew. But I wasn't even aware about the level of realism that accounted for the shell shock. Anyway, the only useful tactic I found was to draw tanks close to infantry hidden behind trees. Don't open fire untill they get really close and then use AT grenades to set them on fire. In some cases, the crew will panic and leave the tank without getting damaged. The key is to let them get as close as possible without revealing your position, and that can be nerve-wrecking and sometimes impossible when you get a few scouts whom you must shoot when they get close. In some cases, tank crew will try to destroy you from a distance, but when they get to a point they feel that it doesn't yield results, they will just leave. In the end, you save the key position and hope for reinforcements. Of course, in this game you need patience and understand that it's meant for realism not fun, unless you are masochistic like some of us and get a kick out of hardcore realism.I think this game is a good depiction of how it was like back then.
Sonarman
05-08-10, 05:10 AM
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HEMISENT
08-24-10, 06:19 PM
Thanks to the great review from CCIP I became interested and checked into the game further. I just now ordered it from Amazon. One thing though, I can't seem to find any forums dedicated to the game such as we have here at Subsim. Are there any mods, tips, patches out there?
Anyway, looking forward to getting this one in the mail in a few days.
Cheers!
I've not seen any mods yet. One downside of the game is that while in principle the developer seems to support the idea of mods , right now the game ships with very little technical support or tools for modding. I suspect any sort of modding scene for it won't take off until the inevitable sequels to this game.
There is at least one patch out which I highly suggest getting because it fixes a couple of my last big gripes with the game (including making grenades not blow up on touching tree branches). Search around as there are a couple of versions of it, depending on where/how you bought the game. I believe the game is partly supported via Paradox, so check the paradoxplaza forums. That's where I found my patch.
I think if you bought the game recently though, it might already be patched to latest version.
Have you guys checked the tanksim.org.ru webs.I personally don't play that game but every time I go to that website to seek new mods or patches for other games I see a lot a patchesRussian and English for Achtung Panzer(Kharkov 1943 Front Roads) including one called total realism mod.
Check it out!
Cheers
Frinik:salute:
I think you mean this one:
http://tanksim.org.ru/wfdownloads-singlefile.lid-124.htm
Interesting! The changelog doesn't look very massive, but I do like the note that they've slightly reduced german armor reserves in campaign. I guess I wasn't the only one who thought it was a little overwhelming!
HEMISENT
08-27-10, 08:24 AM
I checked out that site last night. I got on it and was able to dl the game manual then after the dl I got a message: "X10 account suspended"
Just tried again and same message comes up. Anyone know what this means? BTW, the manual is very interesting and looks to give me a bit of insight until the game arrives-should be Sept 1.
Darkseed
08-28-10, 04:06 AM
It probably means they didn't pay their hosting fees in time. Is that the only site there is for APK mods?
HEMISENT
08-28-10, 08:28 AM
Is that the only site there is for APK mods?
I've been checking out the Paradox forums for APK and they refer back to the same site. There's only one mod that I found listed separately called a Total Realism Mod, I dl"d that and saved it. Doesn't appear to be a whole lot of modding activity for this game. Seems that we/I have
gotten spoiled with the modability of the Silent Hunter series (huge thanks to the devs on this) and the large and talented group of people ready to jump in right from the start.
HEMISENT
09-06-10, 05:08 PM
Guys, I got the game from Amazon about a week ago and after countless hours of screwing around I'm finally getting a small hint of what this game is all about....WOW! Some of the most intense game play since SH3 with GWX. And that's with me not knowing how to do hardly anything.
I have a few questions that I cannot find help for on the Paradox forums.
1. I am learning the basics using the quick battle/mission editor function. I get how to set up a battle and get it going but after that particular battle is played how do you delete it. After playing the test mission a couple times and finally winning I want to move on to a new one and get rid of what I just played.
2. I have the "tutorial" function enabled and for some reason the annoying white messages were not activated through most of my recent battle, however I was playing with the interface and must have hit something to bring them back up at the very end of the game. How do I get rid of them/ disable them if they get in the way.
I have a ton of questions but these two are the most recent.
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