Sea Shepherd Tactics Utterly Failing.

[Zachstar]

Obviously low on cash and fuel in my view. This org has taken to constant PR bull in desperation.

Throwing stuff at the whalers = Legal to them

but the moment the sailors use sound to defend themselves? They are suddenly unlawful thugs.

On DU saying such would get you denounced as a defender of whale killers supposedly. Now more and more are just thinking how plain nuts these people are.

They are losing support fast. The whalers do not need to get a full load of whales this year. They can get it after they scare away any kind of scrutiny by saying "Are you another Sea Shepherd?"

In my view this hostile organization has done more to help the cause of pro-whaling nations than any PR campaign could have ever done.

Sea Shepherd you have LOST.

And frankly they are sounding more and more suspicious every day.

"Seeing the long prolonged agonizing murder of that defenceless whale has made me angry," said Captain Paul Watson. "Very angry. We are going to make a stand here today to shut this obscenity down. It will be dangerous but we did not come down here to witness the slaughter of whales, we came down to stop the killing. We have a very big disadvantage," continued Watson. "Japan will defend the violence of their mad dog killers. Our governments don't have the guts and will condemn us for defending ourselves and the whales. Sometimes you just have to say, what the hell and make a stand and that is what we intend to do here today. We intend to make a stand."


That does not sound pleasant.

[Tchocky]

but the moment the sailors use sound to defend themselves? They are suddenly unlawful thugs.

The whalers used an LRAD on a flying helicopter. I think both sides have lost.

[Aramike]

This is the kind of crap that happens when you approach a cause on a personal level rather than an intellectual one. Sure, whaling can be brutal ... but so is nature. As long as the populations themselves are being preserved, I have no problem with it.

[Zachstar]

but the moment the sailors use sound to defend themselves? They are suddenly unlawful thugs.
The whalers used an LRAD on a flying helicopter. I think both sides have lost.

So? BTW I HIGHLY doubt it was at the level they claim it as. They obviously wanted to make it seem that this supposedly highly skilled pilot would lose control and crash because of the so called horrid irresponsibility of the whalers.

The whalers are winning. They are running sea shepherd out of money. But they are taking no chances after Sea Shepherd attempted in my view to board and open the locks.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Here's a BBC report on youtube that I stumbled across

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7x5_sVpUU&feature=dir

[Zachstar]

The whalers ran the blockade. And of course Sea Shepherd lets its ship get collided in the process.

This is the best they can do. They cant even run a blockade much less stop the activities of the hunters.

The whalers seem content to keep blasting them with sound and run them out of reserve fuel. Very cool and calm considering they have a ship flying a pirate flag harassing them.

[Kapt Z]

I understand their passion, but I do question their methods.

Putting their hysterics aside, they are right. It does boggle the mind that there is still organized whaling permitted in this day and age.

[SteamWake]

I understand their passion, but I do question their methods.

Putting their hysterics aside, they are right. It does boggle the mind that there is still organized whaling permitted in this day and age.

Would disorganized whaling be preferable? :03:

[Kapt Z]

I understand their passion, but I do question their methods.

Putting their hysterics aside, they are right. It does boggle the mind that there is still organized whaling permitted in this day and age.

Would disorganized whaling be preferable? :03:

No, no whaling would be preferable...:up:

But, I understand some small communities of eskimos and other indigenous peoples are permitted to hunt whales as part of their cultural heritage. I accept that knowing that the numbers of whales taken by those groups are small. That is quite different from modern large harvesting vessels supported by some nations. There is no excuse for that.

[FIREWALL]

Besides keeping themselves in jobs.

What commercial product does harvesting whales provide Worldwide ?

Is this their answer to the energy crisis.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Besides keeping themselves in jobs.

What commercial product does harvesting whales provide Worldwide ?

Is this their answer to the energy crisis.

Yes, because this industry is kept alive by not being profitable, and we should all consider the worldwide benefit of our industries before engaging in business. What are you, a communist?

There's already an international limit on Japanese whaling, what more do you want? An unharvested whale generates exactly zero jobs and zero revenue. It leaves precisely zero families fed. It also contributes exactly nothing to the development of an economy that does not include whaling.

[Falkirion]

There's only a select few countries that ignore the outright whaling ban these days and I think it only totals 3 or 4.

Sea Shepard's lost its just these Environmentalist extremists don't know it.

[Neptunus Rex]

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.

[SandyCaesar]

I'm more in favor of organized whaling, as long as it's not overdone. If the populations can be maintained, then I have no issue.

[rubenandthejets]

Zero income from unharvested whales?

Whale watching is a multi million dollar industry in Australia and New Zealand.

Whale meat sits unsold in shops all over Japan. The only reason it's still happening here is because its a vote buying rort.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Zero income from unharvested whales?

Whale watching is a multi million dollar industry in Australia and New Zealand.

Whale meat sits unsold in shops all over Japan. The only reason it's still happening here is because its a vote buying rort.

Fair enough. I did not take into account the use of whales as part of the tourist industry.I cede that point.
Nonetheless I think it is fair to say that the percentage of people who take tours into the antarctic oceans solely for the purpose of whale watching is negligible and that harvesting whales in this area does provide income for Japanese families.

edit- darn it. I meant to provide some figures relating to the annual income of the Japanese whaling industry and I forgot. Please wait until I can dig them up, I know I've got the book somewhere. Otherwise, just disregard this post.

[Zachstar]

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.

Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.

[Zachstar]

Zero income from unharvested whales?

Whale watching is a multi million dollar industry in Australia and New Zealand.

Whale meat sits unsold in shops all over Japan. The only reason it's still happening here is because its a vote buying rort.

This is the root cause of the issue. The people will not give in to Sea Shepherd. The only reasons the whalers get to hunt is because of nationalism. And Sea Shepherd tactics make that more prevalent.

[Zachstar]

And here we go video showing that it was the whalers who were rammed not Sea Shepherd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGmR99-D0k

Edit: On DU is now down to a few nutjobs defending SS. The video clearly shows that the whalers were rammed and you ought to see the excuses flying for it.

[Thomen]

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.
Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.
Maybe the British still have some old Mark '8' torpedoes. Used them to sink the Belgrano. That should be sufficient enough. And they ought to be cheap, too.

EDIT:
Or do what the French did with the 'Rainbow Warrior'.. well need to work on the 'not getting caught' part, though. :03:

[Zachstar]

Funny thing is one of their own clips shows the same thing with MORE clarity!

They can't even run a PR campaign anymore. They are likely running with fumes for reserve fuel and are unable to chase the harpoon vessels (where they would get far more effective material in images of whales being killed)

Its over. Eventually they will limp back to their hellhole and await charges of piracy to finally come. (Which is why they are desperate for money likely)

[Zachstar]

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.
Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.
Maybe the British still have some old Mark '8' torpedoes. Used them to sink the Belgrano. That should be sufficient enough. And they ought to be cheap, too.

EDIT:
Or do what the French did with the 'Rainbow Warrior'.. well need to work on the 'not getting caught' part, though. :03:

You dont want to use a torpedo is such close proximity period. If they have to they may be able to set a harpoon just right to lock onto the "Steve Irwin" but that too is too risky.

The crew dreams of dying for their cause. Do not think for a second that he would not maneuver his boat so that a hit would badly damage or decimate the factory ship. (Oh and yes he is obviously listening for a TIW)

They dont need to be sunk just yet tho. It is HIGHLY unlikely they will have the funds to go out next year. It is now an embarrassment to be known to associate with Sea Shepherd.

[Thomen]

The whale hunting is not the issue, but this policy of "the end justifies the means". What the "preservationists" are doing is piracy. I'd like to put a MK-48 into 'em.
Mk-48s are EXTREMELY expensive. You dont use them lightly.

Once they get fed up the defense forces will more than likely use a Harpoon.

Tho with them sitting so close to the factory ship. They may even decide to use cannon instead.

And yes I agree they are pirates. They fly the pirate flag and have attempted to board and sink one of the whaling ships.
Maybe the British still have some old Mark '8' torpedoes. Used them to sink the Belgrano. That should be sufficient enough. And they ought to be cheap, too.

EDIT:
Or do what the French did with the 'Rainbow Warrior'.. well need to work on the 'not getting caught' part, though. :03:
You dont want to use a torpedo is such close proximity period. If they have to they may be able to set a harpoon just right to lock onto the "Steve Irwin" but that too is too risky.

The crew dreams of dying for their cause. Do not think for a second that he would not maneuver his boat so that a hit would badly damage or decimate the factory ship. (Oh and yes he is obviously listening for a TIW)

They dont need to be sunk just yet tho. It is HIGHLY unlikely they will have the funds to go out next year. It is now an embarrassment to be known to associate with Sea Shepherd.
Proximity to what? They have to get where they go some how. If they stay in a harbor, blow a hole in the hull there and let them sink. This way, even the crew might survive.

I am surprised that they made it that long anyways, without getting arrested, charged, jailed or sunk.

[Zachstar]

Why? Arrest the crew with a helo assault in transit and seize the ship. They will moan and complain but it is far easier and much less loss of life compared to a torpedo strike.

[Thomen]

Why? Arrest the crew with a helo assault in transit and seize the ship. They will moan and complain but it is far easier and much less loss of life compared to a torpedo strike.
If you do that, you have again the issue of making them martyrs, they are just not dead.. but go to jail and are tried by an (to them} unfriendly country. But on the other hand, who's jurisdiction would it be if they get snagged on high seas? Japanese? American? UN?

[Zachstar]

The courts in Japan of course. The UN will never defend the actions of them no matter how hard they claim otherwise.

They may even win the case. But it will drain so much money and support and will mean they have to tell how the magic bullet story was utter bull****.

[SandyCaesar]

Best weapon to use against them: how their pirate tactics are harming the environmentalist cause. From what I know, many of the green groups have disowned this group for their illegal actions.

Failing that, the old Mk8 standby sounds particularly attractive...:hmmm:

[A Very Super Market]

We can only ignore them. Any action against them will just be labelled as "brutality" or something stupid.

[rubenandthejets]

Most whale watching is done close to the NZ and Australin coasts.

Whales are migratory-they swim north in the Antarctic winter and have their babies in the waters around 35-25 degrees S. The whale watching boats (ironically following the same routes as the old shore based longboat whalers) stay within sight of land.

While your checking the details of the money generated by te whalng industry here, please remember to deduct the massive subsidies that the Japanese goverment pays to tiny natios on the IWC to bribe them into tacit support of their continued "scientific" whaling program.

Any way you want to do the math, it will always come out in the red.

[FIREWALL]

The Whales will be extinct some day and I can only hope the posters that thought them a joke will join them.:yep:

In this time they are not a renewable resourse and are not on anybodys list as one.

Wake up, there not on any Goverments or Big Moneys list
for future survival.

And thats BS that there a food sourse for a countries survival.

[Etienne]

We can only ignore them. Any action against them will just be labelled as "brutality" or something stupid.

Indeed. One of their vessels collided with a Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker a few years back during the seal hunt; they've been whining ever since that the coast guard rammed them on purpose, and that the continued detention of their boat is a... I don't know, but it's EVIL.

I really, really don't know all the dirty detail, but from a video I've seen, the coast guard just tried to get between them and a fishing vessel. The Sea Shepperd boat didn't turn quick enough.

A friend actually sent me the application page to work on one of their boats... (As a joke, since it doesn't actually pay.) It was the least professional recruitment page I've ever seen. "No whiners!", I quote.

[Enigma]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=146545&highlight=whale+wars

Just sayin'.:shucks:

[Neptunus Rex]

Most whale watching is done close to the NZ and Australin coasts.

Whales are migratory-they swim north in the Antarctic winter and have their babies in the waters around 35-25 degrees S. The whale watching boats (ironically following the same routes as the old shore based longboat whalers) stay within sight of land.

While your checking the details of the money generated by te whalng industry here, please remember to deduct the massive subsidies that the Japanese goverment pays to tiny natios on the IWC to bribe them into tacit support of their continued "scientific" whaling program.

Any way you want to do the math, it will always come out in the red.

Now there's a idea. Go after the whale watching industry! Think about it, whales migrate. Moving in proximity to one or a "pod' of them could be deemed to be interfering with a migrating species. I believe that's a violation of the Migratory Species Act. Use the law against the very people who lobbied for it!!!:arrgh!:

[Zachstar]

Support for Sea Shepherd is falling apart. The AP video showing the ship ramming the whaler has completely destroyed their credibility. Even the ones who believe in their cause admit Watson is in the wrong now.

Also this is evidence enough that the "Magic Bullet" Was nothing but made for TV bull****. Many had doubted it before hand but the evidence of how they will twist even a CLEAR AS DAY video into something it is not. It just ruined everything for them.

I thought it strange that the whalers came back and got into formation. My guess is they are letting the video destroy Sea Shepherd this year.

[Neptunus Rex]

The Capt of the Irwins' masters certificate should be revoked.:yeah:

[JetSnake]

The title of this show starring the Sea Sheppard should be renamed "Ship of Fools". Watching hippies troll the high seas attempting to right the injustice to the whales is always good for a few laughs.