Race for the Arctic - hot war in no longer frozen hell?

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-604338,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-579265,00.html

The future looks exciting. Natural ressources are a prime argument why to expect wars in the future. Different to my usual, more relaxed stand regarding Russia, here I would agree that one needs to keep them under tight surveillance - not as if western powers wouldn't also aggressively push into the Arctic, but still...

[UnderseaLcpl]

The future looks exciting. Natural resources are a prime argument why to expect wars in the future.

As opposed to limited resources not being a factor in the wars of the past?

[Skybird]

The future looks exciting. Natural resources are a prime argument why to expect wars in the future.

As opposed to limited resources not being a factor in the wars of the past?
Don't many people think we live in an age of peace and big wars between the major powers have become unimaginable? western-Eastern-Chinese wars over borderlines and ideologies - are unlikely,sure. Wars between these powers over gasfields and sweet water reservoirs and oil - that is something different.

Such wars in the future are not a given. But they are a reasonable possibility of how the future could turn out. Hot proxy wars about these and other ressources, all three of them, already are being fought, in Africa (ores), South America (genetic and pharmaceutical ressources, oil, ores) and the Middle East (sweet water, oil).

[A Very Super Market]

All the better reason to stop our rampant population growth.

[August]

All the better reason to stop our rampant population growth.

It seems that every argument comes back to overpopulation.

[Hitman]

Of course. Overpopulation is behind most of our problems, for example that race to the Arctic resources. Would we need them if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth? Obviously not.

Many of the current thrid world countries wouldn't see poverty and hunger at all if their population had a reasonable size. But they don't, and there do many problems begin.

[Skybird]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?

Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves.

"be fruitful and multiply" - if so many absurd things today can be charged as hate speech, I wonder why this crime against humanity (that's what that statement in my view is, and nothing else, for all the suffering and dying and misery that comes directly from it and means doom for hundreds of millions) does not get rated as hate speech, too. Control of population size is key to all and everything else. Without it, you can forget all idealism and plans and aid projects and technological progress, it'S not a question of "if" crisis from uncontrolled birth rates occur, but only "when".

[XabbaRus]

But even if the Russians do have the geological evidence to justify under law the expansion of their sea border it will be refuted and denied for political reasons.

[Skybird]

Let's wait for the geological evidence they can produce. What they have come up with so far has not found the wide acceptance of the international (non-politcal) academic community. So far, between claim and evidence there still is a huge gap, and a "war of data".

[FIREWALL]

Overpopulation might be cured when poor people find something cheaper than Sex to amuse themselves with.

[XabbaRus]

Overpopulation might be cured when poor people find something cheaper than Sex to amuse themselves with.

Which is an argument in favour of marriage...:rotfl:

[August]

"be fruitful and multiply" - if so many absurd things today can be charged as hate speech, I wonder why this crime against humanity (that's what that statement in my view is, and nothing else, for all the suffering and dying and misery that comes directly from it and means doom for hundreds of millions) does not get rated as hate speech, too.
Maybe because when it was written we didn't have the overpopulation problems we have today? Indeed had people NOT been fruitful and multiplied back then perhaps neither of us would be around for you to put me on your ignore list...

But hey, never miss a chance to slam other peoples beliefs right Skybird? :yeah:

[Digital_Trucker]

Good point, August. Too bad SB won't know what that point was.:) I wondered, too, if Skybird would be willing to give up his place on Earth for the good of the planet? :hmmm:

Only 100 million people scattered over the Earth? I'm guessing it would be fairly primitive since there wouldn't be enough people to keep the current infrastructure functional for long.

[August]

Good point, August. Too bad SB won't know what that point was.:) I wondered, too, if Skybird would be willing to give up his place on Earth for the good of the planet? :hmmm:

Only 100 million people scattered over the Earth? I'm guessing it would be fairly primitive since there wouldn't be enough people to keep the current infrastructure functional for long.

Yeah i'm thinking 100 million is pretty small. Maybe 2.5 - 3 billion would be a more realistic number that would allow us to continue living in the 21st century.

[Aramike]

"be fruitful and multiply" - if so many absurd things today can be charged as hate speech, I wonder why this crime against humanity (that's what that statement in my view is, and nothing else, for all the suffering and dying and misery that comes directly from it and means doom for hundreds of millions) does not get rated as hate speech, too.
Maybe because when it was written we didn't have the overpopulation problems we have today? Indeed had people NOT been fruitful and multiplied back then perhaps neither of us would be around for you to put me on your ignore list...

But hey, never miss a chance to slam other peoples beliefs right Skybird? :yeah:Sounds awefully repressive, Skybird. And is certainly against our nature.

I find it funny that the same lefties who cry about overpopulation are the ones railing the loudest against measures that would help control the population (war, famine, disease, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that your ideas of repressing speech and population controls would be human rights abuses, as well, Skybird.

[Skybird]

"Be fruitful and multiply" is a motto that is held up by the vatican until today - the denial of contraceptives as well. The church's arguments defending that claim to be oh so high riding on the moral horse, in fact are cynical, inhumane, and man-hating, and put the claim of the church to lead and define morals abiut humanity, human kindness, and accept millions to fall into suffering and miserbale detah every month and every year. That is a church of death, and what it has made of Christ'S teachings are a message of fear, terror and death as well. shame on everybody who demands my respect for this, and that I should tolerate people liking this cult of thanatos, it is so very very much too much demanded from any sensible, reasonable, thinking mind.

Finally, many people in Africa for example do not "f#ck for fun", as Firewall has implied, but for power as defined in their patriarchalic tribe structures, and even more: they try to raise as many children as possible, because they know so many will die, but they depend on having sufficient children who will take care of their parents once they are old and weak. It's a vicious circle, and here we come to the hypocrisy of the West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", and completely ignoring that the West helps so very much in violence and coups and corruption in Africa to see the Wests economic advantages being taken care of, as some days ago described in another thread, too. I still deny that colonialism is the only cause of the evil in Africa, but I say it had aspects of imporvement, and worstening existing conditons, and it lives on until today, in a changed form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies accept to secure their power by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it happen, let it getting done by proxies they support, and do not stop it even if they could. Both tyrannies and democracies are wading in a sea of blood. The tyrannt at least is easy to be recognised. But western democracies lie and betray about their true nature and ambitions, like a wolf in sheep'S clothing. The US does so, and the EU as well. the agricultural policies they enforce both on Africa and South America, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save me your pseudo-religious hypocrisy and dishonest calls for tolerance, therefor, where in reality you just want to dominate yourself and silence opposition to your ambitions. Maybe you can deceive some people out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not me. I have seen through you hypocrisy and lies. And I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison again - no matter how much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Spit out the blood in your mouths first, wash it off your hands, and then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself give religion it's bad name, you pharisees. :03:

Now, the objects were two essays about the race for the Arctic ressources, and the possibilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, and the assessement of Russian ambitions regarding this issue. Just a reminder for the few slow minds amongst us whose minds always get overruled by their reflexes to start balking when they read my name.

[Skybird]

Sounds awefully repressive, Skybird. And is certainly against our nature.

I find it funny that the same lefties who cry about overpopulation are the ones railing the loudest against measures that would help control the population (war, famine, disease, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that your ideas of repressing speech and population controls would be human rights abuses, as well, Skybird.How sick are you in your heart and how troubled and unscrupelous is your mind that you consider war and desease acceptable measures of population control? Of what kind is the pain your soul is suffering of, what evil has been done to you that you are so eager to promote darkness? How inpertinent are you, and others, to imply that I have said anywhere that my remark on that I would like to see a planet with a very small human population - must be reached by tools like this? Or can be reached? I was talking about a romantic daydream, not more. Is your argument against the promotion of using contraceptives in the third world so weak and so thin, that you must hide it in the dress of demonising others who call for that measure? Can you express your own idea only by trying to hurt me? Is that all you can show up with?

Wqar and epidemics do have a population-decreasing effect. But that is a sober mathemtical statement only. It is not and should not be part of any "argument", plan or estimation on what tools are morally acceptable to redcue population, and what not.

Some very poor and very devious behavior has been displayed by some of the latest posters here. And no surprise to me that once again, it is the the same bunch of supects. even those who know that I have started to evade them by ignoring them - they cannot help themselves, they must try to provoke nevertheless and try to get that stab at my back from behind and all for free. They are really like groopies scratching at my sleeping room's door to get in. they just can't give it up.

How noble, how honest it all is.

How smart. :lol:

Neal, never ask me again to respect religious views like these poisenous hypocrisy to be seen here as long as you allow behavior like this taking place in your forums - that is double standards in my book. I may accept deals, and in fact have suggested them - but I do not accept to get ripped of.

And now let's get this locked, before it gets out of hand completely. Just my suggestion, of course.

[Thomen]

Sounds awefully repressive, Skybird. And is certainly against our nature.

I find it funny that the same lefties who cry about overpopulation are the ones railing the loudest against measures that would help control the population (war, famine, disease, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that your ideas of repressing speech and population controls would be human rights abuses, as well, Skybird.How sick are you in your heart and how troubled and unscrupelous is your mind that you consider war and desease acceptable measures of population control? Of what kind is the pain your soul is suffering of, what evil has been done to you that you are so eager to promote darkness? How inpertinent are you, and others, to imply that I have said anywhere that my remark on that I would like to see a planet with a very small human population - must be reached by tools like this? Or can be reached? I was talking about a romantic daydream, not more. Is your argument against the promotion of using contraceptives in the third world so weak and so thin, that you must hide it in the dress of demonising others who call for that measure? Can you express your own idea only by trying to hurt me? Is that all you can show up with?

Wqar and epidemics do have a population-decreasing effect. But that is a sober mathemtical statement only. It is not and should not be part of any "argument", plan or estimation on what tools are morally acceptable to redcue population, and what not.

Some very poor and very devious behavior has been displayed by some of the latest posters here. And no surprise to me that once again, it is the the same bunch of supects. even those who know that I have started to evade them by ignoring them - they cannot help themselves, they must try to provoke nevertheless and try to get that stab at my back from behind and all for free. They are really like groopies scratching at my sleeping room's door to get in. they just can't give it up.

How noble, how honest it all is.

How smart. :lol:

Neal, never ask me again to respect religious views like these poisenous hypocrisy to be seen here as long as you allow behavior like this taking place in your forums - that is double standards in my book. I may accept deals, and in fact have suggested them - but I do not accept to get ripped of.

And now let's get this locked, before it gets out of hand completely. Just my suggestion, of course.
1.) You need to come off your high horse.. you have proven more than once that you are pretty clueless.

2.) You need grow a thicker skin.

3.) You need to brush up on your English.. "be fruitful and multiply" does not really imply a religious background nor a defense of religion. It is a concept that is as old as nature is.

4.) You shot yourself pretty much in your own foot with ...

Just a reminder for the few slow minds amongst us whose minds always get overruled by their reflexes to start balking when they read my name.
and took whatever credibility was left in your posts.

Less fluff, more substance might do the trick if you want to be taken seriously and not just look like a pompous ass.

Just my suggestion of course . ;)

[Onkel Neal]

Neal, never ask me again to respect religious views like these poisenous hypocrisy to be seen here as long as you allow behavior like this taking place in your forums - that is double standards in my book.


I only ask people to cooperate and take it easy in order to avoid banning them.

It appears you introduced the religous theme in this thread... :03:

"be fruitful and multiply" - if so many absurd things today can be charged as hate speech

And before you blast me with a reply, I agree that the time is over for being fruitful and all, but let's oppose that concept without nuking the vatican. Steady pressure will work in the end.

[Aramike]

How sick are you in your heart and how troubled and unscrupelous is your mind that you consider war and desease acceptable measures of population control? Nice assumption. I don't recall using the term "acceptable" or even implying as much. I was simply pointing out a FACT, like it or not (judging by your 1000-word response, I'm going with "not").Of what kind is the pain your soul is suffering of, what evil has been done to you that you are so eager to promote darkness? How inpertinent are you, and others, to imply that I have said anywhere that my remark on that I would like to see a planet with a very small human population - must be reached by tools like this? Wow, you really stepped off the deep end, friend...

I'd suggest leaving the rhetorical grandstanding at the door and sticking to the specifics.I was talking about a romantic daydream, not more. Right. Equivocating the advocation of raising a family as "hate speech" is an odd "romantic daydream"...Is your argument against the promotion of using contraceptives in the third world so weak and so thin, that you must hide it in the dress of demonising others who call for that measure?Actually, I 100% agree with the use of contraceptives in the third world. I don't recall stating otherwise.

Please refrain from assumptions.Wqar and epidemics do have a population-decreasing effect. But that is a sober mathemtical statement only. It is not and should not be part of any "argument", plan or estimation on what tools are morally acceptable to redcue population, and what not.Again, I don't advocate war, disease, or any other calamity as a population-controlling "plan". Instead, I was attempting to illustrate that I don't believe any "plan" is possible. Basic human rights will be violated in any situation (if not the right to eat, the right to reproduce).

But see, the funny thing is, no plan is really necessary. The problem is indeed self-resolving. When the Earth can no longer sustain the amount of human life present, it will, well, stop sustaining.

It's a cruel reality but it IS reality. Nature is cruel - don't hate me for pointing out that obvious fact.Some very poor and very devious behavior has been displayed by some of the latest posters here. And no surprise to me that once again, it is the the same bunch of supects. even those who know that I have started to evade them by ignoring them - they cannot help themselves, they must try to provoke nevertheless and try to get that stab at my back from behind and all for free. They are really like groopies scratching at my sleeping room's door to get in. they just can't give it up.You're kidding, right? Please tell me this is nothing more than a drunken rant.

This self-indulgent, "I'm a target" crap is a tad beneath you, isn't it?Neal, never ask me again to respect religious views like these poisenous hypocrisy to be seen here as long as you allow behavior like this taking place in your forums - that is double standards in my book. I may accept deals, and in fact have suggested them - but I do not accept to get ripped of.Respect is something you seem to be in short supply of.

Dude, get it through your skull and into your grey mush - no one here really gives a damn if you respect any views, religious or otherwise. Everyone knows where you stand, and it's not changing anyone else's positions. Sometimes you have well thought-out arguments ... sometimes not. Either way, those of us interested in the concept of the discussion will simply say our piece in response to yours.

This is a "Discussion Forum".And now let's get this locked, before it gets out of hand completely. Just my suggestion, of course.That would be consistant with your typical ultra-leftist leanings, of course. Make sure you can make your argument and do your damnest to prevent any rebuttal, right?

I find it ironic how lefties only cherish freedom of expression when it comes to their own ideas. Skybird's wet dream is for discussion advocating the procreation of the human race to be considered "hate speech", all the while he is free to speak overtly hatefully regarding the religions of the world. Oddly hypocritical...

Skybird, let me explain something to you that should be pretty easy to understand: there is NO HATE in discussing birthing children and raising them to be productive. There is IMMENSE HATE in your typical views on religion.

If there is hate speech here, friend, it's coming from you.

[antikristuseke]

"be fruitful and multiply" - if so many absurd things today can be charged as hate speech, I wonder why this crime against humanity (that's what that statement in my view is, and nothing else, for all the suffering and dying and misery that comes directly from it and means doom for hundreds of millions) does not get rated as hate speech, too.
Maybe because when it was written we didn't have the overpopulation problems we have today? Indeed had people NOT been fruitful and multiplied back then perhaps neither of us would be around for you to put me on your ignore list...

But hey, never miss a chance to slam other peoples beliefs right Skybird? :yeah:

I feel strange, it is not often that I agree with August on religious grounds. Anyway, bee fruitful and multiply was a good plan back in those days in the opast, but today, not so much.

[Skybird]

"Be fruitful and multiply" is the credo that is spread by the church since centuries, and is held up until today. Due to the unimaginable suffering it causes in the third world, and the disruptive effect on efforts to stem sexually transported diseases like AIDS (or syphilis in earlier times), all accpeted under the preface of a churchian life-and-joy-opposing moral that put the focus on hellfire and keeping people in fear, this is to be condemnded, no matter what religion or belief stands behind it. It is wrong and inhumane in a Christian context, it remains to be wrong and inhumane in a Judaic or Islamic context, and it would be wrong if it would be proposed in an Buddhist or Atheist context. but no other instotution is as guilty in this context, as the Vatican. That is no bashing of something - that is a simple historic truth, and still valid even for the present.

[Onkel Neal]

True, but the Roman Catholic church is not the sole agent of overpopulation. People in non-Catholic cultures like to get busy and have lots of kids too. I've done some pretty exhaustive sampling and few if any of the Catholic women I have known take the "no contraceptive" edict seriously. The people in less educated societies may follow the Vatican's rules, but again, I'm pretty sure they would be popping out babies with or without the Pope's approval. The way to offset the obsolete concept of multiplying is education.

[Skybird]

True, but the Roman Catholic church is not the sole agent of overpopulation. People in non-Catholic cultures like to get busy and have lots of kids too.
True, and I referenced to that in one of the posts above. But still, the Vatican propagated it over continents, and centuries, and still does. His voice is the loudest in the chorus. He also accepts to rise political conflicts internationally about it of which a local tribe here or there has not even knoweldge that they exist - the scale of interests is totally different. The local culture could be educated and that way be helped. The Vatican'S policy exactly tries to torpedoe that and wants blunt enforcement of it's own morals, and demands others to take them over as "the cure" to overpopulation. It is pure supremacism, accepting to doom people by the hundreds of millions as a punishement for them not complying with the church's moral inhibitent, anti-sexual teachings. Supremacism, mixed with prudery.

[August]

...there is NO HATE in discussing birthing children and raising them to be productive. There is IMMENSE HATE in your typical views on religion.

If there is hate speech here, friend, it's coming from you.

Well said Mike.

[OneToughHerring]

A bit OT but the title of the thread reminds me of this Finnish movie.

http://i.a.ua/kino/covers/7379/cover.jpg

"They held back the Russian Juggernaut in a frozen Hell!" :)

[Hitman]

The Vatican propalated this doctrine officially (Unofficially it has been there for ever) mainly after the conflict with the protestants, when the church found itself sudenly divided in two and hence only half as powerful.

The true origin of it comes however from the jews (Not surprisingly, they put it in the old testament), the nation that has first used population increase as a means of power: More soldiers, more people to survive, more of their religion. The tactic was a typichal one of a hijacked nation, the way to cause enough trouble to their egyptian captors to ensure they would be released.

Islam has also been an expert in using it in recent times: More kids in their families means more muslims, ergo more power. No modern religion is free of that parasital doctrine, whose blindness and terrific consequences are easily understood. The most terrible perversion of it is that, like an arm's race, it forces almost everyone to do the same or risk being drowned in the overabundance of those groups which practice it.

[Thunder]

Well here in southern Africa, kids are a kind of retirement policy,
the more you have the better you will be taken care of (by them)when you are older.(Actual monetary retirement policy's have yet to be widely accepted by much of the population.)

[August]

To blame it on religion is stupid. The truth is that every human society encourages population increase, including secular ones. There is power in numbers, that is a basic human instinct. It is not some Catholic plot like Skybird would have you believe.

[August]

Well here in southern Africa, kids are a kind of retirement policy,
the more you have the better you will be taken care of (by them)when you are older.(Actual monetary retirement policy's have yet to be widely accepted by much of the population.)

That is a practice that is as old as man. What it doesn't account for is the much improved survival rate modern technology provides.

[SUBMAN1]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?
Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....
Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S

[antikristuseke]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?
Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....
Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S

Before you came along noone proposed genocide.

[Hitman]

To blame it on religion is stupid. The truth is that every human society encourages population increase, including secular ones. There is power in numbers, that is a basic human instinct. It is not some Catholic plot like Skybird would have you believe.


I agree in that the "power in numbers" is in most societies since ancient times, but what I want to highlight -and I think Skybird probably too- is that religions took it as flag for their own uses and make it be persistant even today, in the XXI century, where such ideas would otherwise probably have not survived to a reality check. Without churches backing up such suicidal ideas, it would be more easy to have public debates about limitating the growth of the human population to a sustainable level, something that would be much more desirable than the current situation.

[Skybird]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?
Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....
Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S

Before you came along noone proposed genocide.
Correct.

But half a year ago I was accused by somebody else of allegedly regretting that I could not send people disagreeing with me into the gas chambers anymore. If that went by without moderators stepping in, I am not surprised that this one also causes no action.

And some people complain and call it my weakness if I put them on my ignore list over such stunts - to compensate for the moderation. :dead:

Disagreements are not the problem. Some people time and again needing to play foul in order to make their points, using distorted quotes, suggestive language, telling lies about other board members and trying to damage the person instead of having a better argument - that is the problem. In other words: a sort of bad behavior that in real life in public places most likely would not be tolerated by people and would lead to people being kicked out of restaurants, cinemas, shops, whatever - at least in all the places and cities over here where I have lived so far.

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

[Digital_Trucker]

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

Perhaps this old saying will help in that regard : "Stöcke und Steine brechen meine Knochen, aber Worte werden mich nie verletzen"

[Thomen]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?
Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....
Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S
Before you came along noone proposed genocide. Correct.

But half a year ago I was accused by somebody else of allegedly regretting that I could not send people disagreeing with me into the gas chambers anymore. If that went by without moderators stepping in, I am not surprised that this one also causes no action.

And some people complain and call it my weakness if I put them on my ignore list over such stunts - to compensate for the moderation. :dead:

Disagreements are not the problem. Some people time and again needing to play foul in order to make their points, using distorted quotes, suggestive language, telling lies about other board members and trying to damage the person instead of having a better argument - that is the problem. In other words: a sort of bad behavior that in real life in public places most likely would not be tolerated by people and would lead to people being kicked out of restaurants, cinemas, shops, whatever - at least in all the places and cities over here where I have lived so far.

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

Skybird, with all due respect and before you dig yourself deeper into the hole..

While you make some good points, you ought to be aware that you aren't the victim here nor can you claim 'morale high ground'. Maybe you haven't noticed yourself, but you have a tendency to belittle, bully and show a general aggressive behavior against people that do not agree with your views.

The claim of 'civil behavior' that shines through your above post pales in comparison too what you really say in your other posts and not just in this tread. Calling people slow minded or sick and twisted does not make you a victim, nor establishes a base for assumed superiority.

Your hatred for everything Religious and your treatment of believers in said things do not make you look innocent or more educated. It just make you look like you have a limited 'horizon' and are too stubborn to accept that there are people who have a belief in something that has not much to do with science per se.

Furthermore, that you tell people to stay out of certain threads (not this one, tho but you do it on occasion) when they are in disagreement with you, does gives the impression that you are not interested in an open discourse, but solely use this board to propagate your own world view and do not want any criticism of said view.

Last but not least, as a staff member of the Radioroom, people may misinterpreted what you say and assume it is the position of the staff in its whole. Remember when AVG got blasted for taking a side in a political discussion last year? Some were fast to accuse the staff of taking side, when he was in reality voicing his own opinion. It got even worse after one guy got sent to the brig for using racial slurs and arguing about it.

[SUBMAN1]

(...) if there were only 100 million humans in the whole earth?
Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic. :yeah:

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....
Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S
Before you came along noone proposed genocide.Well considering it's implied (unless you geniuses know of another way), I simply said what you weren't saying. So super smart one, how would you do this any other way? :hmmm:

Funny how the topic pretty much died when I mentioned it. Everyone else seems to get it.

-S

[antikristuseke]

Well considering it's implied (unless you geniuses know of another way), I simply said what you weren't saying. So super smart one, how would you do this any other way? :hmmm:

Funny how the topic pretty much died when I mentioned it. Everyone else seems to get it.

-S

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density. Besides, expressing a wish to have a lot lower population density does not mean that the person wants to kill off most of the population alive right now. At least have the honesty to admit when you are projecting what you want others to say instead of adressing what they actualy do say.

[SUBMAN1]

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density....

Then quit discussing it.

-S

[Fish]

[And before you blast me with a reply, I agree that the time is over for being fruitful and all, but let's oppose that concept without nuking the vatican. Steady pressure will work in the end.

I hope so, but not for the moment.
Vienna - Catholic priests in Austria on Sunday criticized the Vatican for naming an ultraconservative priest as auxiliary bishop in Linz on Saturday without having consulted the local church. The designated bishop, Gerhard Wagner, has made headlines in the past when he condemned JK Rowling's Harry Potter books for its "satanist" content.

He also suggested in 2005 that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment, as it destroyed five abortion clinics as well as nightclubs in New Orleans.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/253678,priests-blast-vatican-for-naming-ultraconservative-austrian-bishop.html
And:
Among the men reinstated Saturday was Richard Williamson, a British-born cleric who in an interview last week said he did not believe that six million Jews died in the Nazi gas chambers. He has also given interviews saying that the United States government staged the Sept. 11 attacks as a pretext to invade Afghanistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/europe/25pope.html?bl&ex=1233550800&en=058153dc6f73ba7f&ei=5087%0A

And here is the fine bishop Williamson on 9/11.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fjGxfNsKk

[Onkel Neal]

I made the forum moderators drink a magic potion this afternoon, now they will never make any mistakes, never have an ommission, never takes sides or voice their own personal views, and never exercise their moderation duties in error, in any way, ever. It's done, so stop whining about how they treated this other guy more gently than you, they cannot make any mistakes now after the magic potion. Their moderation activities will be as precise as splitting atoms, and bound by ironclad rules of physics. That's some magic potion, yeah?

It's a wonder I didn't think of this before. :haha:

[antikristuseke]

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density....

Then quit discussing it.

-S

Excuse me? I was not discussing the benefits of a lower population density, merely pointing out your dishonest tactics at dealing wtih others. Besides, why should I stop discussing it? Not hing an answet to a problem is no reason not to talk about a problem.

[Skybird]

I made the forum moderators drink a magic potion this afternoon, now they will never make any mistakes, never have an ommission, never takes sides or voice their own personal views, and never exercise their moderation duties in error, in any way, ever. It's done, so stop whining about how they treated this other guy more gently than you, they cannot make any mistakes now after the magic potion. Their moderation activities will be as precise as splitting atoms, and bound by ironclad rules of physics. That's some magic potion, yeah?

It's a wonder I didn't think of this before. :haha:
Very funny, Neal. Eventually I will remind you of this "joke" occasionally.

[Skybird]

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density....

Then quit discussing it.

-S

Excuse me? I was not discussing the benefits of a lower population density, merely pointing out your dishonest tactics at dealing wtih others. Besides, why should I stop discussing it? Not hing an answet to a problem is no reason not to talk about a problem.
Man, just let it rest. Subman never behaves different than like he just has done again, it is not worth it to discuss with him, for he plays foul intentionally with what you called "dishonest tactics" of his - and I should know, I have had the questionable pleasure very often to sit at the receiving end of his personal diffamations. Don't waste your time, and instead do like I did: ignore him.

[nikimcbee]

A bit OT but the title of the thread reminds me of this Finnish movie.

http://i.a.ua/kino/covers/7379/cover.jpg

"They held back the Russian Juggernaut in a frozen Hell!" :)

I just watched this movie on youtube.:salute: I never knew finland was a frozen hell.:03:

[Onkel Neal]

I made the forum moderators drink a magic potion this afternoon, now they will never make any mistakes, never have an ommission, never takes sides or voice their own personal views, and never exercise their moderation duties in error, in any way, ever. It's done, so stop whining about how they treated this other guy more gently than you, they cannot make any mistakes now after the magic potion. Their moderation activities will be as precise as splitting atoms, and bound by ironclad rules of physics. That's some magic potion, yeah?

It's a wonder I didn't think of this before. :haha:
Very funny, Neal. Eventually I will remind you of this "joke" occasionally.

Was that ever in doubt?

[SUBMAN1]

Messing with my Jargonator on a typical Skybird post. Lets see if we can make such posts more interesting to read:

-S

Normal (see the original SB post below) output:

"Be fruitful in addition to multiply" is a mantra that is held up by the Vatican until such time as the day before tomorrow - the denial of contraceptives as skillfully. The church's healthy conversations defending that claim to be oh so elevated riding on the moral horse, in fact are cynical, inhumane, in addition to man-hating, in addition to put the claim of the house of worship to lead in addition to define morals about humanity, mortal kindness, in addition to acquiesce millions to fall into suffering in addition to miserable last muster every four week period in addition to every 365 day-5 hour-49 minute period. That is a house of worship of last muster, in addition to what it has made of Christ's teachings are a communication of fear, terror in addition to last muster as skillfully. Shame on everybody who demands my respect for this, in addition to that I should tolerate end users positively receiving this cult of thanatos, it is so extremely extremely much also much demanded from any sensible, orthodox, thinking mind.

In the final analysis, many members of the public in Africa for representation do not "f#ck for merriment", as Firewall has implied, but for surging force as defined in their patriarchal tribe structures, in addition to even more: they endeavor to raise as many children as possible, whereas they have knowledge of so many will die, but they depend on having sufficient children who will take heedfulness of their parents once they are cobwebs of antiquity in addition to without strength. It's a vicious circle, in addition to here now I and others arrive to the hypocrisy of the West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", in addition to completely not paying attention to that the West helps so extremely much in violence in addition to coups in addition to corruption in Africa to see the West's economic beneficial factors being taken heedfulness of, as an unspecified number 24 hour periods ago characterized in another thread, in addition. I still negate that colonialism is the exclusively conditionally determine of the evil in Africa, but I aver it had aspects of improvement, in addition to worsening existing conditions, in addition to it viablenesses on until such time as the day after yesterday, in a altered form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies acquiesce to secure their surging force by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it happen, let it getting completed by proxies they supportance, in addition to do not cease it even if they could. Both tyrannies in addition to democracies are wading in a sea of blood. The tyrant at least is easy to be recognized. But western democracies lie in addition to betray about their true nature in addition to ambitions, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The US does so, in addition to the EU as skillfully. The agricultural standard operating procedures they enforce both on Africa in addition to South The Land of the Free and Brave, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save the undersigned your pseudo-religious hypocrisy in addition to less than honest calls for tolerance, as a result thereof, at what locale in reality you just want to masterly dominate yourself in addition to silence opposition to your ambitions. Possibly you can flimflam an unspecified number end users out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not the undersigned. I have seen through you hypocrisy in addition to lies. In addition to I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison once more - negative matter in what way much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Expectorate out the blood in your mouths foremost, cleanse it off your hands, in addition to then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself give religion it's sub-optimum nomenclature, you Pharisees.

Immediately, the objects were two essays about the race for the Arctic assets having economic value, in addition to the conceivabilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, in addition to the assessment of Russian ambitions in re this important topic. Just a means to aid memory for the few slow intellects amongst us whose intellects without exception get overruled by their reflexes to originate balking at the moment when they peruse my moniker.



Make it sizzle option:

"Be fruitful in addition to multiply" is a highly-competitive mantra that is held up by the Vatican until such time as the day after yesterday - the hasty denial of contraceptives as skillfully. The church's healthy conversations defending that claim to be oh so elevated riding on the moral horse, in fact are cynical, inhumane, in addition to man-hating, in addition to put the funky claim of the house of worship to lead in addition to define morals about humanity, mortal kindness, in addition to acquiesce millions to fall into suffering in addition to miserable last muster every four week period in addition to every 365 day-5 hour-49 minute period. That is a house of worship of last muster, in addition to what it has made of Christ's teachings are a mutant implication of fear, terror in addition to last muster as skillfully. Shame on everybody who demands my respect for this, in addition to that I should tolerate end users appreciating this cult of thanatos, it is so extremely extremely much in addition much demanded from any sensible, traditional, thinking mind.

In the icy final analysis, many end users in Africa for representation do not "f#ck for amusement", as Firewall has implied, but for surging force as defined in their patriarchal tribe structures, in addition to even more: they endeavor to raise as many children as possible, due to the unscientific fact that they have knowledge of so many will die, but they depend on having sufficient children who will take heedfulness of their parents once they are cobwebs of antiquity in addition to without strength. It's a vociferous vicious circle, in addition to here now I and others arrive to the prodigious hypocrisy of the electric West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", in addition to completely not paying attention to that the West helps so extremely much in violence in addition to coups in addition to corruption in Africa to see the West's economic beneficial factors being taken heedfulness of, as an unspecified number 24 hour periods ago descriptively narrated in another thread, in addition. I still negate that colonialism is the solely conditionally determine of the evil in Africa, but I aver it had aspects of improvement, in addition to worsening existing conditions, in addition to it viablenesses on until such time as the day after yesterday, in a altered form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies acquiesce to secure their surging force by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it happen, let it getting completed by proxies they supportance, in addition to do not cease it even if they could. Both tyrannies in addition to democracies are wading in a sea of blood. The perfect tyrant at least is easy to be recognized. But western democracies lie in addition to betray about their true nature in addition to ambitions, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The US does so, in addition to the EU as skillfully. The agricultural standard operating procedures they enforce both on Africa in addition to South The pressing Land of the detailed Free and Brave, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save the undersigned your pseudo-religious hypocrisy in addition to less than honest calls for tolerance, as a critical result thereof, at what locale in reality you just want to masterly dominate yourself in addition to silence opposition to your ambitions. Possibly you can flimflam an unrepentant unspecified number end users out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not the glossy undersigned. I have seen through you hypocrisy in addition to lies. In addition to I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison once more - negative matter in what way much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Expectorate out the blood in your mouths foremost, cleanse it off your hands, in addition to then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself give religion it's sub-optimum moniker, you Pharisees.

At the present time, the limited objects were two essays about the race for the Arctic assets having economic value, in addition to the conceivabilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, in addition to the bigoted assessment of Russian ambitions in re this important topic. Just a pesky means to aid memory for the radical few slow intellects amongst us whose intellects at all times get overruled by their reflexes to originate balking at the unquestionable moment when they peruse my nomenclature.



Punch it up Option:

"Be fruitful in addition to multiply" is dashingly a mantra that is organically held up by the Vatican until such time as the day before tomorrow - the denial of contraceptives as skillfully. The church's healthy conversations defending that claim to be oh so elevated riding on the moral horse, in fact are undoubtedly cynical, inhumane, in addition to man-hating, in addition to put the claim of the house of worship to lead in addition to define concisely morals about humanity, mortal kindness, in addition to acquiesce millions to fall into suffering in addition to miserable last muster every four week period in addition to every 365 day-5 hour-49 minute period. That is organically a house of worship of last muster, in addition to what it has perfectly made dutifully of Christ's teachings are undoubtedly a implication of fear, terror in addition to last muster as skillfully. Shame on everybody who demands damagingly my respect for this, in addition to that I should tolerate members of the public positively receiving this cult of thanatos, it is impressively so extremely extremely much in addition much demanded respectfully from any sensible, orthodox, intellectualizing emotionally mind.

In the final analysis, many ignorant masses in Africa for representation do not "f#ck for merriment", as Firewall has masterfully implied, but for surging force as defined sharply in their patriarchal tribe structures, in addition to even more: they endeavor sincerely to raise as many children as possible, due to the fact that they have expertly knowledge of so many abruptly will die, but they depend on having honestly sufficient children who abruptly will appropriate unsatisfactorily heedfulness of their parents once they are importantly cobwebs of antiquity in addition to without strength. It's a vicious circle, in addition to here now I and others arrive to the hypocrisy of the West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", in addition to completely not paying attention to that the West assists expertly so extremely much in violence in addition to coups in addition to corruption in Africa to see the West's economic beneficial factors being taken heedfulness of, as an unspecified number 24 hour periods ago characterized in another thread, also. I still negate that colonialism is dashingly the solely conditionally determine of the evil in Africa, but I aver it had respectfully aspects of improvement, in addition to worsening existing conditions, in addition to it viablenesses on until such time as the day before tomorrow, in a altered form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies acquiesce to secure their surging force by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it occur stylistically, let it getting completed by proxies they supportance, in addition to do not cease it even if they could. Both tyrannies in addition to democracies are undoubtedly wading in a sea of blood. The tyrant at least is organically easy to be recognized. But western democracies lie in addition to betray about their true nature in addition to ambitions, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The US does so, in addition to the EU as skillfully. The agricultural standard operating procedures they enforce both on Africa in addition to South The Land of the Free and Brave, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save the undersigned your pseudo-religious hypocrisy in addition to less than honest calls for tolerance, ergo, at what locale in reality you just very much want to masterly dominate yourself in addition to silence opposition to your ambitions. Possibly you can flimflam an unspecified number end users out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not the undersigned. I have furiously seen through you hypocrisy in addition to lies. In addition to I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison once more - negative matter in what way much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Expectorate out the blood in your mouths foremost, cleanse it off your hands, in addition to then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself magnanimously distribute religion it's sub-optimum nomenclature, you Pharisees.

At the present time, the objects were beautifully two essays about the race for the Arctic assets having honestly economic value, in addition to the conceivabilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, in addition to the assessment of Russian ambitions in re this important topic. Just a means to aid memory for the few slow intellects amongst us whose intellects without exception get overruled by their reflexes to originate balking at the moment when they peruse my moniker.



Managerialize Option:


"Be fruitful in addition to multiply" is a mantra that is held up by the Vatican until such time as the day before tomorrow - the denial of contraceptives as skillfully. The church's healthy conversations defending that claim to be oh so elevated riding on the moral horse, in fact are cynical, inhumane, in addition to man-hating, in addition to put the claim of the house of worship to lead in addition to define morals about humanity, mortal kindness, in addition to acquiesce millions to fall into suffering in addition to miserable last muster every four week period in addition to every 365 day-5 hour-49 minute period. That is a house of worship of last muster, in addition to what it has made of Christ's teachings are a implication of fear, terror in addition to last muster as skillfully. Shame on everybody who demands my respect for this, in addition to that I should tolerate end users appreciating this cult of thanatos, it is so extremely extremely much in addition much demanded from any sensible, traditional, thinking mind.

In the final analysis, many end users in Africa for representation do not "f#ck for amusement", as Firewall has implied, but for surging force as defined in their patriarchal tribe structures, in addition to even more: they endeavor to raise as many children as possible, in light of the fact that they have knowledge of so many will die, but they depend on having sufficient children who will take heedfulness of their parents once they are cobwebs of antiquity in addition to without strength. It's a vicious circle, in addition to here now I and others arrive to the hypocrisy of the West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", in addition to completely not paying attention to that the West helps so extremely much in violence in addition to coups in addition to corruption in Africa to see the West's economic beneficial factors being taken heedfulness of, as an unspecified number 24 hour periods ago characterized in another thread, also. I still negate that colonialism is the solely conditionally determine of the evil in Africa, but I aver it had aspects of improvement, in addition to worsening existing conditions, in addition to it viablenesses on until such time as the day before tomorrow, in a altered form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies acquiesce to secure their surging force by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it happen, let it getting completed by proxies they supportance, in addition to do not terminate it even if they could. Both tyrannies in addition to democracies are wading in a sea of blood. The tyrant at least is easy to be recognized. But western democracies lie in addition to betray about their true nature in addition to ambitions, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The US does so, in addition to the EU as skillfully. The agricultural standard operating procedures they enforce both on Africa in addition to South The Land of the Free and Brave, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save the undersigned your pseudo-religious hypocrisy in addition to less than honest calls for tolerance, as a result thereof, at what locale in reality you just want to masterly dominate yourself in addition to silence opposition to your ambitions. Possibly you can flimflam an unspecified number ignorant masses out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not the undersigned. I have seen through you hypocrisy in addition to lies. In addition to I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison once more - negative matter in what way much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Expectorate out the blood in your mouths foremost, cleanse it off your hands, in addition to then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself give religion it's sub-optimum nomenclature, you Pharisees.

Immediately, the objects were two essays about the race for the Arctic assets having economic value, in addition to the conceivabilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, in addition to the assessment of Russian ambitions in re this important topic. Just a means to aid memory for the few slow intellects amongst us whose intellects without exception get overruled by their reflexes to originate balking at the moment when they peruse my nomenclature.

We must consider the key dimensions of posture implied by this situation

Original (As written by SB himself):

"Be fruitful and multiply" is a motto that is held up by the vatican until today - the denial of contraceptives as well. The church's arguments defending that claim to be oh so high riding on the moral horse, in fact are cynical, inhumane, and man-hating, and put the claim of the church to lead and define morals abiut humanity, human kindness, and accept millions to fall into suffering and miserbale detah every month and every year. That is a church of death, and what it has made of Christ'S teachings are a message of fear, terror and death as well. shame on everybody who demands my respect for this, and that I should tolerate people liking this cult of thanatos, it is so very very much too much demanded from any sensible, reasonable, thinking mind.

Finally, many people in Africa for example do not "f#ck for fun", as Firewall has implied, but for power as defined in their patriarchalic tribe structures, and even more: they try to raise as many children as possible, because they know so many will die, but they depend on having sufficient children who will take care of their parents once they are old and weak. It's a vicious circle, and here we come to the hypocrisy of the West claiming the misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", and completely ignoring that the West helps so very much in violence and coups and corruption in Africa to see the Wests economic advantages being taken care of, as some days ago described in another thread, too. I still deny that colonialism is the only cause of the evil in Africa, but I say it had aspects of imporvement, and worstening existing conditons, and it lives on until today, in a changed form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies accept to secure their power by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it happen, let it getting done by proxies they support, and do not stop it even if they could. Both tyrannies and democracies are wading in a sea of blood. The tyrannt at least is easy to be recognised. But western democracies lie and betray about their true nature and ambitions, like a wolf in sheep'S clothing. The US does so, and the EU as well. the agricultural policies they enforce both on Africa and South America, should be an object at an international tribunal.

Save me your pseudo-religious hypocrisy and dishonest calls for tolerance, therefor, where in reality you just want to dominate yourself and silence opposition to your ambitions. Maybe you can deceive some people out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not me. I have seen through you hypocrisy and lies. And I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison again - no matter how much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Spit out the blood in your mouths first, wash it off your hands, and then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself give religion it's bad name, you pharisees. :03:

Now, the objects were two essays about the race for the Arctic ressources, and the possibilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, and the assessement of Russian ambitions regarding this issue. Just a reminder for the few slow minds amongst us whose minds always get overruled by their reflexes to start balking when they read my name.



Hmm.... Let's throw it all into the handbasket and put them alltogether:

"Be fruitful in addition to multiply" is perfectly a trustworthy mantra that is dashingly held up by the proprietary Vatican until such time as the brutal day after yesterday - the unsuitable denial of contraceptives as skillfully. The church's healthy conversations defending that claim to be oh so elevated riding on the inflammatory moral horse, in fact are undoubtedly cynical, inhumane, in addition to man-hating, in addition to put the scrumptious claim of the house of worship to lead in addition to define concisely morals about humanity, mortal kindness, in addition to acquiesce millions to fall into suffering in addition to miserable last muster every four week period in addition to every 365 day-5 hour-49 minute period. That is perfectly a trustworthy house of worship of last muster, in addition to what it has masterfully made dutifully of Christ's teachings are importantly a implication of fear, terror in addition to last muster as skillfully. Shame on everybody who demands damagingly my respect for this, in addition to that I should tolerate end users appreciating warmly this cult of thanatos, it is automatically so extremely extremely much in addition much demanded respectfully from any sensible, traditional, intellectualizing seriously mind.

In the final analysis, many end users in Africa for representation do not "f#ck for amusement", as Firewall has masterfully implied, but for surging force as defined sharply in their patriarchal tribe structures, in addition to even more: they endeavor sincerely to raise as many children as possible, in light of the vociferous fact that they have expertly knowledge of so many abruptly will die, but they depend on having absolutely sufficient children who absolutely will appropriate unsatisfactorily heedfulness of their parents once they are importantly cobwebs of antiquity in addition to without strength. It's a vicious circle, in addition to here now I and others arrive to the jingoistic hypocrisy of the West claiming the killer misery of Africa to be based on it's own "laziness", in addition to completely not paying attention to that the West assists expertly so extremely much in violence in addition to coups in addition to corruption in Africa to see the West's economic beneficial factors being taken heedfulness of, as an unspecified number 24 hour periods ago descriptively narrated in another thread, also. I still negate that colonialism is stylistically the award-winning solely conditionally determine of the productive evil in Africa, but I aver it had completely aspects of improvement, in addition to worsening existing conditions, in addition to it viablenesses on until such time as the day after yesterday, in a restructured form.

Tyrannies kill by their own hands. Democracies acquiesce to secure their surging force by not less killing - it's just that they do not kill with their own hands so much, but let it transpire beautifully, let it getting completed by proxies they supportance, in addition to do not cease it even if they could. Both tyrannies in addition to democracies are undoubtedly wading in a pyrotechnic sea of blood. The beautiful tyrant at least is stylistically easy to be recognized. So, instead of electing incremental improvement, we should craft a retention-focused strategy based on a better understanding of this problem and articulate any key performance objectives. But western democracies lie in addition to betray about their true nature in addition to ambitions, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The requisite US does so, in addition to the high-tech EU as skillfully. The translucent agricultural standard operating procedures they enforce both on Africa in addition to South The Land of the Free and Brave, should be an alleged object at an international tribunal.

Save the quirky undersigned your pseudo-religious hypocrisy in addition to less than honest calls for tolerance, ergo, at what locale in reality you just automatically want to masterly dominate yourself in addition to silence opposition to your ambitions. Possibly you can flimflam an unspecified number members of the public out there with your virtuous playacting, but certainly not the undersigned. I have furiously seen through you hypocrisy in addition to lies. In addition to I'll never fall for that kind of cynical poison once more - negative matter in what way much you smile.

You guys claim to talk in defense of religion? Ha! Expectorate out the perfect blood in your mouths foremost, cleanse it off your hands, in addition to then rinse your mouths with ox-gall soap. You yourself exclusively donate religion it's sub-optimum moniker, you Pharisees.

At the razor-sharp present time, the objects were nastily two essays about the race for the extraordinary Arctic assets having honestly economic value, in addition to the conceivabilities of major military operations being launched in fight for these, in addition to the brutal assessment of Russian ambitions in re this important topic. Just a bawdy means to aid memory for the razor-sharp few slow intellects amongst us whose intellects without exception get overruled by their reflexes to originate balking at the moment when they peruse my nomenclature.

[nikimcbee]

:har:

Now you wrote that all by yourself, right?:haha:

[McBeck]

That must have taken all morning...

[Morts]

Subman1 has nothing else better to do other than make fun of peoples "beliefs" and political viewpoints and turn threads into "im right, you're stupid "

[Digital_Trucker]

Subman1 has nothing else better to do other than make fun of peoples "beliefs" and political viewpoints and turn threads into "im right, you're stupid "

Funny, I thought that was Skybirds job:hmmm:

[OneToughHerring]

Subman1 has nothing else better to do other than make fun of peoples "beliefs" and political viewpoints and turn threads into "im right, you're stupid "
Funny, I thought that was Skybirds job:hmmm:

Well they are both guilty of it but with Subman1 it's just one line posts and spamming the board. At least Skybird puts a little effort into it.