A sad day in Belgium

[mengle]

20 year old man stabs 2 baby's and woman dead and wounded more than 15 others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwixMd0mftA
Different reactions of the belgium people here, most of "how could this American scene happened here"
Couple years ago man shoot and kill's woman and 5 year old child
Reaction of the government, turn in all the firearms and make te law to get a firearm more difficult and thats it!
people reacting of " trow him in the Bastille with just water and bread, others punish him, make him suffer.
And then a few like myself, what can we do to make this disease get banned out the world ?
It's a world everybody for himself and sometimes becomes the loser a timebomb.
And we're all guilty on this for helping not each other!
And yep it's my turn to gets pissed instead of Dowly, and now im not dronk:shifty:

[Rockstar]

LOL oh thats rich Different reactions of the belgium people here, most of "how could this American scene happened here"

Hey buster, there's nobody to liken this to but the man who did this horrible thing. But it is in your country and happened to your people so the question must be asked. What will you do about it? I'd be intersted to hear as we have our problems too as you already know. We tried many things and heard it all including the ever present "how it should have be done".

So here's your chance to shine show the world the power of goverment in action to fix your problems of a murder in the 1st. I say hang the S.O.B. and all like him.
Of course that just leads to other arguement about victims rights, rehabilitation and second chances. :roll: Poor perp maybe somebody should have held his more often.

[OneToughHerring]

Actually these school attacks, it is a kind of American tradition, as horrible as that sounds. In US there are several attacks a year, when there is one attack in a country like Belgium it's a big tragedy. In US it's pretty much normal.

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Crazy people yes but why attack specifically schools?

[FIREWALL]

Actually these school attacks, it is a kind of American tradition, as horrible as that sounds. In US there are several attacks a year, when there is one attack in a country like Belgium it's a big tragedy. In US it's pretty much normal.

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Crazy people yes but why attack specifically schools?

Because it causes more gut knee jerk response.

Schools are supposed to be a safe haven. :roll:

[OneToughHerring]

Yes you are right FIREWALL. We have had school shootings in Finland too. There's always been violence in schools so that's not new. There seem to be 'fashions' in violence as well, certain types of acts of violence are popular in different times.

[mengle]

In US there are several attacks a year, when there is one attack in a country like Belgium it's a big tragedy. In US it's pretty much normal.

yep the say when its raining in de States it drops in Europe, experts haved warned us about this.
reason perhaps the man is completly insane, otherwise it started in his childhood and his life is a complete disaster, keyword "revenge"
after all we are the product of are education and childhood
quistion is, does a man of 20 year actually feels that he has failed in his life on that age:hmm:

[Rockstar]

LOL even when a murder happens you blame someone else rather than the the guy who did it. Thats par for course I suppose. Still doesn't solve YOUR problem though now does it?

Time to shine and show us how it's done eh?

BUT WAIT! I going to do you all a favor now too

Just to keep ya'all from wasting time looking around who to blame, I'm going to take that burden off your shoulders and you can blame me, you can blame the U.S. and go ahead and blame our new President too (gonna happen eventually), don't forget society. We are taking the blame for this mans actions ok? Fair enough the blame has been sorted out.

Now that that's settled you have nothing else better to do but to fix it right?

[Captain Vlad]

More school violence occurs in the US simply because we have far more people enrolled in our schools. It happens in other places often enough to convince me it's one of those 'fact of life' things that we all have to learn to live with..but still attempt educe or control.

Put a couple of hundred hormonal, socially confused teenagers in a confined setting and there will be conflict. Some of it will become physical, and some of the physical will become fatal.

This particular incident, however...doesn't fit the typical 'school attack' profile. This was a nutcase killing babies, which is a whole 'nother brand of crazy.

[mengle]

LOL even when a murder happens you blame someone else rather than the the guy who did it. Thats par for course I suppose. Still doesn't solve YOUR problem though now does it?

Time to shine and show us how it's done eh?

BUT WAIT! I going to do you all a favor now too

Just to keep ya'all from wasting time looking around who to blame, I'm going to take that burden off your shoulders and you can blame me, you can blame the U.S. and go ahead and blame our new President too (gonna happen eventually), don't forget society. We are taking the blame for this mans actions ok? Fair enough the blame has been sorted out.

Now that that's settled you have nothing else better to do but to fix it right?


i don't blame the U.S and why sould i blame your new presedent ! i think he's the man that could make a differant in the future.
i'm just saying that a country like Belgium is a copple years behind the States and not in bad things also in great things

[Onkel Neal]

Different reactions of the belgium people here, most of "how could this American scene happened here"


:down: Not a good way to start this thread.

[Sonarman]

Yes you are right FIREWALL. We have had school shootings in Finland too. .

And here in Scotland too, where we had the terrible shootings at Dunblane Primary school a few years back. Madness & depression and random acts of violence are definitely not just confined to the US.

[mengle]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society

[Digital_Trucker]

Actually these school attacks, it is a kind of American tradition, as horrible as that sounds. In US there are several attacks a year, when there is one attack in a country like Belgium it's a big tragedy. In US it's pretty much normal.

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Crazy people yes but why attack specifically schools?
Perhaps the reason it seems so "normal" is because the population of the US is so large in comparison to the population of Belgium. More people = more sickos, but the percentage is probably not too different.

Edit : Everything "American" gets exaggerated because the country is so large. As of July, 2008 the population of the US is estimated to be 29 times that of the estimated population of Belgium. So if the US has 29 school killings for every one in Belgium, we'd be about even.

[August]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society

And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.

[Happy Times]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society

And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.

You managed to wrap the essence of the problem very nicely..:up:

[August]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society
And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.
You managed to wrap the essence of the problem very nicely..:up:

Happy Times! It's good to see you back man!

[Happy Times]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society
And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.
You managed to wrap the essence of the problem very nicely..:up:

Happy Times! It's good to see you back man!

Thanks! :) When i took my winter & christmas vacation, i also took time off the internet, television and papers. I went to Thailand and didnt even keep close track what was happening in Bangkok. :lol: I continued my vacation in Finland, my friends cottage, so im pretty relaxed now..:D

[antikristuseke]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society

And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.

That and there are a lot more people now so there are bound to be more unstable whackjobs who do this kind of things.

[August]

That and there are a lot more people now so there are bound to be more unstable whackjobs who do this kind of things.

Yep. More whackjobs, more victims, more opportunities, and a more isolated social environment.

[Deamon]

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Because of antidepressants!

I heard that in EVERY case of school masacres in the US, the killers were on a certain antidepressants. This antidepressants in combination with certain circumstances are known to let some people go berserk.

But the opportunists just blame the ego shooters for everything.

[Onkel Neal]

that's what i mean, its not the U.S or firearms, shoot,war games and movies or whatever
some people are just verry depressed, dissapointed and angry on the society
And why not. People today have enormous amounts of negative information constantly shoved in their faces (now in high definition!) while at the same time are much more isolated socially.

100 years ago people knew everyone who lived in their neighborhood. That has become rare now and I think such incidents are a byproduct.
You managed to wrap the essence of the problem very nicely..:up:

Happy Times! It's good to see you back man!





Thanks! :) When i took my winter & christmas vacation, i also took time off the internet, television and papers. I went to Thailand and didnt even keep close track what was happening in Bangkok. :lol: I continued my vacation in Finland, my friends cottage, so im pretty relaxed now..:D

Pictures! In a different thread, of course :)

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[OneToughHerring]

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Because of antidepressants!

I heard that in EVERY case of school masacres in the US, the killers were on a certain antidepressants. This antidepressants in combination with certain circumstances are known to let some people go berserk.

But the opportunists just blame the ego shooters for everything.

Yea. I'm not a big supporter of giving that type of medication especially to young kids. If they're not messed up before, after becoming hooked on those chemicals they will be messed up.

Having said that I know that some people are violent almost by nature, some might have a bad childhood or something and can be 'saved' and helped to live a normal life. The ones who can't be cured, not sure what should be done about those. Maybe some kind of humane prison for the rest of their lives.

[mengle]

That and there are a lot more people now so there are bound to be more unstable whackjobs who do this kind of things.

Yep. More whackjobs, more victims, more opportunities, and a more isolated social environment.

:yep: yep,
And today, some dokters and lawyers asking the quiestion for the first time, should we some of those who can commit horrible things in de future,
not put saveley in institutes to prevent this. and were they can be cured more or less.
And thats a verry delicate situation to discuss, put someone behind bars before he actually can commit a crime.
Not forget more people kill them self every day because they are desperate and a few put innocents with them in the dead, in this case the man dident die, his job wasn't finished, he was on his way to another place to kill some more with an axe.

[August]

:yep: yep,
And today, some dokters and lawyers asking the quiestion for the first time, should we some of those who can commit horrible things in de future,

I don't buy the anti-depressant argument Mengle. People have been committing these horrible crimes long before Prozac and such were invented.

And thats a verry delicate situation to discuss, put someone behind bars before he actually can commit a crime.

Very delicate to say the least. If we start committing people based on what they might do that reasoning could be applied to anyone at any time and i'll bet it still wouldn't stop these killings.

[RickC Sniper]

The fact that a person is on behavioral medications suggests he/she had a mental health issue in the first place. Sometimes medications work, sometimes they make things worse I think.

The way we treat our most helpless (small children) is a reflection of our society. I have little enthusiasm for our future. This is not just a USA problem.

[Dowly]

Stab the wanker's balls off, suffocate, drown, burn, beat, shoot, hang, **** him alive! Nothing less that arsehole deserves.

[mengle]

Stab the wanker's balls off, suffocate, drown, burn, beat, shoot, hang, **** him alive! Nothing less that arsehole deserves.

yes of course 100%
but that kind of stuf i hear all the time in Belgium, that's why i started this thread to share my sadness with people who see this from a distance, becouse childmurder is the worst thing a human can do It makes no differents if its in the USA, RUSSIA or CHINA, until it hapens not far from your city than you have a horrible feeling and deep shame.
We must give this a place and i'm glad that i could have shared this here

[OneToughHerring]

I read that the killer had painted his face like Joker and committed this act pretty much one year after Heath Ledger's death. So I guess there is a link with pop culture and IRL murders.

[mengle]

I read that the killer had painted his face like Joker and committed this act pretty much one year after Heath Ledger's death. So I guess there is a link with pop culture and IRL murders.

Yep :yep:
and that's were i was afread of that they could blame the movies and the games,
glad that this person is not a gamer and had no firearms

[OneToughHerring]

I read that the killer had painted his face like Joker and committed this act pretty much one year after Heath Ledger's death. So I guess there is a link with pop culture and IRL murders.
Yep :yep:
and that's were i was afread of that they could blame the movies and the games,
glad that this person is not a gamer and had no firearms

Yea well, in Norway they just had a case where a cop had shot his wife and himself. In Finland an ex-cop and a former Olympic shooter shot his wife. So plenty of those cases around too.

[Happy Times]

I read that the killer had painted his face like Joker and committed this act pretty much one year after Heath Ledger's death. So I guess there is a link with pop culture and IRL murders.
Yep :yep:
and that's were i was afread of that they could blame the movies and the games,
glad that this person is not a gamer and had no firearms

Yea well, in Norway they just had a case where a cop had shot his wife and himself. In Finland an ex-cop and a former Olympic shooter shot his wife. So plenty of those cases around too.

Another police committed suicide with his wife and a manager of army arsenal shot his wife. These cases prove the double standard of the demands to take firearms from private hands.
Statisticly private owners are starting to look safer handlers of firearms than goverment employees.

[antikristuseke]

Very delicate to say the least. If we start committing people based on what they might do that reasoning could be applied to anyone at any time and i'll bet it still wouldn't stop these killings.

Indeed. Personaly I stick to the principle of innocent before proven guilty, even if that means loosing some lives.

[OneToughHerring]

I read that the killer had painted his face like Joker and committed this act pretty much one year after Heath Ledger's death. So I guess there is a link with pop culture and IRL murders.
Yep :yep:
and that's were i was afread of that they could blame the movies and the games,
glad that this person is not a gamer and had no firearms
Yea well, in Norway they just had a case where a cop had shot his wife and himself. In Finland an ex-cop and a former Olympic shooter shot his wife. So plenty of those cases around too.
Another police committed suicide with his wife and a manager of army arsenal shot his wife. These cases prove the double standard of the demands to take firearms from private hands.
Statisticly private owners are starting to look safer handlers of firearms than goverment employees.

I don't think these cases are enough to tip the scales of violence against government officials and make them less reliable than private gun owners. Although it would be a good idea to look at how police use their weapons and try to minimize the overall gun violence, both 'legal' and illegal.

[August]

I don't think these cases are enough to tip the scales of violence against government officials and make them less reliable than private gun owners. Although it would be a good idea to look at how police use their weapons and try to minimize the overall gun violence, both 'legal' and illegal.

And I think you'll find that gun violence perpetrated by government employees is per capita similar to that of the general population. They're human beings just like anyone else.

[mengle]

i regret when you tell somebody what kind of hobbys you have in my case
target shooting, wargames, warmovies, if you go to the place were i game you can see war medals, german USA, rusia.
People give you this look like your one of them wakko's

[Happy Times]

i regret when you tell somebody what kind of hobbys you have in my case
target shooting, wargames, warmovies, if you go to the place were i game you can see war medals, german USA, rusia.
People give you this look like your one of them wakko's

Just smile at the pussies and say you love the smell of napalm burning.:D
Its the "castration" of the male personality from childhood, that is also behind all kinds of disorders in our society.

[Kapt Z]

:nope:

[Happy Times]

:nope:

Maybe i need help also?
I like those same things as mengle, also ice hockey, MMA, boxing, BMW cars and naked women ive never met, probaly more things that just arent "right".:up:

[Kapt Z]

:nope:

Maybe i need help also?
I like those same things as mengle, also ice hockey, MMA, boxing, BMW cars and naked women ive never met, probaly more things that just arent "right".:up:

wasn't in reference to your post just the incident itself.

[Frame57]

Question is, why do these attacks happen in the first place? Because of antidepressants!

I heard that in EVERY case of school masacres in the US, the killers were on a certain antidepressants. This antidepressants in combination with certain circumstances are known to let some people go berserk.

But the opportunists just blame the ego shooters for everything.I agree with you on this. One of the side effects listed on all anti-depressants is "suicidal thoughts". How about homicidal...? My Grand dad's remedy for depression was "work", a busy mind will not get depressed.

[Happy Times]

:nope:

Maybe i need help also?
I like those same things as mengle, also ice hockey, MMA, boxing, BMW cars and naked women ive never met, probaly more things that just arent "right".:up:

wasn't in reference to your post just the incident itself.

Yeah, i kinda guessed after your post on the ice sculpture thread.:rotfl:

[mengle]

people should better asking questions ifs a man collect dolls instead of firearms :roll:

[Happy Times]

people should better asking questions ifs a man collect dolls instead of firearms :roll:

If they are not GI Joes, id go with that profiling.:up:

[1480]

God welcomed 3 angels too soon....

[mengle]

God welcomed 3 angels too soon....


nope, probably 4 , perhaps he killed an old women few weeks ago!
the killers name is KIM DE GELDER, twist the letters and you get LEDGER, how sick can a human be :nope:

[August]

people should better asking questions ifs a man collect dolls instead of firearms :roll:
If they are not GI Joes, id go with that profiling.:up:

Gi Joes are not "dolls", they are "action figures" (Accessories sold separately).

[Digital_Trucker]

people should better asking questions ifs a man collect dolls instead of firearms :roll:
If they are not GI Joes, id go with that profiling.:up:
Gi Joes are not "dolls", they are "action figures" (Accessories sold separately).

Yeah, for goodness sake, get the nomenclature right:D

[antikristuseke]

the killers name is KIM DE GELDER, twist the letters and you get LEDGER, how sick can a human be :nope:

What the bloody **** does thsi have to do with anything?

[Dowly]

the killers name is KIM DE GELDER, twist the letters and you get LEDGER, how sick can a human be :nope:
What the bloody **** does thsi have to do with anything?

Heath Ledger's ghost had not enough time to get back to the role of Heath, instead it still think's it's playing the part of Joker and now the ghost possessed this guy etc. etc.

Close? :hmm:

[mengle]

Close? :hmm:[/quote]

:yep: all is said, thanks for this