Japanese are coming around on GW now too

[SUBMAN1]

Guess they Kyoto protocol isn't going to be named the Kyoto protocol is Japan drops off the bandwagon! :D :p

http://www.dailytech.com/Japanese+Report+Disputes+Human+Cause+for+Global+Wa rming/article13934.htm

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[UnderseaLcpl]

As much as I'd love to see it, I seriously doubt this will put a dent in the green juggernaut. Alarmism and objective judgement rarely go hand-inhand.

[SUBMAN1]

It sounds like high time the world comes crashing down around us and we rebuild it once again. Dark Ages II.

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[August]

It sounds like high time the world comes crashing down around us and we rebuild it once again. Dark Ages II.

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That is a really stupid idea.

[SUBMAN1]

It sounds like high time the world comes crashing down around us and we rebuild it once again. Dark Ages II.

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That is a really stupid idea.I agree. But as history has shown, it is the only way forward a couple times over. Rome had a similar situation.

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[Zachstar]

You agree after you made such an outrageous statement?

You said it was high time for a new dark ages.

I guess you have no idea how much suffering would happen in such an event.

Be the first to join the new dark ages subman. Cancel all paid services, unplug the computer, live off a simple garden and hope some rival does not raid your town.

[SUBMAN1]

...I guess you have no idea how much suffering would happen in such an event.

Be the first to join the new dark ages subman. Cancel all paid services, unplug the computer, live off a simple garden and hope some rival does not raid your town.

I'm aware. Life after would be better than the direction it is going today however. Future generations would benefit even if I don't.

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[Stealth Hunter]

It sounds like high time the world comes crashing down around us and we rebuild it once again. Dark Ages II.

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That is a really stupid idea.I agree. But as history has shown, it is the only way forward a couple times over. Rome had a similar situation.

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But when Rome fell, we lost entire vistas of information that we're just now recovering. If they hadn't been destroyed, we could have been driving cars 150 years ago...

[August]

It sounds like high time the world comes crashing down around us and we rebuild it once again. Dark Ages II.

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That is a really stupid idea.I agree. But as history has shown, it is the only way forward a couple times over. Rome had a similar situation.

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But when Rome fell, we lost entire vistas of information that we're just now recovering. If they hadn't been destroyed, we could have been driving cars 150 years ago...

That's a definite point, although that might have not always worked in our favor. Imagine WW1 protagonists, who never met a weapon they didn't use, having nukes at their disposal for example... :o

What I was thinking of is that Europe was reasonably lucky to have come out of the dark ages intact enough to experience the Renaissance. There's no guarantee that would happen after another dark age, especially one on a world wide scale.

[SUBMAN1]

What is missing from this picture is that Rome was a republic, and when they were a republic, they grew in power, wealth, and influence constantly. If you study Rome, the moment they transferred into an oligarchy, and eventually into a monarchy (dictatorship in this case), you can see the decline of the state of Rome at this exact point.

The only way to really break an oligarchy or monarchy happens to be anarchy. Democracy works, but it usually is a transition state back to either an oligarchy or monarchy, and rarely a republic.

The US of A was created as a Republic, so why is it our leaders keep pushing the democracy clause? They really want an oligarchy, or even a monarchy, though I think the former is more likely.

Socialism is an oligarchy, and in Stalin's case, almost a monarchy, but only a republic leads to wealth and prosperity for any real length of time.

The point of this exercise is, if Rome was doomed, as was the world at this point in time the moment it left the idea of a republic, so no, there was no chance that we would have been driving a car 150 years ago.

On that same subject, Rome was anti technology unless it related to either religion or military. They relied upon the backs of slaves, and even their massive cranes were run by slaves who ran in what would best be described as a mouse wheel for humans. So no - your car still wouldn't have existed. Bad example.

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