SH IV...any reason to buy?

[Freiwillige]

Just upgraded to 2 gigs of memory so SH IV will now run on my system, But I have to ask Really what does SH IV offer over III? Other than a scenery change and a uniform change is there really anything that sets it apart from III?

[FIREWALL]

If you have to ask....:rotfl:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Improved graphics? And automated watch changes. :lol: I've only played a little bit, as I found out too late my computer is not up to the task of running SHIV.

[StarLion45]

:D Nothing compared to SH3+3GWX 3.0 . Gold+JSGME+SH3Cmdr3.1:D

The SHIV it's a bad , bad game:nope:

Where is the romance , atmosphere , the thrill , the exitment ,the fun ,
the disapointment , the GWX3.0 Gold , SH3Cmdr3.1 , in SHIV:o :hmm:

No , no ! I say ! Stick to good old SH3:up: :rock:

[GoldenRivet]

the only reason i could find to purchase SH4 is to purchase SH4 with the u-boat missions add on and wait for the release of GWX4

:up:

[A Very Super Market]

SH4 seems to be a bit cheap, since the Pacific gets easier for the Americans as the war goes along. Us Kaleuns have to endure air raids every time we surface in '44 while the Amis can go sightseeing with their 27 carriers and 16 battleships.

Oh, and congratulations on your promotion Goldenrivet.

[GoldenRivet]

Cool.

Just happened to notice the promotion... thanks supermarket!

Got to get used to another avatar now hehehe

[Dekessey]

Haven't played much SHIV, but I liked the change in theatre and ships. Crew management is great, and there are some good missions.

But I remain true to SHIII. To me, when I think WWII submarines I think uboats. Plus the game gets more challenging with time.

[Weiss Pinguin]

SH4 seems to be a bit cheap, since the Pacific gets easier for the Americans as the war goes along. Us Kaleuns have to endure air raids every time we surface in '44 while the Amis can go sightseeing with their 27 carriers and 16 battleships.
Eh, good point. Still, fleet boats fascinate me (And submarines in general, obviously, but fleet boats especially), and if I ever upgrade my computer, I'll definitely be checking out the Pacific theather. ;) I have to say, I was real disappointed when it turned out that SHIV was too much for my computer.

[Freiwillige]

Well my understanding is that SH IV is bult on the III hence the quick build and release time of 1 year from conception to release. Granted it has more eye candy But hell I ran GWX 2.1 and now 3 on 756 megs! :yep: :damn: ;)

That is until my 2 gig upgrade tonight!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :up: :rock: :up: :D :D :D

anyways my point is if you can run SHIII decently than you should be able to run SH IV slowly. Graphics card allowing of course.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Oh, I can run SHIV just fine - From the plotting table... Otherwise it's a [very pretty] slideshow. Makes underwater warfare a little difficult.

Ah well, the joys of a non-PCIe compatible motherboard!

Another fun thing is that I got my copy off E-bay, and I'm still not quite sure if it's entirely legitimate... Packaging is in Russian (Nothing strange there I guess, but from now on I'm definitely making sure I find an English version of whatever I'm looking for), but none of the patches I can find will recognize my install. :hmm: Not that it matters much as I can't play SHIV.


Anyways

[Freiwillige]

"Ah well, the joys of a non-PCIe compatible motherboard!"

Yea I have an AGP card but its got 512megs to compensate!

[Fincuan]

Ask this question in the SH3 forums, and of course you'll get answers such as in this thread :lol:

If your PC is up to it go buy it mate, you won't regret. No need to wait for GWX4 either, because there's plenty of good mods available already.

[Red Heat]

Ask this question in the SH3 forums, and of course you'll get answers such as in this thread :lol:

If your PC is up to it go buy it mate, you won't regret. No need to wait for GWX4 either, because there's plenty of good mods available already.

I all aways play SH3 GWX but i have all so the SH4...if you have a good computer to run it...try this mod call "Trigger Maru" or like my self wait for the GWX4, because it will change a lot of things in the game! :up:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Just upgraded to 2 gigs of memory so SH IV will now run on my system, But I have to ask Really what does SH IV offer over III? Other than a scenery change and a uniform change is there really anything that sets it apart from III?
I played the shat out of 3 and still have it on my system, and will load up GWX 3.0.
Having said that I have also played 4 since the very beginning, early warts and all, and must say that it is a great game, especially with all the mods, super-mods available. See this recent thread about one of them:Here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=146556)

As far as the War in the Pacific, it was a lot more compelling than some folks think, check out this thread, it is a good one :yep: War in the Pacific (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185)


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[Shadowblade]

I have bought SH IV - i.a. because of Deluxe Edition :up: , no tests (as installation of mods etc) so far - still have to finish my career in GWX ;)

[meduza]

the only reason i could find to purchase SH4 is to purchase SH4 with the u-boat missions add on and wait for the release of GWX4

:up: That's good enough reason for me. :up:
I bought it, tried it out (didn't impress me), shelved it and now I'm waiting for GWX4... :D

[ReallyDedPoet]

Just out of curiosity, anybody try Operation Monsoon for the U-Boat side, it is very well done :yep:


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[FIREWALL]

I got SH4 on a preorder from UBI and took UPS delivery 24hrs before the first patch release.

My only gripe is the long travel distances to patrol area. It sends you to the farthest area from your base when, there's closer bases.

Don't make sense and I can't believe it was done in real life. :nope:

I have 3 installs with stock 1.5 , TMO1.5, RFB 1.5

I'm going to play each equally and see which one I like the best. ( wiil not post my opinion )

Knowing each one was done differently as to Realism, gameplay, hardcore ect.. ect.

Also I've modded each one as equally as can.

[FIREWALL]

When I first got SH4 my specs were P4 3.0 - 2 gigs of ram and a XFX 7600gt 512mb AGP wth 500 watt ps.

Ran game full tilt with an average 90 fps.

That's with everything else shutdown includeing the coffee maker. :p

[Carotio]

I have played SH1, SH2, SH3 and SH4

Let me answer with a quote from the porn industry:
once you go black, you'll never go back :|\\

Meaning why stick with obsolete software like SH3, when the SH4 software is the newest? :doh: And with modding software like S3D made public for all, everybody can create their own supermod. :yep:
I'm not awaiting others to perfectionize my game. I do it myself. :arrgh!:

So yes, go buy it, if your hardware can handle it, or upgrade it, so it can.
It's worth it. :up:

[XLjedi]

Prior to the Gold edition release, I would've said, "Don't even bother..."

However, if you buy the Gold edition there are several good reasons to make the move.

1) Playing with a type IX in the Indian Ocean is a fresh experience

2) Using scout planes to help locate targets.

3) Better graphics obviously, but more importantly, higher resolutions and 16:9 without screen distortion.

4) The ship AI is much less predictable once they've detected you. They don't just zig-zag like a nice little snake in a straight line, they take real evasive action and move in a far less predictable manner.

5) The familiar TDC interface is back (and essentially unchanged) on the attack map (something woefully lacking for US fleetboats) just like it was in SH3.

6) Refueling and rearming is allowed, and very simple.

7) Greater time compression, and lots of refueling options allow you to make long journeys far less painful.

8) And of course, eventually, you might decide to take a spin in a US Fleetboat.

9) Seems to run smoother and load faster than my SH3/GWX install (under Vista 64)



Still a couple small items that may disappoint the SH3 fan:

1) Lacking an Atlantic Theater Campaign (ATO)
(thankfully Lurker provided the Operation Monsun mod, and I'm hopeful for continued work in this area)

2) For ATO mods, it would've been nice to have the type II and VII models to play with.

[FIREWALL]

I don't think there is or ever will be a perfect Sim out of the box. :know: :smug: :D

That's why the Great Power made Modders. :D :rotfl:

[gordonmull]

I first went into the depths on silent service II and I loved that game, so i've nothing against the pacific theatre at all but I'd still say III is the most immersive of the last two SH's and has a much more intuitive interface. I also miss the clickability of bits of the sub that III had and IV doesn't. There's more compartments in 3D on III as well IIRC.

Saying that, though, I definitely don't regret buying IV, it entertained for a good while and the Op Munsoon mod is excellent. I'd go for it, everyone's different and it might be the best game you ever played! You'll get more hours of entertainment out of it for less cash than you would spend in the boozer in the same time, so look at like that and give it a try.

[AVGWarhawk]

If you look hard enough you can pick up the gold edition for $20.00. That is more than enough reason to buy it. SH3 is truly a good game stock and an awesome game with GWX installed over top. SH4 is graphically better then SH3. As far as mods, there are plenty to be had that change the entire face of SH4...RFB, OM, TMO, PE4, EE 5.0. The only issue with the game and to really appreciate what you have requires a computer with a bit of a$$ to run it. Once you can run the game full tilt on your rig do you really appreciate the new goodies offered in the game.


Other than that, buying the game supports further developments in the sub simulation that all members here enjoy.

[XLjedi]

Other than that, buying the game supports further developments in the sub simulation that all members here enjoy.

Yeah, I picked up a copy of the Gold Edition even though I already had SHIV just to vote more dollars toward a genre that I like (and would prefer not to see disappear). :up:

[mookiemookie]

Other than that, buying the game supports further developments in the sub simulation that all members here enjoy.
Yeah, I picked up a copy of the Gold Edition even though I already had SHIV just to vote more dollars toward a genre that I like (and would prefer not to see disappear). :up:

I'd say this is the best reason of all. :sunny:

[FIREWALL]

Other than that, buying the game supports further developments in the sub simulation that all members here enjoy.
Yeah, I picked up a copy of the Gold Edition even though I already had SHIV just to vote more dollars toward a genre that I like (and would prefer not to see disappear). :up:

I'd say this is the best reason of all. :sunny:

:up: Another reason I did the same.

[Ping Panther]

So, is it certain that the "Gold edition" of SH4 provides a better game than a fully patched non-Gold version? (in graphics, interface...?) I have a pre-Gold disk... I'd get the Gold now if it really mattered to the install. Could someone help clarify this a little more? :hmm:

[FIREWALL]

So, is it certain that the "Gold edition" of SH4 provides a better game than a fully patched non-Gold version? (in graphics, interface...?) I have a pre-Gold disk... I'd get the Gold now if it really mattered to the install. Could someone help clarify this a little more? :hmm:

Just to have it. :D As AVG said it's in the 20 buck range.

[XLjedi]

So, is it certain that the "Gold edition" of SH4 provides a better game than a fully patched non-Gold version? (in graphics, interface...?) I have a pre-Gold disk... I'd get the Gold now if it really mattered to the install. Could someone help clarify this a little more? :hmm:

Well, the uboat missions is also known as patch 1.5. I don't know how many mods of the future will only work for 1.5 or if it's even an issue. But fact is, you have to either buy the D'L version or get the Gold version to be up to speed. Sounds like you can get the gold version now for nearly the same price as the 1.5 D'L so why not?

Good grief, you'd think we were talking about like a $1000 upgrade or something... :doh:

It's $20 bucks people! Pack a lunch a few days next week and save up!

[Freiwillige]

Had Silent Hunter and I loved it but......Aces of the deep ruled my roost far mor often. Then command aces of the deep came out and I played the (Expletive) out of it until about 5 years ago. Still all the while Silent Hunter was played in bits and peices in the background.

Then Silent Hunter II came out and I bought it. I loved the modern look but the limitations of the game soon revealed themselves with scripted missions etc. Gave it away and back to SH, AOD!

SH III was released and I looked at it in the store quiet a few times but I couldnt get the taste of SH II out of my mouth. So I never bought it and I never looked it up having lost internet for a few years and being heavily into IL2 series when I was browsing the net.

Then came my whonderfull girlfriend to the rescue. She ordered a game CSI: miami online from amazon and asked if I would like a game too. So the first game that popped up under the "The persons that bought this also bought" SH III. She asked whats a U-boat? Would you want a U-boat game its only 10$. So I said yes and while waiting for the mail I watched Videos on youtube and just about went into heart failure! I saw GWX2.0 and read about it and saw all the mods and I couldnt wait to get my copy!!!:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

So, is it certain that the "Gold edition" of SH4 provides a better game than a fully patched non-Gold version? (in graphics, interface...?) I have a pre-Gold disk... I'd get the Gold now if it really mattered to the install. Could someone help clarify this a little more? :hmm:
Well, the uboat missions is also known as patch 1.5. I don't know how many mods of the future will only work for 1.5 or if it's even an issue. But fact is, you have to either buy the D'L version or get the Gold version to be up to speed. Sounds like you can get the gold version now for nearly the same price as the 1.5 D'L so why not?

Good grief, you'd think we were talking about like a $1000 upgrade or something... :doh:

It's $20 bucks people! Pack a lunch a few days next week and save up!

I do not believe the Gold Edition has anything better in game. Might be some more goodies in the package. All I know is, it is the full version inclusive of the U add on and patches. For a few shekels, it is worth having especially when you need to uninstall the game and reinstall for whatever reason. Hell, I did 2 uninstall and 2 installs just this week. No going to a website hoping they will give it up. Losing your SPECIAL CODE:o. Connection dies mid-download. Sending off a contact message hoping you might get a response from the site sometime this year. Screw all that. Besides, it has a really cool picture on the cover:p

[FIREWALL]

As AVG pointed out... I like to hold my games in my grubby big hands. :D

[Paul_IronCoffin]

Improved graphics? And automated watch changes. :lol: I've only played a little bit, as I found out too late my computer is not up to the task of running SHIV.

Same here. Though it runs on No.2 sons PC, and the only component he has better than I do, is the graphics card.

...I play on his pc now ;)

[XLjedi]

Improved graphics? And automated watch changes. :lol: I've only played a little bit, as I found out too late my computer is not up to the task of running SHIV.

Same here. Though it runs on No.2 sons PC, and the only component he has better than I do, is the graphics card.

...I play on his pc now ;)

At first I tried running it on my PC, an old AMD fx64 (over 5 years old now), with dual 6800 ultra cards running in SLI. Ran, but it ran slow.

Figured I'd need a whole new setup. So I started by picking up a pair of 9600gt's for about $150 each and slapped those in. Game runs without a hitch now, I think I can milk this setup for at least another year or two. ...and I was ready to go out and get a whole new moboard and CPU. Looks like I can avoid that for awhile longer.

At least for me, the biggest bottleneck was the GPU. Just one of those 9600's was able to outperform the dual 6800's. Looks like you can get an EVGA nVidia 9600gt these days in the $120 range on Amazon. Not too bad at all. I'm using the EVGA builds... not sure about the PNY's.

[Weiss Pinguin]

As sad as this sounds, I don't think my computer even has AGP compatibility. In fact I'm sure it doesn't, as I have an AGP version of my current card (nVidia FX 5200... Just a little old) with twice as much memory sitting in my closet.

Someday...

[bigboywooly]

Its always worth buying at the cheap prices its being knocked out at
And the more sales the more Ubi will keep the SH series going

Have both SH4 and the addon but rarely play it

Dont like the look of it - too cartoony
Thats my opinion of course
And its not cos its the PTO - I have to admit have little interest there but still give it a try - its the game itself
If SH4 was set in the Atlantic I still wouldnt play it

Has a vastly improved game engine and much quicker loading times but meh

Doesnt mean to say YOU wont like it though :up:

[gimpy117]

yes...if you can run it..do it!!!

sh4 is not cartoony if you turn post process off as well

it's a great game and with mods and patches it is pretty solid

[FIREWALL]

It's cartoony. Perfect for PTO. :rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

It's cartoony. Perfect for PTO. :rotfl:

:nope:
Now I never said that and the quickest way for this thread to go south

[Freiwillige]

Been looking into screenies and I saw a couple where you can actually see the boat below the waterline! How cool is that! Why cant we have that here in the Atlantic!? I bet you we can have everything SH IV has since it was based on III just need the source! But anyways yea im gonna get it but I doubt it will replace my SH III W/GWX3:hmm:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Been looking into screenies and I saw a couple where you can actually see the boat below the waterline! How cool is that!
Yep, SH4 introduced transparent water into the series, among other things. I think people have tried putting that in SH3, but I'm not sure how successful they were. :hmm:

[msalama]

Well I've lately switched over to SH4 completely, and I'm not regretting one bit. The graphics do look a bit cartoonish, granted, but then there're big bonuses there as well, such as greatly reduced mission loading times and a vastly improved crew management system.

As regards the PTO itself I also first thought that it would bore the titties off me. Well, I was wrong b/c I had the good luck of discovering RFB, which IMHO even in its WIP state is still one of the best supermods ever. Granted, the theatre can very well be perceived as more boring and / or frustrating from a gaming POV than the U-boat / Atlantic ops thing b/c there's less to sink there and the Japanese never really perfected their ASW (and your torpedoes are VERY unreliable in the beginning too), but regardless of all that I still find I'm _hugely_ enjoying the experience! I don't know, maybe it's just the environment and the palm trees swaying in the gentle breeze that feel exotic to a European barstage like me or something? Beats the s**t outta the murk and dark outside my window at any rate, that much is sure :ping:

But it's not only that, though, b/c I've actually took a big liking to the fleet boats too. They mightn't have diven that deep when compared to the U-boats, but then the gear (PK/TDC, active sonar, radar, etc.) is absolutely tops. And not all Jap ASW units are that clueless either - just as in GWX you _will_ occasionally meet an elite crew too, and as often as not what then happens is them coming out the victor not you :nope:

So yeah, I like it. YMMV, of course, and that's cool as well :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

It's cartoony. Perfect for PTO. :rotfl:

:nope:
Now I never said that and the quickest way for this thread to go south

:up:

[XLjedi]

Well... I have to say, after playing a few patrols with a Type IX in the Indian Ocean, I'm hooked! I don't think I'll be going back to SH3 now.

I really like how the AI can detect you and actually evade. I've also noticed that the evasive maneuvers are not random. The AI merchie capn's react to your pursuit angle and turn away. If you try to turn inside their radius they reverse direction... not bad!

Also I really like the progressive missions. After you complete an objective, if you send a patrol update, they'll give you another objective. That was a pleasant surprise.

[Freiwillige]

Well I bought it tonight. It ran slower than I expected but it was playable. I thought the transparent water effect was awesome but in general the over all water seemed worse than SHIII! I only played with it a few minutes checking out random details. Over all I think it could have probably done better with the SHIII engine and better programing as this new engine is just to CPU intensive. And SHIII modded looks almost as good to me. I must admit though that I have only 10 minutes on the sim before I longed to throw back in SHIII. Maybe I just need to play around with it more and get a feel for it but so far I just see a 10% improvment at a loss of 75% of my frame rates!

[Weiss Pinguin]

I've heard some good things about Trigger Maru and Real Fleet Boat... You might want to check them out.

[Freiwillige]

Okay completed the first two training missions and I have to admit its growing on me. The frame rates are liveable on medium settings but I keep getting stutters on any graphics settings and no settings make it worse or better low or high.

Ive experianced these stutters on GWX with close up of tankers burning before my ram upgrade to two gigs but this is a every 2 seconds, split second pause that is anoying the heck out of me. Other than that I say its looking better in my eyes.

The over done hollywood special effects are a bit of an imersion killer. Come on a wooden junk shouldnt blow flames and explosions hundreds of feet into the air!

Same scenario with aircraft, A bit over done. But all told it is remotly beautifull at the same time.

By the way why are the fleet boats so damn ugly? None of the sleek Germanic engineering of the Type II\VII\IX. No instead they have stuff hanging out everywhere. I guess we were a bit behind in Submarine technology?

The intro movie rocks though and I have to give 10 out of 10 stars for that one.

Will look into it further tommorow and learn how to fire torps!:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

It does take a fairly fast machine to run the game. As far as frame rates, just the installation of the environment mode PE4 will help with frame rates. The Hollywood effects are made more realistic.

What spec for your machine are you running the game on?

[Weiss Pinguin]

The intro movie rocks though and I have to give 10 out of 10 stars for that one.
Probably my favorite intro (And trailer) for a game. I've still no idea what poem they put in, if it is one.

[Jimbuna]

At todays price it should be a gotta have for everyones gaming library.

Look how far SH3 has come in a little over three years.

Give it another year and who knows how many modding advancements will have been made....it's certainly been modded for the better thus far.

I have it as well as the U-boat add on and I can certainly say it's a great feeling to have the choice of which theatre and indeed which side I want to play.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Also I really like the progressive missions. After you complete an objective, if you send a patrol update, they'll give you another objective. That was a pleasant surprise.
Yeah, this is a neat thing with SH4, the varied missions, and it gets even better with a super-mod installed, they are scripted that much better :yep:


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[Freiwillige]

It does take a fairly fast machine to run the game. As far as frame rates, just the installation of the environment mode PE4 will help with frame rates. The Hollywood effects are made more realistic.

What spec for your machine are you running the game on?

The frame rates are not a problem for me its the damn micro stutters that are killing it for me. :damn:

CPU:AMD Sempron 2.8 GHz
2 Gigabytes of DDR333
GeForce 7300GT AGP 512megs of DDR2
80 gig WD ATA HD

What is this PE4?

[mookiemookie]

The intro movie rocks though and I have to give 10 out of 10 stars for that one. Probably my favorite intro (And trailer) for a game. I've still no idea what poem they put in, if it is one.

On Time by John Milton

[XLjedi]

Yeah, strange that anyone would like that intro though...

It just does not fit the WWII US fleetboat theme at all for me. It just seems totally bizarre; sounds Mediterranean/European... and the guy has a European accent too.

I would've preferred a cheesy American Navy fight song or something... anything. I thought it was horrible. :nope:

Shoot they coulda played "Another One Bites the Dust" and it would've been better.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Yeah, strange that anyone would like that intro though...

It just does not fit the WWII US fleetboat theme at all for me. It just seems totally bizarre; sounds Mediterranean/European... and the guy has a European accent too.

I would've preferred a cheesy American Navy fight song or something... anything. I thought it was horrible. :nope:

Shoot they coulda played "Another One Bites the Dust" and it would've been better.

If you have not already seen it, try out Captain Cox's Silent Service Mod, it is a good one as far as opening movies :yep:


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[XLjedi]

Yeah, strange that anyone would like that intro though...

It just does not fit the WWII US fleetboat theme at all for me. It just seems totally bizarre; sounds Mediterranean/European... and the guy has a European accent too.

I would've preferred a cheesy American Navy fight song or something... anything. I thought it was horrible. :nope:

Shoot they coulda played "Another One Bites the Dust" and it would've been better.

If you have not already seen it, try out Captain Cox's Silent Service Mod, it is a good one as far as opening movies :yep:


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I havent' seen that one... I'll go hunt for it now!

[AVGWarhawk]

It does take a fairly fast machine to run the game. As far as frame rates, just the installation of the environment mode PE4 will help with frame rates. The Hollywood effects are made more realistic.

What spec for your machine are you running the game on?

The frame rates are not a problem for me its the damn micro stutters that are killing it for me. :damn:

CPU:AMD Sempron 2.8 GHz
2 Gigabytes of DDR333
GeForce 7300GT AGP 512megs of DDR2
80 gig WD ATA HD

What is this PE4?

PE4 found here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138663


I would say your 7300 is bottlenecking you performance a bit. Anyway, try out the PE4. You will like it.

[StarLion45]

:o I don't know why people says SHIV have better graphics :o
I am totally agree with BBW that says it looks like cartoon:yep:
Look at the sea , toally bad , bad , bad :nope:
I have had them both for a long time , SH4 , and the Uboat addons .
I tryed with with the mods "TMO" , "OM" and lots of other mods too :yep:
Terrible game :dead: I thought that Ubisoft had learned their lesson regarding
SH3 stock , did they ? Nooo :stare:
when it came out 2006-7 , you would think that it looked better graphic ,
but instead it look like cartoon:o :o If you compare with SH3 & SH4 , I would throw the SH4 in the trashcan ( I did it ) and I don't regret it , one bit:p
I suspect the Ubisoft made the SH4 in a hurry , just to keep up the sale success of the SH3 , but they failed , that was their total mistakes . My opinion and advise is that Ubisoft should sell the SH3/SH4 to another manufacturerer , so that it could be much , much better with another manufacturerer than Ubisoft :yep:
KaptLehmann once said ; " So long we didn't have the code " we can't do much more " . or something like that . Why Ubisoft don't corporate with GWX team , is for me a mystery .

LONG LIVE gwx 2,1/ 3.0 GOLD:rock:

[Task Force]

Sh4 is ok, but performance for me drops about 100FPS in sh4, im getting 180+ fps with the 16km environments, and 200+ FPS (sometimes around 300. FPS) without.:o

[XLjedi]

:o I don't know why people says SHIV have better graphics :o
I am totally agree with BBW that says it looks like cartoon:yep:


Respectfully... I just don't see an argument here.

Maybe by better graphics people are assuming you turn on/off various items, or install certain mods that improve the ocean. ...or maybe it's the real 3D damage modelling?

I just don't see where the "cartoon" label fits (even in the stock version). ...and I'm a long time SH3/GWX fan.

I'm only playing the stock SH4 at the moment and I would agree that the sky and ocean looks a little goofy. But I haven't seen anything (yet) that warrants a "cartoon" label.

I assume I can fix the ocean/sky with a mod or two...

[ReallyDedPoet]

SH4 Water in the beginning ( early stock ) was just fair, especially storm conditions, but modders have done wonders with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Syxx_Killer/SH4%20Shots/SH4Img2009-01-07_145744_140.jpg

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[Weiss Pinguin]

Wow :o

[StarLion45]

:o :o Jesus!!!!!!!!:o :o

:o What a sea!!!! :o :oops:

[Ping Panther]

I had bought a disk of SH4 just about the moment when it first came out. I loaded it in and had some pretty good frame rates, yet it looked very filtered over, almost hazey/pixellated (not speaking of in-game effects settings) to the point that it felt very "distant" to interact with. So, I had uninstalled SH4 soon after. Back to SH3/GWX3 & loving it all.

Just this past weekend, I had decided to make an adjustment to my system & give SH4 another install and try. Along the way I had heard for a while that ATI cards often suffer from the effects of their own Catalyst Control Center. So, with this potential problem in mind, I went ahead and cleaned out the CCC from my system. Following a registry clean, I re-installed my old SH4, defragged disk, etc. WOW! ~ :D :up: ;)
I am bound for the Pacific fleet!

[mookiemookie]

I had bought a disk of SH4 just about the moment when it first came out. I loaded it in and had some pretty good frame rates, yet it looked very filtered over, almost hazey/pixellated (not speaking of in-game effects settings) to the point that it felt very "distant" to interact with. So, I had uninstalled SH4 soon after. Back to SH3/GWX3 & loving it all.

Just this past weekend, I had decided to make an adjustment to my system & give SH4 another install and try. Along the way I had heard for a while that ATI cards often suffer from the effects of their own Catalyst Control Center. So, with this potential problem in mind, I went ahead and cleaned out the CCC from my system. Following a registry clean, I re-installed my old SH4, defragged disk, etc. WOW! ~ :D :up: ;)
I am bound for the Pacific fleet!

That could also be the post processing effects option in SH4. For some reason it added this grainy movie like look to the game. Most of the supermods remove it, but here's a standalone mod for it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=114496&highlight=post+processing

[piri_reis]

:o :o Jesus!!!!!!!!:o :o

:o What a sea!!!! :o :oops:

It's a screenshot game. The sea is just beautiful in those shots, but in the game it moves like jelly. Not even close to looking natural, the older generation SH3 water right now looks a lot better to me. (Perhaps its my gfx card..)

[Ping Panther]

Thanks mookie, I will take a look at that thread.

I have a nice, super crisp view and gameplay already since my ATI CCC adjustment/removal. I will look forward to adding PE4, etc., very soon. As far as that SH4 post-process checkbox goes, that's just too much effect fuss for real patrols.

[AVGWarhawk]

Cartoony?

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/SH4Img2008-01-19_201647_531.jpg

The crew looks cartoony. I can't argue there. Everything else that has been modded...you tell me how this pic looks. I do not spend my time looking at my crew so the cartoon guys don't matter to me. They do look better than the chiseled crew in SH3. Just a matter of taste I guess.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/SH4Img2008-04-03_185339_968.jpg

[StarLion45]

:o The sea where your ship breaking in half , are still looking ugly :o Sorry.
No seas shining like that :huh:
:-? In the 2nd picture the sea looks like oilpainting , terrible .:nope: :nope:
I can't understand and figure out , what ubisoft was thinking , when they make the SH4 :stare:
:-? Sorry , but the sea look really strange . I live by the sea in Norway , and it sure
doesn't look like that:shifty: I'm not convinced:roll:

[Fincuan]

StarLion, just google water+sun and look at some of the pics. The Norvegian water might be different, but the water elsewhere sure seems to do that.

http://www.imagekandi.com/photo/images/SunLight-On-The-Water.jpg

[StarLion45]

:o Eeeh uh:o :oops: :oops: :oops:

:p

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7135/screenshotendretiq3playjd6.jpg :sunny: :rotfl:

[Weiss Pinguin]

I know the feeling Starlion :rotfl:

[Carotio]

Norway is not that far away from Denmark, so I enclose some of my own photos made in the end of June from about 7-10 in the evening. And I think that the current environmental mods for SH4 catches that view pretty well, given the circumstance that it's still just a game, and not total realistic. But still, I think it looks far more real than SH3 ever did.
Of course, pc hardware has something to do with the view as well. Having had a top notch high end pc for the last 2 years does the trick for me.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00846.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00868.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00873.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00874.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00875.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00876.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00889.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00892.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00911.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00973.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/Photos/DSC00974.jpg

However, it sometimes feels against all odds to discuss opinions with someone from the opposite view...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/Carotio/FunnyStuff/LarsonGifted.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

[Torplexed]

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.
Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees. ;)

[joegrundman]

this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing.

But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first.

still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often

overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun

[AVGWarhawk]

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.
Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees. ;)


Hehe...true:D

[AVGWarhawk]

this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing.

But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first.

still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often

overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun

Been a long time since I played SH3 and can not recall the rough weather water to be honest. Not knowing much about modding files, I can say that PE4 and Env 5.0 has done wonders with water reaction/action, color and sea foam. I guess for me seeing INTO the water makes the difference for me. But you know what, water is great and all but it is really about game play as you touched on in your last sentence. So mods like GWX, RFB, TMO, OM that really put forth all efforts to make the game play aspect as best that it can be really make the experience what it is. Each game has it's strong points and perhaps one day UBI will compact it all together!

[bigboywooly]

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.
Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees. ;)

I have a " proper " VIIC in that water
Still looks the same water with a decent sub in it

:rotfl:

IMHO of course

[Faamecanic]

Yes yes yes... SH4 graphics are FAR superior to SH3. I bought SH4 when it first came out, and played it after each patch...and the conclusion I reached

It cannot hold a candle to SH3 with GWX.

I lost interest in SH4 when I kept getting the same mission/patrol grid over and over and over... even after the patch, and even after throughly completing the missions to include docking at my home base. The second spoiler was the sub acted like it was on a rail in stormy seas. Very little pitching and rolling, coming 3/4 of the way out of the water like it was the "flying dutchman". I havent touched SH4 in over a year now and did not even feel like it was worth the $10-$15 US to get the Uboat expansion. Maybe I will in the future...but for now GWX just holds my attention. Graphics are only 30% of a game IMHO....gameplay and AI are the rest.

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

[XLjedi]

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

[bigboywooly]

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.
Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

I have the uboat exp and dont find that at all
And yes have tried mods - have OM on one of my SH4 installs

Again my opinion
And as someone once said
Opinions are like Ãssholes ,everybody has one :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Now keep in mind..I havent tried any of the mods for SH4 except for less traffic reports (enemy traffic reports that are 600 nm away is a bit rediculous too) and the Green Buttons mod.

Nah... if you don't have the uboat expansion you're missing the better half of the experience. The game has far more depth than SH3/GWX. SH3 AI is too scripted... SH3 patrols are monotonous by comparison.

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

[Fincuan]

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

That would depend mostly on the mod used. For example TMO's "Elite" AI is impossible to shake. Your only chances of survival are to kill him, or hope he runs out of depth charges before scoring a hit on you. I'd say SH4 AI is more dynamic in general, but you still learn pretty much all the tricks after a few careers.

[XLjedi]

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

SH3 is far FAR easier... but I'm referring to the detect and evade AI related to the ship captains and you're probably thinking about just the DD's. In SH3 I can even use the standard "S" pattern evade reaction to my advantage.

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.

[Jimbuna]

Which AI in your opinion is the easier :hmm:

SH3 is far FAR easier... but I'm referring to the detect and evade AI related to the ship captains and you're probably thinking about just the DD's. In SH3 I can even use the standard "S" pattern evade reaction to my advantage.

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Weiss Pinguin]

Not intended to be a GWX jab, you guys can't mod what simply doesn't exist. The destroyer AI can be modded in SH4 but the ship AI can't be modded in SH3.
If only the SDK was released... :(

[XLjedi]

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Just play the uboat expansion (like 1 or 2 missions out of Penang) without any mods and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now I need you all to get busy on porting over the Type II and VIIC!

[A Very Super Market]

BBW

I don't have any to say about anything in this thread so here I go.

I think the line is from Platoon, said by Dr. Cox, I mean, Sgt. O'Neill. Except that it went "Excuses are like *******s" instead.


Yeah, this is shameless spam. :P

[XLjedi]

I have the uboat exp and dont find that at all
And yes have tried mods - have OM on one of my SH4 installs


Have you noticed no difference in evasive maneuvers?
...or the progressive mission objectives?
...or finding targets with air support?

I haven't even installed a mod and the SH3 ships are just 1 dimensional in comparison. Like shooting at lemmings marching to their death. It's kinda boring.

And that's all aside from the fact that SH3 looks like total crap on my 22" monitor. The hi-res hack sorta works... only it distorts the map tools if you try to use it with a widescreen resolution, so all your calcs are screwed up.

Granted, there are still things about it I don't like, but the good far outweighs the bad.
(call me crazy, I liked the SH3 crew management better)

[Weiss Pinguin]

Really? I wish there was a way to implement an automatic watch system in SH3. (Maybe optional?) Having to change out the crew manually wears me down after a while. Even though in SH4 your crew is always tired, at least it's not your fault. :lol:


Ah well.

[Jimbuna]

I have the uboat exp and dont find that at all
And yes have tried mods - have OM on one of my SH4 installs


Have you noticed no difference in evasive maneuvers?
...or the progressive mission objectives?
...or finding targets with air support?

I haven't even installed a mod and the SH3 ships are just 1 dimensional in comparison. Like shooting at lemmings marching to their death. It's kinda boring.

And that's all aside from the fact that SH3 looks like total crap on my 22" monitor. The hi-res hack sorta works... only it distorts the map tools if you try to use it with a widescreen resolution, so all your calcs are screwed up.

Granted, there are still things about it I don't like, but the good far outweighs the bad.
(call me crazy, I liked the SH3 crew management better)

Actually...it's the air support side that IMHO is unrealistic and spoils some of the positive aspects of the game.

I'm not too impressed with the GUI either.

[XLjedi]

I'm not too impressed with the GUI either.

I much prefer the SH3 GUI myself... that's one of the reasons why I was so happy to see the TDC dials back on the attack map with the uboat expansion. Still not sure what happened to the "I" key for looking at torpedo loadout though?

Easy to leave planes at the base if you don't care for em (probably the lesser of the 3 features that I mentioned anyway). I felt a little sad sending out a plane and losing contact with it.

[XLjedi]

Really? I wish there was a way to implement an automatic watch system in SH3. (Maybe optional?) Having to change out the crew manually wears me down after a while. Even though in SH4 your crew is always tired, at least it's not your fault. :lol:


Ah well.

I never really understood how people got tired swapping out the crew? You know you can double-click to swap out a whole section right? ...and the crew only gets tired with TC at 32x or below.

Biggest problem with crew mgmt in SH4 is I have no idea where we stand on repair progress.

[Ping Panther]

AaronB,
I have to agree on the lack of crew feedback on SH4 about repair status. This is one of my most recent :hmm: SH4 issues. The crew needs to shout out what's being done, much more like SH3. To look at your damage crew/damage control screen in SH4, and you could hardly tell if you are assigned at rest in silent running, or at full critical repairs. SH3 has the sub section image that gives you a more direct sense of damage zones, % of repairs, etc. Is there any SH4 mod. available for better crew repair replies?

[Weiss Pinguin]

Really? I wish there was a way to implement an automatic watch system in SH3. (Maybe optional?) Having to change out the crew manually wears me down after a while. Even though in SH4 your crew is always tired, at least it's not your fault. :lol:


Ah well.

I never really understood how people got tired swapping out the crew? You know you can double-click to swap out a whole section right? ...and the crew only gets tired with TC at 32x or below.

Biggest problem with crew mgmt in SH4 is I have no idea where we stand on repair progress.
Eh, I just have my crews set up for each compartment, and everytime I double click to let SH3 sort them out the game always picks the most worn-out crewmembers. :damn:

Also hated the repair screen in SH4. Not sure why Ubi decided to ditch the perfectly fine schematics-type screen.

[Faamecanic]

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Just play the uboat expansion (like 1 or 2 missions out of Penang) without any mods and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now I need you all to get busy on porting over the Type II and VIIC!

So are you saying with the Uboat mod (the one you purchase right?) makes 1) the AI better and 2) fixes the never ending same missions over and over (that was the number 1 killer of SH4 for me).

If yes to both I will be purchasing the mod when I get bored with GWX3 and will try it.

[XLjedi]

I think I'm going to have to try and set some free time aside to try some of the mods I keep reading of....thanks for the reasoned response http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Just play the uboat expansion (like 1 or 2 missions out of Penang) without any mods and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Now I need you all to get busy on porting over the Type II and VIIC!

So are you saying with the Uboat mod (the one you purchase right?) makes 1) the AI better and 2) fixes the never ending same missions over and over (that was the number 1 killer of SH4 for me).

If yes to both I will be purchasing the mod when I get bored with GWX3 and will try it.

Well the ship AI evade logic is far superior. So yes to item 1. In SH3 the ships don't even have AI evade logic, they just continue on course in a very predictable "S" pattern.

I believe they fixed that repetitive mission bug in a patch that pre-dated the uboat addon (like 1.3 or 1.4) the uboat addon brings you up to patch 1.5 and includes all previous patches. So I'm pretty sure that's a yes on item 2 as well.

I wouldn't buy the DL version though... I'd just get the SH4 Gold edition so you have a nice patched up version all on a disk.

[MarkShot]

Just curious. (I have SH4 and SH4 add-on, but not installed.) I recall the jelly water affects of SH4 which looked really bad. Has that been fixed in 1.5 or with TMO or RFB?

I recall that SH4 had a replay capabilitity, but I did not really test it out.

One problem I have with SH3/GWX is that the graphics (external) are absolutely stunning. On the other hand, I know that I should really stay inside the ship. Is it possible in SH4/TMO or SH4/RFB to stay inside the ship, but later when the action is over watch how a torpedo attack on a convoy looked or the watch the follow on DE hunt for your sub?

Thanks.

[XLjedi]

Just curious. (I have SH4 and SH4 add-on, but not installed.) I recall the jelly water affects of SH4 which looked really bad. Has that been fixed in 1.5 or with TMO or RFB?

Yeah, still looks like jello in 1.5 with my nVidia cards... and the clouds are zoomin sometimes too. Makes me keep double checking to see if I'm on 8x TC.

Don't know if the environmental mod I've heard folks speak of addresses it or not.


I recall that SH4 had a replay capabilitity, but I did not really test it out.

One problem I have with SH3/GWX is that the graphics (external) are absolutely stunning. On the other hand, I know that I should really stay inside the ship. Is it possible in SH4/TMO or SH4/RFB to stay inside the ship, but later when the action is over watch how a torpedo attack on a convoy looked or the watch the follow on DE hunt for your sub?

Thanks.

That is an excellent question, and I think the answer is yes. But I only played with it once and I recall that it didn't work exactly as I suspected it would.

For instance I didn't know that you would be allowed (at any point in the replay) to assume control and start playing from that point. I remember pausing the replay or trying to fast fwd and then I found a spot I wanted to watch and when I chose (what I thought was) "play" it put me in command of the boat and I couldn't get back to replay mode. So I'll have to try that again...