America 'Disintegrates' in 2010

[Onkel Neal]

I figured I would post this before "someone" else does. :smug: It's interesting, although I have to laugh at the idea of a civil war brought on by "moral degredation". Anyway, please discuss with a little civility. We don't want a flame war here to trigger the collapse of the world's oldest democracy. ;)

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.


Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.


LINK: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html)


http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AO116_RUSPRO_NS_20081228191715.gif


At least we will still have Tex-Mex in the Lone Star State :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

This is very far fetched.

[HunterICX]

:hmm:At last we dutch can have New York City back! :smug: ''Muhahahahaha''

HunterICX

[Task Force]

The area where I live might join Europe. cool.:lol:

[fatty]

We get Wisconsin? You gotta be kidding me!

[SteamWake]

LOL hey thats a map from the game "Shattered Union" :p

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/SUmap.jpg

Plagerisim !!! :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Digital_Trucker]

The Texas Republic? I think this guys been smoking a little too much wacky tobacky:D There's no way that New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia are going to become part of Mexico and Texas has already been reclaimed by Mexico (at least as far North as San Antonio).

[Task Force]

Yea, Those two maps look eerily similar.:yep::lol: (well there is a difference in shapes of the different thingy s.)

I also wonder what makes this guy think this, I guess he had a dream.

[TDK1044]

So this is Silent Hunter 5. I wondered what all the fuss was about. Cool idea, Dan! :D

[Raptor1]

This was posted a while ago, wasn't it?

I still think it's damn similar to the Crimson Skies universe

[Jimbuna]

Wishful thinking by the Russians if you ask me :lol:

Besides, we can't afford to take back any of the US these days....it's nigh on impossible supporting ourselves :p

[Oberon]

I have images of Rancho Subsim being converted to the Alamo. :up:

[SteamWake]

Wishful thinking by the Russians if you ask me :lol:

Closer to truth than you might realize.

[mookiemookie]

If he thinks New York and New England would allow Kentucky and Tennessee into their union, he has zero understanding of American culture. And Texas would just say screw it, we're a Republic again. We wouldn't have anything to do with Oklahoma.

Looks like this guy got the idea from a game of Risk. :roll:

[antikristuseke]

This is about as bloody likely as me and SUBMAN1 agreeing on politics, religion and science.

[Dread Knot]

I'm fairly certain North Dakota is already part of Canada.

South Carolina happily in Europe with New England and friends? Rigggghhht. This guy never read any American Civil War history.

[Foxtrot]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm fairly certain North Dakota is already part of Canada.

South Carolina happily in Europe with New England and friends? Rigggghhht. This guy never read any American Civil War history.

Dread, they're not even a real country anyway.:roll: :lol:

[Biggles]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:


And nothing spices up things better than a bloody real civil war!:arrgh!:

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Such crackpots are always there, but at least the guy is brave, one has to give him that. Most people would at least have waffled a bit. Say "sometime in the next ten years" or even muffier than that. Pinning his prediction down to less than a month's span?

In the unlikely event that it actually happens sometime, he'll be a visionary of a sort.

In the impossible event it actually happens on schedule, he deserves a Nobel Prize, because he'll have found a way to scientifically calculate the effects of countless psychological, sociological and economic factors and integrate them into a highly accurate model.

In a sense, I almost wish he's right, because then it'll be one huge step for socialscience. Overnight it'll have gotten out of the "soft science" category and into the hard.

But then, if he's right, we are really screwed. While there are many nations that want to see America get pulled down from its leader spot, I don't think any nation in the world is ready for America to go down in 2010.

Fortunately, he's just a crackpot...

[AVGWarhawk]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:

So, which one of these do you cover?

[A Very Super Market]

I'm insulted. Why do we get the states that no one cares about? The midwest is like one big Saskatchewan, except for Wisconsin, which is known to be made entirely of cheese. We have enough cheese.

[geetrue]

This is why we have to take Russia serious no matter what they or their spokesmen say. Sure we can laugh at the thoughts of Mexico taking any portion of the USA back, but we can't laugh at the fact that this is what our enemy wants.


The only civil war I see is when they try to take our guns away ... door to door searches would become very unhealthy for the authorities. :yep:

[Digital_Trucker]

... door to door searches would become very unhealthy for the authorities. :yep:

Kinda like when the revenuers came after the moonshiners.:D

[Aramike]

To predict a civil war is one thing. To pretend that you know the exact outcome of said war, and the result of redrawn borders is entirely different.

Not sure if I'd use the term "crackpot". More likely he's just trying to get some attention or retain his relevency in Putin's New Old Russia.

The funny thing is that, when this DOESN'T happen in 2010, no one will remember to post him up on it.

Oh, and oddly enough, that while I think the good professor's a media whore, I ALSO think that we are, as a nation, teetering on a precipice. While I highly doubt that any civil war will occur, I do find it likely that states will eventually begin reasserting their Constitutional powers, rendering the beast that has grown to be the Federal Government nearly completely ineffective (as opposed to its current state of nearly completely ineffective, right? :know: ).

It's just getting too damned partisan out there.

[longam]

Shouldn't Florida be ruled by Cuba?

[AntEater]

To spin this a little further:
East Coast = either 13 colonies or a rebirth of the confederacy...
Florida goes to Cuba, mainly because the cubans are tired of boat people trying to land in Cuba.
Mexico tries to annex Texas but fails due to heroic texas resistance, but takes back New Mexico, Arizona etc.
The flagship of the Texas navy, 100+ year old RTS (ex USS) Texas renders valuable gunfire support to the defenders of houston, then sinks entire mexican navy in the battle of Galveston.
Louisiana becomes some kind of a voodocracy like Haiti under "Papa Doc"
Arnie declares independence for California, is elected as president for life and changes the Name to Federal Republic of Kalifornia.
Hawaii becomes a japanese prefecture and base to the new carrier fleet of the newly renamed imperial japanese navy.
Alaska rejoins the russian Federation, due to good diplomacy by Sarah Palin.
In her honor, Juneau is renamed into Palinsk.
An evanglical sect tries to take over the North Dakota missile fields in order to bring about the end of the world, but is twarted by canadian special forces.
Shortly after, Canada and Kalifornia clash violently over Washington State.
In the second battle of Seattle, heroic troops comprised of the Seattle grunge brigade, the San Francisco Rainbow brigade combat team, the Berkeley Red Banner division and the elite Kalifornia Kommandos hold out against superior canadian forces and ultimately hold the city. Due to chaos, Bigfoots scavenge in abandoned seattle suburbs.
The new confederacy reaches an agreement with the northern states to divide the Atlantic Fleet and regarding the further lease of Norfolk as a naval base.
The new confederacy also adapts the Euro :P

[Dread Knot]

The entire population of the midwest is probably greater than that of Canada combined. Who is joining who? :lol: Maybe they'll move their capital from Ottawa to Fond du Lac. ;)

[SteamWake]

Shouldn't Florida be ruled by Cuba?

South Florida from Homestead up to about West Palm Beach.

[Task Force]

To spin this a little further:
East Coast = either 13 colonies or a rebirth of the confederacy...
Florida goes to Cuba, mainly because the cubans are tired of boat people trying to land in Cuba.
Mexico tries to annex Texas but fails due to heroic texas resistance, but takes back New Mexico, Arizona etc.
The flagship of the Texas navy, 100+ year old RTS (ex USS) Texas renders valuable gunfire support to the defenders of houston, then sinks entire mexican navy in the battle of Galveston.
Louisiana becomes some kind of a voodocracy like Haiti under "Papa Doc"
Arnie declares independence for California, is elected as president for life and changes the Name to Federal Republic of Kalifornia.
Hawaii becomes a japanese prefecture and base to the new carrier fleet of the newly renamed imperial japanese navy.
Alaska rejoins the russian Federation, due to good diplomacy by Sarah Palin.
In her honor, Juneau is renamed into Palinsk.
An evanglical sect tries to take over the North Dakota missile fields in order to bring about the end of the world, but is twarted by canadian special forces.
Shortly after, Canada and Kalifornia clash violently over Washington State.
In the second battle of Seattle, heroic troops comprised of the Seattle grunge brigade, the San Francisco Rainbow brigade combat team, the Berkeley Red Banner division and the elite Kalifornia Kommandos hold out against superior canadian forces and ultimately hold the city. Due to chaos, Bigfoots scavenge in abandoned seattle suburbs.
The new confederacy reaches an agreement with the northern states to divide the Atlantic Fleet and regarding the further lease of Norfolk as a naval base.
The new confederacy also adapts the Euro :P

Task Force moves to a europe to get away from the american bull because of america splitting up, but in the end lands on a nice island and starts his own nation called (The people wanting to get away from all the american bull. aka TPWTGAFAB):rotfl:

[Takeda Shingen]

I shall welcome our new European overlords so long as they can put some decent beers in the bars.

[FIREWALL]

I like Asian food. :yep:

[stew278]

We get Wisconsin? You gotta be kidding me!

Nothing wrong with Wisconsin, I grew up there, it's a great place. Now Ohio on the other hand.....

[SUBMAN1]

China? I don't want anything to do with China! Ughh! :o

-S

[Biggles]

Oh well, hell will freeze over before this happens anyway:88)

[Task Force]

Oh well, hell will freeze over before this happens anyway:88)

I just phoned ant Edna, she said its getting really cold down there, she said its some new kind of punishment.:rotfl:

[Task Force]

China? I don't want anything to do with China! Ughh! :o

-S

Almost everything you buy is made there.:lol::yep:

[SUBMAN1]

I can tell you one thing - this guy doesn't understand our states very well. Good luck getting Idaho, or Arizona, or even Nevada or Utah to hook up with a 'Socialist' country. :D :p Not even Canada would suffice for them.

-S

[Digital_Trucker]

The entire population of the midwest is probably greater than that of Canada combined. Who is joining who? :lol: Maybe they'll move their capital from Ottawa to Fond du Lac. ;)
Having nothing better to do, I decided to verify your claim.:D If the capitol should be moved to the state that is most populated, then the capitol would be in Springfield, IL.

As of 7/2008 the estimated population of Canada was 33,212,696 and the estimated population of the states that Canada would be joining was 73,002,012.

[Frame57]

So saving confederate money was a good idea after all.....I'm gonna be rich....:yep:

[Task Force]

So saving confederate money was a good idea after all.....I'm gonna be rich....:yep:

Yay, better go buy confederate money in stock.:p

[Frame57]

So saving confederate money was a good idea after all.....I'm gonna be rich....:yep:

Yay, better go buy confederate money in stock.:pYep! Gonna git me one of them duke boy cars and one of those daisy duke girls and eat lots of fried food...Nah! What did i buy a house in Arkansas for???:hmm:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Texas becomes part of Mexico ?:o I think not. :roll:

Texas is like the Clint Eastwood of states. You don't ******* with Texas. Especially if you're Mexico.

[A Very Super Market]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...

[SteamWake]

More likely he's just trying to get some attention or retain his relevency in Putin's New Old Russia.

Ding ! :up:

He wins the thread.

[SUBMAN1]

More likely he's just trying to get some attention or retain his relevency in Putin's New Old Russia.
Ding ! :up:

He wins the thread.

Well of course! But its fun to speculate anyway. America is a little at odds with itself lately though.

-S

[Kapt Z]

Looks like someone has been playing RISK a little too much in their spare time.:lol:

[SUBMAN1]

I posted this on a forum with a bunch of people from AZ. They are all ticked off Kalifornia is in their group! :D :lol:

Sounds almost like they plan to annex them if it ever happened! :rotfl:

-S

[August]

This is all about Alaska. Notice that every other part is an "either" or a "may" but Alaska is "Will go to Russia" and Russia alone.

Russians get over it. You sold us Alaska. It ours now.

[SUBMAN1]

This is all about Alaska. Notice that every other part is an "either" or a "may" but Alaska is "Will go to Russia" and Russia alone.

Russians get over it. You sold us Alaska. It ours now.I noticed that too, but ignored it.

I bet this article should be best described as a wish list for Christmas 2010 for Russia. Too bad it can't happen for you guys.... We tried and all but ya know....

0S

[Task Force]

Wouldn't Alaska go to Canada?

[August]

Wouldn't Alaska go to Canada?

Apparently not according to this Russian guy.

[Task Force]

Wouldn't Alaska go to Canada?
Apparently not according to this Russian guy.

Dont believe the Russian guy! he is a impostor, acting like a scientist.

[A Very Super Market]

Does anyone here know about Point Roberts?

http://www.propertywrx.com/Point_Roberts.gif

Yeah, why isn't it part of Canada again?

[Schöneboom]

That Russian left out the Aliens! They get the entire planet!!!

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/kang-kodos.jpg

"Don't blame me -- I voted for Kodos!"

[geetrue]

Where does this leave the new bailout plan at?

[SUBMAN1]

Where does this leave the new bailout plan at?Sarcasm.... Hahahaha!

On that note, what bailout plan? What exactly did it accomplish anyway? It had absolutely no effect on the economy before, nor after it was passed.

Further proof the governments wishes that it can do something are as false as the moon being made of cheese.

They are good at throwing money around wildly though. They need to be fired.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...


5 times more people!? Well hell boys, I guess half of you can go home. :D

[FIREWALL]

I wonder how many drunken Crackpots have predicted this in the past. :roll:

Kinda like those Nutcases :doh: that walk around with a sign that says " REPENT " The world is comeing to an end. :rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...

5 times more people!? Well hell boys, I guess half of you can go home. :D

People forget the number of tanks and hardware stationed in this state. Remove nukes from the picture altogether. I'd love to see even Russia try! :D

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...

5 times more people!? Well hell boys, I guess half of you can go home. :D

People forget the number of tanks and hardware stationed in this state. Remove nukes from the picture altogether. I'd love to see even Russia try! :D

-S

That ain't half as important as the number of Texans we have stationed in this state:D Texans form a dispropotionately large number of armed services personnel, and I've been told that around half of the Marine Corps hails from Texas.
Even better, Texas is the world's leading producer of Texans, so watch out Mexico!

[Foxtrot]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:

So, which one of these do you cover?

oh! I favor for a native American as ze president.

[SandyCaesar]

Eh...he's got one part right. The little Los Angeles community that I live in is de facto part of Asia*, anyway.

*...Asian =/= Chinese. Important misconception! We have Mainlanders, Cantonese, and Taiwanese for three distinct variations of "Chinese", plus the Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, and Filipinos here that all qualify as Asians.

So...just which way will California go?:lol:

[A Very Super Market]

Everyone seems to assume that all Mainlander Chinese are the same. Well Pttpppph!

In the same that Germans are no French, Texans are not New Yorkers, and Londoners aren't Scots, different parts of China have completely different people. In 1 billion people, there are like 81 ethnic groups, the dominant one having a huge majority, but only genetically. If put socially, China may as well have more than a million.

Yeah, and calling someone Asian can range from Indian to Filipino.

[mookiemookie]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
And that goes triple for Texas. I think Mexico would have a hard time trying to invade a state full of pissed off rednecks.

[August]

Mexico has like, 5 times more people than Texas. This isn't the 19th century, Mexico could feasibly take over Texas if it was isolated like in that map.

Course, we'd have to take nukes out of the equation...
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
And that goes triple for Texas. I think Mexico would have a hard time trying to invade a state full of pissed off rednecks.


Not to mention the thousands of Yankees and midwesterners who would head down there to help out the Texans.

[AntEater]

But what about the Mexicans allready there?
They are almost as many as the Rednecks, and they have mexican passports so Mexico could implement the Medvedev doctrine
:rotfl:

[A Very Super Market]

I totally agree that Mexico (and all other nations) can't invade the current US. That being said, if the US broke up into all those pieces I'd expect even Texas to eventually fall. Bullets don't give a damn about how tough you are.



Edit: I wish I had typed this without the Chinese Sailor Avatar... :P

[Rockstar]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:

So, which one of these do you cover?

oh! I favor for a native American as ze president.


Ummm, If you are born here doesn't that make you native to it?

[FIREWALL]

I wonder how many drunken Crackpots have predicted this in the past. :roll:

Kinda like those Nutcases :doh: that walk around with a sign that says " REPENT " The world is comeing to an end. :rotfl:

Since you all didn't get it the first time around.

[OneToughHerring]

I vote: yes!

:)

[mr chris]

Man i would love some of what the Russian guy is drinking must be some real strong stuff.
Funny how the place where all the untapped fuel sources end up in Russia hands.
All Russia wants is to control as much of the worlds fuel supply that way it can hold the world to ransom.

[Aramike]

I totally agree that Mexico (and all other nations) can't invade the current US. That being said, if the US broke up into all those pieces I'd expect even Texas to eventually fall. Bullets don't give a damn about how tough you are.



Edit: I wish I had typed this without the Chinese Sailor Avatar... :PSomehow I don't think you've taken the bullets in Texas into account, here... :ping:

[mookiemookie]

I totally agree that Mexico (and all other nations) can't invade the current US. That being said, if the US broke up into all those pieces I'd expect even Texas to eventually fall. Bullets don't give a damn about how tough you are.



Edit: I wish I had typed this without the Chinese Sailor Avatar... :PSomehow I don't think you've taken the bullets in Texas into account, here... :ping:

Kind of what I was getting at with the Yamamoto quote. Guns are veeeeery popular down here.

[SandyCaesar]

Everyone seems to assume that all Mainlander Chinese are the same. Well Pttpppph!

In the same that Germans are no French, Texans are not New Yorkers, and Londoners aren't Scots, different parts of China have completely different people. In 1 billion people, there are like 81 ethnic groups, the dominant one having a huge majority, but only genetically. If put socially, China may as well have more than a million.

Yeah, and calling someone Asian can range from Indian to Filipino.

As a Nanjing Mainlander myself I couldn't agree more. Heck, you should hear the different accents in my Mandarin class. :o

But yeah, if any part of China tried to assimilate us crazy Californians, that would be their downfall. The rest of the US barely understands us anyway after 150 years; so good luck with any other country.:smug:

[OneToughHerring]

Kind of what I was getting at with the Yamamoto quote. Guns are veeeeery popular down here.
Guns are...popular? I don't think it's the popularity of guns that makes a place difficult to conquer, or a tough opponent in war. My country (Finland) has conscription which means that even the most measly looking accountant dude knows how to take out a tank, or how to assemble and operate an assault rifle. Somehow I don't think fancying guns really measures up in a real situation.

[August]

Hope to see some change.
America is now quite boring now. All jingoists, "God, Jesus" chanting, flag waving morons...:hmm:
So, which one of these do you cover?
oh! I favor for a native American as ze president.

Ummm, If you are born here doesn't that make you native to it?

It does. He's just being racist although he probably doesn't realize it.

[Iceman]

So all our entire nuclear arsenal never comes into play whatsoever...man this person clearly does not learn from history....aren't we the only country that has actually dropped big bombs like this on another country?

I know missles would fly before this scenario ever played out and I would think the Soviets and China are a little brighter than to even consider such all out attacks....why attack when it is all for sale atm anyways...

[Aramike]

Kind of what I was getting at with the Yamamoto quote. Guns are veeeeery popular down here.
Guns are...popular? I don't think it's the popularity of guns that makes a place difficult to conquer, or a tough opponent in war. My country (Finland) has conscription which means that even the most measly looking accountant dude knows how to take out a tank, or how to assemble and operate an assault rifle. Somehow I don't think fancying guns really measures up in a real situation.Against the Mexican "Army", it probably would be more than enough.

Besides, a good amount of those people who are gun enthusiasts have also served.

Then again, let's assume that this idiot professor is correct and the nation splits according to his crystal ball. Why would we then go on to assume that Mexico would want to attack in the first place? Frankly, in that situation a foreign invader would be just what we'd need to reunite.

Oh, and remember: we do still have a massive military. It all just won't disappear.

[Digital_Trucker]

Indeed, why would Mexico want any part of the US. If they took it over, they wouldn't have anywhere to run away to.:D

[A Very Super Market]

Hell, given what the Europeans think of Americans, why would they want them?

For that matter, why would a stable, non-wartorn country thats been through much worse split up in the first place? I'm beginning to think this man has drank more vodka than normal...

[geetrue]

Indeed, why would Mexico want any part of the US? If they took it over, they wouldn't have anywhere to run away to.:D

Killer bee's take over Mexico and they all flee to the USA for sanity reasons vowing never to go back ... the State Department agree's they can stay as long as they have proof of a Mexican residency.

Forcing millions of illegals to return to Mexico long enough to qualify.

I'm not even drinking and it's New Years Eve ... Happy New Year :p

[AngusJS]

I like how the US will be split up: not along cultural or socio-economic lines, i.e. NYC separating from the rest of NY, but along state borders. Right. "We're destroying the union, but we MUST RETAIN its internal boundaries!"

However, being on the East Coast, I'd jump at the opportunity to join the EU. I don't think they'd have us, though.

There is alot of division in this country. In many ways I just don't understand my red state counterparts. Still, that doesn't mean a civil war is coming. We shouldn't secede from the Reds. Instead, we Blues should competely annihilate them in a surprise thermonuclear strike. The fallout won't bother us; we'll just fly over it like we usually do. :D

[SandyCaesar]

I like how the US will be split up: not along cultural or socio-economic lines, i.e. NYC separating from the rest of NY, but along state borders. Right. "We're destroying the union, but we MUST RETAIN its internal boundaries!"

:rock::up:
Quoted for truth!