X-box 360 vs. PS3: Pros & Cons

[Onkel Neal]

Our PS2 is growing long in the tooth, time draws near to get a newer console to play the newer games. I'm finding some games like DAH and Conan are PS3 or XBox 360 only. Which do you have (don't play consoles, fine, move along), what are the pros and cons, which has Blue ray, online, and wireless networking? Which one has the best games? Or the type of games we are likely to play? Ideas and opinions welcome.

thanks!
Neal

[danlisa]

I have always been a Playstation player but I shall try to be as objective as I can.

Not knowing what games you/your family like to play it will be hard to promote either console for your gaming needs. Trying to define the 'best games' is too hard. However, I can layout the major pros/cons of each.

Firstly, I need to explain a fairly major point which maybe instrumental in your decision. As you rightly said, some studios have released their games for either the XBox or PS3 solely. However, most have gone multiplatform to ensure they have titles on both formats should a clear console leader emerge. This has hurt the PS3 somewhat, due to the cutting edge architecture used by Sony, the studios found it too hard to code & utilise it's power efficiently. This has left the PS3 game market with shoddy ports.

To accurately judge each console on the merit of it's games, we must look at exclusive titles which were specifically coded & built for each console.

Lets start with the Pros/Cons of each:

Xbox Pros:
Cheap
Excellent Online Service
Larger Online community
Solid Games library
Offers Video download service

Xbox Cons:
Failure rate
Chargeable Online
No Blu-Ray
No Wireless Net
Have to purchase M$ branded addons (Hard drive)
Noisy & runs hot

IMHO the Xbox was primarily designed as a gaming console which is trying to compete in the Media Centre market now.

PS3 Pros:
Build Quality and repair/replacement plan if it should fail (to date most failures are Blu-ray lazer, ATM all FOC)
Free Online service (Playstation Network), for all services
PS3 is completely Plug & Play with any USB device (Keyboard, camera, memcards, webcam etc)
PS3 is BlueTooth compatible (headsets/keyboards)
PS3 is wired/wireless network enabled
Hard Drive is easily upgradeable in size (Sata 2.5in HDD any brand)
Native 1080p High Def
Remote play/start using PSP (allows you to switch on and access any/all media stored on the PS3 from any wifi hotspot)
Backwards Compatibilty (All PS1 games on any PS3 model & All PS2 titles on the original 60GB PS3, with Software enabled BC coming to the newer models)
Blu-Ray as standard
Quiet & runs cool
Wireless Printing to network printers
Ability to add Linux as an additional OS and all that that brings - word processing, graphics design, anything windows does.
Currently the US (SCEA) offer HD Video download service, with Play TV coming soon (ability to record HD FreeSat/FreeView while playing games, fully programmable with 7 day TV guide) EU already has Play TV but no VOD service.
Safest console - as yet uncracked and Virus resilient.
Ingame Music & Video recording is enabled but must be allowed but the studios for each title.
Video Chat with upto 6 people.

PS3 Cons:
Late to the market meaning the games library is still rather small in comparison to the XBox
Expensive - you get what you pay for ;)
Smaller Online community
Until studios learn the PS3 architecture, we will always get crappy ports.
More expensive games due to blu-ray build costs.
No forced ingame music.
No supplied HDMI cable (but they're v.cheap - HDMI capable TV required)

IMHO the PS3 is trying to accomplish being a Games Console & Media Server. It does both well but excels as a media server. My gut feeling is that the PS3 was primarily developed to get Blu-Ray into as many homes as possible to win that format war. Cynical? Maybe.

As a PS3 owner, I can say that I am more than happy with what my console can do and with what is planned for the PS3. I wouldn't change.

Games:
I will only talk about what I know and that is PS3 games, I'll leave the Xbox games to others.

I don't have a huge PS3 games library but these I do have (not including downloaded/digital purchases):
COD3 - Port
COD4 - Port
COD WaW - Port
Heavenly Sword - Exclusive
Uncharted - Exclusive
Resistance 1 - Exclusive
Resistance 2 - Exclusive
GTA 4
Valkyria Chronicles - Exclusive
Oblivion
Fallout 3
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Exclusive
Assassin's Creed
Burnout Paridise
Dead Space
Buzz Quiz - Exclusive
Mirrors Edge - PS3 developed (ported to others)
Folklore - Exclusive
Gran Turismo Prologue - Exclusive
Little Big Planet - Exclusive
Motor Storm - Exclusive
Motor Storm Pacific Rift - Exclusive
Ratchet & Clank Tools of Destruction - Exclusive
Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty - Exclusive
Warhawk - Exclusive

Hmm, bigger than I thought. LOL, no wonder the wife says I spend too much.:lol:

Anyway, to get an idea of the quality of proper PS3 games search out footage of Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo Prologue, Motor Storm Pacific Rift & (probably the best family game atm) Little Big Planet.

If you have anymore specific questions about the PS3, ask away.:up:

[Rilder]

Don't waste the money, computers are better. :p

[TheSatyr]

And eventually the 2 0r 3 volumes of FF13 will be coming out for the ps3. (FF is the only reason I bought a ps1,ps2 and ps3.). butttttttt,I don't think the next installment in the FF franchise is gonna be a ps3 exclusive. But I'd rather have the original ps3 version than a port.

Yeah yeah yeah,I'm babbling on,but it's 5am and i haven't been to sleep yet.

[danlisa]

And eventually the 2 0r 3 volumes of FF13 will be coming out for the ps3. (FF is the only reason I bought a ps1,ps2 and ps3.). butttttttt,I don't think the next installment in the FF franchise is gonna be a ps3 exclusive. But I'd rather have the original ps3 version than a port.

FF13 will be on the PS3 & Xbox (The PS3 version is finished, the Xbox version os holding up release) Neither will be a port, both are built from scratch using both consoles.

FF13 Versus will be a PS3 exclusive.

[Dowly]

Never tried any of them xbox's, but what I'm heard, it's PS3 all the way! :rock:

And some Yahtzee to the end:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3-Console-Rundown

[ajrimmer42]

It's PlayStation for me, always has been, always will be (unless MS do something absolutely unbelievable in the future, like make a good console). Uncharted beats any xbox exclusive (or should I say "Microsoft Exclusive", it's only a matter of time till Halo 3 comes to PC, all the other exclusives have) hands down, and I've never seen graphics like GT5 anywhere (even on PC). Plus the console doesn't break down, unless your an idiot like my mate, and put it on your living room carpet, it sucked up a load of dust and killed the BD drive, oh how we laughed. There's no extra charges either, it's all free, why would I want to pay for some naff online service like LIVE, how is it different from any other? The controller is nice and easy to use, the UI (or XMB) is great and I have to say the small choice of games doesn't bother me, has anyone else noticed that alot of the 360 games are just xbox/PS2 games? Oh and it looks good. All those shiny black curves... oooh :|\\.

Just call me Fanboy! :rotfl:

[mr chris]

Have always been a PlayStation guy.
Brought mine when i was on exercise in Canada last year.
Got a bargain at the time at the 40gb PS3 was about £400 in the UK.
I payed £350 for a 60GB PS3 with 2 controllers and 2 games.

It coming with a Blue Ray player is great if you have a Fully HD TV and want to watch Fully HD movies. Though the Blue Ray player is region coded.
So i want to buy Blue Ray DvD's i need to ship them from the States.

I cant really say much more about the PS3 than Dan has said above.
Other than that im very happy and impressed with it.
If you get one you wont be disappointed.

OT:
Even won a X-BOX 360 when it was released. Sold it to a guy at work for £250

[stabiz]

I dont own either, and probably never will, but there is one huge con for the XBox, and that is that it has no proper racing wheel.

[AJ!]

I would have to say the Xbox for a few reasons.

1. A much better controller. it is alot more comfy then the ps3 controller.

2. There are alot of great games on the xbox. it has a much bigger library then the ps3 and has some good exclusives.

3. The price. You can get an arcade bundle for about 120 quid which is fantastic value if your a light gamer. £160 for the works which is still cheap next to the ps3.

Also while the xbox has had some terrible problems with the red ring etc the new consoles have been rid of this problem and are alot more reliable.

[danlisa]

1) Debatable :lol: Which side do you butter your toast?
2) Agreed on the Xbox library but it was released nearly 2yrs before the PS3.
3) Agreed, it is cheaper and an excellent purchase but it lacks a Blu-Ray player. Add an additional BR player to the equation and you're in/above PS3 money.

Xbox reliability in on the up thanks to the latest batch with the smaller processors i.e less heat generation.

I will never rubbish anyone who has/or chooses a 360 but if it were me I would look at what's missing function wise and weigh up the fact that the new XBox is only just around the corner, whereas the PS3's lifespan is estimated to be until 2013/14.

@ Neal

On price of the PS3. Do not think 'bigger is better'. Currently in the US, 80GB & 160GB PS3 models are available.

Amazon lists:
80GB PS3 @ $399 - http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-80GB/dp/B001COU9I6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1230659777&sr=1-1
160GB PS3 @ $499 - http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-160-GB-Uncharted-Fortune-3/dp/B001ELI4S4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1230659777&sr=1-2

That's a $100 more for an additional 80GB of HDD space.:down: ;)

Think not!

Amazon lists:
320GB Sata 2.5 HDD @ $74.90 - http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Scorpio-2-5-inch-WD3200BEVT/dp/B0011U65F2/ref=pd_sbs_misc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1230659808&sr=8-8
:up:

There is absolutly no difference between these two models, other than HDD space.

[TinCanWolf]

I have both systems:

PS3 - 60gig system, older version with backwards compatibility. It is hooked up to my internet wirelessly down in the basement. Paid $600 for it.

360 - 20gig system - Currently not hooked up to the internet because I refuse to pay $100 for a wireless adapter, and it pains me to pay any sort of fee for LIVE which is marginally better than PSN at best. Mine isn't hooked up because I'm terrified the thing is going to burn out, which is stupid, but the lack of quality that went into the consoles is a joke.

As for as usability goes there isn't a huge difference. I liked the 360s interface more at first, but I recommend you don't update to the new user interface as it is overly complicated and IMO is an actual downgrade from the original.

Blue Ray > regular DVD. No argument.

A PS3 can use USB sticks, but for some reason (oh wait $$$) the 360 cannot despite being developed by Microsoft. In order to transfer updates, downloads, or whatever from a PC to the 360 one must by the transfer kit which is I think $100. So even without an equal HDD, rechargable batteries for the controler + a charger, or a HD upgrade to it's movie capabilities the 360 is actually behind the price of the PS3. It's probably equal with the recent price drops, but with the continued ignorance to the failure rate of the systems I don't know that I'd purchase a 360 if I already hadn't.

I bought the 360 for Ace Combat when I found out 6 wouldn't be coming to the PS3. However, since I don't really enjoy shooters on consoles the only other game I own for it is Madden, and that's because my buddy and I have a Franchise going at his house, and I didn't want to deal with memorizing 2 different controls.

I would have gladly paid $600 for a 360 if it had the same quality as the PS3 and had many of those nickle and dime features built in like they should have been. I know I sound like a PS3 fan boy, but in reality I'm more peeved about being consistantly ripped off than anything.

[darius359au]

PS3 for me , The biggest advantage that sold it for me, was the home entertainment aspect - for $600au I got one of the cheapest and best Blueray players on the market (Also easiest to upgrade the firmware too , just DL from sony ,stick it on a USB key and update to get new features) , combined with a latest gen games console :up:.

@Danlisa pretty much covered all the other goodness.

[SUBMAN1]

...3) Agreed, it is cheaper and an excellent purchase but it lacks a Blu-Ray player. Add an additional BR player to the equation and you're in/above PS3 money....

Why wouldn't you buy a BR player too anyway? The last thing you would buy a PS/3 for is the gimmicky BR player. You need a 'decent' BR player, unless you like cheap decoders, cheap A/D converters, and anything else you want cheap. Might work if you used an alternate decoder, but that's way more money than many people would want to spend when they can just buy a decent BR player.

-S

[darius359au]

...3) Agreed, it is cheaper and an excellent purchase but it lacks a Blu-Ray player. Add an additional BR player to the equation and you're in/above PS3 money....

Why wouldn't you buy a BR player too anyway? The last thing you would buy a PS/3 for is the gimmicky BR player. You need a 'decent' BR player, unless you like cheap decoders, cheap A/D converters, and anything else you want cheap. Might work if you used an alternate decoder, but that's way more money than many people would want to spend when they can just buy a decent BR player.

-S

The Bluray player on the ps3 is neither cheap or gimmicky , its one of the best players on the market!

These are just a few reviews after doing a google search on reviews on the ps3 Bluray player , you'd be hard pressed to find one that says its rubbish or you'd be better off getting a stand alone player.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/127892/burning_questions_ps3the_bluray_movie_experience.h tml

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/63973/sony-playstation-3-with-blu-ray-remote-import-v193.html

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/sony-ps3-review-1129.shtml

[SUBMAN1]

Look at your sources. A computer mag is not a good source for audio/video.

Obviously we live in two different worlds. No offense, but your idea of a good DVD player probably costs a $100. My idea is about $1000. And mine does.

I should point out, that as a basic low quality player, the PS/3 is not bad, but that fan nor its quality will ever find its way into my stereo cabinet. I can't stand the noise from its decoder, nor its actual audible fan.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Here is the current rev of my Proc:

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/386267.html

It can handle Blu-Ray decoding as well. Not sure I feel like dumping $2200 to upgrade mine at the moment since mine is identical minus Blu-Ray support. The front you couldn't tell the difference, though the rear is a bit different - I seem to have more inputs for everything but HDMI. Still feel like waiting to see where the Blu-Ray market goes. It's not taking off like I originally thought.

This way I could probably buy the cheapest Blu-Ray player there is and just transfer everything to the Proc to be decoded. Still looking....

-S

http://www.rotel.com/images/managed/productimages/fullsize/home%20theater%20components/rsp1069.jpg

http://www.rotel.com/images/managed/productimages/fullsize/home%20theater%20components/rsp1069-back.jpg

[darius359au]

Look at your sources. A computer mag is not a good source for audio/video.

Obviously we live in two different worlds. No offense, but your idea of a good DVD player probably costs a $100. My idea is about $1000. And mine does.

-S

1 computer mag , the other links are A/V and if you did a search yourself you'd find lots more , just because you payed a ludicrous amount for somethings means nothing , I payed $3000 for a HD LCD TV 3 years ago and Ive just upgraded to the latest model of the same brand for $1500 - prices drop as more people buy something and you get improvements in the quality at the same time,Though ,I wouldnt touch a $100 dvd if you paid me;)

What I might suggest , is you find a store that can give you a demo of the PS3's Bluray on a decent home theatre setup and check it out , I think you might be suprised at the results;)

[SUBMAN1]

1 computer mag , the other links are A/V and if you did a search yourself you'd find lots more , just because you payed a ludicrous amount for somethings means nothing , I payed $3000 for a HD LCD TV 3 years ago and Ive just upgraded to the latest model of the same brand for $1500 - prices drop as more people buy something and you get improvements in the quality at the same time,Though ,I wouldnt touch a $100 dvd if you paid me;)

What I might suggest , is you find a store that can give you a demo of the PS3's Bluray on a decent home theatre setup and check it out , I think you might be suprised at the results;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its bad.

For one though, I have played with the PS3 and the one thing that annoys me above all others is the FAN!!!!

Besides, there is a different level of guts / internals / power supply isolation, etc. that goes into decent equipment. A dedicated machine will be designed to minimize these things, that is if they aren't designing on the cheap.

The fan alone should enough to discourage anyone from buying it as a movie player though unless they want to leave the feeling of story / disbelief behind.

Fans are not needed. I have easy 1500 WATTS+ online without one fan present. It can be done.

-S

PS. For HQ components, I wouldn't read either of those mags.

[ajrimmer42]

Hmm, what model did you try? On my 60gb, the fans are hardly noticable, even less so when you're emersed in a game, or a film, and you can't hear them over the audio anyway. And if you can it's just a good excuse to crank the volume up!

[d@rk51d3]

PS3 here too. For most of the above reasons.

The one gripe I have is the lack of DLC support for many titles. (oblivion, fallout, GTA......)

The 360 seems to have a bonus in this area.

[danlisa]

PS3 here too. For most of the above reasons.

The one gripe I have is the lack of DLC support for many titles. (oblivion, fallout, GTA......)

The 360 seems to have a bonus in this area.

Yep, M$ has paid to have the DLC on the 360 first BUT it has already been confirmed that Fallout 3 & GTA 4 DLC will be coming to the PS3. IIRC the exact words were "Financial agreements have a time limit".;)

Although it sucks having to wait, I can wait for DLC. If the same was happening for game patches then I'd be fuming.

[d@rk51d3]

It's a pity they can't (won't) patch the vampire cure glitch in the Oblivion GOTY version. That can really screw up your game.:down:



I guess the next question is:

What's everybody's PSN ID?

mine: r33c13b0y

[mr chris]

Mine is treblein99

[goldorak]

Don't waste the money, computers are better. :p

*, where else are you going to play SH I/II/III/IV ? :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Hmm, what model did you try? On my 60gb, the fans are hardly noticable, even less so when you're emersed in a game, or a film, and you can't hear them over the audio anyway. And if you can it's just a good excuse to crank the volume up!A few different ones. At least one was a 60GB as well.

And the fans are loud to me. Clarity is more important than volume. I don't have up to 1500 WATTS on demand to go loud, but to support a massive dynamic range.

And there is not one fan in my entire stereo cabinet. You can also crank the volume control on my stereo to max without signal and you will have complete silence - no external interference noise.

I'm guessing the PS3's fans according to reports, cranks up pretty badly after 30 minutes to an hour into a Blu-Ray. People are complaining that its so loud that they can hear it over simple audio dialog from the movie. So it seems I am not the only one.

-S

PS. As long as you aren't playing a game, or watching a movie, this won't happen to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aad-tAx1DU0

My old fan on my video card couldn't even get that loud.

Here is a another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NPxVNMwZQ


PPS. Typical forum questions:

I heard good things about how silent the PS3 was, but since I bought a 60GB about 6 weeks ago im finding the fan very loud. No matter what im doing, playing a game, watching a film, or just simply leaving the console on, the fan will come on and become loud after about 10 minutes. The fan can clearly be heard over films. Also the fan doesnt quieten down until I turn the console off. The top (right hand side) also becomes hot to touch.

[goldorak]

The worst thing is that new top of the line blu-ray players come with fans. :damn: :damn:
Hi-fi or video equipment should have zero fans (1st golden rule :D ).
Thats why they use such big enclosures in the first place. To be able to dissipate heat without the use of fans, which in any case add background noise thats disturbing to say the least when you are watching a movie or listening to quiet dialog.

[danlisa]

^ Both of those 40GB models have been put into their 'clean' cycle. The 40/80GB models both have the option of running their fans at high speed for around 5mins to expel gathered dust. Proven and added in FW 2.0. If those PS3's were actually running like that during normal use, they would automatically shut down to prevent further damage. The interwebs is full of scaremongering.

My 60GB launch model is coming up for 2 years old and it's never loud to the extent that's it's audible above any content I'm playing.

Hell, I've been on my PS3 most of the afternoon and I'm actually posting this from it now and the loudest thing I can hear is my 7 month daughter snoring 2 rooms away.

[SUBMAN1]

^ Both of those 40GB models have been put into their 'clean' cycle. The 40/80GB models both have the option of running their fans at high speed for around 5mins to expel gathered dust. Proven and added in FW 2.0. If those PS3's were actually running like that during normal use, they would automatically shut down to prevent further damage. The interwebs is full of scaremongering.

My 60GB launch model is coming up for 2 years old and it's never loud to the extent that's it's audible above any content I'm playing.

Hell, I've been on my PS3 most of the afternoon and I'm actually posting this from it now and the loudest thing I can hear is my 7 month daughter snoring 2 rooms away.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear - even barely audible is unacceptable. Out of curiosity, put your in a stereo cabinet and see how it performs. I already know the answer to this.

But the fan is just one aspect of it. Still waiting on a decent BR player from a good stereo company. Marantz, McIntosh, Rotel, heck, I'd even look at Mark Levinson right now, but no one has bothered to make one. This doesn't bode well for the format I'd say.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

....Hi-fi or video equipment should have zero fans (1st golden rule :D )....Hear hear!!!! I'm with ya on that!

-S

[Wolfehunter]

I'm no console fan. I have a PS3.

I find the game choices for PS3 poor. They have a few good ones out their but mostly shooters or hack and slash. PS3 is an uber PC. It acts like one. I have a mouse and keyboard connected to it and runs its own OS and I can serf the net etc. Why they call them consoles anymore is beyond me?

XBox 360 has more choices and variety of games. Also a very friendly MS interface to Vista. I don't own a 360 because I won't invest in it. Before you wonder about my PS3 I also didn't buy it. Was given as a free gift for purchasing a Sony vaio laptop for my wife a year ago.

In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:

[SUBMAN1]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S

[Lil' Subsim]

PC for God
PS3 for Life
Xbox 360 for Death
Wii for Kids

My 2 dollars.

[d@rk51d3]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S


And listen to all those fans howling......:lol:

[Dowly]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S

But the problem is, not all good games are available for PC. ;)

[danlisa]

As nice as this discussion is, Neal asked specifically about a replacement console and the differences between them.

My first post probably covered this, so noises while using the PS3 is rather a non issue. Especially considering the sound a Xbox makes.:lol: Apart from game choice (which is rather unique to the individual) the PS3 is the only one that offers Neal's wants.

So, listen to Subman1, who I suspect wished he lived in an acoustic bubble to remove all atmospheric noise, and not buy a new console, or except that most high powered electronic items require some additional cooling.

Failing that, get a Wii.:p It has none of the above but is fun for all the family (if you are the athletic type), me, I'm a couch gamer.

EDIT - To help you somewhat, here's the current Library of PS3 games - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

[Wolfehunter]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S
But the problem is, not all good games are available for PC. ;)Well that depend on who you depend on.

Most uber game companies have switch over to console. Yet they make PC game but are really console game crossed over to PC. So most big games from EA are console based game that work on PC platforms.

Subman your right 100% :up:

[Dowly]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S
But the problem is, not all good games are available for PC. ;)Well that depend on who you depend on.

Most uber game companies have switch over to console. Yet they make PC game but are really console game crossed over to PC. So most big games from EA are console based game that work on PC platforms.

Subman your right 100% :up:

Metal Gear Solid. That series is worth the money you need to buy PS3. I've played the series all the way from 8bit Nintendo. Awesome series. :yep:

[Wolfehunter]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S
But the problem is, not all good games are available for PC. ;)Well that depend on who you depend on.

Most uber game companies have switch over to console. Yet they make PC game but are really console game crossed over to PC. So most big games from EA are console based game that work on PC platforms.

Subman your right 100% :up:
Metal Gear Solid. That series is worth the money you need to buy PS3. I've played the series all the way from 8bit Nintendo. Awesome series. :yep:I don't know I never was into metal gear even though I have it for my nes the original. I prefered dragon warrior than metal gear or contra type games. Then again if they would make contra now it would resemble Deadspace...:hmm:

[Dowly]

...In the end of the day I would choose my PC. :smug:So should anyone who wants a decent sim or games.

-S
But the problem is, not all good games are available for PC. ;)Well that depend on who you depend on.

Most uber game companies have switch over to console. Yet they make PC game but are really console game crossed over to PC. So most big games from EA are console based game that work on PC platforms.

Subman your right 100% :up:
Metal Gear Solid. That series is worth the money you need to buy PS3. I've played the series all the way from 8bit Nintendo. Awesome series. :yep:I don't know I never was into metal gear even though I have it for my nes the original. I prefered dragon warrior than metal gear or contra type games. Then again if they would make contra now it would resemble Deadspace...:hmm:

The NES MGS's werent as story driven as the ones that started from PS1 onwards. Sure, the're some paranormal stuff in the stories, but it fits in well, you just cant stop playing. Oscar worth stuff most of the stuff they write for MGS. :up:

[Wolfehunter]

The NES MGS's werent as story driven as the ones that started from PS1 onwards. Sure, the're some paranormal stuff in the stories, but it fits in well, you just cant stop playing. Oscar worth stuff most of the stuff they write for MGS. :up:I didnt' even know about the paranormal stuff in MGS?:hmm:

[Dowly]

The NES MGS's werent as story driven as the ones that started from PS1 onwards. Sure, the're some paranormal stuff in the stories, but it fits in well, you just cant stop playing. Oscar worth stuff most of the stuff they write for MGS. :up:I didnt' even know about the paranormal stuff in MGS?:hmm:

************SPOILERS!!!!!!***************
















PS1 MGS has Psycho Mantis as one of the "bosses". He knows every move you make, so you have to change the controller port to the 2nd player port, then he becomes confused and doesnt known what you do.

PS2 MGS2 has the Vampire and, IIRC, a woman, that is VERY lucky, who thinks she cant die, that the bullets go around her. Well, naturally, Snake the jinx and kills her.

[TinCanWolf]

I never hear my fan on my PS3. I've actually got extremely pissed realizing the PS3 has been on for several hours while I watch TV because my buddy hit a controller.

[darius359au]

I never hear my fan on my PS3. I've actually got extremely pissed realizing the PS3 has been on for several hours while I watch TV because my buddy hit a controller.

My kids have done the same thing , go to watch a movie or play a game and find out the things been on overnight ;)