how it works

[kranz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801662.stm

it is so funny how it works:Obama farts and a spam marathon begins. Fat girl gets a ticket for too long parking time and everyone(including me)laugh their asses off.
More than 200 people are killed-and ?

[Dowly]

More than 200 people are killed-and ?
Pie? :hmm:

No, really, I just wondered the same thing last night while watching news about israel bombing the fock out of mosque's in Gaza. Kinda sad that the world shut's it's eyes from this. I'd be interested to know how many of those 200+ were actually terrorists..

[Mikhayl]

Upset reply: It's not people, it's palestinians. That's worth less than a fart from Obama.

Light hearted reply: It's not because people don't talk about it on subsim that they don't care.

Take your pick :)

[kranz]

More than 200 people are killed-and ?
I'd be interested to know how many of those 200+ were actually terrorists..

In the US they call it a surgical strike with the difference that they kill only a village(in Iraq and Afg.)per one terrorist and in Israel they erase whole districts.

[Jimbuna]

More than 200 people are killed-and ?
Pie? :hmm:

No, really, I just wondered the same thing last night while watching news about israel bombing the fock out of mosque's in Gaza. Kinda sad that the world shut's it's eyes from this. I'd be interested to know how many of those 200+ were actually terrorists..

The innocent will always be the true victims as long as they hide amongst civilian settlements.

I honestly don't know the answer but often wonder who is actually the main party at fault......the terrorists basing their activities amongst innocent civilians, or the Israelis for striking back in areas they know are inhabited by civilians.

I suppose the answer is 'both' :hmm:

[kranz]

The innocent will always be the true victims as long as they hide amongst civilian settlements.

I honestly don't know the answer but often wonder who is actually the main party at fault......the terrorists basing their activities amongst innocent civilians, or the Israelis for striking back in areas they know are inhabited by civilians.

I suppose the answer is 'both' :hmm:

Terrorist is a very convenient word. I guess the meaning would go like this: guilty or not, can be killed. At least that's the way it works. I don't know how much truth lies in a movie called Munich, with Eric Bana(said to be based on facts)but that's how it looks like on the Middle East.

[Mikhayl]

As far as I know no terrorists were killed in the attacks, as it turns out the F-16 is a pretty safe ride for them.

[Enigma]

Don't pretend to know whats right or wrong on this one. But I do know I'm tired of Israel being the kid in class that can do no wrong, sanctioned by the US of A.

[Letum]

The innocent will always be the true victims as long as they hide amongst civilian settlements.

Gaza is not the kind of place you can hide military bases in.
It is 25miles by 4-7 miles in size.
I know every field within a radius of 25 miles from my house like the back of my hand.

There are almost no places in Gaza that are not near houses and the few places that
are are very, very exposed.

Saying that civilians are only the victims because the resistance to Israel is based near
houses does not make sense.

[SUBMAN1]

I applaud Israel for being so restrained and allowing how many? 75 rockets land and kill Israelis before responding? Remarkable cool.

Somehow, i think the Israelis are worse than a fart from Obama and Palestinian combined. No one seems to care when they die. The worlds ears only seem to perk up when a Palestinian dies.

This makes you guys look sick and biased. Did I mention you look hypocritical too?

-S

[kranz]

I applaud Israel for being so restrained and allowing how many? 75 rockets land and kill Israelis before responding? Remarkable cool.

Somehow, i think the Israelis are worse than a fart from Obama and Palestinian combined. No one seems to care when they die. The worlds ears only seem to perk up when a Palestinian dies.
Hmm, mby this "75 rockets" happens once in a blue moon or never. Why it wasn't in the news?Or BBC webpage? I haven't noticed a thread called "75 rockets massacred the Israelis" by SUBMAN1. (if you are so sympathetic)

This makes you guys look sick and biased.

I was sneezing all morning but now i'm ok.THX.

Did I mention you look hypocritical too?
-S
I guess it's your first time in this thread.

[Jimbuna]

I applaud Israel for being so restrained and allowing how many? 75 rockets land and kill Israelis before responding? Remarkable cool.

Somehow, i think the Israelis are worse than a fart from Obama and Palestinian combined. No one seems to care when they die. The worlds ears only seem to perk up when a Palestinian dies.

This makes you guys look sick and biased. Did I mention you look hypocritical too?

-S

I think everyone must realise how restrained they have been in recent years when you consider the military actions carried out previously.

I used to say there would never be a cure in the Middle East or in Northern Ireland.

I was wrong on one count....I hope I'll be proven wrong again.

[SUBMAN1]

I applaud Israel for being so restrained and allowing how many? 75 rockets land and kill Israelis before responding? Remarkable cool.

Somehow, i think the Israelis are worse than a fart from Obama and Palestinian combined. No one seems to care when they die. The worlds ears only seem to perk up when a Palestinian dies. Hmm, mby this "75 rockets" happens once in a blue moon or never. Why it wasn't in the news?Or BBC webpage? I haven't noticed a thread called "75 rockets massacred the Israelis" by SUBMAN1. (if you are so sympathetic)

This makes you guys look sick and biased.
I was sneezing all morning but now i'm ok.THX.

Did I mention you look hypocritical too?
-S I guess it's your first time in this thread.

I was trying to stay on the positive side of news and ignore what is happening, but I can't let you stand there and say that its a shame what Israel is doing, and I know you know that it is happening, so why are you not sympathetic?

The articles are all over the place.:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_mideast
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/24/content_10554351.htm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g14_OgVc3KvfIE0q7FpUa4Ou69QQD95BD0700
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24842594-15084,00.html

How many you want?

So I've proven that I am not the hypocrite. However, you are looking pretty bad at this point.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

I think everyone must realise how restrained they have been in recent years when you consider the military actions carried out previously.

I used to say there would never be a cure in the Middle East or in Northern Ireland.

I was wrong on one count....I hope I'll be proven wrong again.
I hope you're right man, but if you believe in the man upstairs, you know his book says there will never be peace in the Middle East.

-S

[Mikhayl]

Israel is anything but restrained. It's crazy to see how efficient is the Israeli propaganda machine, that's one topic on which all the media are on the same line, from left to right and from the US to Europe.

[SUBMAN1]

Israel is anything but restrained. It's crazy to see how efficient is the Israeli propaganda machine, that's one topic on which all the media are on the same line, from left to right and from the US to Europe.
Oh, my mistake. The rockets were fictitious :88). If I were Israel, I would attack the moment a single one was launched. Looks like they launched over 100.

-S

PS. I do find it very telling that the BBC ignored the attacks, but when Israel attacks, they are all over it. Sounds like the ultimate propaganda machine - way beyond Israels right there.

[Mikhayl]

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

[SUBMAN1]

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

[Mikhayl]

So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

[SUBMAN1]

So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

No, just in shock from all the antisemitism.

I guess Europe's history is full of it so I shouldn't be in shock.

-S

[Letum]

[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.



Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

[Dowly]

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?

[Mikhayl]

Gaza ghetto: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/29/gaza-hospitals-crisis

And some different news sources on Palestine and the ME
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php

http://joshualandis.com/blog/

http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

http://occupiedlove.blogspot.com/

and of course, again:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

[Aramike]

Well, this thread is aptly titled, in any case.

This is the kind of thing that is interesting to observe: people letting partisan views interfere with the facts. Seriously, the fact is that Isreal has been getting shelled by Palestinians in Gaza from well before their relatiation. This isn't something that's debatable - this is what actually happened.

People always seem to deplore the violence of those most effective at it. In other words, it doesn't matter that the Palestinians are lobbing mortar shells at Isrealis because those mortars are simply not very effective. However, when the Isrealis respond by firing back with more effective weapons, certain segments of the world get all up-in-arms over it.

I guess it's just a fascination with rooting for the underdog. Forgetting the cause and focusing solely on the effect is short-sighted.

[Aramike]

Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?How are those "civilians" any better than the terrorists if they abide them?

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism. There certainly are details and minutiae to debate but this point is a tad off-base, IMO.

Remember, the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wins_Palestinian_election

This isn't a splinter unit acting alone.

[Foxtrot]

Heil Arthur Balfour and Co. :down:

[Mikhayl]

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.

[Schroeder]

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism. Protest against HAMAS in Gaza and you won't live long enough to tell the tale.;)

But I think you are right. Israel has been hit by mortars and Kassams (spelling?) for quite some time now. And it was just a question of time until the big guns would answer that.:-?

I think it is a never ending story. Both sides have too many idiots to achieve a durable peace down there.

[Aramike]

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.Umm, you made my point.

[SUBMAN1]

[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.


Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

The words don't need to be spoken. Its implied over and over here.

-S

[Tchocky]

Where?

[SUBMAN1]

Where?The one sided information. But you already know this, so why the stupid response?

-S

[Tchocky]

Where?The one sided information. But you already know this, so why the stupid response?

-S

Try being civil.


This thread is about Israel and Palestine, not religion. Show me where the Anti-Semitism is.
You say it's implied over and over. Show me where, in what posts?

[SUBMAN1]

Try being civil. That's a great idea for everyone in this thread. Try being civil to Israel.


This thread is about Israel and Palestine, not religion. Show me where the Anti-Semitism is.
You say it's implied over and over. Show me where, in what posts?
First try knowing what the definition of what you are talking about before making comment:

Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism; also rarely known as judeophobia) is prejudice against or hostility toward Jews as a group.

-S

[Tchocky]

Show me where the Anti-Semitism is.
You say it's implied over and over. Show me where, in what posts?

[SUBMAN1]

Show me where the Anti-Semitism is.
You say it's implied over and over. Show me where, in what posts?

Now I think you've lost it.

How about trying to show me where the hate filled posts here that are talking about the HAMAS rocket attacks first? They are all denoucing Israel and paying sympathy to the attackers. Or did you miss my post above that tells you it is completely lacking?

I've already told you. You are simply looking for a foothold where one doesn't exists. But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

-S

[Mikhayl]

One thing that makes me laugh when watching the news on Palestine on French TV.
In Arabic "hamas" and "hezbollah" are pronounced much like in English, and should be pronounced in the same way in French. Yet I often hear "journalists" who speak about "rhamas" and "rhezbollah". You wonder why and you realize that this is the Hebrew pronounciation, so you easily guess where these journalists get their "info".

[SUBMAN1]

Wow! Obama finally impressed me!

-S

WASHINGTON — When President-elect Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) went to Israel (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/israel/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) in July — to the very town, in fact, whose repeated shelling culminated in this weekend’s new fighting in Gaza (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/gaza_strip/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) — he all but endorsed the punishing Israeli attacks now unfolding.

“If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that,” he told reporters in Sderot, a small city on the edge of Gaza that has been hit repeatedly by rocket fire. “And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”

[Enigma]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tchocky
Show me where the Anti-Semitism is.
You say it's implied over and over. Show me where, in what posts?


Now I think you've lost it.

How about trying to show me where the hate filled posts here that are talking about the HAMAS rocket attacks first? They are all denoucing Israel and paying sympathy to the attackers. Or did you miss my post above that tells you it is completely lacking?

I've already told you. You are simply looking for a foothold where one doesn't exists. But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

Translation: "cant".

[Tchocky]

How about trying to show me where the hate filled posts here that are talking about the HAMAS rocket attacks first? They are all denoucing Israel and paying sympathy to the attackers. Or did you miss my post above that tells you it is completely lacking?
You're missing the point completely.
Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?

I've already told you. You really haven't. I asked you to show the alleged anti-semitism of this thread and you responded with a definition of anti-semitism.

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.
What do you mean, "Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews"?
If you're thinking about the Holocaust, try to remember that a political regime in one European country does not mean the same thing as the entire continent. I know such distinctions are very subtle and difficult to grasp, but learning the fundamentals can really pay off sometimes.

[SUBMAN1]

How about trying to show me where the hate filled posts here that are talking about the HAMAS rocket attacks first? They are all denoucing Israel and paying sympathy to the attackers. Or did you miss my post above that tells you it is completely lacking? You're missing the point completely.
Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?

I've already told you. You really haven't. I asked you to show the alleged anti-semitism of this thread and you responded with a definition of anti-semitism.

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided. What do you mean, "Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews"?
If you're thinking about the Holocaust, try to remember that a political regime in one European country does not mean the same thing as the entire continent. I know such distinctions are very subtle and difficult to grasp, but learning the fundamentals can really pay off sometimes.
A lot of opinion, but you still haven't shown me where Israel has the right to defend itself.

And by the way, yes, Israel is the Jewish state. So don't try and spoon feed any more baloney.

Try denoucing Palestine and Hamas's actions as worse than Israels, and you might start to approach a non-biased footing.

-S

[Tchocky]

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?

[SUBMAN1]

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?Not all, but purely biased responses as in the thread, is anti-semitism. Do you understand this?

What you and other people in this forum are telling me is that you are so morally corrupt, that you don't understand the difference between right and wrong, the difference between a provoked and unprovoked attack. You outright denounce a people. And make no mistake, it is about the people.

Palastine is just as guilty as Hamas if they do not stop it. If they are unable, they should ask for assistance. To not stop a direct attack on another people that is based on racial attacks only and for no other reason, then Palastine deserves to be bombed back to the stone age.

Before we can continue this conversation any further, do you denounce Palastines and Hamas's unprovoked attacks as much worse than Israels response? If you do not, it is clear where your bias stands and the conversation is over.

-S

[Tchocky]

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?Not all, but purely biased responses as in the thread, is anti-semitism. Do you understand this?
No, I don't understand. You are not making sense. Criticism of Israel can take many forms, whereas anti-semitism is a religious prejudice, that as far as I can see has not been displayed in this thread. You say otherwise, but have a strange inability to back this statement up. Crude and offensive remarks about European anti-semitism don't make sense here unless such anti-semitism is actually being displayed.
Quote an example of anti-semitism in this thread. Even an implied example, easier as that is.

Before we can continue this conversation any further, do you denounce Palastines and Hamas's unprovoked attacks as much worse than Israels response? If you do not, it is clear where your bias stands and the conversation is over. This really shouldn't be this difficult. you say the thread is full of anti-semitism, yet you cannot provide a single example.
Why do I have to denounce attacks before you can back up your own statements?

[Foxtrot]

Will I be an anti-semitic if I will say that Jewish Settlers (and only Jewish Settlers loved by God) deserve Hamas rockets?

[Aramike]

I think the big picture has been lost here. Despite what you think of the political situations and the boundaries in Isreal and Palestine, Hamas (the elected Palestinian government) instigated this latest chapter in the conflict.

It doesn't make much sense to start a fight with the Big Dog then get pissed off at the Big Dog for beating you up over it.

[Mikhayl]

That kind of reply (Subman's etc) is textbook example of misinformation. It's assuming that Israel is merely responding. It forgets that Israel killed some 30 Palestinians in Gaza during the cease fire. NOT after rocket fire.
By the way the rockets are a nasty psychologic weapon but hardly a threat to Israel. Less than 20 Israelis killed in 8 years, compare that with what Israel has done during the cease fire alone and now.
It's totally reversing the situation, and here we're just talking about Gaza so it's easy for the irrationnal Israel supporters to close their eyes, put all the blame on Hamas and be done with it. Even though they also forget that Israel didn't mind killing civilians long before Hamas was elected and even long before the very creation of Hamas in the late '80s.

Anyway, what about the West Bank then ? No rockets are fired there, and what is the result, do they live in peace with Israel on this side ? No, Palestinians get booted out of their home daily, some of them for the second time in their life, settlers beat and sometimes kill Palestinians far beyond the international border and get away with it, they burn or uproot olive trees that belong to Palestinian farmers, the list of offenses goes on and on and on, and nobody gives a sh!t, why, because no lousy rockets are fired so there's no one to blame.
Israel doesn't want peace, it wants the Palestinians out. Look at Jerusalem day after day they're grabbing more land. This city was once supposed to be the symbolic capitol of the 2 states, but in fact Israelis and most US representative consider it an Israeli city and are longing to move their ambassies there.

But let's focus on the lousy rockets fired by lousy hamas, no doubt that stopping them is the key to happiness for Palestinians.

[SUBMAN1]

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?Not all, but purely biased responses as in the thread, is anti-semitism. Do you understand this? No, I don't understand. You are not making sense. Criticism of Israel can take many forms, whereas anti-semitism is a religious prejudice, that as far as I can see has not been displayed in this thread. You say otherwise, but have a strange inability to back this statement up. Crude and offensive remarks about European anti-semitism don't make sense here unless such anti-semitism is actually being displayed.
Quote an example of anti-semitism in this thread. Even an implied example, easier as that is.

Before we can continue this conversation any further, do you denounce Palastines and Hamas's unprovoked attacks as much worse than Israels response? If you do not, it is clear where your bias stands and the conversation is over. This really shouldn't be this difficult. you say the thread is full of anti-semitism, yet you cannot provide a single example.
Why do I have to denounce attacks before you can back up your own statements?

As i thought. You failed to denounce it. I prove my point.

Conversation closed. No sense arguing with someone morally corrupt and as biased as yourself.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

That kind of reply (Subman's etc) is textbook example of misinformation. It's assuming that Israel is merely responding. It forgets that Israel killed some 30 Palestinians in Gaza during the cease fire. NOT after rocket fire.
By the way the rockets are a nasty psychologic weapon but hardly a threat to Israel. Less than 20 Israelis killed in 8 years, compare that with what Israel has done during the cease fire alone and now.
It's totally reversing the situation, and here we're just talking about Gaza so it's easy for the irrationnal Israel supporters to close their eyes, put all the blame on Hamas and be done with it. Even though they also forget that Israel didn't mind killing civilians long before Hamas was elected and even long before the very creation of Hamas in the late '80s.

Anyway, what about the West Bank then ? No rockets are fired there, and what is the result, do they live in peace with Israel on this side ? No, Palestinians get booted out of their home daily, some of them for the second time in their life, settlers beat and sometimes kill Palestinians far beyond the international border and get away with it, they burn or uproot olive trees that belong to Palestinian farmers, the list of offenses goes on and on and on, and nobody gives a sh!t, why, because no lousy rockets are fired so there's no one to blame.
Israel doesn't want peace, it wants the Palestinians out. Look at Jerusalem day after day they're grabbing more land. This city was once supposed to be the symbolic capitol of the 2 states, but in fact Israelis and most US representative consider it an Israeli city and are longing to move their ambassies there.

But let's focus on the lousy rockets fired by lousy hamas, no doubt that stopping them is the key to happiness for Palestinians.

If I'm so full of mis-information, show me how the 30 killed was not a provoked attack. Israel only responds, never initiates on any Palestinian thing i have ever read.

I believe your statement qualifies as king of mis-information. I'm waiting for your answer.

-S

[Mikhayl]

The rocket barrage came a day after an Israel Air Force strike in the southern Strip killed at least five militants and wounded several others.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034284.html

Israel had not allowed UNRWA, a United Nations agency that aids some 750,000 refugees in Gaza, to bring in supplies since Nov. 4 during cross-border fighting in which more than a dozen Palestinian militants were killed.

Several Israelis have been lightly wounded by dozens of rockets fired by gunmen after the Israel Defense Forces raids.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1038499.html

And something interesting:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050402.html

[Jimbuna]

Geeeeez!!.....and I get ridiculed for posting a bloody joke :nope:

Anyone can argue/debate the rights and wrongs of either side.....but until a third party can clash the heads of both sides and bring them to a) a ceasefire and b) the negotiating table in an effort of reconciliation.....I don't see any tangible/effective answer to this madness.

Without trying to give EITHER side my sympathy/understanding, I don't see any way forward until people realise there are consequences to their actions.

[Biggles]

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

-S

Shocking, revolting and downright ugly. Worst part is that you probably think it's true.

[Aramike]

Mikhayl, I think you're as biased here as anyone else. Here's one comment:Israel doesn't want peace, it wants the Palestinians out. I don't use arguments like this because they are clearly one-sided, thereby skipping over the obvious truth that one could just as easily say that the Palestinians don't want peace, they just want Isreal out.

You're glossing over the behaviors of Hamas ("lousy" rockets? Come on, man), and instead focus upon the behaviors of Isreal. That is the very kind of thinking that makes the peace process damned near impossible.

As far as which side I agree with in the conflict, I believe the Isrealis are operating in the best interest of their nation. From YOUR VERY OWN LINK:Also on Tuesday, IDF soldiers killed a Hamas gunman and wounded two others on Tuesday in the first armed clash in the Gaza Strip since a cease-fire was declared in the territory in June, Palestinian medics said.

An Israeli army spokeswoman said troops had entered the territory to destroy a tunnel which Gaza militants had dug under the border to try to abduct soldiers.Attacking *militants* is not the same thing as indiscriminately lobbing "lousy" rockets over a line on a map. Those rockets clearly have no ability to seriously impact military targets, so the only result (which is also predictable), is to bring heavy retaliation from the Isrealis.

Hamas may as well just have shot at their own people.

[Enigma]

:rotfl:

Amazing how quick the "conversation is closed" when your getting handed your hat in an argument.....

What.
A.
Joke.

[Mikhayl]

Of course I'm biased, never said otherwise. The links I posted are the Israeli side of the story to make Subman happy, and I very well read the bit you quoted, by an "IDF spokesman". If on your side you go on and read the Palestinian side of the story they say that the Israelis hit a family house.
What's make the peace process impossible is the never ending expansion of the settlements, even Rice once said it. And since Obama thinks that Jerusalem should be the undivided capitol of Israel, and that Netanyahu has good chances to be elected to replace Olmert with the help of orthodox freaks, I don't see any of that changing except for the worse.
And you're only half right about Palestinians wanting Israel out, look at Fatah. The empty suits in Ramallah don't care much for their people as long as they get US taxpayer money and get to talk here and there in Europe and the US and look important. Hamas IMO are just as stupid as Abbas and his clique, short sighted idiots, but they fill the need for someone standing up. Gazan get killed and starved but they're not getting booted out of their homes by settler freaks while the IDF looks and does nothing. Tough life.

Edit: and it's spelled I-s-r-a-e-l, isreal is like nukular :)

[SUBMAN0]

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

-S

Hello this is SUBMAN0 i'm from der future. Well America land has no problem murdering millions of black people ... soooooo ... are you an inbread?

[Biggles]

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

-S

Hello this is SUBMAN0 i'm from der future. Well America land has no problem murdering millions of black people ... soooooo ... are you an inbread?

How far in the future are you from?

[SUBMAN0]

How far in the future are you from?






Well since you live in Sweden that means im about 1h in the future.


-S0

[SUBMAN1]

That's OK Zachstar, I've got your number. IP addresses don't lie.

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[Biggles]

How far in the future are you from?






Well since you live in Sweden that means im about 1h in the future.


-S0

Clever eh?:shifty:


Australia it is!:p

[SUBMAN1]

The rocket barrage came a day after an Israel Air Force strike in the southern Strip killed at least five militants and wounded several others. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034284.html

Israel had not allowed UNRWA, a United Nations agency that aids some 750,000 refugees in Gaza, to bring in supplies since Nov. 4 during cross-border fighting in which more than a dozen Palestinian militants were killed.

Several Israelis have been lightly wounded by dozens of rockets fired by gunmen after the Israel Defense Forces raids.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1038499.html

And something interesting:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050402.html
I'd prefer if you quoted a paper not involved in the fighting. Thanks.

-S

[SUBMAN0]

That's OK Zachstar, I've got your number. IP addresses don't lie.


Sorry to dissapoint but i am not Zachstar ... your probably not going to belive me and i cant really blame you ... though i am sorry if Zachstar gets into any trouble beacause of me.


-S0

[SUBMAN1]

Doesn't matter. it is all documented. It is a banning offense.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7400/81599701pm5.gif

-S

[SUBMAN0]

Doesn't matter. it is all documented. It is a banning offense.


I know ... but i was hopeing that my first post would show you how stupid your post about Europe haveing no problems killing millions of Jews was ... and for some reason i still have hope that you will come to your senses one day and do PROPER research before posting. Always listen to ALL sides of the story.

[Frame57]

I applaud Israel for being so restrained and allowing how many? 75 rockets land and kill Israelis before responding? Remarkable cool.

Somehow, i think the Israelis are worse than a fart from Obama and Palestinian combined. No one seems to care when they die. The worlds ears only seem to perk up when a Palestinian dies.

This makes you guys look sick and biased. Did I mention you look hypocritical too?

-SI think it was over 100 rockets. What took Israel so long? Hamas instigates yet another cowardly act. At least Israel responds openly with the voice of thunderbirds.

[SUBMAN1]

....Always listen to ALL sides of the story.Something that has been lacking in this thread from the start. I've tried to remain impartial through it all. Israel is by no means perfect, but I cannot let one side rip it to shreds when I see the instigator bombing the hell out of them with impunity.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8341/38615981zx1.gif

-S

[Frame57]

Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Do you understand this?Not all, but purely biased responses as in the thread, is anti-semitism. Do you understand this?
No, I don't understand. You are not making sense. Criticism of Israel can take many forms, whereas anti-semitism is a religious prejudice, that as far as I can see has not been displayed in this thread. You say otherwise, but have a strange inability to back this statement up. Crude and offensive remarks about European anti-semitism don't make sense here unless such anti-semitism is actually being displayed.
Quote an example of anti-semitism in this thread. Even an implied example, easier as that is.

Before we can continue this conversation any further, do you denounce Palastines and Hamas's unprovoked attacks as much worse than Israels response? If you do not, it is clear where your bias stands and the conversation is over. This really shouldn't be this difficult. you say the thread is full of anti-semitism, yet you cannot provide a single example.
Why do I have to denounce attacks before you can back up your own statements?Semite deals with race origin and not religion.

[SUBMAN1]

That's OK Zachstar, I've got your number. IP addresses don't lie.

I know for a fact that the poster is'nt Zachstar.Good. Then you know who is on the way out.

Surprised you didn't call me some name in this post. What was the last thing you called me? The stars blurted out your expletive. Or should I say, censored your foul mouth.

-S

[Frame57]

"Murdering millions of Black people" WTFO? Am I graced with the presence of Reverend Jeremiah Wright?

[antikristuseke]

Surprised you didn't call me some name in this post. What was the last thing you called me? The stars blurted out your expletive.

-S

Last time i was a bit ticked off in general, hence the name calling, what i called you started with p and ended in k.
Anyway, iv been trying to stop myself from responding to your posts because they strike me as being so unbelivably arrogant and silly at times that i can not respond with anything exept poisonous sarcasm or strings of expletives, because as we all know, explaining something to you does not work.

[SUBMAN1]

Last time i was a bit ticked off in general, hence the name calling, what i called you started with p and ended in k.
Anyway, iv been trying to stop myself from responding to your posts because they strike me as being so unbelivably arrogant and silly at times that i can not respond with anything exept poisonous sarcasm or strings of expletives, because as we all know, explaining something to you does not work.

Well when you start looking for arrogance next time, try looking at your own posts.

-S

[antikristuseke]

Well yes, but I dont have a problem admiting I am an arrogant *****. Yet somehow, I am not the one generalizing about entire subcontinents, go figure.

[SUBMAN0]

Last time i was a bit ticked off in general, hence the name calling, what i called you started with p and ended in k.
Anyway, iv been trying to stop myself from responding to your posts because they strike me as being so unbelivably arrogant and silly at times that i can not respond with anything exept poisonous sarcasm or strings of expletives, because as we all know, explaining something to you does not work.

Well when you start looking for arrogance next time, try looking at your own posts.

-S


I like pie! And just for the record SUBMAN1 i think your actually the Rabbit of Caer Bannog

[SUBMAN1]

Well yes, but I dont have a problem admiting I am an arrogant *****. Yet somehow, I am not the one generalizing about entire subcontinents, go figure.Yes, my own. How about you sticking to your own and we will leave it at that.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Last time i was a bit ticked off in general, hence the name calling, what i called you started with p and ended in k.
Anyway, iv been trying to stop myself from responding to your posts because they strike me as being so unbelivably arrogant and silly at times that i can not respond with anything exept poisonous sarcasm or strings of expletives, because as we all know, explaining something to you does not work.
Well when you start looking for arrogance next time, try looking at your own posts.

-S

I like pie! And just for the record SUBMAN1 i think your actually the Rabbit of Caer Bannog
Also documented:


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7737/23857342vu6.gif

I guess you want to go out with a bang. Keep it up.

-S

[Tchocky]

Well yes, but I dont have a problem admiting I am an arrogant *****. Yet somehow, I am not the one generalizing about entire subcontinents, go figure.Yes, my own.

But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

___

[SUBMAN1]

Well yes, but I dont have a problem admiting I am an arrogant *****. Yet somehow, I am not the one generalizing about entire subcontinents, go figure.Yes, my own.
But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.
___Only in defense of the innocent. It is not helping you now. But we already know what you are.

-S

[Tchocky]

What, exactly?

[SUBMAN0]

Well yes, but I dont have a problem admiting I am an arrogant *****. Yet somehow, I am not the one generalizing about entire subcontinents, go figure.Yes, my own. How about you sticking to your own and we will leave it at that.

-S


Im and idiot i know but what did you mean by "Yes, my own". Btw, are you the Rabbit of Caer Bannog?

[SUBMAN1]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S

[Biggles]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S

I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?

[SUBMAN1]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S
I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?Try reading.

-S

[SUBMAN0]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S
I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?Try reading.

-S


Honestly this would end a lot quicker if youd just tell us.

[Biggles]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S
I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?Try reading.

-S


Honestly this would end a lot quicker if youd just tell us.

What he said. Please tell us, what exactly is he, in your words. I want to see it from you. Again. I could read earlier posts (actually, I have), but I want to see it from you. Again.

So please....what is he?

[SUBMAN1]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S
I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?Try reading.

-S

Honestly this would end a lot quicker if youd just tell us.
What he said. Please tell us, what exactly is he, in your words. I want to see it from you. Again. I could read earlier posts (actually, I have), but I want to see it from you. Again.

So please....what is he?

Sorry, I can't help out lazy people. Not worth having a conversation with, besides being annoying and probably trolling.

-S

[Biggles]

What, exactly? Oh did you not read my above posts??? I am offended now.

-S
I didn't. So please, tell me, what is he?Try reading.

-S

Honestly this would end a lot quicker if youd just tell us.
What he said. Please tell us, what exactly is he, in your words. I want to see it from you. Again. I could read earlier posts (actually, I have), but I want to see it from you. Again.

So please....what is he?

Sorry, I can't help out lazy people. Not worth having a conversation with, besides being annoying and probably trolling.

-S

Oh so I'm annoying? I knew I was annoyed about your ignorant and insulting comment: (Quote SUBMAN1 aka. -S)

"But as I said before, Europe has no problem murdering millions of Jews so this shouldn't be so shocking that it is all one sided.

-S" (End of Quote SUBMAN1 aka. -S. You'll find it on side 3 of this very thread.)


Let me ask you one thing: Have you ever been to Europe?

[SUBMAN1]

So now we've got out Subman0! :D

So easily manipulated.

-S

[Biggles]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!

[SUBMAN1]

For the record:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2459/79976061wh5.gif

[SUBMAN1]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!That it is.

Personal attacks are not my specialty though, but documentation is.

-S

[Biggles]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!That it is.

Personal attacks are not my specialty though, but documentation is.

-S

Personal attack? I didn't see that as an attack...

[SUBMAN0]

So now we've got out Subman0! :D

So easily manipulated.

-S

Actually im still here ... but honestly, im not trying to be funny, what do you mean by easily manipulated?

[Biggles]

So now we've got out Subman0! :D

So easily manipulated.

-S

Actually im still here ... but honestly, im not trying to be funny, what do you mean by easily manipulated?

He thinks that you look up to him to such an extent that you ripped of his name;)

[longam]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!That it is.

Personal attacks are not my specialty though, but documentation is.

-S

There is also this thing called BAITING..... its common in all forms of chat rooms and such.

[SUBMAN1]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!That it is.

Personal attacks are not my specialty though, but documentation is.

-S
There is also this thing called BAITING..... its common in all forms of chat rooms and such.
How? I had no direct attack on an individual. Just responded to something against me. So maybe you can enlighten the world? Baiting involves me doing something against someone. Where you are mistaken, i am not against anyone on this entire forum, but I will defend myself when attacked outright.

Nice try defending something indefensible. Now we know what side you are on too. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for now that you didn't read the entire content.

-S

[SUBMAN0]

He thinks that you look up to him to such an extent that you ripped of his name;)

Oh yes i adore the man i mean his ... yeah never mind.

[SUBMAN0]

He thinks that you look up to him to such an extent that you ripped of his name;)


Ofcourse i look up to him. I mean he has a way with really horrible comebacks that i wish to master.

[longam]

Then it's just Subman1 left, and then the fun begins! 'Cause it's always fun when Subman1 is around!That it is.

Personal attacks are not my specialty though, but documentation is.

-S
There is also this thing called BAITING..... its common in all forms of chat rooms and such.
How? I had no direct attack on an individual. Just responded to something against me. So maybe you can enlighten the world? Baiting involves me doing something against someone. Where you are mistaken, i am not against anyone on this entire forum, but I will defend myself when attacked outright.

Nice try defending something indefensible. Now we know what side you are on too. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for now that you didn't read the entire content.

-S

No dude it wasn't a personal attack, it is just the way you throw out the bones and wait to see what takes the bait.

I'm not here to win side by the way, just to enjoy the forum.

[SUBMAN1]

No dude it wasn't a personal attack, it is just the way you throw out the bones and wait to see what takes the bait.

I'm not here to win side by the way, just to enjoy the forum.Sorry. I'm being attacked by an imposter. Forgive me for jumping to judgment faster than i should be.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Documented:

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[Subsim Monitor]

Thread locked due to lack of civility. Brig time will follow.