How do you feel about harbor raids?

[BasilY]

I have done a few harbor raids in my previous careers, but for my current one (and all later ones), I decide that I will only raid a harbor if I havn't attack it before (in all my previous careers). And since I am doing DiD, I will only attack a harbor if a) before 1941 AND b) the harbor has deep water nearby. So far in these career, I have none, since it's already 42, none will be planned in the future.

My second choice would have been the last choice.

This is just my own personal playing preference.

[GoldenRivet]

I have only raided a few ports in my day.

Because i am a DiD player... i find that it is not worth the risk generally speaking.

In real life there were a lot more hazards to the u-boat than the typical SH3 net/mine business. and most harbors had areas where ships could tie up where it would be nearly impossible to get a torpedo into.

most times, when a u-boat was suspected in a port, it would practically be a done deal for the escorts etc to trap the u-boat within the confines of the port.

for the most part... port raiding almost never took place in real life. so i dont really do it unless im in a major dry spell and it is 1939 - 40

I think GWX would have done well to put hundreds of mines around ports, and if not that... at least a few layers of sub nets.

EDIT: because i think that the AI structure in SH3 was not meant to properly address or retaliate to port raiding... i voted "shameless exploitation" hehehe

[Weiss Pinguin]

I put a nice challenge. I find it can become pretty intense at times, especially when I bump into a subnet after the painstakingly cautious approach I just made.

On the downside, harbor raiding can bring out some glaring AI issues. :hmm:

[Brag]

Like a good sailor I like plenty of water under my keel.
I like harbors where I can have a bath, a stiff drink, woo the local ladies and have a good meal.

Harbour raiding doesn't meet any of the above criteria.:roll:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

If you are playing "realistically" the odds of a real-life U-boat commander getting orders to attack a harbor were virtually NIL.

(We put them in GWX for the sake of 'completeness' and to give a sense that the SH3 world was living, breathing, and active.)

If you like easy tonnage and all that stuff due to limited time to play etc... well anything goes doesn't it? :D

[prowler3]

Exciting challenge.

After days of putzing around, with not much to kill, I find a little blood curdling terror just the thing. You have to be willing to risk a career, however. It's actually fairly rare for me...I've only done 2 since coming back to SH3...lived once (Scapa Flow) and died once (Dover).

As far as reality...if I was into that much reality, I would never leave 1x time compression and actually spend weeks, real time, looking for something to kill. THAT'S reality...how many are that much into it? :rotfl:

[GoldenRivet]

Like a good sailor I like plenty of water under my keel.
I like harbors where I can have a bath, a stiff drink, woo the local ladies and have a good meal.

Harbour raiding doesn't meet any of the above criteria.:roll:

birds of a feather my friend :up:

[Madox58]

I have several
'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders.
All are based on the true defenses used.

They were discussed, tested, and turned down for 3.0

It was decided to many people would complain about getting
blown to Hades when they encountered
Real Harbor defenses.
:nope:

[bigboywooly]

I have several
'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders.
All are based on the true defenses used.

They were discussed, tested, and turned down for 3.0

It was decided to many people would complain about getting
blown to Hades when they encountered
Real Harbor defenses.
:nope:

????
Gimme

[Madox58]

I'll have to rebuild them.
Seems I lost them during installer tests.
:rotfl:

But they are wicked cool!!
:cool:

Sound listening devices,
which were implemented in WWI.

And those are attached to land control points.
Which had a bad habit of setting off complete Minefields
when a sound was detected!

Imagine being in the middle of a Mine field when the whole field goes BOOM!!
:rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

Yes a rather large portion of the channel was mined with mines that could be remote detonated in WW1
Imagine the same was in use in WW2

[A Very Super Market]

Scharnhorst and Gneisau never would never have made it.....not much else. I think the Germans were smart enough to never stray into the channel, so mines would've been useless.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I have several
'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders.
All are based on the true defenses used.

They were discussed, tested, and turned down for 3.0

It was decided to many people would complain about getting
blown to Hades when they encountered
Real Harbor defenses.
:nope:

????
Gimme
Seriously! Remote mines and listening devices would be pretty slick...

[Silverleaf]

Harbor raids are cool, it's awesome to sneak in close at night and see all the lights, and ships docked. You set up some firing sequences, let loose and then turn and sneak away. Your crew cheers minutes later when explosions start happening, your Chief pats you on the back and your about to light that cigarette when all hell breaks loose.

You get so many Contact: Warship, Closing Fast reports that you actually feel sorry for your sonar man, until the depth charges send you and your ship straight to the bottom - which by the way isn't more than 60 feet.

Not deep enough you think, and the damage reports start rolling in, along with screams as your crew slowly drowns. For those that survive that, there's the gasping as the air runs out and the last thought you have is:

Never, I repeat never, ever raid a harbor.

[BasilY]

Just an extra note:

As a Homage to Prien, I will attack a British port in 1939 if the game assigns me the boat U-47 by random. (which happen twice so far)

[meduza]

if it was a multiple choice poll, I'd select
Completely not historical, unless you are the skipper of U-47.
Shameless exploitation of AI weakness
Exciting set piece challange, with both prize and risk :D

Since it's not, I voted for No thanks...

I only raided a port once, Gibraltar in june 41. I made two attempts. First time I approached in rough weather, was detected and barely escaped. I returned the following night, sunk the Nelson and got away. :arrgh!:

It was one of the most nerve-wrecking experience I had in this game.

Privateer, your 'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders sound interesting. :D

[Red Heat]

Well in my opinion...War its War...all means are avaiable specialy those wich the enemy its not counting (surprise factor) or never was tried or experiment in a World War (Spec Op). So this words have a lot of sense:

"A remarkable exploit of professional skill and daring" - Churchill

[Sailor Steve]

I went for choice 1, but 3 was a close second.

????
Gimme
Me too, except useless in my case because I'd never do it anyway, so what's the point?:sunny:

[badwolf]

I'll only attack harbours when ordered via Sh3Gen.

So I voted Challenging, but only when attacking harbors not attacked before

[Jimbuna]

No 1....the reality http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Hanomag]

I have several
'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders.
All are based on the true defenses used.

They were discussed, tested, and turned down for 3.0

It was decided to many people would complain about getting
blown to Hades when they encountered
Real Harbor defenses.
:nope:

Too bad.. Harbor Raids are cheesey...

A long time ago I raided NYC Harbor sunk a tanker sitting next to Liberty Island... I even posted a bunch of screens about it in a thread. I leave the thread up to remind myself that...

It was very UN-satisfying. :nope:

Harbor Raids SHOULD NOT be your bread and butter!! :arrgh!:

[Hartmann]

I never do harbour raids. i act like a real skipper
i preffer stay in depth waters in front of the port intercepting the traffic.

In real life, a raid could end in a disaster , the crew captured, and the worst, the boat in shallow waters were the divers can enter easily.

Sub nets, sound devices, mines, destroyers with depth charges set to 14-20 meters
air cover ( the boat easy to see in shallow waters), :dead: too dangerous

[A Very Super Market]

I like to think that the only thing harbour raids are good for is surrendering.

[KeptinCranky]

Shameless exploit....

Hell, I sailed into Liverpool during GWX testing, sunk whatever was sinkable, and even surfaced for a while to get some fresh air before making my way back out

I've been to all British harbours, and almost all in the med, as well as some odd ones like st. Helena and have only been sunk doing so in Tobruk and Malta, although there were some tense moments elsewhere too, like getting bombed by the luftwaffe while in the middle of Bristol Harbor

I don't do harbors in career play, although you will find me hunting in the Irish Sea until late 1942 :arrgh!:

[Task Force]

I know the feeling, I once was bombed by the luftwaffe. I was also harbor raiding, so far iv raided dover, and a port thats name slips my mind now.:-?:lol: (Dover was vary easy.)

[Kongo Otto]

I never raid harbors, my U-Boot has an allergic reaction against UK Harbors. :rotfl:

[Erich dem Roten]

Even though I've done it many times (though never in a DiD career) I voted shameless exploit. I'm almost always able to pin the prowling escorts into running themselves into concrete piers which they can't escape while I float around freely picking targets at will.

[kiwikapitan]

Heh I just 'raided' Loch Ewe after being given the mission by SH3Gen.The weather was foul but I was spotted by a PT boat and that screwed that idea of doing a Prien and sinking the "Illustrious" fleet carrier which I was told might be there. And it was!

I fired my fishes blind (I missed) and crept away from the party above. I know the only reason I survived was it was Oct. '39 and there was no ASDIC so they were just dropping their loads blind. I sunk a C2 and a Proteus freighter just outside the harbour. That made up for the carrier. :arrgh!:

I voted for the 1st one. I just wanted to see if I could do what Prien did 14 days earlier. :D

This was WAC not GWX.

[TarJak]

I'll have to rebuild them.
Seems I lost them during installer tests.
:rotfl:

But they are wicked cool!!
:cool:

Sound listening devices,
which were implemented in WWI.

And those are attached to land control points.
Which had a bad habit of setting off complete Minefields
when a sound was detected!

Imagine being in the middle of a Mine field when the whole field goes BOOM!!
:rotfl:Gimme too! Did you get the moving subnet boom we discussed working?

[Sledgehammer427]

DiD...
im not risking my boat for sitting ducks
i have better things to try and sink

EDIT: MOVING SUBNET BOOM!!! AHHHHHHHH
scary

[vonLuckner]

I tried to raid Scapa Flow like Prien does... a mass of these bloody destroyes, nerving flys so I was submerged and mostly on silent running - if I entered the bay the great regard was: Nothing. I made some fotos through my periscope from that nice town but thats all. Really annoying.

Harbor raids are fine - if they are made in early war. The later the war the harder it is.


Handbreit,
von Luckner

[Stealth Hunter]

I sometimes do it, especially when it comes to ports with little or no defense.:arrgh!:

[AndyW]

In my current DiD patrol I raided Longyearbyen (empty) and Barentsburg (ships crashed into harbor facilities due to AI issues), both in Spitzbergen. Now I'm heading for the Whaling port at Jan Mayen to give it a try there...

I'm not too much of a risky guy, so I only raid those lonely outpost harbors with only an armed trawler for defense.

Real big, well protected UK harbors? No way!

Cheers,
AndyW

[owner20071963]

I have several
'not so nice' mods for Harbor raiders.
All are based on the true defenses used.

They were discussed, tested, and turned down for 3.0

It was decided to many people would complain about getting
blown to Hades when they encountered
Real Harbor defenses.
:nope:
????
Gimme
We have a Few,though we use them In Multi-Play,
Made by Paul,they are Exciting and Challenging,
Objectives Normally are To Slip In Quiet,
Using Your Obs Scope& Rudder to avoid Mines,
Then Find an Entry through the Net Or Nets,
Great Fun With Seven Other U-Boats,
Oh Bigboywooly Thank You for The GWX 3.0 Multi-Mod
Works Perfect,Decreases Loading Time,
Now Our Maps Load Up In 50 Seconds:up:

[She-Wolf]

I agree with Red Heat - war is war, and with that mindset, and because it was suggested I give it a go ( plus boredom when all I have had for days is empty sea and Bernard doing highland jigs to the gramophone), I decided to give it a try on my last couple of patrols. Hmph. Most harbours I tried, like Malta, seem too well protected by nets and walls. I spent hours sneaking up on Plymouth on my way home, though I don't know why I bothered as no-one seemed to notice me anyway, even though the weather was clear. When I got close enough I found two ships my side of the subnet - both on fire. The ones on the other side of the net did not seem get-at-able, so I gave up on that. Another place looked promising but it was foul weather and impossible to see what was where. Hartlepool did give me one success, but the patrol vessel which I expected to come after me didn't, and nor did anyone else. Finally I tried Dover ( I think), and guess what - someone seems to have beaten me to it again; just smouldering wrecks. Grr. Give up..

[Annatar]

In my previous career I raided Gibraltar (twice), Hartlepool, Scapa Flow, Casablanca, some whaling station up north and Portsmouth. Managed to get one cruise liner (44k tons) one Battleship (34k tons ish) and a host of other small craft like cruisers, transports etc... staying undetected was a challenge I liked to set myself, but even if discovered the bumbling fools guarding the ports would usually off themselves with their own depth charges or by driving right into a pier/whatever.
My biggest obstacle in raiding usually seems to be the weather, which has an uncanny habit of turning foggy and horrible as soon as I approach an enemy port.
Maybe the allies have developed some secret weather-controlling super weapon... :hmm:

For this career I think I'll avoid port raids unless SH3Gen gives me specific orders.
I have to go with "shameless exploit".

[danurve]

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze3m5bt/scopecat.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Send the diver out to cut the nets.

http://connectpoliticditto.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/jasparafterthedive.jpg

[Zilch]

(snip)
Maybe the allies have developed some secret weather-controlling super weapon... :hmm:(snip)


Maybe someone squeezed in a "Protestant Wind" mod into your download?

[Rafael]

Number 1.

I always listen to my crew. :yep:

Furthermore, it is to risky. :yep:

[Melonfish]

Damn the nets, damn the mines and damn the shallows!
All ahead flank RAMMING SPEED!

type II's only in harbours for me, anything else and its just to big!

[TigerShark808]

Only worth a shizzel if you can launch from 1500 meters and run like Frosty from an Indian summer.

[Laufen zum Ziel]

Like a good sailor I like plenty of water under my keel.
I like harbors where I can have a bath, a stiff drink, woo the local ladies and have a good meal.

Harbour raiding doesn't meet any of the above criteria.:roll:


Me too!!

[Redbear]

I avoid harbour raids myself, don't like being in shallow water.

[Kapitan Soniboy]

I find the type IIa very good when raiding harbors because of its small size in shallow waters :know:

[TigerShark808]

Shameless exploit....

Hell, I sailed into Liverpool during GWX testing, sunk whatever was sinkable, and even surfaced for a while to get some fresh air before making my way back out

I've been to all British harbours, and almost all in the med, as well as some odd ones like st. Helena and have only been sunk doing so in Tobruk and Malta, although there were some tense moments elsewhere too, like getting bombed by the luftwaffe while in the middle of Bristol Harbor

I don't do harbors in career play, although you will find me hunting in the Irish Sea until late 1942 :arrgh!:

I guess that would depend on the weather. Went into Scapa Flow with no vis and destroyed everything and ran on top at flank speed. Not a problem getting away.

Went into Scapa with clear sky and well..had to make another career soon after.