You never know when you might need a steam locomotive

[AntEater]

http://www.frankfurt-historischeeisenbahn.de/Bilder/Homburger%20Damm/AZ13.JPG

http://www.frankfurt-historischeeisenbahn.de/Bilder/Homburger%20Damm/AZ10.JPG

Taken last year during railway maintenance work in Frankfurt
Kriegslok/War cargo locomotive 52 4867 (Build 1943) at work.
Not exactly environment friendly but surely gets the job done.
There are a lot of steam engines around in museums or for tourists, but to find one actually doing real work in 21st century Europe....

[AntEater]

Kind of both, a result of railway privatization.
This one and a DR 01 express locomotive build 1934 belong to the historic railway association in Frankfurt.
Back in the 1980s they only used the harbor railway in Frankfurt, because in those times steam engines were banned from DB owned tracks.

Now the Deutsche Bahn AG outsourced much of its track maintenance, but they have to rent locomotives from the DB AG.
Problem is, there are no suitable locomotives based in Frankfurt, and having one sent over from somewhere else would've cost the contractor too much.
So with agreement from DB AG, they hired the 52 and paid almost the usual rent for a cargo locomotive. Apparently they were satisfied and plan to use the 52 again.
Wo would've thought that privatization of the railway throws us back into the steam age?

[AVGWarhawk]

She is a beautiful loco. I always loved steam engines. They really are a piece of work and engineering marvel. When I was a kid, I always bought the steam engines. Just something about them.

[Letum]

Gah!
European, American and Asian Steam trains are so UGLY!
Pipes all over, chunky blocks, tiny wheels and very slow.

Not like the smooth lines of the brand new Pacific A1 train currently under testing for
mainline service at my home city of York.

Many of her components where built at the submarine works in Portsmouth.
I saw her going past my place of work at 70+ MPH during a test run. Beautiful!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2746089301_b8f72650e8.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

This is a beautiful engine. Clunky? Not to my eye. She could hit close to 100.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/IMG_1700.jpg

[bradclark1]

Love those steam locomotives. There is a place in my state where you can operate one for a 1/2 hour for $250.

[Oberon]

:D :D :D :D :D

She's a beaut alright :up:





Not like the smooth lines of the brand new Pacific A1 train currently under testing for
mainline service at my home city of York.

Many of her components where built at the submarine works in Portsmouth.
I saw her going past my place of work at 70+ MPH during a test run. Beautiful!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2746089301_b8f72650e8.jpg

[Letum]

This is a beautiful engine. Clunky? Not to my eye. She could hit close to 100.

I'll see you 'close to' 100 in a chunky collection of pipes and raise you....

126 MPH (and capable of 130+!) in a beautifully curved and polished steam machine
that captured all the best aspects of the new Streamline Moderne Art Deco of the
1930s.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Mallard_locomotive_625.jpg

The Mallard is the work of Visionary artists and engineers.

Your train is the work of some deranged plumber on a caffeine bender!


Again, this beauty is in working order and in my home city of York. I have taken a ride
in one of her 6 sister trains. (below)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Union-of-South-Africa.jpg/800px-Union-of-South-Africa.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Here is the question, was the design for airflow or was it more appealing to the eye? They are beautiful, clunk or no cluck. :D

[Letum]

Here is the question, was the design for airflow or was it more appealing to the eye? They are beautiful, clunk or no cluck. :D
Both.
It was tested in an air tunnel, which was something very new in the 1930s.
It has the speed record, despite having a lower pressure boiler and more weight then
some of it's contemporarys.

Beauty was also a big consideration. The railways used to sell them selves on their
glamor, romance and beauty.

The closest you will get to glamor, romance and/or beauty on the railway these days
is....errrr.....mmm, well. The less said the better. (http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/)

[AVGWarhawk]

The American dabbled in the airflow. Maybe European design. Not sure.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/nyc_5344.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Look up the German V-8 steam engine. She is really nice.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/db19001.jpg

[Letum]

The V8 is nice.
but that other one looks like something from HalfLife's Combine...
http://www.b3tards.com/u/57a418c694bc7c6296b3/combinetrain.jpg

[Task Force]

Cool, I love steam engines, more than these modern trains. They almost all have there own persionalitys.:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

How about this one:


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/p01364.jpg

[Task Force]

One of my persional favorites. Norfolk & Westerns 611 j class. (there were more than 1, but this is the only surviveing one. It is in a museam.)

http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib014/611.JPG

[AVGWarhawk]

She is a very beautiful piece of work. :up:

[Letum]

One of my persional favorites. Norfolk & Westerns 611 daylight. (there were more than 1, but this is the only surviveing one. It is in a museam.)

[pic]

That's more like it!
Well proportioned, not too extravagant....almost English. ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

Here is an interesting picture. K-4 before and after streamlining.


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/prr-i3.jpg

[SteamWake]

Everyone always pulls out the mallard.

I think if you check out the mallard they were expensive to operate, unreliable, and not as fast as advertised. But hey they look cool.

Ive been a railfan for some time now, i play ms train simulator and kujo's railsim, also have a mostly finished N scale layout.

Id post some pictures but left the stupid cable for the camera at work... maybe tommorrow.

[bookworm_020]

I always did like the look of the 3801 here in Australia

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5176/3801bar9.jpg

[Falkirion]

Wow good to see some good old steam powered locos doing some work. I haven't seen a steam powered train on the Melbourne network for a long time, but there's a huge rail museum over in Williamstown here in Melb.

Great pictures, always good to have a wander down memory lane with those engineering marvels. Even better since I work in the rail industry.

[VipertheSniper]

The most beautiful steamer we ever had in Austria...

kkStB 310
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/31023_Wien_Traisengasse.jpg/800px-31023_Wien_Traisengasse.jpg

[AntEater]

Lol, everybody offers streamline locomotives when I post a 52.

The Reichsbahn Class 52 was maybe the exact contrary:
A perfect example of KISS. The german war machine needed steam locomotives in WW2, so an emergency program was created to build these extremely simplified cargo locomotives. Over 2000 were build.
They were designed to last 5 years, the last one left service 1993! In east Germany (railway wasn't unified until 1995), that is, in Poland they lasted even a few years longer and Russia alledgedly still has them in storage.
I've seen one in a museum that had dozens of patched .50 cal holes and still served another 40 years.
These things can haul stuff around, but certainly are not fast and won't win any beauty contest.

The Reichsbahn had streamlined engines as well:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/05001_Nuernberg_2006-08.jpg/300px-05001_Nuernberg_2006-08.jpg
Allready shown, engine 05 001, build 1935. Class 05 was some kind of "Über-01"
The Mallard beat this one by a mere mile per hour and had a downhill track.

Also there is the 18 201, the fasted operational steam locomotive in the world
http://www.mein-ostdeutschland.de/imedia/229/6229_xQiPKZNgD50q3L0Dl7nvoy1OKdW3IZeS_CoS2MzXIPg=. jpg

Privately owned, can do 180 km/h.
This singleton was, for testing purposes, build by the GDR in 1960.
Or better, they build it out of this one, the Henschel-Wegmann experimental streamlined locomotive from 1939.

http://www.elektrolok.de/xU/te_61001_hwz.jpg

These are actually the same engines.

But my favorite is still the DR class 01, the "Flagship" of the Weimar Republic era Reichsbahn
http://www.frankfurt-historischeeisenbahn.de/Bilder/Fulda/Fulda05.jpg

01 118, build by Krupp in 1934, same owners as the 52 in the first pics.
Still in original condition, served continously from 1934 to 1984.

[August]

Some ugly American steam locomotives:

http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/4449jul02-1.jpg

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/florida/magickingdom3.jpg

http://sbiii.com/bwrkapix/t3shrkcf.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

For some reason I don't fancy much British machines, I like a bit of clunkyness though I don't like most American machines, too bulky for me. My favourites are German machines from 1900 up until 1945.
The V8 is a great machine, but my favourite would be this one, nice mix of beauty and beast (~1908) :cool: :
http://www.eisenbahnwelten.de/dpics/18-478_backnang1_2001.jpg

And her older sister (~1905)
http://www.brawa.de/uploads/tx_userinhaltsseite/0652-dampflok-br-15-drg_01.jpg


There's one American machine I do like though, France bought a lot of these after the war:
http://lmollard.free.fr/trainsim-spirit/images/141R420-01.jpg

Badass look and she's got lovely "ears" :D


Agreed, these are beautiful pieces of art/engineering. The German V-8 was quite an engineering marvel.

[Oberon]

Aye, Mallard hit 126.5mph but it was downhill (Stoke bank) and she paid the price for it, with her big end overheating and her having to limp back to Peterborough after the record was made and then back to Doncaster for repairs.
But, she is a beaut alright. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say, for example, I happen to love the following locos:

The Stroudley A1X Terrier tank locomotive
http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/~uhaa009/bb/locos/72/759_001.JPG

Unrebuilt Bulleid West Country class

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/images/sl22d07a.jpg

Stirling Single

http://www.lner.info/eng/stirling_no1.jpg

Riddles Standard class 9F

http://www.eastsomersetrailway.com/media/images/medium/2/2574_scan0003.jpg

And finally, the Bulleid Q1...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/SR_Q1_C1_at_York_Railfest.JPG/800px-SR_Q1_C1_at_York_Railfest.JPG

[Letum]

Ahh! the Q1; so ugly it is almost beautiful.

Yet another of the trains currently in my home City of York. :D

[August]

The Union Pacific "Big Boy" locomotives have always interested me. They were some absolute behemoths!

http://www.bigboyposter.com/Big_Boy_54in_Promo_Shot_op_684x446.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/bigboy/information/dimensions/4019profile.jpg

[VipertheSniper]

And finally, the Bulleid Q1...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/SR_Q1_C1_at_York_Railfest.JPG/800px-SR_Q1_C1_at_York_Railfest.JPG

This looks to be pretty prone to derailing...

[bookworm_020]

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/images/sl22d07a.jpg

Stirling Single


My dad has that one on his N guage model railway!:up: He has a range of other english and German trains in his collection. He's going to buy a N guage Tangara, so when my Nephew comes to play he can drive Uncle Paul's "train":D

[Task Force]

Some ugly American steam locomotives:

http://www.trainweb.org/mccann/4449jul02-1.jpg

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/florida/magickingdom3.jpg

http://sbiii.com/bwrkapix/t3shrkcf.jpg
The first one was the sothernpicifics daylight, that pic of her was taken when she was stored in a park, (if I remember it correctly) after she pulled the Freedom train accost america. she was restored to her origional colours (black with a orange stripe along the center), along with some of here origional coaches. (I have a old VHS tape on her.)

The second one is what is called a 10 wheeler, a old train.

Ill have to look the last one up in my books, I think It was powered by a coal turbine.:-?

[Task Force]

The Union Pacific "Big Boy" locomotives have always interested me. They were some absolute behemoths!

http://www.bigboyposter.com/Big_Boy_54in_Promo_Shot_op_684x446.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/bigboy/information/dimensions/4019profile.jpg
Yes the big boy is anouther of my favorites, It was built to haul long heavy loads of freight up the steep grades for Union Pacific, There is still one left running I believe, there is also anouther steam locomotive running on Union pacific`s lines. Norfolk & Western had similar locomotives like this. that were built in Roanoke Virginia at the Norfolk & westerns shops, they were used to get the coal from the coal feilds of the Appalachian Plateau, and west virginia to the coal ports in locations like Norfolk Va. Engines like the Big boy were known as articulated locomotives, because the front driveing wheels could turn indipendintly from the back set of driveing wheels if I remember it from the book correctly. There was also anouther type of this locomotive, it was a cab foward version. (cab in front) version of this train. It had its cab and boiler in the front of it.:yep:
http://www.cttrains.com/Lionel_Pictures/6-11143.jpg

[Task Force]

Here is an interesting picture. K-4 before and after streamlining.


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/prr-i3.jpg

Wow, those Pennsylvania railroad K4s look a lot different when streamlined, they look quite nice for a freight locomotive when they are streamlined.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Doesn't anyone have an appreciation for "beautiful functionality" besides the Germans? (btw, what is the word for that?)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o264/charlie143james/dash9s.jpg

One of my favorite locomotives to drive. I love steam engines, but none of them have the power and no-nonsense attitude of a modern diesel. There's a beauty in this machine as well.

edit- a triple header consist of DASH-9-44CWs pulling a coal train

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, but the diesels do not have that allure and romance stigmata about them. It just looks like a work engine only. Movies like Murder on the Orient Express kind of made the steam engine romantic. Personally, I find steam engines engineering marvels.

[AntEater]

For subsimmers, diesels should hold some appeal, because most US diesel engines were based on submarine diesels.
But there are some diesel trains that are classics too.
DB Class V 200, a classic 1960s design:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/V200_033_F%C3%BCrth.jpg

TEE DB Class 601
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/BR601-BDE.jpg


Its east german counterpart, DR Class VT 18.16
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Baureihe_VT_18.16_-_2.jpg

[Letum]

My dad has that one on his N guage model railway!:up: He has a range of other english
and German trains in his collection. He's going to buy a N guage Tangara, so when my
Nephew comes to play he can drive Uncle Paul's "train":D

Ahh! My old man models in 'N' to.

[SteamWake]

My dad has that one on his N guage model railway!:up: He has a range of other english
and German trains in his collection. He's going to buy a N guage Tangara, so when my
Nephew comes to play he can drive Uncle Paul's "train":D

Ahh! My old man models in 'N' to.

I do too... promise to get some pictures up this week ;)

In the meantime.... All aboard !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKOEQVgONh0

[AntEater]

That is not a fail train, but a mass transit win.
:up:

That is a victorian age
http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/fail-train.jpg

[TarJak]

We still have the lovely 3801 ruinning around (only for show mind):
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b300/sinankev/3801.jpg

[HunterICX]

Yes, but the diesels do not have that allure and romance stigmata about them. It just looks like a work engine only. Movies like Murder on the Orient Express kind of made the steam engine romantic. Personally, I find steam engines engineering marvels.

Same here,
I can watch for example at a steam engine that runs a factory for hours....the sound and the smell cant be surpassed its nice to see every part moving.

HunterICX

[Task Force]

Heres a video of that Norfolk and western J class (and that Norfolk and western engine that looks a little bit like the bigboy.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2VZ-YXGnk&feature=related

that other train, the daylight I was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfnVxmuLc8U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BoneLVUYg&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWJAa1UZlI&feature=channel

I didnt even know SP ran this train anymore... one of these videos was taken on December 8th 08.

[NEON DEON]

The American VT 22 4-4-0

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/25787/Photo_2007_9_24_23_54_22_edited.jpg

How the west was won:D

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/36034/P-1798.JPG

I think this is the engine they nicked the Iron Horse.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/19001/rs0686west18_RRarchive.jpg

[Frame57]

Trains are cool. I always wanted to build one of those mini sets with a logging camp or something like that. maybe when i retire...