Extra-long survival conception, or simple 8 Ns.

[Alex Schtolz]

Task Force thread “How far into your career are you”?http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=139739
She-Wolf thread “What am I doing wrong”
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=144851&page=2
inspired me to invent new U-Boot Waffe conception for kalois interested in extra long survival.

1. Never attack single ships or convoys after spring 1941 in misty rainy weather (view lower then 400 m) in daytime and nighttime too.
2. Never try to explore enemy harbors except deep harbors of volcanic islands, Curacao and Bridgetown for example.
3. Never fight with enemy aircrafts, Alarmtauchens only.
4. Never continue you way on the surface in bad view weather (view less than 2000 meters) if enemy radar was detected. If this is an aircraft you’ll fail to submerge unharmed.
5. Never attack convoys on calm seas at daytime (wind speed less then 4 m/s). Otherwise your periscope will be definitely detected. Wait for the dusk to come.
6. Never fight with more then one destroyer.
7. Never surface after first convoy attack. Fire all your torpedoes if possible, then go deeper then 100, turn off e-maschinen, no torps uploads. Stay deep and motionless no less then two hours.
8. Never come to artillery duels, you are not battleship commander!

Criticism and additions are welcomed.

[Task Force]

Amasingly, I have survived a surface battle with a armed tralwer.:yep:

[xxx]

Done that twice but have lost one crew member every time... :damn:

[Sledgehammer427]

Never put posts in tiny white letters....:dead:

[IanC]

:lol:

[Red Heat]

Never put posts in tiny white letters....:dead:

its quite dificult to read anything...sorry! :dead:

[ppk]

Why the first one? I don't see why one wouldn't attack lone merchants whatever the weather. Use the S-Gerat for ranging when you're in a storm, and sink them.. Just make sure there isn't anyone else around to hear you :P ...and please post your text bigger next time?

[Sandman_28054]

Amasingly, I have survived a surface battle with a armed tralwer.:yep:

I've really never had any bad battles with Armed Trawlers or Corvetts provided I have at least 2000 meters between me and them.

Sometimes I can separate the Corvetts from the convoy, trail them off about 6-7000 meters from the convoy, surface and duke it out with my DG. I have sank 8 this way. About 10-15 rnds of HE and 5-10 rnds of AP will do the trick.

Never run the surface in any type of weather off the East coast of the U.S.

Those PBY's know right where you are.

[Sledgehammer427]

yup yup.

Alex, don't be alarmed, you have a good list of "never-do's"
and, as a matter of fact, i only have one, and its a quote nonetheless

Just because you're paranoid...doesn't mean the other b******s not out to get ya.
paranoid is the name of the game in SHIII+GWX 2.1 (can't wait for gold!)

[meduza]

1. Never attack single ships or convoys after spring 1941 in misty rainy weather (view lower then 400 m) in daytime and nighttime too.

You can easily attack single ships in low visibility, as long as you stay submerged and use hydrophones to approach, and periscope once the target is in visual range (about 700m). Attacking a convoy in such a conditions is a bad idea.


5. Never attack convoys on calm seas at daytime (wind speed less then 4 m/s). Otherwise your periscope will be definitely detected. Wait for the dusk to come.

I disagree. Keep your periscope very low and exposed for a short time and you won't be detected. Going slow helps.

6. Never fight with more then one destroyer.
:hmm: Not quite sure what you mean. Why would you fight the destroyers? Only reason I can think of is when you can't shake them off, and you're low on air. Your ontly option is to try sinking them. But then the number of DDs is not that important, as you're probably dead anyway. I managed to do it only once or twice.


7. Never surface after first convoy attack. Fire all your torpedoes if possible, then go deeper then 100, turn off e-maschinen, no torps uploads. Stay deep and motionless no less then two hours.
It's a bit too paranoid :D. Once the destroyers lose contact with me, I increase the speed to quickly move away, and surface when they are out of visual range.


I agree with other "rules", and would like to add another one:
Don't attack escorted ships in shallow waters.

[Lzs von swe]

1. Never attack single ships or convoys after spring 1941 in misty rainy weather (view lower then 400 m) in daytime and nighttime too.

I think this is more true after spring 1942, when Allied radar comes into play:hmm:
Then you have to change tactics.
Never surface in low visibility (until you get the first radar warner).

[Kipparikalle]

Actually, gun duel even with an convoy's all escorts is possible, and to walk away from alive, thought with damage. Is possible

Even after 1942, actually. It's a bit easier then, when more and more DD's are hunt class with only 1-2 deckguns. Due to the concerning of hunting underwater submarines.


Althought, this requires a quite of exprience with surface engaging.
And distance, and by distance I talk about 10KM

Because, in this time you got time to calculate the distance between you and the ships, and perhaps deliver some damaging hits on the closest one.

But this requires patience, and the balls to not dive after getting couple of hits


I recommend practising on lone DD's before launching an surface attack on a convoy

[Sailor Steve]

I'd love to see you try that in real life. Or at least GWX.:rotfl:

[meduza]

I actually engaged a DD in gun duel, in GWX. I just installed Realistic Torpedo damage mod and wanted to see how it works, so I set up a Single mission and let my boat and DD exchange fire.
You can imagine my surprise when DD sank. :D

[Sledgehammer427]

6. Never fight with more then one destroyer.
to me...
thats like telling an infant not to crap itself....

[Alex Schtolz]

Why the first one? I don't see why one wouldn't attack lone merchants whatever the weather. Use the S-Gerat for ranging when you're in a storm, and sink them.. Just make sure there isn't anyone else around to hear you :P ...and please post your text bigger next time?

The reason is that in the bad weather you can easily loose visual contact with a ship, especially if it goes faster then your boat. You can find it only surfacing, approaching to a very close range: 400 m. and when you approach there is strong possibility for you to receive several shells to your hull after spring 1941. Very disappointing! (And dangerous for your future fights).

Sledgehammer427

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6. Never fight with more then one destroyer.
to me...
thats like telling an infant not to crap itself....

Maybe you are cool enough to fight with the three or four DDs, but I’m not. Amazingly in my experience the most breakable damage to my Boot was made not by wasserbombs, but by crashes with destroyers. Once it happened when I being hunted tried to fire torp at one, and estimating speed, bowangele etc , suddenly heard another approaching to a death distance – alamtauchen, desperate turn 50 degrees backboard – grinding sound of two hulls crashing one another, my result was: right eclectic machine destroyed, right and left diesels destroyed, both periscopes destroyed 2 000 miles to Loriant from Cape Verde…


meduza

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Originally Posted by Alex Schtolz
5. Never attack convoys on calm seas at daytime (wind speed less then 4 m/s). Otherwise your periscope will be definitely detected. Wait for the dusk to come.



I disagree. Keep your periscope very low and exposed for a short time and you won't be detected. Going slow helps.

Possible. Accept. But one small addition: attack in case of calm almost windless weather since the range 3000 – 2000 meters.
I was influences by SH III Manual advice to fire torps since the range no more, better less then 1 000 meters. Maybe all my daytime detection troubles came from my Manual instructed behavior. Today I attacked passenger ship and Fuji Class since the range of 2 000 m. 3 torpedoes hit the targets, escort DDs began to chase me kilometers away from my location.

[ppk]

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Originally Posted by ppk
Why the first one? I don't see why one wouldn't attack lone merchants whatever the weather. Use the S-Gerat for ranging when you're in a storm, and sink them.. Just make sure there isn't anyone else around to hear you :P ...and please post your text bigger next time?


The reason is that in the bad weather you can easily loose visual contact with a ship, especially if it goes faster then your boat. You can find it only surfacing, approaching to a very close range: 400 m. and when you approach there is strong possibility for you to receive several shells to your hull after spring 1941. Very disappointing! (And dangerous for your future fights).

It's true you shouldn't be racing on the surface trying to find a target when in a storm. However, if there is a storm you're probably going to be below the surface hunting for contacts with the hydrophones. If you do find something, the storm is no excuse to let it get away if you are close enough to intercept. Other factors (damage, batteries, etc) can however make you reconsider that. Like I said, you can use the S-Gerat to get accurate ranging information in low visibility and pretty much fire your eels without raising the periscope (almost).