Massacre in Mumbai

[lesrae]

Another terrorist attack in India, this one looks well organised and is targeting US/UK citizens.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751160.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7751160.stm)

[baggygreen]

I have been watching this one unfold all morning

Some of the blogs round the place are blaming the attacks on the US being warmongers yada yada. The ignorance is appalling.

Unfortunately for the Indians, trying to uncover a plot in a country of more than a billion people would be just slightly difficult.

According to one witness, the gunmen were driving round in police cars, asking for passports and then shooting.

all very unfortunate really..

[bookworm_020]

Looks like it will be a big mess and will cause all sorts of long term troubles.

Gunmaen in police cars, police in taxis, it's going nuts!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/gunmen-in-police-cars-police-in-taxis/2008/11/27/1227491694263.html

[DeepIron]

Terrorism is like a cancer; treat it in one place, and it will break out in another... :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Looks like just one big crazy mess.....the world is slowly going mad :nope:

[Happy Times]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.

[1480]

I'm gonna say a prayer for my brothers and sisters on the other side of the world who are done with their tour of duty. Thank you one and all, it's now your time to get some rest.

[Vinay]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.

Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.

[HunterICX]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.

Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.

Just ignore him, against terrorists no training is enough, they are out to kill and they will take down as many with them before they have been brought down.

Making decisions in this situation is hard, the Indian commandos are trying their best and I hope for the best outcome for the ones that got stuck in the middle of this mess

HunterICX

[mr chris]

Well i have managed to get in contact with a friend who had only just started out on there travels and was in Mumbai at the time. Fortunately she is save and well.
My thoughts go out to the familys of the people who were not so lucky.

[Vinay]

They had to clear three huge buildings. Remember all they did it while it was telecasted live.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5251313.ece

[Skybird]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.

Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
I must agree. If there is a failure to be marked, then in the realms of the Indian intel services who obviously got completely surprised. On the other hand, they were up against tough enemies, the attackers are so far identified as being allied to an islamic mother group that gets its people educated and trained in Pakistani Quran schools, and the preparation of such terror strikes like now often includes massive assistance by the Pakistani intelligence and security service ISI which is quite sympathetic to Islamic terrorists. Links to al Quaeda so far are not porven, but are assumed due to the huge effort in preparation they must have taken.

Gotta love Pakistan. Mention Islamic terror, and you end up with Pakistan and ISI, always Pakistan and ISI, and then again: Pakistan and ISI. Every Pakistani city hosting an office of the ISI or a Quran school should be turned into a crater.

[Skybird]

Remember all they did it while it was telecasted live.


Yes. If that is no bad joke. They should have cut the cables from the beginning on.

[Jimbuna]

Remember all they did it while it was telecasted live.


Yes. If that is no bad joke. They should have cut the cables from the beginning on.

The same as in 1980 when the SAS entered the Iranian Embassy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_Siege

I think the Indian response was probably as good as it could be under extremely difficult circumstances.

Can anyone imagine the carnage had they not intervened. :o

[Vinay]

Remember all they did it while it was telecasted live.

Yes. If that is no bad joke. They should have cut the cables from the beginning on.

That was done. But the terrorists were using Blackberry devices and satellite phones to communicate with their masters. Hence they got to know about what is happening.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/attacks-to-put-blackberry-services-under-scanner/392101/

[Vinay]

'Terrorists planned to kill 5000 people'
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/26-update-terror-in-mumbai.htm

How Karkare, Kamte and Salaskar were killed
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29mumterror-how-karkare-kamte-salaskar-were-killed.htm

[Skybird]

Next time we must down those satellites then. :smug:

[Vinay]

Arrested terrorist reveals all to police
NDTV Correspondent
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Election_Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080074564&type=News


Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:24 PM (Mumbai)
The mission being carried out by the security forces to flush terrorists out of the Taj finally ended on Saturday morning. After more than 60 hours of intense encounter, the guns fell silent and the bloodshed stopped.

The encounter, that lasted the longest, ended with the killing of four terrorists holed up inside. But Mumbai has paid a heavy price for it.

Almost 200 people are dead and these numbers do not include the casualties at the Taj yet. At least 18 foreigners are among the dead.

The security forces have managed to kill nine terrorists. One of them, AA Qasad, was caught alive and is currently being interrogated by Mumbai Police.

During his preliminary interrogation, Qasad believed to have reportedly told police, "I have done right and I have no regrets." He has also admitted to being a member of the Lashkar.

Qasab also told the police that he and his associate Ismail Khan were the ones who shot Anti-Terror Squad chief Hemant Karkare, encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte.

According to the police, Qasab had booked rooms in the Taj where the explosives were kept.

Terrorists showed Mauritian ID Cards and posed as students to the hotel. Indian ID cards were recovered from two terrorists at the Oberoi Trident.

A recce of all the locations were done around four months ago by a different group of terrorists.

They studied the satellite pictures of the hotels, various locations and made detailed maps.

Qasad is reportedly from Faridkot in Pakistan and has been remanded to police custody till December 8.

[Vinay]

The media was the most uncontrollable. They were beaming live videos similar to 9/11. In one way it's good that the people all over the world will come to know what's happening but on the other hand it helps the terrorists as well.

[Vinay]

Now in custody: Face of Mumbai's terror
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29mumterror-now-in-custody-face-of-mumbai-terror.htm
http://im.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29nlook2.jpg
Photo courtesy: Sebastian D'souza/Mumbai Mirror


They may have come prepared for raining death and havoc on innocents, but the sole terrorist arrested (http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/27mum-lashkar-0operative-ismail-arrested-for-attacks.htm) in the audacious terror strike on Mumbai is not so sure he himself wanted to die, says the tabloid Mumbai Mirror. His photograph was the one that was flashed by all the media on Thursday, of a young man clad in a Versace t-shirt and cargo pants, a haversack on his back, holding an Ak-56 rifle and walking across Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus [Images (http://search.rediff.com/imgsrch/default.php?MT=chhatrapati%20shivaji%20terminus)], firing indiscriminately.
Mumbai Mirror quotes the Anti Terrorist Squad confirming that this is the terrorist who is currently in custody.
On Wednesday night, this terrorist spewed bullets in CST station and killing a large number of innocents, before moving to Metro cinema junction nearby, and from there towards Girgaum Chowpatty [Images (http://search.rediff.com/imgsrch/default.php?MT=girgaum%20chowpatty)] where in an encounter he shot dead inspector Tukaram Umbale from the Gamdevi police station.
Another Mumbai tabloid, Mid-Day, says this terrorist was the one who shot ATS chief Hemant Karkare [Images (http://search.rediff.com/imgsrch/default.php?MT=hemant%20karkare)], encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte outside CST station, and quotes Mumbai Commissioner Hasan Gafoor to confirm this.
From here the terrorist escaped in Salaskar's own vehicle towards Metro cinema and finally towards Girgaum Chowpatty in a stolen Skoda car (http://specials.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/27slid1-skoda-car-chase.htm) where, while his co-terrorist was shot down, he was captured.
Mumbai Mirror describes the terrorist in custody as being around 21 years old, speaking fluent English, and hailing from Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan.
The newspaper says this terrorist, after being shot in the hand, pretended to be dead but was found out on the way to hospital and was promptly arrested.
He was initially tight-lipped but cracked up on seeing the mutilated body of the other terrorist and cried out, 'I do not want to die, please put me on saline.'
Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST station were recovered from the terrorist, who is said to be singing like a canary in custody.
According to the tabloid, the chief of the terrorist operation had come to Mumbai a month ago, took photographs of the various sites, filmed strategic locations apart from training the group to 'kill till the last breath'. Each terrorist was given 6-7 magazines with 50 bullets, eight hand grenades an AK-57, automatic loading revolver and a supply of dry fruits.
The terrorist told his interrogators that the group had left Karachi in one boat and on reaching Gujarat hoisted a white flag. On interception by the Coast Guard near Porbandar and being questioned by its two officers, they managed to kill one of them and overpowering the other, forcing him to take them till Mumbai. A few nautical miles away, there were three speedboats waiting for them, which they took to reach the Colaba coast after killing the other Coast Guard officer as well.
On landing the 10 men broke up into groups. Four went to the Taj Mahal hotel [Images (http://search.rediff.com/imgsrch/default.php?MT=taj%20mahal%20hotel)], two to Trident, two towards Nariman House, and two towards CST station -- one of them being the captured terrorist.
He is currently kept in an undisclosed location where the police interrogation has been so intense that he went back on what he told the hospital authorities. 'Now I don't want to live,' the newspaper reports him as saying.

[Happy Times]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.

Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.

Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.

[HunterICX]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys. I must agree. If there is a failure to be marked, then in the realms of the Indian intel services who obviously got completely surprised.

Well, all Intel services has failed from what I've seen
9/11, 11 march, London, Munich Olympics shall I go on?

its easy to judge this afterwards, it sadly happens all the time somewhere.

HunterICX

[OneToughHerring]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.

Wait a second, from what I've read at least one Finn left that restaurant out of his own free will after the situation had quited down a little. Care to show a link to this alledged incident?

[Happy Times]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.

Wait a second, from what I've read at least one Finn left that restaurant out of his own free will after the situation had quited down a little. Care to show a link to this alledged incident?

The interwiew was in IS or IL, not going to go looking for it now, im going out tonight for dinner and good old boozing.

[Jimbuna]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.

Wait a second, from what I've read at least one Finn left that restaurant out of his own free will after the situation had quited down a little. Care to show a link to this alledged incident?

The interwiew was in IS or IL, not going to go looking for it now, im going out tonight for dinner and good old boozing.

Take care in picking which restaurant you go to ;)

[Vinay]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.
Don't want your praise. No one asked for it. During such a bad times blaming someone is not good. Be it the Israelis or the U.S no one must have done anything better against terrorists who got military training. This is not your Taliban but men trained by a military force, the Pakistani Army.

Who kicked whom? Seems rumours.

[Vinay]

Happy times, It seems you are from Finland. Rumours are that the U.S security guards came to the hotel and took away the american consul general by force just before the attack. For that why you should show your anger towards Indians.

[Happy Times]

The incompetence of the Indian "commandos" is apalling, they are still shooting in Mumbai..:dead:
Lets see how many westerners they will find from the ruble, somehow i think the number could rise. One Finn was wounded and many others got a close call, two where kicked out of their hide out by the locals :roll:
I dont think i will travel anytime soon in the hell hole called India.
Buddy that is the most unwanted of comments. I found it outrageous and inhumane.

The poor chaps laid down their lives trying to save others. The greatest sacrifice. We are thankful to those guys.
Look, you can do things like you want but i dont have to give praise.
Ask any well trained counter terrorist operative and he will not give any either.
The battled 60 hours against 10 terrorists, Israel and probably others offered their own teams, i can imagine some hostages could be alive if the request wasnt turned down.
I find it outrageous and inhumane that Indians in a packed restaurant kicked out two of my countrymen hiding there.
I can see the business and strategic co-operation against Pakistan between India and West as positive but thats about it.
Don't want your praise. No one asked for it. During such a bad times blaming someone is not good. Be it the Israelis or the U.S no one must have done anything better against terrorists who got military training. This is not your Taliban but men trained by a military force, the Pakistani Army.

Who kicked whom? Seems rumours.

Im from a culture critical to everything and mistakes especially, its not intended for someone to loose face but to learn and improve.
Im sorry but the Indian special forces are not in par with the western ones.
If the little things arent right, im going to assume the bigger ones arent either.
Same goes for the Pakistani Army and their training.

Its not a rumor but you can always argue they are lying.

[Happy Times]

Happy times, It seems you are from Finland. Rumours are that the U.S security guards came to the hotel and took away the american consul general by force just before the attack. For that why you should show your anger towards Indians.

So you accuse me of spreading rumors so that you can post yours.:up:

[Vinay]

This crisis is totally different from a hostage crisis. There are no hostages as such in this attack. The terrorists were killing anyone and everyone who they saw. The objective is to kill as many as possible and the target given to them was to kill 5000 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459284,00.html) people. Also the most difficult part for the Commandos was that the terrorists were not staying in one particular area of the hotel but moving around it. They were well trained (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Ex-soldier_from_Pak_trained_terrorists_says_Kasab/articleshow/3776975.cms) and had heavy firepower with AK-47's and grenades. Four buildings were under seige. The Taj hotel, Oberoi hotel, Trident hotel and Nariman house. Also you under estimate the Pakistani military. It is not that all the men in Pakistani military are useless and run away when fired. You lose the war if you did not understand your enemy.

[Vinay]

Happy times, It seems you are from Finland. Rumours are that the U.S security guards came to the hotel and took away the american consul general by force just before the attack. For that why you should show your anger towards Indians.
So you accuse me of spreading rumors so that you can post yours.:up:

Can you post any links to the incident and info on it.

[SteamWake]

Pakistan.... "We had nothing to do with this.... but... "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,464046,00.html

[Jimbuna]

Now the England Test Cricket team have returned to the country :doh:

[Vinay]

Now the England Test Cricket team have returned to the country :doh:

Returned to the country. If you meant returned to India, then it may be beause of this.
Terrorists in Pakistan planning over 20 attacks on Britain, says Gordon Brown


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/3757357/Terrorists-in-Pakistan-planning-over-20-attacks-on-Britain-says-Gordon-Brown.html

The Prime Minister named Pakistan as a haven for terrorists planning attacks in Britain, revealing that around three quarters of the most advanced plots monitored by MI5 are have Pakistani links.
Officials say that the Security Service is aware of around 30 serious plots at any given moment, suggesting that at least 21 of them are tied to Pakistani groups.
On a visit to Islamabad, the Prime Minister delived a blunt demand to President Ali Asif Zardari to improve his goverment's work to prevent al-Qaeda and other groups operating in the lawless area that borders Afghanistan.
"The time has come for action not words," Mr Brown told Mr Zardari.
At a press conference, Mr Brown revealed that he had told Mr Zardari that "three quarters of the most serious plots investigated by the British authorities have links to al-Qaeda in Pakistan".
Many known terrorists including Mohammed Siddique Khan, ringleader of the 7/7 bombings, are known to have trained at al-Qaeda inspired camps in the Pakistani border areas.
In a private meeting Mr Brown told Mr Zardari he must do more to close those camps.
Mr Brown told reporters: "We must break the chain of terrorism that links the mountains of Afghanistan to the streets of Britain."
Mr Brown also announced increased British support for Pakistani counter-terrorism work, including greater support for Pakistani police work on detecting and defusing bombs.
The UK will also fund more scanning equipment at Pakistani airports
British police will also work with their Pakistani counterparts providing help with forensic science and contingency planning for major terrorist incidents.
There will also be a £6 million British fund to help Pakistan counter the radicalization of young Muslims.
The Prime Minister said his aim was to form "the most comprehensive anti-terror programme Britain has with any country".
Mr Brown said: "I want to help Pakistan root out terrorism. It is right that we help Pakistan root out terrorism."
He added: "People know that what can happen in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan can affect directly what happens on the streets of our towns. I want to remove the chain of terror."
Mr Brown also demanded Pakistan do more to stop miliants moving over the border into Afghanistan to attack British troops.
He said: "We have talked about how we can do more to ensure there is more security at the border. It is in all our interests to root out the problem where there are people who practice terror who are moving with ease."

[Vinay]

No country in the world is safe from terrorists orginating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. It's in the interest of the world to eliminate this terror.

http://www.petitiononline.com/PAK47/petition.html

[caspofungin]

"divide pakistan!" says the objective indian. :rotfl:

[Tribesman]

It's in the interest of the world to eliminate this terror.

That airliner full of people blown up off North America , that was Pakistani terrorists right ?
The recent massacres of Christians in your country , that was Pakistanis too ?
Them tiger fellows , the ones that brought terrorist suicide bombings to the modern world , that was the Pakistani military that aided them wasn't it ?

Sorry Vinay but have you ever heard about throwing stones and glass houses ?

[Vinay]

It's in the interest of the world to eliminate this terror.
That airliner full of people blown up off North America , that was Pakistani terrorists right ?
The recent massacres of Christians in your country , that was Pakistanis too ?
Them tiger fellows , the ones that brought terrorist suicide bombings to the modern world , that was the Pakistani military that aided them wasn't it ?

Sorry Vinay but have you ever heard about throwing stones and glass houses ?

Canandian Airline bombing. By whom. The Khalistanis. Headquatered in Pakistan. Abetted trained and supported by the Pakistani military. Tigers name their bases as Imran and Micheal bases. So you make out who are they. And you can ignore the epicenter of terror for your own good.

[Foxtrot]

Dude, you sound like a member of RSS / Shiv Sena and a follower of Bal Thakure (sp?) who dreams about some Akhand Bharat crap.

[August]

Dude, you sound like a member of RSS / Shiv Sena and a follower of Bal Thakure (sp?) who dreams about some Akhand Bharat crap.

Maybe he's wrong but you certainly ain't showing it.