Boats Collide Head On

[MothBalls]

Clear sky, looks like unlimited visibility, and these two rather large boats collide head-on.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee5_1227370683



I'm not a ship captain so I don't know all the rules. Who's fault was it?

[Digital_Trucker]

Looks like a case of not paying attention or too many "macho" captains not wanting to alter course.

[Task Force]

lol, I can see it now.

Is he gona turn.

Yea he is

Are you sure he dosent look like he is

he is

He still hasent...

Huge bang and boat starts shakeing

I dont think he turned

[Syxx_Killer]

That crunch sound is one sickening sound! :dead:

I think the boat off the starboard bow was at fault. I think you're suppose to go starboard-to-starboard when passing by.

[Raptor1]

This sorta reminds me of a certain Andrea Doria for some reason

[Task Force]

I pretty sure that it is starboard to starboard.:yep:

[Raptor1]

You are supposed to go starboard in case of a head-on collision

[fatty]

I read once that you are supposed to yield to boats approaching from starboard, which would put the boat the camera is on at fault.

[Task Force]

But somethings strange about this. Nither boat seems to see each other? Seems as if there was enought time to turn and miss. guess someone fell asleep at the wheel.:yep:

Its happend with ships and sailboats to. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=792_1182160475

[AntEater]

IMHO the rammed boat had right of way, as it was on the starboard bow of the other.


Btw, did someone make out the Flag?
Could be a lot of things, from egyptian over dutch to croatian.

[Raptor1]

Kinda blurry, but I would also bet on Croatian

[Task Force]

It looks like a dutch Flag but now that I see that there is a small blury symbol going down the middle of the white line. http://www.markfennell.com/flags/flags.gif

[Raptor1]

I don't think it's Dutch since it is quite visible that there is something in the middle (Much like the Croatian ensign), while the Dutch ensign does not

The colors seem very similar to the Croatian ensign as well

EDIT: Could actually be Paraguay

[Syxx_Killer]

If one or both boats had an autopilot that may be why they hit. Either way, that don't look fun. Maybe they had an autopilot using Silent Hunter's AI! :huh::88)

[HunterICX]

BERNAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!

HunterICX

[Task Force]

Yea, just noticed the little blury ensign in the middle. Probably as raptor said Croatian is probaly it.:yep:

[Raptor1]

Seeing as the whatever-it-is does not overlap with the top and bottom parts of the ensign, I would say it is almost certainly Paraguay

[Task Force]

hmmm, it could be ither one of the two, kind of hard to make out.

[Jimbuna]

BERNAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!

HunterICX

LOL :lol:

[SteamWake]

Starbord to Starbord... pfffft... more like stupid to stupid.

But Ive seen worse, much worse, first hand.

One of them cigarrette boats ripping through bear cut at some 40 knots slamming into the side of a fishnig charter. It wasent pretty.

Thats one of the busiest cuts in Biscayne Bay. Theres a reason the 20mph signs are there.

[Onkel Neal]

I blame Bush.

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe the larger vessel has the right of way. I'm going with Hunter on this one////BBBBBEEEERRRRRNNNNAAAAARRRRDDDD!!!!!:nope:

[Jimbuna]

Always check the headroom of a bridge

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p47L3kWCsx0

Never pick on someone bigger than yourself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE&feature=related

[Oberon]

Always check the headroom of a bridge

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p47L3kWCsx0

Never pick on someone bigger than yourself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE&feature=related


Watch where you drop anchor:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zoU1HczQJQM&feature=related

[MothBalls]

I blame Bush.

Sorry Sir, you'll have to take a number and wait in line just like everyone else.

[Sailor Steve]

IMHO the rammed boat had right of way, as it was on the starboard bow of the other.
Absolutely correct. The rule is that if you can see a red (port) light you must give way, as the ship to starboard has the right-of-way. This of course assumes that the ships are the same size, and there are other rules as well.

On the other hand, no-one at sea should ever assume anything, which is why things like this happen.

[Rilder]

I blame Bush.

Nah nah nah, it is clearly Obama's fault because he changed so much that it confused everybody else! :rotfl:

[Letum]

I don't blame the captains or crew.
It's hard to sail in such dense fog and poor visibility, especially when the sea is so rough.
A lot of people forget how hard it can be to manage such old fashioned ships in these conditions.

[Rockstar]

Both should have communicated their intentions by whistle signal (one short blast), radio or by making an obvious and timely course change. Each are responsible to take action to avoid collision and should have altered their course to starboard.


However, no matter what the circumstance of the case admit the little boat should always be aware of the rule of gross tonnage. In a collision the big boat wins so stay out of it's way or you'll get run over ;)

[magic452]

It seems to me that the little boat should have gone to periscope depth. :yep: :p

[Skybird]

I think this is a story about two guys who had to settle some old open bills. :lol:

[Jimbuna]

I agree with Neal....it was definitely Bush at fault :p

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ntMluaKA_c

[Kapt Z]

dumbasses!:roll:

[Task Force]

Bush+boat=disaster

bush+country=disaster

:lol:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm glad you know so much. Care to give a detailed explanation?

[Skybird]

Bush+boat=disaster

bush+country=disaster

:lol:
He wages disaster on land, in the air and on the seas!

[Rockstar]

Bush+boat=disaster

bush+country=disaster

:lol:
He wages disaster on land, in the air and on the seas!


wait until January 20th when Mr. Obama takes the helm. print more money for governement programs = hyper inflation (you think weimar republic had it bad). Troop pull out in ME, region in flames, europe crumbles under weight of Islam. Iran tests nuke, UN issues stern warnings.

[AVGWarhawk]

I blame Bush.

Yeah, it was Bush, notice the small boat is going to the RIGHT that caused the collision.

[McBeck]

IMHO the rammed boat had right of way, as it was on the starboard bow of the other. Absolutely correct. The rule is that if you can see a red (port) light you must give way, as the ship to starboard has the right-of-way. This of course assumes that the ships are the same size, and there are other rules as well.


Yup..you got that right. Im reading for the exam. However, you MUST always show good seamanship, so the rule can be overruled :)

[Hylander_1314]

Trouble is, most people get a boat, but don't bother to read the regulations. Manning the helm of any watercraft should be treated the same as driving a car, or flying a plane. The idiocy I view everytime I go to the lake to go fishing is downright frightening sometimes. I go back into an area where it's supposed to be a no-wake zone, and it's rather wide on the south side of the lake due to all the tree stumps in the area, yet people on jetskis and boaters will fly through the area at top speed, and then they get a stupid look on their faces when they hit one of the stumps that are right below the surface. I've seen people go sprauling off a jetski, and their jetski sink. And the lower unit on the engine destroyed.

When I talked to the rangers, they were telling me that maybe 5 to 8% of the people even look at the map of the lake at the boat launch, and a smaller percentage of us actually pay attention to it.

So I would say with this collision, it's dumb and dumber. But by regulation the boat that the filming was done from was at fault. Maritime regulations are even more strict than general motor vehicle traffic regulations are.

[Etienne]

The video doesn't give enough information to approportionate blame. If we assume the final situation is simillar to the original, then yes, the boat the camera is on is to blame... But then, the other boat didn't get out of the way either. (The rules clearly state that it is your responsabillity to avoid collision by any means necessary, no matter what.)

If it begun as a head-on situation with a small CPA to starboard, then there's a whole mess of arguments you can get into. It's a lot more complex than "Go to starboard" (If could be argued that since there was a CPA greater than 0, a vessel could consider itself not to be in a collision situation, and simply increasing the passing distance by going to port. If the other guy goes to starboard, considering himself to be in a head on situation, then boom.)

Size of vessel has no bearing on the rules, except where a vessel of less than 20m (IE, pleasure craft) is involved with a large vessel that can only navigate safely within the constrain of a channel, or a vessel is constrained by her draft (And that's kind of a shaky status anyway). In theory, on the open sea, a ULCC should stay out of the way of a 30 ft sailboat. Don't try it in a river.

In this case, both the vessels at cause are big enough that they should have been manned by professional mariners - the kind of people who HAVE read the regulation. Heck, a navigation degree involes something like over 120 hours of collision avoidance training. There was a time I could cite the rules word for word.

There's probably blame to be had on both sides. Rules 2, 5, 6 as usual. But from a thirty second video, you can't really go "OMG STUPID BOAT!"

Edited to add that I entirely agree with Captain Vlad's post below.

[Captain Vlad]

That looked ridiculously avoidable. I hope no one was badly hurt.