Surprise, surprise Muslims have prophets too

[geetrue]

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/6017

Ali ibn Abi-Talib, the seventh-century figure central to Shiite Islam, is said to have predicted when the world will end.


A "tall black man" commanding "the strongest army on earth" will take power "in the west." He will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, Hussein. Ali says of the tall black man: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."


This prophecy is aout 1,300 years ago, but read the whole article ... all Muslims are not in agreement

[Letum]

...so?

What has this got to do with the price of eggs?

[fatty]

...so?

What has this got to do with the price of eggs?

I think it means that if you or I convert to Shiite Islam anytime soon, we had better listen to what the Iranian government is telling us and watch out for Barack Obama.

[AVGWarhawk]

...so?

What has this got to do with the price of eggs?
I think it means that if you or I convert to Shiite Islam anytime soon, we had better listen to what the Iranian government is telling us and watch out for Barack Obama.

That is the general idea. :hmm:

[August]

:roll:

[SteamWake]

Still, one can predict. Should Obama return to his hard left roots, Muslim euphoria will largely continue. Should he seek to make his presidency a success by moving to the center-left, many – but hardly all – Muslims will experience severe disillusionment.


Return ?

[Letum]

Since when was any hard-line religion socially liberal/left wing?

[geetrue]

If a 1,300 year old prophecy about a "tall black man leading the strongest army on earth will take power in the west", is not enouh to conince you then perhaps this will :yep:

Look at what numbers came up for pick 3 in the Illinois lottery (http://www.illinoislottery.com/subsections/NumDisplay.asp?gamebutton=ALL&datebutton=WEEK&startMonth=0&startDate=0&startYear=0000&endMonth=11&endDate=5&endYear=2008&Submit2=Submit) the day after the election!


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/vrb75/666.jpg

P.S. just having fun

[Morts]

666 oh n0ez, we're all gonna die...obama is first going to take away your guns then blow us all up:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
now back to reality...simply a coincidence:)

[Stealth Hunter]

Yeah yeah. Bible code predicts the Four Horsemen will ride and the XVI Pope will be the last, this guy said when a black man takes control of the strongest army on Earth, Nostradamus said in the 21st century...

Still waiting for one of these things to be correct.

[bookworm_020]

So when is the next Dan Brown book coming out on this subject???:-?

[fatty]

If a 1,300 year old prophecy about a "tall black man leading the strongest army on earth will take power in the west", is not enouh to conince you then perhaps this will :yep:


geetrue, I wasn't kidding. Follow the links from the article. Look:

The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West." Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

I suspect you're just falling hook, line, and sinker to those rascally Iranians out to take advantage of the widening American political divide by hammering a wedge into it. The last thing they want is a U.S. president with a nation behind him. Painting him as the anti-Christ or herald of the End of Days is a good way to prevent that.

[Frame57]

Lets not forget that Obama is half white, so which half is black? if we remove the white half this would disqualify him as being tall, therefore the prophecy could not come to pass....:88)

[Digital_Trucker]

Not sure if what I read has been verified or not, but (and I'll have to find the link again:oops:), it has been hypothesized that, according to the US census criteria, Obama can't even claim to be black. Evidently, according to this source that I can't remember, he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.

I'll have to see if I can dig up some backup later this evening.

Seriously, according to the Mayan calendar, the world isn't supposed to end until Dec 21, 2012, anyway:rotfl:

[Konovalov]

Lets not forget that Obama is half white,
Indeed. Funnily enough I just read this analysis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7735503.stm)on the subject. It was of interest to me because my wife is of Asian decent while I'm a white guy.

[geetrue]

Not sure if what I read has been verified or not, but (and I'll have to find the link again:oops:), it has been hypothesized that, according to the US census criteria, Obama can't even claim to be black. Evidently, according to this source that I can't remember, he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.

I'll have to see if I can dig up some backup later this evening.

Seriously, according to the Mayan calendar, the world isn't supposed to end until Dec 21, 2012, anyway:rotfl:


These little babies don't care what color they are ... they just want to be fed on time lol

http://www.ireallyshouldstudy.com/images/babies21.jpg

tucker was right how about that :p


(http://www.topix.com/forum/source/the-morning-call/TP15J98U2RDANOHHU/p22)Obama's victory shifts black identity - 'to be seen simply as A ... (http://www.topix.com/forum/source/the-morning-call/TP15J98U2RDANOHHU/p22)
Obama is not even black to begin with. He is 50% white, 37.5% ARab, and 12.5% black - and that black is NOT african american, it is KENYAN to be exact.
(http://www.topix.com/forum/source/the-morning-call/TP15J98U2RDANOHHU/p22)

Guess we will have to wait for the next black presdent to lead the most powerful army in the west ... :lol:

[August]

he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.

Sounds 100% American to me.

[Zayphod]

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/6017

Ali ibn Abi-Talib, the seventh-century figure central to Shiite Islam, is said to have predicted when the world will end.


A "tall black man" commanding "the strongest army on earth" will take power "in the west." He will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, Hussein. Ali says of the tall black man: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."


This prophecy is aout 1,300 years ago, but read the whole article ... all Muslims are not in agreement

Same has been said about every "end times" scenerio, i.e., 9/11 was then "predicted by Nostrodomus(sp?)" hundreds of years ago, and said that it would start a war that would bring about the end times." These "urban legends" have been roaming around since before the interwebs.

By the way: what's a Muslim prophet? About $3.95 after taxes. :sunny:

[Zayphod]

Yeah yeah. Bible code predicts the Four Horsemen will ride and the XVI Pope will be the last, this guy said when a black man takes control of the strongest army on Earth, Nostradamus said in the 21st century...

Still waiting for one of these things to be correct.

Thousands of them (predictions). Here's the whole list, for anyone with a free evening to sift through all this stuff:

http://www.geocities.com/alma-geddon/index.html

Not sure if it included the Myan calandar thingy or not.

[Schroeder]

Obama is not even black to begin with. He is 50% white, 37.5% ARab, and 12.5% black - and that black is NOT african american, it is KENYAN to be exact.
(http://www.topix.com/forum/source/the-morning-call/TP15J98U2RDANOHHU/p22)
And what is the difference between African and Kenyan black? Last time I checked Kenya was part of Africa.:hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.

Sounds 100% American to me.
Yep. Especially since the accusation used to be "If you have one drop of black blood in you, then..."

[August]

he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.
Sounds 100% American to me. Yep. Especially since the accusation used to be "If you have one drop of black blood in you, then..."

I always thought that being a "mongrel race" was one of our greatest national strengths...

[Digital_Trucker]

I always thought that being a "mongrel race" was one of our greatest national strengths...

Yep, mutts are the most loyal of all:D

[Captain Vlad]

I always thought that being a "mongrel race" was one of our greatest national strengths...
Yep, mutts are the most loyal of all:D

Smartest and longest-lived, too.

[Sailor Steve]

he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.
Sounds 100% American to me. Yep. Especially since the accusation used to be "If you have one drop of black blood in you, then..."

I always thought that being a "mongrel race" was one of our greatest national strengths...
Oh, I agree. I just thought it was funny that when I was a boy someone couldn't go certain places if he wasn't 'pure white', and now people are trying to dismiss Obama as the first black president by saying "well, he's not all black, you know..."

[August]

he's actually only 12.5% black, 50% white and 37.5% Arab.
Sounds 100% American to me. Yep. Especially since the accusation used to be "If you have one drop of black blood in you, then..."
I always thought that being a "mongrel race" was one of our greatest national strengths... Oh, I agree. I just thought it was funny that when I was a boy someone couldn't go certain places if he wasn't 'pure white', and now people are trying to dismiss Obama as the first black president by saying "well, he's not all black, you know..."

Yeah I figured that. We have come a long way haven't we?

I just hope that we can begin to put all this racial tension behind us now and stop being "white-Americans" or "black-Americans" or (insert race or foreign nationality of choice)-Americans, and just be "Americans".

As Teddy Roosevelt said: "There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else." and Woodrow Wilson agreed saying: "Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready".

[Sailor Steve]

Those are some good quotes. I had never heard the Wilson one before.

[August]

Those are some good quotes. I had never heard the Wilson one before.

Yeah we've had some pretty exceptional men as Presidents and although I didn't vote for him I do have some big hopes for the next one.

[kurtz]

@August:up:

Just to show that it ain't just the Abrahamic religions with Kerrazy prophets;

Surt: "The Black One," chief of the Muspilli, or fire-giants, who will lead the battle against the gods and slay Frey at Ragnarok. His name appears attached to several sources of Icelandic volcanic activities, from the Viking Age to the modern era (the volcanic island flung up off the coast of Iceland in 1963 is called "Surtsey," Surt's Island). The fire that burns the cosmos at Ragnarok is called "Surt's fire". Old Norse Surtr.

Seem familiar? Perhaps there is something to this?:D


Quote is from http://paganandproudofit.com/norse.html

but there's plenty more on Surt ao Swart on the day of Ragnarok

[geetrue]

This is starting to sound like real prophecy ... with Rambo Obama taking out bin Laden this week.

Is this too far left or too far right or off the scale?


http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=15704546335&topic=27620


JoAnne Zarola (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1266188257)
Iran: "Iman Ali Prophesied a Tall Black man Will Rise to Power in the West Just Before the Return of the Mahdi"....

Barack Obama the "promised warrior" coming to help the Hidden Imam of Shiite Muslims conquer the world?

The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar(meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.

According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet's cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a "tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West."Commanding "the strongest army on earth," the new ruler in the West will carry "a clear sign" from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: "Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us."

In a curious coincidence Obama's first and second names--Barack Hussein--mean "the blessing of Hussein" in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means "he is with us," the magic formula in Majlisi's tradition.

[Torplexed]

This is starting to sound like real prophecy ... with Rambo Obama taking out bin Laden this week.

What long lost ancient scrap of parchment was this prophecy scribbled on? The back of Obama's birth certificate? It's hard to remember a week ago, but if I recall correctly, Rambo Obama was a Jimmy Carter in the making at the time.

Is this too far left or too far right or off the scale?It's just too far......out. :doh: I'd file it in the same cabinet with Nibiru, Nessie and Nostradamus.

[Sailor Steve]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Old-MummyHead.jpg

[The Demons Of Razgriz]

i believe even Crysis have prophet too,
"They used to call me, prophet":haha:

[Castout]

The prophecy meant tall man in black suit would take over the west and world's strongest army. :D


I'd like to add that a particularly short man will take over east and command the world's strongest debate team to take on the west.


:yeah:

the second will take place exactly 45 minutes and 34 seconds from . . . . . now.

Edit:

I forgot to add it will end exactly 9 minutes and 12 seconds after that.

[Torplexed]

The prophecy meant tall man in black suit would take over the west and world's strongest army. :D

I think we already did that prophecy.

http://api.ning.com/files/jatant2GFVfHpaueCBdlaQ7ZHYU9B-R5LgGbh9qCgOFUWplJPEEBVFWnNIhFPsM50ZqUK8KBxKNcYaH0 JC3xuBghCvycZ3XV/LongAbeLincoln12w.jpg

[Castout]

I think we already did that prophecy.

http://api.ning.com/files/jatant2GFVfHpaueCBdlaQ7ZHYU9B-R5LgGbh9qCgOFUWplJPEEBVFWnNIhFPsM50ZqUK8KBxKNcYaH0 JC3xuBghCvycZ3XV/LongAbeLincoln12w.jpg

That's superman, he's not a man. So he doesn't count.


Btw i don't mean disrespect or insulting to any prophet just that I think most if not all prophecy are not meant for public knowledge. Come what may come, it's not our business to know what will come.

[Armistead]

Always hating on the black man....

[Rockstar]

I don't recall ever reading anything about a tall black man ruling over the greatest army on earth in the Hadith or Noble Quran.

Depending who interprets the Mahdi is thought to come from the blood line of Ishmael or Muhammed from the land of Assyria. Not some guy from a tribe in Kenya.

[geetrue]

When I first read this prophecy I thought it said that "a tall black man leading the biggest
army in the west would defeat the Muslim nation", but instead it says that he will be with them.

Some Muslims (on those nasty other forums) think this means he will with them in heaven????

The prophecy is very true on "when and where it came from", plus it is even more
true as we enter what could be President Obama's last year in office.

What are the odds of just the first few words much less the ending of the prophecy being true?

"a tall black man leading the biggest army in the west"

A 1,300 year old prophecy no less

PS
Come back all you posters from three years ago ... we have another election to bash around :yep:

[CCIP]

Come back all you posters from three years ago ... we have another election to bash around :yep:

:down::down::down::down::down::down::down::down:

[Kongo Otto]

And what is the difference between African and Kenyan black? Last time I checked Kenya was part of Africa.:hmm:


Obamas father is a Kenyan who was born in the former British Colony Kenya.
So this means that Obama might be British?
You Guys over there may have a serious problem. :haha: