So where are we at in the presidential race?

[SUBMAN1]

The big issue of course is the battleground states. I guess if I had to make an opinion, we are at a virtual tie for the presidency at this point in time. I make that opinion based on fact. Here is where we were for Oct 24th between Bush and Kerry in 2004 for the Battleground states:

Battleground States: Bush Kerry
Republican States 56 34
Democratic States 36 53
Battleground States 43 49

Sounds familiar to today.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

In Colorado, they have 16 Pres candidates on the ballot! Check it:

http://piedtype.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/colorado-ballot-boasts-16-presidential-candidates/

-S

[Overboard]

This has been said before,..... No one will know till its over ;)

[Zachstar]

Subman this belongs in the main prez topic above.

As for where things are at. Obama is ahead. Turns out the attack story was a lie and McCain's attacks are backfiring.

As long as almost everyone votes then Obama wins. Till then it aint over till its over so can we merge this?

[SUBMAN1]

Subman this belongs in the main prez topic above.

As for where things are at. Obama is ahead. Turns out the attack story was a lie and McCain's attacks are backfiring.

As long as almost everyone votes then Obama wins. Till then it aint over till its over so can we merge this?Yawn.

[SUBMAN1]

This has been said before,..... No one will know till its over ;)True words man.

-S

[Zachstar]

BTW as for your "Facts"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 306
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 255 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 51 Leaning

McCain/Palin 157
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 137 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 20 Leaning

[SUBMAN1]

BTW as for your "Facts"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 306
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 255 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 51 Leaning

McCain/Palin 157
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 137 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 20 LeaningLooks like Kerry vs Bush 4 years ago. Yawn again.

Since both are so far left, we get the same no matter which is elected.

-S

[Zachstar]

BTW as for your "Facts"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 306
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 255 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 51 Leaning

McCain/Palin 157
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 137 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 20 LeaningLooks like Kerry vs Bush 4 years ago. Yawn again.

Since both are so far left, we get the same no matter which is elected.

-S
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=11

Edit: Bush was leading all the way to election day. Kerry made gains but not enough to gain badly needed big states.

[SUBMAN1]

BTW as for your "Facts"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 306
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 255 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 51 Leaning

McCain/Palin 157
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 137 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 20 LeaningLooks like Kerry vs Bush 4 years ago. Yawn again.

Since both are so far left, we get the same no matter which is elected.

-S
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=11

Edit: Bush was leading all the way to election day. Kerry made gains but not enough to gain badly needed big states.Doesn't even give a date. Yawn.

-S

[Zachstar]

BTW as for your "Facts"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

Obama/Biden 306
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 255 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 51 Leaning

McCain/Palin 157
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 137 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 20 LeaningLooks like Kerry vs Bush 4 years ago. Yawn again.

Since both are so far left, we get the same no matter which is elected.

-S
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=11

Edit: Bush was leading all the way to election day. Kerry made gains but not enough to gain badly needed big states.Doesn't even give a date. Yawn.

-S

If you woke up for 2 seconds and actually looked at the page instead of being dismissive of anything that isnt your view that this is a horserace. You will notice the history bar that goes all the way back to 1968.

But then again if that does not convince you try. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_Presidential_Election

[Overboard]

Hey Subman" Do you post Just For The Sake Of Posting... Or To Raise Your Post Count?, InStead Of Just Posting Stupid Crap All The Time Why Dont You Read The
Real News?.. And Then Post Something That We Can All Sink Our Theeth In To.

Just A Thought :up:

[Zachstar]

Hey Subman" Do you post Just For The Sake Of Posting... Or To Raise Your Post Count?, InStead Of Just Posting Stupid Crap All The Time Why Dont You Read The
Real News?.. And Then Post Something That We Can All Sink Our Theeth In To.

Just A Thought :up:

LOTS of easier and less "on the edge" ways of raising post count.

I think he actually meant for this topic to convince others there is a horse race.

[August]

I think he actually meant for this topic to convince others there is a horse race.

I almost hope that Barry wins just for the chance to see you spend the next 4 years defending him... :yep:

[Overboard]

Hey Subman" Do you post Just For The Sake Of Posting... Or To Raise Your Post Count?, InStead Of Just Posting Stupid Crap All The Time Why Dont You Read The
Real News?.. And Then Post Something That We Can All Sink Our Theeth In To.

Just A Thought :up:

LOTS of easier and less "on the edge" ways of raising post count.

I think he actually meant for this topic to convince others there is a horse race.

Well Me For One Don't Post Much.....Don't Have To, But I Do Read The Stuff Other Poeple Post......(Good Or Bad) And I Can Say Some Is Just Pure BS.

Has Nothing To Do With Real World ****..Just Talk". :lol:

[Zachstar]

I think he actually meant for this topic to convince others there is a horse race.
I almost hope that Barry wins just for the chance to see you spend the next 4 years defending him... :yep:

I dont spend my days posting political stuff on a nonpolitical forum.

You will see me on Dkos asking "WTF is Obama doing?"

I am giving Obama a chance here. He is going to have it VERY easy compared to other dems who have spent their years fighting with a repub held congress.

He starts bowing to repubs left and right and screwing us over? Ya ill be voting for the dem primary challenger in 4 years.

[Overboard]

Such A Waste Of Valuable Web Site Resources. :roll:

[August]

I dont spend my days posting political stuff on a nonpolitical forum.

You've been fairly prolific so far here why change?

But you realy think the Dems will retain a majority in congress with approval ratings down to 12%?

[SUBMAN1]

Where's my popcorn?

-S

[donut]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

[Skybird]

In case of doubt even a German Dachshound would be better as president than a McCain-Palin-tandem! ;) Dachshounds have character.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9089/dackelaufarbeitql5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(Dachshound bringing the answer to the question how to give McCain the right welcome http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Frech/smileymania.at_10391.gif (http://www.smileygarden.de) )

[CCIP]

Dachshund for pres! :up:

[Lurchi]

I hope Palin makes it! In case she loses she should get her own Talk Show - this lady is simply too entertaining to be forgotten:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/6/67/Palinflow1.gif

Don't miss the whole article => http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sarah_Palin (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sarah_Palin);).

[AVGWarhawk]

Dachshund for pres! :up:

I'm partial to the short hair dachshunds. They are a darn cool dog. Yeah, dachshund for president. Why not, he could do no worse:D

[CCIP]

Dachshund for pres! :up:
I'm partial to the short hair dachshunds. They are a darn cool dog. Yeah, dachshund for president. Why not, he could do no worse:D
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/stuff/yes.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Dog bones for everyone!

[Skybird]

Dachshund for pres! :up:
I'm partial to the short hair dachshunds. They are a darn cool dog. Yeah, dachshund for president. Why not, he could do no worse:D
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Otohiko/stuff/yes.jpg

"I must protest against this discrimination of the dignity of dachshounds!"
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9193/snoopydachshund05jpgw45kf2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AVGWarhawk]

He is cute Skybird. Looks like a bit of a devious personality looking at his picture. Is that your buddy?

[AVGWarhawk]

Since this thread has gone to the dogs..............:rotfl: Here are my furry four legged scrap snatchers.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/Picture003.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/Picture002.jpg

This one thinks he is a Doberman Pincher:roll:

[Skybird]

He is cute Skybird. Looks like a bit of a devious personality looking at his picture. Is that your buddy?

No-no neeeeevah...!
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1340/snoopydachshund10jpgw45ok2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Biggles]

Subman this belongs in the main prez topic above.

As for where things are at. Obama is ahead. Turns out the attack story was a lie and McCain's attacks are backfiring.

As long as almost everyone votes then Obama wins. Till then it aint over till its over so can we merge this?Yawn.


Extremely dissrespectful to ignore what people says when they say something that you don't want to hear....

[Skybird]

Ours was this (one of the several)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6775/hennyportraitxr0.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9870/hennyimgrasjl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[August]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Quote to get past skybirds attempt at derailing the thread.

[fatty]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Let me ask you this.

Barack Obama has put a lot of time - almost two years, including the primary process and pre-primary campaigning - into his bid for the presidency. This has undoubtedly put some stress on his marriage and his children, being under public scrutiny and having to appear at rallies and what not. Between the millions of dollars raised and Hillary's defeat, it's also pressed the Democratic party to its limits.

Why would Barack Obama string along all of these people, his supporters across the country, and those of us in the rest of the world that have been subjected to media coverage and his hype, only to have it all come inevitably crashing down in the end on a well-known technicality? Has there been any sort of precedent for this in election history? What can he emerge the better from putting the world through this trial, which, if the rumours prove true, will culminate in embarrassment, shame, and disappointment in only a few weeks?

[AVGWarhawk]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Quote to get past skybirds attempt at derailing the thread.

Yeah, but we like dogs. The world is going to the dogs so why not:D


There does seem to be some mustard to this birth certificate deal. Why it does not take wings, I'm not sure.

[AVGWarhawk]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Let me ask you this.

Barack Obama has put a lot of time - almost two years, including the primary process and pre-primary campaigning - into his bid for the presidency. This has undoubtedly put some stress on his marriage and his children, being under public scrutiny and having to appear at rallies and what not. Between the millions of dollars raised and Hillary's defeat, it's also pressed the Democratic party to its limits.




Why would Barack Obama string along all of these people, his supporters across the country, and those of us in the rest of the world that have been subjected to media coverage and his hype, only to have it all come inevitably crashing down in the end on a well-known technicality? Has there been any sort of precedent for this in election history? What can he emerge the better from putting the world through this trial, which, if the rumours prove true, will culminate in embarrassment, shame, and disappointment in only a few weeks?


Simple, there is already to much time and money invested. What, there has never been a cover up before in the government? The rules are rules set forth by the founding fathers. I have seen these certificates. I have seen mine that is in it's original form from 43 years ago. They really do not look alike at all. Some information seems askew on Obamas.

One cert denotes African as the father. Would that have been used at that time?

[fatty]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Let me ask you this.

Barack Obama has put a lot of time - almost two years, including the primary process and pre-primary campaigning - into his bid for the presidency. This has undoubtedly put some stress on his marriage and his children, being under public scrutiny and having to appear at rallies and what not. Between the millions of dollars raised and Hillary's defeat, it's also pressed the Democratic party to its limits.




Why would Barack Obama string along all of these people, his supporters across the country, and those of us in the rest of the world that have been subjected to media coverage and his hype, only to have it all come inevitably crashing down in the end on a well-known technicality? Has there been any sort of precedent for this in election history? What can he emerge the better from putting the world through this trial, which, if the rumours prove true, will culminate in embarrassment, shame, and disappointment in only a few weeks?


Simple, there is already to much time and money invested. What, there has never been a cover up before in the government?

Okay, fair enough about cover-ups, but do you mean suggest that either Obama never knew about the restrictions on citizenship when he started this campaign (even this lowly Canadian knew!)? Or that he did know and has just been playing one very large, very very expensive practical joke on the whole world? He'd be sued out of existence and could never work again.

[AVGWarhawk]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Let me ask you this.

Barack Obama has put a lot of time - almost two years, including the primary process and pre-primary campaigning - into his bid for the presidency. This has undoubtedly put some stress on his marriage and his children, being under public scrutiny and having to appear at rallies and what not. Between the millions of dollars raised and Hillary's defeat, it's also pressed the Democratic party to its limits.




Why would Barack Obama string along all of these people, his supporters across the country, and those of us in the rest of the world that have been subjected to media coverage and his hype, only to have it all come inevitably crashing down in the end on a well-known technicality? Has there been any sort of precedent for this in election history? What can he emerge the better from putting the world through this trial, which, if the rumours prove true, will culminate in embarrassment, shame, and disappointment in only a few weeks?


Simple, there is already to much time and money invested. What, there has never been a cover up before in the government?

Okay, fair enough about cover-ups, but do you mean suggest that either Obama never knew about the restrictions on citizenship when he started this campaign (even this lowly Canadian knew!)? Or that he did know and has just been playing one very large, very very expensive practical joke on the whole world? He'd be sued out of existence and could never work again.

My thoughts are that they new this could be shaky at best if it was driven home. It looks to me like it was passed over quickly and a certificate produced in 2007. I guess apparently they were looking into this since he has a recently printed cert. As most politicians do as well as Washington as a whole, it was breezed through and blind eye taken.

[AVGWarhawk]

We have to take a serious look at the suit taken on this issue. I would venture to guess Berg has something concrete. Why would he spend his time and money doing this if there was beyond a resonable doubt the cert produced is valid?

[mookiemookie]

This whole birth certificate thing has been debunked for months.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

And furthermore the case has been dismissed:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have _Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

[joegrundman]

In that case, it's not a story right?

But it occurs to me that isn't this law somehow contrary to how the US sees itself?

Isn't one of the main ideals of the American dream that anyone can become an American and there is no limit to what is achievable?

Besides I vaguely recall a couple of years ago republicans were wondering about the possibility of repealing the law to enable a Schwarzenegger candidacy.

Now I appreciate that a candidates eligibility has to be legitimate with the laws you have at the time, but don't you think naturalised Americans should be allowed to stand for the presidency?

[August]

Now I appreciate that a candidates eligibility has to be legitimate with the laws you have at the time, but don't you think naturalised Americans should be allowed to stand for the presidency?

Absolutely not Joe. There can be no question where the loyalties of the President of the US lay which is why it's not just a mere law but part of the constitution.

[Zachstar]

Smells like desperation when a debunked and dismissed aspect is brought out for the 10 thousandth time.

Not to mention McCain has a similar "Problem" if that makes you think any of them are disqualified.

So scared of an Obama win that you are rummaging through conspiricy theories? LoL :lol:

[Digital_Trucker]

I dont spend my days posting political stuff on a nonpolitical forum.
You've been fairly prolific so far here why change?

But you realy think the Dems will retain a majority in congress with approval ratings down to 12%?
I don't know what Zachstar thinks, but I do think the Dems will retain that majority in Congress and will gain seats in the Senate because the average voter doesn't even know who the majority party in Congress is. Besides that, huge numbers of voters believe that George Bush is evil and since he's a Republican, they should vote for a Democrat because all Republicans must also be evil.

I know, it's not logical, is it? Too bad we're not Vulcans, then we'd just vote for the person most likely to do a good job no matter what party they are.:D

[Digital_Trucker]

This whole birth certificate thing has been debunked for months.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

And furthermore the case has been dismissed:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have _Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
Yep, the judge ruled that Berg had no standing and could not show harm. Haven't seen the decision yet, but it sounds like the judge didn't rule whether Barry is a citizen or not, just that Berg didn't have standing and couldn't show any harm.

None of this even touches on whether he lost his citizenship when he was adopted and accepted Indonesian citizenship.

Of course, none of this matters, because no judge will rule on any of it after he is elected for fear of causing race riots like we've never seen before.

[Skybird]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Quote to get past skybirds attempt at derailing the thread.

Yeah, but we like dogs. The world is going to the dogs so why not:D


There does seem to be some mustard to this birth certificate deal. Why it does not take wings, I'm not sure.
Hijacking this thread is the most intelligent thing you can do with it, and derailing it is the best of all possible outcomes! :D

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8831/dachshundsry1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SUBMAN1]

Skybird is only wishing what he will never get. And quite frankly, she doesn't have much shape - flat ass is a good word for it. I prefer the Marlyn Monroe look.

-S

[Morts]

Skybird is only wishing what he will never get. And quite frankly, she doesn't have much shape - flat ass is a good word for it. I prefer the Marlyn Monroe look.

-S
wow, thats a lame comment..even for you

[SUBMAN1]

wow, thats a lame comment..even for youSo you are defending this?Hijacking this thread is the most intelligent thing you can do with it, and derailing it is the best of all possible outcomes! Of course you are.

-S

[Zachstar]

Skybird is only wishing what he will never get. And quite frankly, she doesn't have much shape - flat ass is a good word for it. I prefer the Marlyn Monroe look.

-S

Cruising for a banning Subman

[SUBMAN1]

Skybird is only wishing what he will never get. And quite frankly, she doesn't have much shape - flat ass is a good word for it. I prefer the Marlyn Monroe look.

-S
Cruising for a banning SubmanAs I always said, I think you are way ahead of me on that. But I won't hold it against you.

-S

[donut]

http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm http://usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

[SUBMAN1]

http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm http://usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

I agree. Second link doesn't work though.

-S

[donut]

Need Adobe Flash Player>>http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/ same ole.

[Frame57]

A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama's lawyers to produce a "vault" copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Read the Full Story — Go Here Now (http://news.newsmax.com/?S6IR.TwVtmRSAft7vZk9YjA1nXrftfR1S&http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1)

Quote to get past skybirds attempt at derailing the thread.

Yeah, but we like dogs. The world is going to the dogs so why not:D


There does seem to be some mustard to this birth certificate deal. Why it does not take wings, I'm not sure.
Hijacking this thread is the most intelligent thing you can do with it, and derailing it is the best of all possible outcomes! :D

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8831/dachshundsry1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)This is why women call us men folk-DOGS...:rotfl: