T-34 versus Tiger Discussion

[Onkel Neal]

Received the preview and review copies Monday.... review underway.


http://tanksim.com/reviews/t34vst4.jpg

[Task Force]

Apparently, ist not that great from what the fourms there say.:roll:

[Konovalov]

Don't tell me that. :-?

[Skybird]

There are TWO hot irons in the fire, guys. ;)

[Hitman]

What forums, TF?

Anyway Steel Fury looks promising, so I hope either one of them will deliver what we expect :hmm:

[Skybird]

It seems release is delayed by one week. They shifted it from today, 17th Oct., to the 24th, says unconfirmed info.

I have still not read any info about the copy protection it uses. :arrgh!:
I hope their hesitation to announce it does not mean somethign bad.

[Skybird]

To ease the pain (I have linked Steel Fury videos in the other thread as well):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kljql7Pn2UI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYwNo0UfvE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpXDtCoCpE&feature=related

And a sound-demo? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrBb0axjCVA

Plenty more at youtube.

[Task Force]

What forums, TF?

Anyway Steel Fury looks promising, so I hope either one of them will deliver what we expect :hmm:
The offical fourms for this game if I remember it correctly.;)
I remember they were saying that Russians who already have it were saying that the campagine gets boreing (probably because there is only one type of than to command), and some other stuff. But maby the English version will be better, this was form the russian versoin.

It still might be fun.:up:

[Onkel Neal]

Man, gotta love a proactive moderator :up:

I've got T-34 vs Tiger loaded on my 6 year old PC and my new laptop. So far, so good. I've completed two missions in the USSR campaign and I'm getting familiar with the interface.

[Task Force]

So....... whens it gona be released to the public?:hmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Oct 24, they tell me.

[MDykas]

Ok Neal, your killing me on this. Can you give us some more info on this before I plop some dough down on it whenever it comes out... How is the gameplay, How are the graphics, is it keeping your interest, would you buy it. How is the AI? is it buggy? Is it fun ? Any new info here is welcomed.

Thanks bud, job well done!

[Skybird]

Ok Neal, your killing me on this. Can you give us some more info on this before I plop some dough down on it whenever it comes out... How is the gameplay, How are the graphics, is it keeping your interest, would you buy it. How is the AI? is it buggy? Is it fun ?

And: is it using Starforce, Securom, or something different?

For many potentially interested fans, this is the decisive question.

[Task Force]

It is gona stink if T 34 V tiger has Starforce on any crapy program like that.:nope:

[Onkel Neal]

Ok Neal, your killing me on this. Can you give us some more info on this before I plop some dough down on it whenever it comes out... How is the gameplay, How are the graphics, is it keeping your interest, would you buy it. How is the AI? is it buggy? Is it fun ? Any new info here is welcomed.

Thanks bud, job well done!

Hi MDykas,

I'm not trying to tease you, :p but I want to save the findings for the review. I hope to have that done by Friday. I am enjoying the game so far, it really is holding my interest, I will say that. I am five missions into the Soviet campaign and I switched to the German side this afternoon to try it out. The devs did put effort into making the Tiger and T-34 feel like different tanks.

Sky, I have a review copy of the game so it may not have any kind of copy protection. I do not know if the retail version will have starforce or whatever, but I will ask. As you know, I do not review games based on their copy protection as long as the game runs without issues. :) I don't intend to take myself out of the discussion simply because the game publisher is trying to ward off pirates. Nor am I interested in turning a game review into a CP editorial. But we'll see. So far, so good. :yep:


http://www.tanksim.com/images/t34vst5.jpg

[MDykas]

Thanks Neal..............sounds good to me

[Task Force]

So how did you two get it early.:hmm:

[Onkel Neal]

So how did you two get it early.:hmm:

Game publishers commonly send copies to game reviewers (http://www.tanksim.com/about_us.htm) before the game is released, especially if the publisher is confident they have a quality game. :ping:

[Task Force]

I want to be a game reviwer.:o Hey people who make T-34 V Tiger. Im a game reviwer!!!!!!!:D

[Herr_Pete]

Pre-Ordered my copy yesterday :D Shall arrive on the 24th, the release date.:up: Rather excited about it. Really enjoyed the demo! :D

[Task Force]

DEMO!!!:huh: Where can I get this demo.:)

[stabiz]

From what I have read you really dont want to try it, its an unofficial early build or something. Heaps of bugs. Maybe a proper demo will show up post release.

[Task Force]

Oah.:shifty: More waiting.

[Skybird]

A huge German game store lists the German version of the game for release on 27th Octobre.

[Onkel Neal]

excerpt from the review: Who let Dowly and HunterICX in this game? :rotfl:
http://www.tanksim.com/images/t34vst21.jpg

[HunterICX]

Yeh, we just fly over to our Tigers to have a word with your T-34, Neal ;)

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Ah, that was THAT sortie..

"ooo, I'm a hotshot LW ace Mr. Hunter and I'm sure this' the way to Ural!"

Fracking had to flow all the way to Paris for him to realise his mistake and it wasnt even the darn Eiffel tower that made him get it, but the scent from all them brothels down by the Atlantic. :rotfl:

[RICH12ACE]

hi i can not wait for this sim! but i have just found out that you can not go into the radio ops postion in the tiger:-? i want to fire that mg 34!:rotfl: :yep: .

[Task Force]

excerpt from the review: Who let Dowly and HunterICX in this game? :rotfl:
http://www.tanksim.com/images/t34vst21.jpg
Ya know that could have been me and my wing man when we were going to support some romanian fighter over russia, My plane has that same color skin.:hmm: Looks like a good game.:D

[MDykas]

Excellent Job on the review :up: I'm sold on it now and I'm waiting to see when I can do a digital download :damn:. Next will be COD5, then the wait continues for Rise of flight, SOW...seems like forever. I'll be seeing ya'll on multiplayer, count me in......always been a tanker at heart, although I was a Heli guy in the Marines.

[Skybird]

http://www.tanksim.com/reviews/t34vstiger.htm

[Skybird]

Game seems to be released, at their fiorum customers say they found it in their mail.

Attention US customers, this is from their board:

FYI A download version of T34 will become available via GamersGate.com in the next days. Other online distributors will follow shortly.

Customers say they cannot open an account with the US not being listed as an available country so far.

German Amazon still list it for 21st Nov. :o

Also, a customer answers to questions for the copy protection, saying this:

As far as i can tell its purely a cdkey - game works without DVD in the drive and there was no online activation afaik.

[BadKarma1001]

I just got a mail that play.com has shipped my copy of T34 vs. Tiger.
I totally forgot that i ordered there months ago!:oops:


#edit
Just came home from work and guess what was waiting for me in the mail.
My copy of T34 vs Tiger i ordered in the publishers shop on Tuesday.
Pretty fast shipping.

[Task Force]

I just got a mail that play.com has shipped my copy of T34 vs. Tiger.
I totally forgot that i ordered there months ago!:oops:


#edit
Just came home from work and guess what was waiting for me in the mail.
My copy of T34 vs Tiger i ordered in the publishers shop on Tuesday.
Pretty fast shipping.
Lucky, just in time for the weekend.:shifty:

[Albert77]

Got my copy yesterday here in Finland. Nice game but still a bit buggy. I have played singleplayer mode for practice now but I'm ready for MP action. Problem is that I can't find MP servers anywhere. Gamespy doesn't regognize the game yet and T34vsT own MP doesn't find any servers.

[BadKarma1001]

Got my copy yesterday here in Finland. Nice game but still a bit buggy. I have played singleplayer mode for practice now but I'm ready for MP action. Problem is that I can't find MP servers anywhere. Gamespy doesn't regognize the game yet and T34vsT own MP doesn't find any servers.
You have to add TvsT manually in Gamespy Arcade.
Check the Gamespy Arcade - help how this works but it workred for me but still no online games.
I feel a little scammed because the main reason for me to buy this game was the multiplayer gaming.

Okay everyone who´s considering buying this game should take a huge step back!!
I should have thrown my 39,- Euros out of the window i guess that would have been more fun than playing this game, hell even a root canal treatment is more fun!

[RICH12ACE]

hi all is there a manual/book with this sim or is it on the dvd/cd??:hmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Okay everyone who´s considering buying this game should take a huge step back!!
I should have thrown my 39,- Euros out of the window i guess that would have been more fun than playing this game, hell even a root canal treatment is more fun!

Wait, are you unhappy because the game is not fun? Or because the MP does not work?

[Dowly]

Well I just spent the 39€ last night... you better be wrong about how bad it is! :-?

[HunterICX]

Besides that, Gamespy Arcade is horrible for Multiplayer games IMO,
especially when you talk about that Hog of a application you have to launch.

I rather have a In-build feature to join and create servers (in Example Silent Hunter III) which require a Log in and you just end up in a chat room and from there you join games.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Besides that, Gamespy Arcade is horrible for Multiplayer games IMO,
especially when you talk about that Hog of a application you have to launch.

I rather have a In-build feature to join and create servers (in Example Silent Hunter III) which require a Log in and you just end up in a chat room and from there you join games.

HunterICX

From what I've read, there's either gamespy or directip methods available for T34 Vs. Tiger. :up:

[BadKarma1001]

Okay everyone who´s considering buying this game should take a huge step back!!
I should have thrown my 39,- Euros out of the window i guess that would have been more fun than playing this game, hell even a root canal treatment is more fun!
Wait, are you unhappy because the game is not fun? Or because the MP does not work?
As you might know over at http://www.t34vtiger.com/ where some guys who made serious efforts to get the MP to run but for the few ppl that could get connected it was a bugfest anyway.
As for the single player.
I have to play every mission 3 or 4 times but not because i "die" it´s because the game has a tendency for CTDs and freezes. It looks like they just translated the Russian version and did no bugfixing at all.
Just for the thrill of it i fired up the demo of SF and for me this demo feels 100 times more polished than this "full" version of TvT and i don´t write this stuff because i am a naysayer, i really wanted this game to be a success! Imho this game should be freeware because it´s not worth a dime right now! I seriously doubt it will get any better considering how long this "game" is on the Russian retail market and still in a condition every developer and publisher should hide in shame for charging money for it.

[samofire]

I don't know if anyone has noticed...this game was on sale at Gamer'sGate this A.M. and by this afternoon it was gone. I've been following this title closely and hoping for a great new tank sim, but WOW! The board for it over at Lighthouse Interactive is a hate-fest. Gonna have to see a patch or three for this one before I buy.

Samofire

[Foxtrot]

I am using vista x64 and here what I faced:

1. CTD whenever I tried to start a mission.
2. "Unable to initialize sound driver" warning when I start this game.

Fix for #1: Find msvcp71.dll is and msvcr71.dll on net, and copy these files in game folder. Game now works
Unable to find any fix for #2 so there are no sounds in game.

:damn::down:

And now there's no one from lighthouse replying in any threads about bugs in game. Seems to me that they went in hiding after scaming people for money. Clowns :shifty:

[Dowly]

Just got home and to my surprise, there was a neat brown package waiting for me, I opened it and:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/Kuva007.jpg

WOHOO!! IT'S HERE! :rock:

[Fincuan]

I see you got a new bottle of JD, congrats! :up:

Now wtf is that dvd-case ruining the view in the foreground?

[Dowly]

Oh.. that's Jägermeister you daft! You call yourself a fin?! Didnt they teach you in the kindergarden how to identify different kinds of boozes? :lol:

In the other news, just tried it hastily (got Dead Space too today, so need to play that abit aswell) and it was ok. Tho, it's missing something, the world feels very plain, atleast for the 2 first german missions. The installer took AGES and ate up most of the CPU power so I was forced to read the manual.. d'uh... I bet this is a great one on MP, when they get all the bugs and crashes fixed but the 2 SP missions didnt convince me at all.

Good thing is, the sounds are as .wavs, so easy to make some cool sound mods for it. :)

[Fincuan]

:damn:

My brains are wired this way already: Dowly & a familiar looking bottle -> JD!
It never entered my mind why the bottle was VERY familiar looking :lol: I'm off to "refresh" my memory. I'll start with a little Skåne Akvavit, and we'll see where it goes from there...

I'll have to consider that game too, although first someone must invent a way to add more hours to the day :lol:

[Dowly]

I knew already it wasnt very wise to go to the woods with a tank, but this is very true in TvT.

Situation: I'm peacefully sitting on top of my Tiger, neverminding all them branches hitting my face like a baseball, because I know I can outflank the enemy by going through this forest. We're going at full speed as I'm an impatient twut. Suddenly, I see a tree straight infront of my tank.

I yell to my driver to 'TURN RIGHT'. What happens next?
a) The driver turns right and we avoid the tree, outflank the enemy and blow them away. Back in Berlin, I meet uncle-Adolf and get something for my "sore throat".
b) THE ******* TWIT TURNS RIGHT, OH YES, HE TURNS! BUT LIKE A FRICKING 1MILLIMETER!!!! :damn:

Ok, we've now struck a tree. What happens to the tank and the tree?
a) Our steel beast crushes the tree to oblivion, barely losing any speed. Again we outflank the commies etc. etc.
b) My teeny-weeny tank stops to a halt and jumps abit, while the tree falls in a nice straight fashion to it's place, not moving an inch. I order my driver to get real and drive forward, I mean, it's just a fallen tree, surely our beast can 'get over' it. But no, it's like traveling on a railroad, I try and turn to avoid another tree but nope, the trees in russia are made of titanium. :damn:

Great game by the way! :p

[tHeBaLrOgRoCkS]

Clearly you have not come across Russian Delta wood before what did you think they made those Yak's in IL-2 out of ?

Waited a long time for this game and it looks like most of my time is now going to be spent messing with the mission editor:damn:

Objectives are

Get rid of infantry

Add more tanks (will it be possible to drive ai tanks from third person ?)

Remove Delta wood forest's

Find some way to rig it so we are not limited to editing existing missions (although I think they pointed this out in the early interview it seems crazy not to allow the creation of new maps / missions )

Pray that we get a patch or this will go the way of the dodo

[Skybird]

In the article feedback thread to simHQ's review of the game, a guy named DeVoo made these comments that in my impression tell the bitter truth about the game, and the developer


Thought I'll have my 5 cents in. Good review. Objective.
I played the game and should say the developers behind it known in Russia by there "great concept & poor realisation". They are the ones behind "Whirlwind of Vietnam" - yet another unfinished product, "Fair strike" - one more game which claimed to be a sim and didn't turn out good either. Support was almost nonexistant. I doubt they will polish this one too. It came out in Russia several months earlier russian gamers complained about it's AI and strange multiplayer. Nothing was changed or ajusted... And then the game came to western market almost without any change.
Too bad.
But "Steel Fury" is indeed so much better in terms of simulaton, freedom and support.
So... Good review and poor game.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2610778/Review_WW2_Battle_Tanks_T_34_v.html#Post2610778



I remember that the mentioned Vietnam game was bashed back then. The AI of TvT is repeatedly targetted in the lighthouse forum.

[Monkwarrior]

Truth from the past is not the truth of today.
For me T34vsTiger has 1 huge advantage over Steel Fury: it has MP.
We are allready having fun with the MP, even in it's current basic state.

The game is highly moddable as it seems and I'm looking at the code right now to do some adjustments for the MP part of this game.

Apart from that I know that a patch is being made as we speak.
w'll see what it brings and until that time I invite most of you to have some MP fun with us.

More info here:
http://www.t34vtiger.com/forums/index.php

Happy tanking, Monk.

[Skybird]

We are allready having fun with the MP, even in it's current basic state.

That general statement should be corrected to "some have fun with MP", since quite some other players report problems with it, or do not get it launched at all. ;)

[tHeBaLrOgRoCkS]

Well I will agree that the developers may not have a dazzeling resume but i think this time we have at least as users been left with the tools and access to at least try and make this game what it should be.

Fact is that there is nothing, short of Red Orchestra or the now ageing Panzer Elite, out there that really gives us the online ww2 tanking experience most of us crave.

Now while I agree that it was released in a far from complete condition, and for that the developers perhaps deserve some of the comments and complaints they have received. What We do seem to have is the kit and tools necessary to at least try and deliver a ww2 tank sim that is more in keeping with the computers and technology that are available today

What I am trying to say is although currently it is by no means the product we hoped for I think given time it can be, and even if your not willing to subscribe just yet I would not write it off totaly.

Watch this space

[Skybird]

New review, somewhat hesitent to call the game a clear winner:

http://www.hookedgamers.com/articles/review/738/wwii_battle_tanks_t-34_vs_tiger

[HunterICX]

Now while I agree that it was released in a far from complete condition, and for that the developers perhaps deserve some of the comments and complaints they have received. What We do seem to have is the kit and tools necessary to at least try and deliver a ww2 tank sim that is more in keeping with the computers and technology that are available today


Really?

Let's say you purchased a Motorbike or Car
the engine runs bad, leaks oil and stalls a lot.
but HEY! the shop gave you the tools to fix that all yourself :88)
perhaps a different price class, but same principle.

The tolerance in some of those reviews is really disturbing especially if you consider the fact its out in Russia for some time now and not a single effort has been made to fix the bugs and issues the game is plagued with before they released it to Europe
and from the looks of it they just turned their backs on the game letting the public deal with the issues.

HunterICX

[andym]

For what its worth heres my take in the game.Visually,its great,nice tanks and scenery along with damage effects(apart from the holes in the side of the tracks,looks like a spray painted bit of perspex hung over the wheels)Good sounds and ambient atmosphere.Mission wise, some good ideas but once played and completed it leaves little to tempt you back.Its not too difficult to play or complete,apart from not being able to go any further than the 6th german mission!(keep getting CTD)Ok ot has a few bugs but then what game doesnt?I do think however that the Missions AI could be varied so that youre not playing the same mission with the enemy in the same spot as last time you olayed the mission.To sum up,its not bad but then again its not going to set the Tank sim world alight quite yet!I am waiting for Steel Fury,as that seems to be what T34 v Tiger should have been.Im not bothered about MP function.

[HEMISENT]

I received my copy of TvT in the mail a few days ago. It installed correctly(I thought) with no error messages. When I selected the first mission to get acquainted with the game the mission loads normally starting with the outside camera view of my tank. The problem is the camera spins continuously around the tank. The inside views are screwed up as well. I uninstalled/re installed and the camera continues to spin although now it's spinning at a slower rate.

I read of this somewhere awhile ago and the solution to fix it but cannot find the thread now that I have the game. I checked my system 32 folder and I do have both the missing dll's that some folks are having problems with.

Anyone have any ideas? Hate to say this Skybird but perhaps I should have listened to you. I'm certainly not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling over this game yet.

[ReM]

The problem is the camera spins continuously around the tank. The inside views are screwed up as well. I uninstalled/re installed and the camera continues to spin although now it's spinning at a slower rate.


I have the same problem with some of my games. You have a joystick plugged in? Removing the (USB) joystick usually solves the problem for me......can't tell for TvT 'cause I don't have the game.

[HEMISENT]

Actually, yeah I do. I'll unplug it and see what happens. I never thought of that.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[tHeBaLrOgRoCkS]

Really?

Let's say you purchased a Motorbike or Car
the engine runs bad, leaks oil and stalls a lot.


Ahh the old 'bought a car' chesnut :D

Clearly you have never owned a Russian Car or Motorbike or you would understand that in the former Soviet Socialist Republic that is what is known as a FEATURE! COMRADE :stare:!

Ok I will admit I had my best optomist cap on (rare for me) at the time I wrote that and much of what you said had and has crossed my mind.

What I think many of us who :oops: shelled out cash for this, were hoping is that we could keep the developers on board long enough for us to get at least some feed back and information on how the guts were wired so we could perhaps perform the same kind of job that was done with PE back in the day.

but there it is I can't say I am happy about it but I am, for now prepared to try and salvage something from this train wreck because I do feel that the online community is more than keen and deserves to have an online Tank Simulator in the ww2 theatre.

As you can see a less opertunistic group of developers have turned out what looks to be a top class offline tank simulator in steel fury and they have even hinted that at some point it will possibly become an online incarnation also.

But until then T34 versus Tiger is all we have to go on.

Some one with some smarts and the cojone's to deliver could maybe see the opertunity here to tap a market

And two or three WW2 tanks installed into SB PE could have shifted a lot of units but I guess that is not what its about.

If nothing else its been a lesson learned, I thought my days of buying lemon's was well behind me :huh: it just goes to show that hope trust and optimisim can be an expensive habit.

we shall see what the future holds.

[Skybird]

As you can see a less opertunistic group of developers have turned out what looks to be a top class offline tank simulator in steel fury and they have even hinted that at some point it will possibly become an online incarnation also.
That is indeed a confirmed info. They are already sitting over putting down the detals for the deal. The addon "Fall Blau" is hoped by them to be released in 1Q2009, which speaks for some detemination for sticking with the franchise.


And two or three WW2 tanks installed into SB PE could have shifted a lot of units but I guess that is not what its about.

You could simulate that in SBP. Play with the Leopard-1s, disable laser rnage finder, thermals, and switch turret to "Turm aus", also disable stabilization. Choose old, less capable rounds in the weapons editor. Play not with the GPS, but the GAS.

There are two different Leopard-1, the A5 and the AS (Australian version).

All that can be set in the editor, also for T-72 and all other tank, but their armour values probbaly are beyond good and evil, for WWII standards, so stay with the Leo-1, which probbaly is the closest.

[tHeBaLrOgRoCkS]

Yes I saw you suggested that somewhere else and I think that whilst that may be an interesting excercise I think a lot of the folks would like to actually feel like they are sat inside a ww2 tank and not a hobbled leo.

Suspension of belief is one thing but I think the visual aspect is as much what people want as the technical difficulties of low tech armour combat.

still SB PE still is by the look of things a top class armour sim and who knows once steel fury is more widespread SB may reap the benefit of a bigger community and boosted interest in armoured combat.

who knows if we can overcome some of the (large hurdles) in TvT we may even see the arrival of some more modern content.

Hope springs eternal just not from G5 right now and depending on how much they medicate me from day to day :D

[Skybird]

I'm still patroling the lighthouse forums, and found this posting, dating to 29th Novembre:


I take it you guys are not aware that the original development company dropped this game after the Russian release?

A dev who had worked on the project continues to work on it part time, so don’t expect any earth shattering bug fixes with oodles of new content to magically appear after a week or two. If I can find the links I will post them here (assuming it won’t be deleted straight away), there were several posts from the guy explaining the situation on a Russian tanksim board, I happened to stumble across them while searching for info on this game and steel fury. I cannot vouch for this guys post’s one way or the other, but I must say he certainly knew what he was talking about when referring to several headaches he has encountered within the code and his knowledge of coding in general. He sounded genuine enough for me to believe what was said, especially given the current state of the game compared with the original Russian release and his explanation of the situation.

http://www.lighthouse-interactive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1624&start=15


If that is true then it is an explanation why Neal does not get any answers on the game from Lighthouse, and best bet is that the game is as dead as dead can be and will see no official support or patches.

[Lieste]

According to the armour scripts, the effects of sloped armour are not modelled correctly.

With a system that requires a minimal processing level, and limited fidelity (eg a miniatures wargame or boardgame) it is common to assign an 'effective armour' thickness to each aspect of the vehicle. This is the choice of the designers of TvT

With a slight increase in complexity (but still trivial) you can model a plate thickness and slope. This allows variations in performance of the armour with changes in slope to be based on the real armour thicknesses and slope (ie T34 frontal armour is at least 45mm thick, but can be effectively 90mm against a frontal attack or much more if on a reverse slope and hit obliquely).

While you can increase armour effectiveness by factoring in slope even with the 'simple' method, the resulting thicknesses will have a minimum value of 90mm.

[Dogger]

Well I got the game today been waiting a bit to get but went ahead and got. So I'm not to happy with it myself, been searching for info on hot fixes. I don't think mine version is an english ver.??? Its all in russain. Most of the key binds don't work properly, I cant turn my turret l or r. Sometimes the engine will start and sometimes it wont start and when it shuts down it wont start.

Different views are not working when I do shift f6 for example it loads the view that f6 provides, so you see these r but a few of the things thats going on with it

Any suggestions will be appreciated

[kranz]

to move the turret you have to be in a proper view i.e commander or gunner(or sth like this), try selecting different stations, then press Insert, Home and Page Up-this may help. To start the engine you need to be on neutral and "without a handbrake"-Space button. Generally I can stay it is a crap worth(read- unworth)40 eu and we will w8 for patches till they go bankrupt.

[Dogger]

I guess that I took for granted that folks would know that If I sd it wont work that it wouldn't sry about. I have tried all views I cant even bring up what I like to see is shift+f6. The only thing that works on the tnk is f1,2,3,4,5,6, and E G H f key for auto driver does not work. trying to move the tnk after e and then accelerating engine to 2200 rpm pressing W or S or a or s nothing happens :( so my game is bascially dead.

[Rolf Eschke]

http://g.imagehost.org/0083/0.jpg

Regards
Rolf

[Rolf Eschke]

http://f.imagehost.org/0092/TvsT_2009-02-25_21-12-16-80.jpg

http://f.imagehost.org/0600/TvsT_2009-02-25_21-15-44-82.jpg

http://f.imagehost.org/0982/TvsT_2009-02-25_21-18-13-88.jpg

[Skybird]

@ Ottoramsaig,

your request for recommendations and all answers to it have been moved to an independant thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=150769

:DL,
The management

[Sledgehammer427]

I got the game a few days ago and I'm lovin the crap out of it.
I have always wanted to Drive/shoot out of/command a tiger (T34 not so much) and when i got the cash, I went for it.
Ive been messing around on the second mission, and I realise that I can eyeball renges pretty good (my initial estimates are 150-200 meters off, and somehow, my brain knows and compensates anyways.) I had fun bombardin the town of T-34s (the whole time, my comrades being blown up around me)

I like this game much and wish my interweb connection was better so I can play with you guys!

[butcher]

Hi everyone , i downloaded both versions ( russian & english ) and i just love the game but there is a "detail " that drives me crazy:damn:
We all know what capability had the Tigers KWK 88 mm main cannon and what devastating effect it had on the armor of the T-34 so knowing all this you surely noticed that sometimes you need to fire more than three shells in order to destroy the T-34 which is totally impossible and not to mention when a T-34 hits a Tiger from a really far distance but then lets not forget that the game itself was designed by russians :D so i guess they don't like to see their T-34's knocked out by Tigers as they were in real combat and lets never forget even for a moment that Tigers were deafeted only by the quantity and never the quality of the T-34:yep:

[joea]

Hi everyone , i downloaded both versions ( russian & english ) and i just love the game but there is a "detail " that drives me crazy:damn:
We all know what capability had the Tigers KWK 88 mm main cannon and what devastating effect it had on the armor of the T-34 so knowing all this you surely noticed that sometimes you need to fire more than three shells in order to destroy the T-34 which is totally impossible and not to mention when a T-34 hits a Tiger from a really far distance but then lets not forget that the game itself was designed by russians :D so i guess they don't like to see their T-34's knocked out by Tigers as they were in real combat and lets never forget even for a moment that Tigers were deafeted only by the quantity and never the quality of the T-34:yep:

Seem you've fallen for the German uberweapons myth :haha:

[butcher]

Seem you've fallen for the German uberweapons myth :haha:

Maybe so but a clear hit should knock out a T-34 anytime and as i said, sometimes i need three of those, just cannot be, its not the uberwaffe syndrom my friend, its the russians who made their T-34 just a bit more tough as it really was i this game :D

[schaetzle]

Hi there.

I am trying to put the tiger into motion but failed.
I arrive to start the engine, but when I press W for moving ahead the rpm goes down to cero and the engine dies.
The manual is not clear with this or maybe the game is defective?
Can anyonwe help me please? Thank you.

[Chucky]

Press 'E' to start engine.Press 'Up Arrow' to increase engine RPM,press 'Space' to release brake,then 'W' to engage 1st gear.You should then get moving.
Have fun!

[Seeadler]

I am trying to put the tiger into motion but failed.
I arrive to start the engine, but when I press W for moving ahead the rpm goes down to cero and the engine dies.
Have you select the 1st gear before pressing W?

[schaetzle]

Chucky: Very clear explanation, especially to press the space bar before hitting W to release the brake first. Thank you very much, my Tiger now moves.

Seeadler: Your question over my question introduces only confussion. You press W to increase gear precisely. Thank you anyway.

[Dowly]

Anyone know how to get rid of the chat bar or what the heck it is that is enabled by some button. In the top left corner, blue >>. I cant get rid of it if I accidentally push the button that enables it. :shifty:

EDIT: Ow and any tactics for the 3rd German mission? The one where you defend the village from Soviet armor? I've tried anything, staying put, trying to get to a hulldown position and flanking them, I die every darn time.

[tonschk]

I cannot understand :hmmm:, I knew the developers of this game went bankrupt , do you think is still possible to buy this T34 vs tiger Game ? , thank you for the answer

[Skybird]

do you think is still possible to buy this T34 vs tiger Game ? , thank you for the answer

Is it wise to even want that...? :hmmm: ;)

You have to assume that it is a dead end you invest your money in.

There are better alternatives:

Steel Fury, if WWII setting is a must for you (same bancrupt publisher, though).
SBP, if you are longing for the full package and tanking hardcore realism.
And "Kharkow 1943" in developement - it remains to be seen how it turns out to be.

[Skybird]

What are you guys talking about, why buy the damn game when you can download both versions ( english & russian ) for free :salute:

Can you tell e please Where is the download link ? , thank you




http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7209/ampelrot.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/i/ampelrot.jpg/)

I hope I must not explain this.

[Bleser]

Is it wise to even want that...? :hmmm: ;)

You have to assume that it is a dead end you invest your money in.

There are better alternatives:

Steel Fury, if WWII setting is a must for you (same bancrupt publisher, though).
SBP, if you are longing for the full package and tanking hardcore realism.
And "Kharkow 1943" in developement - it remains to be seen how it turns out to be.

Whole-heartedly disagree. For what TvT is, it is worth every penny. I would have paid $100+ for what I got. It is GORGEOUS, the fighting is fantastic, and I have played each mission 20+ times and am still loving it.

Don't give up on TvT - probably the best tank game I've ever played.

[Skybird]

I fear you are betting your 100 bucks on a dead horse whose meat is already rotten. The developer was known to have released games before in an unfinished condition and abandoning them immediately, without support. None of them was picked up again by anyone. The distributor is gone, and I think the developer also broke apart meanwhile. The code of TvT has been described to be organised in an unusually complex way, if I got that right, which makes modding it extremely difficult. Interest also is thin, to put it polite. Some enthusiasts will mabye add this or that small cosmetic change, but a complete overhaul is very unlikely, even more so since the copyright also is not invalid but still protected, and will not be abandoned for another couple of years.

Don't hold your breath for TvT, dude, chances are you will run out of air anyway. And for 100 bucks, since you mentioned that number, you can already get SBP (around 90 Euros). And now that is where you get simulation quality and ongoing first-class support, really.

Don't get me wrong, if you spend your money and you like the game, good for you, and this is not to talk you into a depressive mood, but to save you from disappointment. I bet 99:1 that what you hope for simply will not happen. ;)

Everybody else: better think twice before investing your hard-earned money here. Consider that many people both with Vista and XP reported to have been unable to even run the game, both in SP and MP. There have been a very damn lot of complaints.

[Bleser]

I fear you are betting your 100 bucks on a dead horse whose meat is already rotten.

But that's just it - I'm not "betting" - the product I have, as is, with no further development, is worth over $100 in my book. There are no bugs I've run into that cause any real heartache, and I'm sure with time I'll learn the mission editor and create or alter my own missions in the future for added replay-ability. I knew going into it that there would be no support but I don't care - it hasn't been a problem.


Interest also is thin, to put it polite. Some enthusiasts will mabye add this or that small cosmetic change, but a complete overhaul is very unlikely, even more so since the copyright also is not invalid but still protected, and will not be abandoned for another couple of years.

Yes, interest is thin, but with such a specific genre/timeframe, that is to be expected. I'm use to playing games that none of my friends care about. :) No multiplayer out there, but oh well, I enjoy the single player too much anyway.

Don't hold your breath for TvT, dude, chances are you will run out of air anyway. And for 100 bucks, since you mentioned that number, you can already get SBP (around 90 Euros). And now that is where you get simulation quality and ongoing first-class support, really.

Don't get me wrong, if you spend your money and you like the game, good for you, and this is not to talk you into a depressive mood, but to save you from disappointment. I bet 99:1 that what you hope for simply will not happen. ;)

Everybody else: better think twice before investing your hard-earned money here. Consider that many people both with Vista and XP reported to have been unable to even run the game, both in SP and MP. There have been a very damn lot of complaints.

I'm not sure what you're trying to pound home here. I'm not "holding my breath", DUDE, for anything. My ROI has already paid off - I don't need any further updates or development. I don't need an overhaul. I'm sorry if I mislead you in this direction with my post, but I did not mean anything like that. I simply love the product I have in hand and it will always be a sim I re-visit with each hardware update I buy and I'll play every mission again and again to re-live the stunning visuals, sound, and physics that this game delivers.

TvT has its place for WWII German/Russian armor war fans and always will. There is hardly anything that even holds a candle to what it delivers. I hope others are enjoying it as much as I am!

[Chucky]

Bleser,I bought TvT when it first came out and to be honest I didn't like it.I much prefered Steel Fury for my WW2 action.In fact I have never even completed a mission in either the Tiger or T-34.
However your enthusiasm persuaded me to have 'another go' and last night I completed the first Tiger mission and I enjoyed it too.
I take on board what Skybird has said,and he is no doubt right.However,thanks to you I will now try and get my money's worth from this game,or bin it forever.:up:

[Skybird]

But that's just it - I'm not "betting" - the product I have, as is, with no further development, is worth over $100 in my book. There are no bugs I've run into that cause any real heartache, and I'm sure with time I'll learn the mission editor and create or alter my own missions in the future for added replay-ability. I knew going into it that there would be no support but I don't care - it hasn't been a problem.

If so, good for you. But please take into account that many, very many other people who also payed money for this game disagreed with you, and were angry to have wasted their money, as they saw it. I am especially thinking about younger players with limited financial ressources. For them and their limited finances, 30 bucks may be much greater an investement (and a bigger loss and disappointment) than for somebody older who maybe already earns his own money in a regular job and has 1500 or 3000 bucks per month. these less financially capable lads I want to safeguard a bit against being led into what many people agreed to have been a very bad investment for their money.


Yes, interest is thin, but with such a specific genre/timeframe, that is to be expected. I'm use to playing games that none of my friends care about. :) No multiplayer out there, but oh well, I enjoy the single player too much anyway.
No, the interest in WWII and tanks is IMMENSE, and the frustration that there is so little choice is big. As a matter of fact most people refusing SBP do so not because of the price tag but because it is post-WWII, and not WWII. My feature on how to use it in WWII style probably did not change that.

TvT has MP, but fact it that it was so very much broken a feature that most people have stopped trying to make it functioning. whcih again speaks against TvT.


I'm not sure what you're trying to pound home here. I'm not "holding my breath", DUDE, for anything. My ROI has already paid off - I don't need any further updates or development. I don't need an overhaul. I'm sorry if I mislead you in this direction with my post, but I did not mean anything like that. I simply love the product I have in hand and it will always be a sim I re-visit with each hardware update I buy and I'll play every mission again and again to re-live the stunning visuals, sound, and physics that this game delivers.

I congratulate you on seeing it like that, and I am serious. you already have parted from your money, and if you think it was an investement that is worth it for oyu, the better for you it is.

TvT has its place for WWII German/Russian armor war fans and always will. There is hardly anything that even holds a candle to what it delivers.

that depends on personal interests and tatses and what one is looking for when buying a game, but as far as "tank simulation" is concerned you are simply wrong, maybe because you do not have the comparison.

You say you have fun with it and that is what counts for you, and since you say you are happy even without MP (like I am, too, I also do not play any title in MP), it must not worry you that you belong to a minority. So enjoy it! :yeah:

[Bleser]

I must add that it greatly helps the I am an extreme WWII tank fan and the best tank "sim" I've played before TvT is Battlefield 1942. And lets get this straight: Battlefield 1942 IS NOT a sim, in any way. BUT, it looked decent and was fun.

After that game I got hooked on Blitzkrieg and Blitzkrieg 2 (and have played/modded Blitzkrieg 1 to death), but those are not actual sims, so they aren't really comparable, either.

Finally you have TvT, the most modern graphics WWII (non-overhaul of some other game) simulator that I have played, and it is everything that I was expecting and more. I knew it was dead-end when I bought it but what I got surprised me and I'm loving it!

BUT - I must add - Steel Fury 1942 is on its way in the mail right now. Everyone has said it is the better title so I'm going to give it a go - and at $8.50 @ Frys.com, I couldn't pass it up. I have a feeling I'm going to love it too, but it's different in that You have T-34/76 vs. Panzer IV F. It'll have its own place in my collection, but the feeling of driving a 1944 Tiger I and T-34/85 I think will remain with TvT for quite some time!

[Bleser]

Bleser,I bought TvT when it first came out and to be honest I didn't like it.I much prefered Steel Fury for my WW2 action.In fact I have never even completed a mission in either the Tiger or T-34.
However your enthusiasm persuaded me to have 'another go' and last night I completed the first Tiger mission and I enjoyed it too.
I take on board what Skybird has said,and he is no doubt right.However,thanks to you I will now try and get my money's worth from this game,or bin it forever.:up:

Glad I could inspire you to give it another go! The first Tiger mission is fairly boring. The second one and the "Intercept" mission (fourth I think?) are my two favorite, yet I have still not even played the sixth mission yet. The Intercepting the Enemy mission has the perfect daylight setting to give some stunning visuals and fun with tank position as picking off the attacking Russian armor. :up:

[Skybird]

Bleser,

I already understood that you are a WWII buff. and that is okay, every pet has it's favourite toy. me, I am in the high realism and high complexity sim department, resulting in Falcon 4 (complex avioncis and systems) and SBP (complex tactics), but I also like good strategy. Currently I await for the arrival of Battle for Britain II. So, even me accepts WWII as a playground. :)

However, have you considered to add tactics and strategy to your WWII collection? I recommend Conquest of the Aegean; giving you an opposing AI acting so competently that you will swear to deal with a human who came to settle some old business with you (I admit when I play it I expect to get mauled pretty badly), and there is Steel Panthers WWII, which you can legally get for free. The first can be checked out at Matrix' website, the second you see linked in this forum'S resource sticky on Steel Panthers MBT.

Both are no action games, though, but are played from various maps. However, COTA I consider to be a simulation in its way, too, since the units are modelled down to the single man in them, with factors like moral, fatigue, supply state etc, and all this modelled in much detail and with great complexity. Nevertheless it plays fluid. Many consider the AI to be a benchmark. Like SBP, it gets used for military teaching, too, it'S just not that specialised for that kind of audience like SBP is.

Steel Fury, either one likes it or not. I tested it and felt not overly convinced, but it seems to me that it is the much better title when compared to TvT. It has its issues, too, and they could have ironed out some unneeded things if investing just a bit more time into it (sound, AI, pathfinding), but it seems to be more stable, and offers you a greater range of playable missions than TvT, plus mission editor. Somebody even made a quick mission generator, use the search button or check the Steel Fury resource thread, I think I have linked the thread there. Steel Fury found greater acceptance, and the community, though having become very silent, too, has held out for longer than that of TvT. Unfortunytely for our WWII-tank lovers, I constantly had to free the two resource threads for both games of links that had fallen dead meanwhile, with new contributions having stopped to get reported.

[tvt_addict]

Despite the bad press that this game has received, most, and I mean most of the problems can be avoided by setting the pc up so that the game can run on it.

I have played for countless hours, both locally and on Gameranger with a tiny number of problems.

If you want to see most of the solutions in English and French :

http://www.hitenter.co.uk/tvt

It will be a shame if this games bites the dust, it really is good, and in multiplayer mode it is totally addictive.

Rob G

[Chucky]

Thanks for that Rob,I will go and have a look :up:

[gbaggs65]

I just picked this game up and found this site (before having read any of the reviews :doh:). I actually don't find the SP levels all that bad but I agree online MP is best. I noticed all the discussion re:problems in MP servers etc. I saw there was a dedicated T34vT site started but it seems to now be defunct. Any recent solutions to these problems or new places to play MP online? Greg. :06:

[growbag]

Anyone know how to take a screenshot?

It says F8 in the manual but it doesn't work for me :(.

I've accidentally taken screenshots when I got annoyed and pressed millions of keys at once, but I can't replicate it while sane!

I'm running T34 v Tiger under vista if that makes any difference.

Thanks :doh:

[hodi]

screenshots are saved in the root directory as bmp files

sample: SH_000.bmp

[Dowly]

I've accidentally taken screenshots when I got annoyed and pressed millions of keys at once, but I can't replicate it while sane!

ROFL! :har:

[Sledgehammer427]

Dowly I saw you were talking earlier on in the thread about how to go about the third German mission.

What I do (and it's worked pretty well, I can't beat it either, usually because of reasons other than myself)
I jump in the driver's position and head into the town,
where I park the tank behind a building, kind of like leaning out from behind a corner in infantry, I can turn the turret most of the ways so I can engage the Russians coming over the hill. The building keeps you form getting hit on the first shot by those SU-85's and T-34's
On my game the others tend to stay put forcing me to go after them. I would flank them from the right like you said and usually I get a jump on the first two. Then I go after the last three, which is usually where I get killed.
Once I had the first two down and the third started moving, I told the driver to stay put but he took on a mind of his own and started moving. By the time he stopped, we were parked on a tree and I couldn't aim the gun low enough to hit the guy. I was killed amidst smashing the "S" key cussing at the top of my lungs. I think the driver's out to get me, because that wasn't the first time the German driver got me killed (another time was when he wouldn't get behind the building fast enough and I was de-tracked and pulverized by the tanks coming over the hill.)
The Russian driver's pretty competent though:hmmm:

[growbag]

A quick hint -

When trying to get through a lot of trees, go backwards! You can put the Tiger in 4th reverse gear, full throttle, point it in roughly the right direction, then go make a cup of tea.

The trees don't stall your tank in reverse as they do going forward :woot:. They still change your direction and "railway line" you, but at least you can sit back and relax not having to restart your engine each time you hit one! And you can change direction without stalling too.

The highest forward gear for trees is 3rd and you get max 7kmh but still risk stalling, you get upto 8kmh in 4th reverse without being hassled or slowed down, which makes it faster overall.

I left my Tiger going through a forest and went out for about 30 minutes, when I came back he was nearly back to where I started :damn:.

[growbag]

Sorry, another question -

Does anyone know where the game stores individual key settings? I completely uninstalled and deleted the lighthouse folder, but on re-install it kept my mission placings (ie all missions were available), and also some key settings (but not all).

I've searched the entire drive but can't locate anything.

The game loads different settings when I run it with admin privileges or normal user privs!

This is under windows vista home prem 32, sp2.

[Dowly]

@growbag

Havent checked, but try looking from "X:/users/username/my documents/" or another place where some games save data is "X:/users/username/appdata". This is on windows 7, but I think it's the same on Vista. Oh and the appdata folder is hidden, so make sure to turn hidden folders visible.

[growbag]

Yeah, I checked those locations but still don't find anything. It's very odd.

I even searched through the registry and found nothing.

What I find really odd is that I edited the defaultcontrols.script file to get some sane default keys, and the darn game doesn't load it as default, I just don't understand it.

It will only load the keys I set in that file if I run the game as administrator, and then click on "default" in the key settings menu. But I have to do that each time I run the game.

It saves something somewhere, but I can't find it.

[Dowly]

Hmm... :hmmm:

I'll install my copy tonight or tomorrow and start digging around.

[growbag]

...so no luck I guess dowly :(

[Dowly]

Ow nutsack! Forgot about it. :doh:

I'll reinstall it right away. :salute:

EDIT: That is weird indeed. I checked everything and searched for anything yet found nothing. But my saved games from the earlier install were still there so it definitely saves something somewhere. :doh:

[Mikhayl]

From what I've read there's been at least two different versions of the game released. In my version there's no appdata folder, the screenshots (F8 key) are stored in the TvT main folder, and lots of the settings are keys in the registry.
Look in HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/G5 Software/T34.
The missions unlock are registry keys as well, there's USSRCampaign and GerCampaign, stock is 1, if you put 6 it unlocks the whole campaign.

Maybe you installed the game for "all users", then reinstalled it for "me only" and so you have two distinct registry folders, that would explain why the game uses different settings when you run in admin or normal user.

[growbag]

Ow nutsack! :doh:

lol, oh well at least that made me laugh :har:

Thanks for the registry tip Mikhayl, I'll have a look when I'm in windows later.

I bought my copy from Amazon UK if that makes any difference.

[butcher]

This is the real deal, late war Tiger :salute::yep:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/014-12.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/015-11.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/016-17.jpg

[butcher]

T-34/85 :yeah:http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/040-1.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/048-1.jpg

[butcher]

IS-2
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/046-2.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/047-5.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger track !
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/035-1.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger detail ( Commanders cupola )
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/017-5.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger rear http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/026-1.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/023-4.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/031.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger grill
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/018-5.jpg

[butcher]

Hi everyone , been to Snegiri last month and took a couple of pics so i figured this would be the right place to post them cause we all love tanks, don't we :yep:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/024-4.jpg

[Chucky]

Wow! Some great pics there :up:
There are some holes in that Tiger that must have really ruined the crews day for sure.
Thanks for posting.

[butcher]

Actually this tiger was abondened by the crew and the soviets used it for target practice , breaks my heart when i see the condition of this Tiger , they could have used a propper cammo pattern and the muzzle is not original but there is another mid war Tiger in the Kubinka museum, that one is in perfect condition, King Tiger as well and many more but as i am not russian i do need a special permit to visit that museum but i will take care of that and post some great pics soon :salute:

[Chucky]

Could you see inside the Tiger? I was just wondering what those holes looked like from the inside and how much equipment was left in it (if any)?
I am going to the Tank Museum at Bovington (UK) this spring/summer to see their Tiger in action.:yeah:

[butcher]

This is the view from the commanders cupola, bit rusty but you can still tell the serial numbers !!!
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/020-1.jpg

[ArmorEtr]

Nice pics man, thanks for posting them. :yeah:

[butcher]

Thanks, here are a couple more closeups ,btw, tried to snatch those tracks lying by the Tiger, you wouldn't believe how damn heavy they are , could barely move them :har:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/025-1.jpg

[butcher]

Emergency turret exit hatch !
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/029-2.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/027-4.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger exhaust system detail !
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/028.jpg

[butcher]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/032-1.jpg

[butcher]

Tiger track detail !
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/033.jpg

[butcher]

SU-85
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/049-3.jpg

[butcher]

There is another SU-85 and a T-34/76 in mint condition near my house, will take a walk and shoot some pics but its like -24 right now , no wonder the germans lost the war on the ostfront :wah:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/042.jpg

[butcher]

ISU-152 , Tiger crews were very careful not to miss this selfpropelled gun with its 152 mm because it could penetrate the tiger armor with no problem but anyway the Tiger almost always came out as a winner in combat duels due to its deadly 88 mm gun and their very effective crews :rock:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z267/obergruppen/045-2.jpg

[ZeeWolf]

Hello butcher,
Your pictures are fantastic. Do you have more?
And of course butcher the Germans and Her allies lost the war,
we all know that.
However (that being a given) the question becomes how they lost?
You see my interest in WW2 has a philosophical component, and that
being: All wars begin with lies.
Demanding the truth first before all else. But this takes courage to
stand against enormous "knee jerk" pressure. I never forget the fact
that Governments want war first then the people are lead in to them,
never the reverse.

Best regards,
ZeeWolf

[ArmorEtr]

Ahhhh love the ISU-152 pic with that monster gun, one of my favs. I sometimes try and imagine seeing these armored beasts rolling up to my trench. Very scary since most were just armed with a bolt-action rifle way back then. :dead:

Although that thing was not exactly ideal for tank duels with the long reload times. Didn't they have to load a powder charge for the shell?

P.S. Is there a JagdTiger there?

[butcher]

Thanks for the comments guys, just wanted to cover the tanks that are included in the game with a little extra !
The ISU-152 crews didn't use any powder when reloading ,no Jagdtigers here but in the Kubinka tank museum they have all the goodies and even the only remaining Maus super heavy german tank !
I have been there last year but i will take new pics, promise not less than hundred pics, closeups and all that and i will be visiting the tank museum in Israel as well , they have a perfect Stug IV, Pzkw IV etc , the only thing is that all the tanks at display there are in the desert paint scheme !
I will post more pics tomorrow and thanks again for the comments !

[difool2]

Looking to spend some post-Christmas funds-I find tank sims rather appealing, so some questions:

Any major bugs unresolved a year after release?

Can you run multiplayer on a LAN? Is MP running smoothly now?

Are there lots of user-made scenarios now?

[frinik]

Hello Butcher,

I read your post with interest and I liked your pics!

Re the Stug IV at the tank museum in Isreal?I knew they had a Panzer IV which they took from the inept Syrians( talk about giving these clown such a wonderful tank!) in 1967.I also know the Syrians got the PzIV from the French who got them as war booty after 1945.What about the Stug IV did the Israelis capture them from the Syrians as well?

Cheers!

[butcher]

Hi Frinik , i was wrong, its a Stug III and a PZKW IV AUSF G in tan color , wil take extra pics when i get there , take care and to all you tank freaks out there, a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year !!!

[Capt. Shark Bait]

gott say i rather like this one:cool:, Tiger vs.t34, and no, i didn't get the name wrong since the best t34 is one that's been destroyed:D. it's unfortunate it was abandoned cuz there aren't many non-acardy type tank games out there

[butcher]

gott say i rather like this one:cool:, Tiger vs.t34, and no, i didn't get the name wrong since the best t34 is one that's been destroyed:D. it's unfortunate it was abandoned cuz there aren't many non-acardy type tank games out there

I agree with you but then it was the quantity and never the quality of the T-34 that killed the Tiger !
I have spoken to russian WW-2 vets , the ones that survived that is :yep: and they told me the last thing they wanted to see on the horizont was the Tiger , they had great respect for that tank !!!

[Sung]

I bought this game yesterday. I'm excited about it. :yeah:

[Wilcke]

Hey guys I have started getting the pesky dinput8.dll error again, where the program refuses to start 4-5 times and finally initiates. Once in a great while it will error out during game play as well.

Any solutions? Besides unplugging all my CH sticks, rudders and throttles which are a pain to reinitiate! Not that this helped in the least last time I had this problem, although after googling the problem that is what was recommended.

Thanks in advance!

[rdoom]

Hi guys, i'm develope new patch in Spanish, they correct blue screen when play in First Person (Tank Hit!)
here http://rapidshare.com/files/349157474/Parcherdoom.rar

suggestion to einrich_sepp@hotmail.com

RDººM forever!!

I hope they please
best regards!

[dean_acheson]

Arrggghh!

So I've ordered this, punched in the keycode in caps, in lower case, with dashs, and w/o dashes, and am told that it's invalid, and now it appears the company is Kaput.

Lovely.

[Chucky]

Don't panic! We have all been there.
Not sure if they still have the stupidly small label that needed a magnifying glass to read but try 'nought' instead of the letter 'O' and vice-versa.
The same with '2' and the letter 'Z'.
I have installed this game many,many times and never get it right first time.
Eventually I put it into a notepad file so I could paste it into the box,so much easier :up:

I use all upper case and the dashes must be there.

[ShotgunReed]

is it worth buying? Dont care about cg that much, gameplay is my priority

[Chucky]

Out of the box it does have problems.
However thanks to ZeeWolf ( see here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=203) most of the problems are getting fixed.
He is even working on a Kursk mod due out in March,although it won't be free.
If you can pick it up cheap (highly likely,seeing as the developers went bust) then it's worth a try I think.

Have a browse of the forum link I posted and see if it looks like what you want out of a game.

Chucky.

[frinik]

Well Shotgun, if gameplay is your top priority then don't miss the boat and buy into ZW's Kursk mod when you get the chance because otherwise you might as well shelve your TvsT game or sell it at a discount.There's no future for it as far as SP is concerned without ZW's masterful work.he is going to announce soon how to buy his release so stay posted.

Cheers

[Panzerknacker]

Out of the box it does have problems.


Problems? LOL Man, this is one of the worse-finished games I've ever seen- it's just brutal. It needs an exterminator it's so buggy and I haven't had half the problems people have reported in here. The worst part of it is that it has such potential but they just totally blew it. I'm not surprised the developers went out of business if this was the garbage they produced.

I'm hopeful ZeeWolf's Kursk will rescue it- he's a star for even trying to help out this horror-show of a game, and I guess we'll see. With all the freezing, and random driver/gunner/commander AI problems making even moving an unwinnable battle, even if the thing were just plain playable I'd be happy- and I'd be extactic if it just had had a bare-bones mission builder...

[mcostello70]

Just got this game off ebay. would really love to play it, BUT how do I get the key code entered? :damn:
I've tried caps, no caps, dashes, no dashes, Zeroes and O's. I've tried every combination and substitution I can think of. :wah:
Now I find that the developers are defunct. So no support
Can anyone give me a valid key code?:salute:
I thought I would dock my U-Boat for awhile and punch some holes in Russian armor for a change!!

[ZeeWolf]

Just got this game off ebay. would really love to play it, BUT how do I get the key code entered? :damn:
I've tried caps, no caps, dashes, no dashes, Zeroes and O's. I've tried every combination and substitution I can think of. :wah:
Now I find that the developers are defunct. So no support
Can anyone give me a valid key code?:salute:
I thought I would dock my U-Boat for awhile and punch some holes in Russian armor for a change!!

I sounds like you may have a pirated copy. And there is no support here for
pirated software.

ZeeWolf

[mcostello70]

Zee,
Thanks for a quick reply.
I can't see any proof of my copy being "pirated". The box arrived sealed in shrink-wrap. The disc has a factory label on it. Lighthouse interactive, artwork, etc.
What else can I do for key code entry?

[ZeeWolf]

Zee,
Thanks for a quick reply.
I can't see any proof of my copy being "pirated". The box arrived sealed in shrink-wrap. The disc has a factory label on it. Lighthouse interactive, artwork, etc.
What else can I do for key code entry?

I didn't know that (important) detail, I am at a loss as to the cause of not accepting the key. I wish I could be more helpful mcostello70. :hmmm:

Best regards,

ZeeWolf

[frinik]

Or you may be entering the wrong letter or number like many others because they are written so small as to be illegible.Try o(letter) instead of 0 for example.Read some of the old threads on TvsT I think some people had the same problem.

[Sledgehammer427]

also, try 5's instead of S's and B's instead of 8's. I'm surprised I'm not bald from all the hair pulling that came from entering a key perfectly and having it say I was wrong. Thankfully nowadays the game companies are getting a little better at things like this, making more legible keycodes.

[Feuer Frei!]

On another note
Finally getting to play this, installed it half an hour ago on Win 7 64-bit, looking great.
Love the sounds and amazed at how the game "feels" so far.
Qstn: using a wireless keyboard (doubt if that makes much difference) but the default keys assigned to the controls, ie. rpm's etc etc, when i try to turn engine off or on (e) it doesn't seem to respond. Auto driver doesn't seem to "auto drive" when turned on (f)?
Anyone else having this problem?
Auto gunner is working.
Maybe the keys need to be reassigned? Doubt if that will change anything.

[ZeeWolf]

On another note
Finally getting to play this, installed it half an hour ago on Win 7 64-bit, looking great.
Love the sounds and amazed at how the game "feels" so far.
Qstn: using a wireless keyboard (doubt if that makes much difference) but the default keys assigned to the controls, ie. rpm's etc etc, when i try to turn engine off or on (e) it doesn't seem to respond. Auto driver doesn't seem to "auto drive" when turned on (f)?
Anyone else having this problem?
Auto gunner is working.
Maybe the keys need to be reassigned? Doubt if that will change anything.

Greetings Feuer Frei!

Make sure you are in the commanders position before pressing the "f" key

Vor! :salute:

ZeeWolf

[Feuer Frei!]

Greetings Feuer Frei!

Make sure you are in the commanders position before pressing the "f" key

Vor! :salute:

ZeeWolf
Many thanks for the tip! I looked through the game folder for a user guide, no such luck.
Anywhere where i should be looking? (here or elsewhere)?
Thanks in advance.

[ZeeWolf]

Many thanks for the tip! I looked through the game folder for a user guide, no such luck.
Anywhere where i should be looking? (here or elsewhere)?
Thanks in advance.

Got you covered Feuer Frei! :up:

http://www.filefront.com/15430935/Manual_T34.zip/

Happy hunting!

ZeeWolf

[Feuer Frei!]

Got you covered Feuer Frei! :up:

http://www.filefront.com/15430935/Manual_T34.zip/

Happy hunting!

ZeeWolf

Very kind of you, really do appreciate your help. :up:

[mrstone]

Mcostello

You are right - there are discs out there with wrong key (or may be key has expired)

I had similar problem. If you still cannot install the game, send me a private message and I will try to help

[sofie_59]

You need a magnifying glass to see those small letter.
And even then its hard to read

[zachanscom]

Hello butcher,
Your pictures are fantastic. Do you have more?
And of course butcher the Germans and Her allies lost the war,
we all know that.
However (that being a given) the question becomes how they lost?
You see my interest in WW2 has a philosophical component, and that
being: All wars begin with lies.
Demanding the truth first before all else. But this takes courage to
stand against enormous "knee jerk" pressure. I never forget the fact
that Governments want war first then the people are lead in to them,
never the reverse.

Best regards,
ZeeWolf

excluding things that don't conform to our preconceptions doesn't work, either. confirmation bias is dangerous in historiography, especially. for example, when we're focused more on philosophy rather than facts. philosophy is intangible and subjective. facts can be verified or proven false with evidence and science.

[ZeeWolf]

excluding things that don't conform to our preconceptions doesn't work, either. confirmation bias is dangerous in historiography, especially. for example, when we're focused more on philosophy rather than facts. philosophy is intangible and subjective. facts can be verified or proven false with evidence and science.

Your statement: "excluding things that don't conform to our preconceptions doesn't work" is certainly not in the spirit of facts, evidence and science.
However, my philosophical component: that "All wars begin with lies". Is
most firmly based in fact, evidence and science and one more item that the
enlightened tend to ignore as if it dose not exist and that is TRUTH.
[Gk. philosophos = lover of wisdom] and [Christian = lover of truth and Christ].
And one more thing that needs mentioning - It takes far more courage to face the truth then it dose to toy with facts, evidence and science.

ZeeWolf