Neutral shipping question

[TheAnalogKid]

Is the any penalty for sinking neutral shipping?
So far I have been leaving alone just in case.

[GoldenRivet]

the points you earn for sinking ship is called "renown" - renown is used for "buying" upgrades to your sub, getting new weapons, medals, promotions and officers etc

If you sink a neutral ship, renown will be deducted from your total for the value of the sunken ship.

these renown values vary depending on what mods your using if any.

my advice... leave neutrals well enough alone. :up:

[TheAnalogKid]

Thanks for that. I'm glad I did leave them alone then.

[bookworm_020]

In GWX you won't loose renown for sinking neutral shipping, but you won't get any either. Sinking neutral shipping also means if you bump into any other shipping from that country in the next 24 hours it will treat you as an enemy, and sink you if armed.

Watch out as some convoys to have neutral ships in them. Even if they're breeching the law about neutals sailing with enemy escorts, you don't get any renown. Always check the flag before sinking. I almost sunk a American large freighter this morning, glad I checked!:oops:

[Contact]

I think sinking of lonely neutral ships is obviously a sin :) but if some neutrals are sailing in group with enemy ships around they're just risking their asses :) No wonder they were hit accidently and sunk.

[Sailor Steve]

In GWX you won't loose renown for sinking neutral shipping, but you won't get any either.
Is that true? I changed mine to '0' for just that reason, so of course I can't check, but I don't think GWX does that.

[Captain Nemo]

In GWX you won't loose renown for sinking neutral shipping, but you won't get any either. Sinking neutral shipping also means if you bump into any other shipping from that country in the next 24 hours it will treat you as an enemy, and sink you if armed.

I think the point Sailor Steve has made regarding neutrals and renown in GWX is correct. Having said that, I'll take this opportunity to raise an issue connected with sinking neutrals that didn't get a reply in another thread that I posted in sometime ago. A few patrols back I sunk by mistake a ship owned by the USA prior to their entry into WWII. If the statement made by bookworm is correct, and others have said this as well, if I encounter any ships/planes of the USA they will attack me for at least 24 hours after I committed the crime. Well in my case the Irish also took a dislike to me as I was attacked by Irish Hurricane's on two different occassions soon after sinking the US ship. Because of this, I'm wondering if you become an enemy of all neutral nations for 24 hours. Can anyone clarify?

Nemo

[Contact]

I think if u sink neutral u will become an enemy of the world. Remember the Konigsberg target ships. When u strike them, u're becoming an enemy even of your own nation :p

[Murr44]

In GWX you won't loose renown for sinking neutral shipping, but you won't get any either. Sinking neutral shipping also means if you bump into any other shipping from that country in the next 24 hours it will treat you as an enemy, and sink you if armed.

I think the point Sailor Steve has made regarding neutrals and renown in GWX is correct. Having said that, I'll take this opportunity to raise an issue connected with sinking neutrals that didn't get a reply in another thread that I posted in sometime ago. A few patrols back I sunk by mistake a ship owned by the USA prior to their entry into WWII. If the statement made by bookworm is correct, and others have said this as well, if I encounter any ships/planes of the USA they will attack me for at least 24 hours after I committed the crime. Well in my case the Irish also took a dislike to me as I was attacked by Irish Hurricane's on two different occassions soon after sinking the US ship. Because of this, I'm wondering if you become an enemy of all neutral nations for 24 hours. Can anyone clarify?

Nemo

Is it possible that you sank the American ship within Irish territorial waters? I have no idea as to whether SH III models a country's territorial waters or not; just throwing that out for consideration.

I leave neutral vessels alone. If there's any doubt in my mind regarding a ship's nationality I let it pass unharmed. Sinking one (even accidently) just wastes a torpedo that might be desperately needed later on.

One other question: will neutral aircraft or ships pass on information about your location to the enemy if they spot you? During early war periods ('39-'41) I treat all US vessels as potential spies for the British. I won't attack them but will dive as they're spotted to avoid detection. Same goes for Irish aircraft & ships.

[nikbear]

I'm led to belive that Neutral ships will report you position to the enemy,never trust them myself thats for sure:hmm:the less anybody know's about you being in the area the better:up:

[BasilY]

In GWX you won't loose renown for sinking neutral shipping, but you won't get any either. Sinking neutral shipping also means if you bump into any other shipping from that country in the next 24 hours it will treat you as an enemy, and sink you if armed.
I think the point Sailor Steve has made regarding neutrals and renown in GWX is correct. Having said that, I'll take this opportunity to raise an issue connected with sinking neutrals that didn't get a reply in another thread that I posted in sometime ago. A few patrols back I sunk by mistake a ship owned by the USA prior to their entry into WWII. If the statement made by bookworm is correct, and others have said this as well, if I encounter any ships/planes of the USA they will attack me for at least 24 hours after I committed the crime. Well in my case the Irish also took a dislike to me as I was attacked by Irish Hurricane's on two different occassions soon after sinking the US ship. Because of this, I'm wondering if you become an enemy of all neutral nations for 24 hours. Can anyone clarify?

Nemo

Gee, you must have real good eye sight, how do you know they are Irish Hurricanes? I duck at the first sight of any flying object....:D

[FIREWALL]

If a newt is in with an enemy convoy or heading into an enemy harbor their fair game to me.

I should also state I don't use the renoun system. :arrgh!:

[Pioneer]

May I please add to the questioning...recently spotted in the Straits of Gibraltar just north of Casablanca - a big fat heavy Japanese ore carrier. Only problem, it's October 1940.

The Japanese aren't even listed as neutral or otherwise in that period.

[FIREWALL]

SINK IT. :p :rotfl:

[meduza]

:o

But the Japanese are our friends. :D

[Keel Basa]

:o

But the Japs are our friends. :D

Yeah, but what if you're feelin' some eelin'? :doh:

(I hear they love being called "japs" as well.)

*Ducks to avoid discussion of historical racism, leaves thread*

[meduza]

(I hear they love being called "japs" as well.)

:hmm: Is it offensive? If it is, I wasn't aware, and certainly didn't mean to offend anyone, and I apologize. :oops:

[Erich dem Roten]

I believe it is considered a bit...discourteous...but not on the level of racism of the many other slurs out there.

[Jimbuna]

Nothing like straying off topic.....best stop referring to the Americans as yanks and us British as Tommies :hmm:

Depending on precisely which context it is meant in :lol:

[FIREWALL]

I would hope that all the abbreveations are only being used to make typeing easier. :yep:

Racism has no place here. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

I would hope that all the abbreveations are only being used to make typeing easier. :yep:

Racism has no place here. :nope:

Agreed.....but I don't think any racist slur was intended in this instance.

[FIREWALL]

Me either. :yep:

Now back to topic. It's hard to pass up a juicy Lg Tanker. :p :rotfl: I say it's reaaaly hard. :arrgh!:

[meduza]

Let me assure you that I had no racist intentions. I do not approve racism, or any other kind of discrimination.
I know that the ignorance is no excuse, but please bear in mind that English is not my native language, and what comes naturaly for most of the people, I have to learn in a hard way. I consider this another lesson learned, so I edited my post and removed offensive word. Once more I apologize.

Now, I consider this subject closed, and continue on topic. :D

Usually I don't sink neutrals, although I did it a few times. On my first patrol I got trigger happy and sank a few Dutch vessels, mostly small ones :oops:. Once I damaged a Greek ship sailing in the convoy. At first I was glad she didn't sink, but later I found her again straggling behind the convoy, and I couldn't let her go. :arrgh!:

I do get tempted by the big fat neutrals, especially the Venezuelan convoy of 4 tankers in Caribbean, and Swedish and Spanish liners sailing along the Spanish coast.

[Erich dem Roten]

If I find a neutral ship of war, or ship that may help an enemy in time of war, in an enemy harbor, that to me is fair game.

Though one time I was about a day out of Lorient and spend a good amount of time shelling a German cargo ship :oops:

When it was light enough to see the flag I dove out of shame so they wouldn't see me.

[TheAnalogKid]

Me either. :yep:

Now back to topic. It's hard to pass up a juicy Lg Tanker. :p :rotfl: I say it's reaaaly hard. :arrgh!:

I just was playing 1/2hr ago and guess what just came across my bows? (within 250m it was )

A big fat juicy lg tanker, with an american flag flying high.........................dribble, slather, oh I want to sink it.........but I let it pass.