That Silent Hunter IV World.....

[Seminole]

...Really appears to be an alien world or at least a fictional one. Don't get yer dander up I'm just observing not complaining.

I go up to the bridge ,F4 view, and look up to see stars obscuring the clouds which for a certainty means that the stars are closer to earth than are the clouds. :o

Then take a gander at the magical mystery map..you know..the one that turns dark or light to indicate dawn, day,dusk and night..not where I am currently... but back at base thousands of miles away. :-? I'll bet these weren't WWII standard issue maps.;)

But to get to the real point..take a look at this map:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm36/Seminole_05/map.jpg


I have never noticed it before but the entire Southern hemisphere is "DARK" compared to the Northern hemisphere which is "Light." :shifty: Split, as you can see, into halves along the Equator.

Now after I saw this I was thinking...hmmmm... maybe the SHIV World rotates not from West to East but rather North to South...or even South to North. But no dice.

As it so happened I was steaming almost exactly along the equator when I made this observation. I then turned hard to port expecting to encounter nightfall. Instead, within a few miles I ran into heavy weather...gale force winds,heavy fog and heavy precipitation. So, I came about to head north of the equatorial line and I was back into entirely clear sailing in a matter of minutes. :huh: :shifty: :o

So then that must mean that dark tinted portion of the map..i.e...the entire Southern Hemisphere..is gripped in a raging storm of Biblical proportions..:o ...since surely nothing like this has occured since Noah's Flood....:hmm:

The SHIV world is indeed a strange one...but I like it never-the-less.

BTW...I'm weeks into the patrol now and the map is still divided into dark and light halves. On the way back to base I intend to dip south again just to see if that perfect storm is still in business.

[SteamWake]

Huh Ive never noticed this either the half darkend thing.

I pass off the map changing colors day/night to the change in the lighting on board the ship, although there would be no real change unless someone left a window open :rotfl:

This is the second time Ive seen someone say 'the stars are closer than the clouds' agin Ive never noticed this either.

My biggest 'ailen' moment is the way the clouds race accross the sky in good weather :hmm:

[Diopos]

The somewhat darker southern hemisphere on the the map is ... just that! Of no other consequence in the game. Stars in front of clouds? Yeahp. Supersonic clouds? Of course!
Here is another one. Maybe not so obvious. Maybe I'm wrong...
Balao. Surfaced. Binoculars. Watch your prop water splashes. Seems that your props are rotating in the same direction.

[Rockin Robbins]

Interesting Seminole! I too have never seen stars in front of the clouds. When it's foggy I can see things through the conning tower and through my crew, but only sometimes. When I'm running TMO and the escorts all have Superman aboard using his super x-ray vision, I just figure it's justice. I WANT to see through stuff, just to get even.http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/giggle.gif

I realize I could get rid of the transparent solid objects by turning volumetric fog off, but I like the effect enough to put up with a minor annoyance. Yes the SH4 world is an alien one.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/alienabduction.gif

[Seminole]

The somewhat darker southern hemisphere on the the map is ... just that!


If that is an accurate statement then I wonder why it has disappeared from my map now after a couple of more weeks at sea? The map has become once again a homogenous mixture of light and dark both north and south ...and in fact has developed a distinct east west division.????


http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm36/Seminole_05/ma.jpg

And now is darkened on a East -West line as a matter of fact....

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm36/Seminole_05/mbbmp.jpg

[Seminole]

Interesting Seminole! I too have never seen stars in front of the clouds.

Equally interesting that you have never noticed this. It isn't a graphic card glitch either .

Just go on the bridge at dusk or dawn and watch the clouds "drift over the stars"....it is the stars that obscure the clouds rather than the other way around as it ought to be.

It is one of the first things I noticed about SHIV going back to ver.1.0...:yep:

[groomsie]

I figured it was a slight differential just to highlight the equatorial line. Never noticed a weather difference, will need to look into that next time I'm in the vicinity...

As far as the map changing, it is to simulate "rigging for red" at dusk and going back to normal lighting at dawn. It serves the purposes of (1) keeping night vision so if you have to go outside or look out without warning you won't be blind (can take 30 minutes or so to adjust vison to dark), and (2) keep some reference for crew as to night/day.

[Diopos]

The somewhat darker southern hemisphere on the the map is ... just that!


If that is an accurate statement then I wonder why it has disappeared from my map now after a couple of more weeks at sea? The map has become once again a homogenous mixture of light and dark both north and south ...and in fact has developed a distinct east west division.????
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And now is darkened on a East -West line as a matter of fact....



1. Is it my eyes... but there still is a North South shade variation west of the 170 deg meridien.
2. The added West East shade to the east of the ~170 meridien is supposed to be another lesson about life but you must ask Ubi or the modder for the specifics!:rotfl: Never seen that (stock 1.4 no mods). Crazy game! :yep:

[Seminole]

I figured it was a slight differential just to highlight the equatorial line

That is the whole point...and problem...http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/2001.gif...if one considers it a problem..I rather think of it as a curiosity.

This very even light/dark division is not at all static...compare first screenie to the latter ones....if it were simply a geographical division then it would be a natural requirement that it remain a static division.... as the Equator never shifts.

I've never seen this before and after it did appear it only lasted a couple of weeks (in game weeks) a matter of an hour or less in real time.

[Seminole]

As far as the map changing, it is to simulate "rigging for red" at dusk and going back to normal lighting at dawn. It serves the purposes of (1) keeping night vision so if you have to go outside or look out without warning you won't be blind (can take 30 minutes or so to adjust vison to dark), and (2) keep some reference for crew as to night/day.


:lol: ...Only problem with that theory is that the dawn,day, dusk,night lighting changes occur according to time shifts relative to your home base.

It does very little good to "rig for red" when it is broad daylight up on deck and it remains hours to nightfall at your current location. ;) :yep: :lol:

[SteamWake]

As far as the map changing, it is to simulate "rigging for red" at dusk and going back to normal lighting at dawn. It serves the purposes of (1) keeping night vision so if you have to go outside or look out without warning you won't be blind (can take 30 minutes or so to adjust vison to dark), and (2) keep some reference for crew as to night/day.


:lol: ...Only problem with that theory is that the dawn,day, dusk,night lighting changes occur according to time shifts relative to your home base.

It does very little good to "rig for red" when it is broad daylight up on deck and it remains hours to nightfall at your current location. ;) :yep: :lol:

Couple of things here, My map only turns 'red ish' when it is dusk till dawn locally. In fact I use it as a rough indicator of when the sun is setting so we can come up for fresh air.

"Rigged for red" was only used when the ship was preparing to surface after dark. It was done to allow the sailors pupils open and have better night vision. Under 'normal' conditions surfaced, submerged, day / night normal 'white' lighting was used. No they did not spend all night under red lighting. Some guys may have turned the lights down / off while sleeping.

I remember reading somewhere that modern subs alter lighting levels to simulate day / night cycle for moral purposes. See as how the boys literally havent seen the sun for months.

[Task Force]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:

[Lexandro]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:
Haha your saying that but the first time I was on patrol I saw some glowing shapes floating in the air and getting closer to my periscope during an attack and I thought the martians had decided to watch :lol: . Then reality slapped me and I realised it was starshells :oops:

[Rilder]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:
Haha your saying that but the first time I was on patrol I saw some glowing shapes floating in the air and getting closer to my periscope during an attack and I thought the martians had decided to watch :lol: . Then reality slapped me and I realised it was starshells :oops:

Maybe the martians were firing star shells?

[Task Force]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:
Haha your saying that but the first time I was on patrol I saw some glowing shapes floating in the air and getting closer to my periscope during an attack and I thought the martians had decided to watch :lol: . Then reality slapped me and I realised it was starshells :oops:

Maybe the martians were firing star shells?

So the martians are on there side.:huh:

[Rilder]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:
Haha your saying that but the first time I was on patrol I saw some glowing shapes floating in the air and getting closer to my periscope during an attack and I thought the martians had decided to watch :lol: . Then reality slapped me and I realised it was starshells :oops:

Maybe the martians were firing star shells?

So the martians are on there side.:huh:

Lets hope they don't have depth charges!

[Task Force]

No thay just have lazers.:lol:

[kylania]

Wow were sailing in a ailean world.:huh: Better look out for ufos, They might take my sub.:yep:

I heard some aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQnguKP_Abs) in SH3! :)

[BlueFlames]

I think that the slight color variances all over the map are meant to show that it has been creased and left in a high-humidity environment. That will leave paper wrinkled and unable to sit flat on the table, so there will be slight shadows on parts of the page. Silent Hunter III did much the same thing, but the creases were positioned in a fixed position, relative to your eye, rather than relative to the map, so when you dragged the map around the table, the creases didn't move with the map, like they should have.

Methinks the Roswell aliens landed in Germany years before the crash in New Mexico but didn't leave anything behind nearly as useful as the velcro the Americans picked off of Little Gray's rotting carcass.

[SteamWake]

No thay just have lazers.:lol:

Strapped to there friggin heads ? ! :yep:

[groomsie]

"Rigged for red" was only used when the ship was preparing to surface after dark. It was done to allow the sailors pupils open and have better night vision. Under 'normal' conditions surfaced, submerged, day / night normal 'white' lighting was used. No they did not spend all night under red lighting. Some guys may have turned the lights down / off while sleeping.
Can you find support for this, because I'm dubious. My understanding is it can take 30 minutes or more to fully acclimate your night vision, and in wartime steaming why take the chance on having to wait 30 minutes if some need to look around at night suddenly comes up (potential target or emergency). If you were sure you wouldn't need night vision on short notice I could see this, but what captain could be that sure?

Certainly on surface I'd question any sub running with normal lights inside. We always set night time lighting on surface ship, and a WWII sub was nothing much more than a small surface ship that could submerge part of the time. Sub isn't big enough to isolate your watch reliefs to allow night vision to fully acclimate, easier to darken ship.


I remember reading somewhere that modern subs alter lighting levels to simulate day / night cycle for moral purposes. See as how the boys literally havent seen the sun for months.
Again, my brief (overnight on USS Gurnard) at sea experience on a modern US Navy sub confirms this is done, and part of the reason is to keep some sort of reference fram on real world.

[LukeFF]

Can you find support for this, because I'm dubious. My understanding is it can take 30 minutes or more to fully acclimate your night vision, and in wartime steaming why take the chance on having to wait 30 minutes if some need to look around at night suddenly comes up (potential target or emergency). If you were sure you wouldn't need night vision on short notice I could see this, but what captain could be that sure?

This comes from the Feet Submarine Manual, in the section about duties of the CPO of the Watch:

At night, insure that each oncoming lookout is fitted with and wears dark adaptation goggles continuously for at least 20 minutes before being allowed to proceed to the conning tower.

And farther down, in the same section:

Half an hour prior to surfacing, rig the hatch skirt. Turn out the white lights; turn on the red as designated for the control room.

[tomoose]

As mentioned previously the light and dark aspects of the map page, at least to me, where simply there to simulate creases in your map chart. I've found no correlation between these shaded areas and time of day. One thing I have noticed however is the time of dawn and dusk once I get near japan whereby dawn can be close to 10am and dusk damn near midnight in some cases!!:-? I know there's DST etc and I don't have any real life exposure to that end of the world but the dawn and dusk timings seem a bit strange sometimes.

Ref red lights, we still use red filters on flashlights at night to maintain night vision "in the bush". There's a good episode of Mythbusters which investigates this type of thing, it was their "pirate myths" episode. Supposedly one myth states that the famous pirate eyepatch was not from wounds but a method of keeping one eye ready for night vision by keeping it covered!!:arrgh!:
;)

[tomoose]

As mentioned previously the light and dark aspects of the map page, at least to me, were simply there to simulate creases in your map chart. I've found no correlation between these shaded areas and time of day. One thing I have noticed however is the time of dawn and dusk once I get near japan whereby dawn can be close to 10am and dusk damn near midnight in some cases!!:-? I know there's DST etc and I don't have any real life exposure to that end of the world but the dawn and dusk timings seem a bit strange sometimes.

Ref red lights, we still use red filters on flashlights at night to maintain night vision "in the bush". There's a good episode of Mythbusters which investigates this type of thing, it was their "pirate myths" episode. Supposedly one myth states that the famous pirate eyepatch was not from wounds but a method of keeping one eye ready for night vision by keeping it covered!! I know in the military it's common to be told to close one eye at night when a light source appears in order to keep your night vision.:arrgh!:
;)

[Seminole]

As far as the map changing, it is to simulate "rigging for red" at dusk and going back to normal lighting at dawn. It serves the purposes of (1) keeping night vision so if you have to go outside or look out without warning you won't be blind (can take 30 minutes or so to adjust vison to dark), and (2) keep some reference for crew as to night/day.


:lol: ...Only problem with that theory is that the dawn,day, dusk,night lighting changes occur according to time shifts relative to your home base.

It does very little good to "rig for red" when it is broad daylight up on deck and it remains hours to nightfall at your current location. ;) :yep: :lol:

Couple of things here, My map only turns 'red ish' when it is dusk till dawn locally. In fact I use it as a rough indicator of when the sun is setting so we can come up for fresh air.

"Rigged for red" was only used when the ship was preparing to surface after dark. It was done to allow the sailors pupils open and have better night vision. Under 'normal' conditions surfaced, submerged, day / night normal 'white' lighting was used. No they did not spend all night under red lighting. Some guys may have turned the lights down / off while sleeping.

I remember reading somewhere that modern subs alter lighting levels to simulate day / night cycle for moral purposes. See as how the boys literally havent seen the sun for months.


:lol: :lol: :lol: ..well we must have diffent games then 'cause mine changes to red while it is still broad daylight up on deck...guess that could be termed a rough indicator if by that you mean it is 3 hours to nightfall...:shifty: ...and as I said already ..it makes very little sense to rig for red while it is still daylight...irregardless of what the "book"calls for.

[Seminole]

were simply there to simulate creases in your map chart.

Are you certain the charts were paper? ..folded paper?

I have an actual one in my collection ...and it is printed on silk, rolled up silk at that..not folded. I assume silk was used to resist rot and mildew better than paper in warm ,humid, tropical conditions..like one would find in a submarine operating in the PTO.

I'll say it again...these dark...and light areas are not static.They change. Look at the screenies I posted. There must be a reason for the change.

My suspicion now is that they correlate to weather conditions. More investigation is required.My opinion is subject to change depending on developments.