The S.S. Palin just took another direct hit.

[Flamingboat]

Ouch. Using your position to mess with your sisters ex-husband and his higher-ups. Bad enough her sister was married to a cop. Well, enjoy it now. She is going back to the trailer park next month. I love rednecks!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html

[SUBMAN1]

Hardly the whole story I'd think. But it's CNN so we expect that.

-S

[Flamingboat]

Hardly the whole story I'd think. But it's CNN so we expect that.

-S

Ok, here is the same story from the AP wire since you are one of those people who think CNN is another "tool of the devil".

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93O09M00

[SUBMAN1]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S

[Flamingboat]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S

I've held your hand enough, you know how to search for things on the internet.

[SUBMAN1]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S
I've held your hand enough, you know how to search for things on the internet.You prove my point - you have no other 'proof'.

-S

[Schöneboom]

Hi Subman1,

If the fortunes of the GOP mean so much to you, you oughta be glad to see McCain & Palin lose! Let the Titanic go down with a dashing young Democrat at the helm! Ho-ho-ho! Good luck with that, Capt. Obama!

Frankly, I have no hope, and I don't need it. Hope is for those who have no reason for optimism.

Y'all take care.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hmmmmm....abuse of power. That is a new one for Washington. :rotfl: Next.

[Flamingboat]

@AVG, tell me, honestly, would you have had that same reply if the case was about Obama ? :D

Of course not, if the shoe was on the liberal foot it would be "just another example" of why a black ma... errrr, a democrat should NOT be president. :arrgh!:

[Morts]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S
I've held your hand enough, you know how to search for things on the internet.You prove my point - you have no other 'proof'.

-S
Subman1 you also tell people to "go search yourself"....so bad example:rotfl:

[stabiz]

Lets hope she hits a reef aswell.

[Biggles]

I remember people here calling it a "stroke of genious" from McCain to choose her...:hmm: :rotfl:

[McBeck]

I remember people here calling it a "stroke of genious" from McCain to choose her...:hmm: :rotfl:I seem to remember that one too :hmm:

[Digital_Trucker]

Not to get off of the subject, but this hardly sinks her. Look at the drunken, womanizing murderer Ted Kennedy who gets re-elected over and over by the wonderfully intelligent liberal voters in Massachusetts for proof of that. There's an icon for ya:up: Proof positive that people forget what they want to forget at election time.

[Hylander_1314]

Not to get off of the subject, but this hardly sinks her. Look at the drunken, womanizing murderer Ted Kennedy who gets re-elected over and over by the wonderfully intelligent liberal voters in Massachusetts for proof of that. There's an icon for ya:up: Proof positive that people forget what they want to forget at election time.

Yep, 100 proof

[CCIP]

I don't think this sinks her at all, myself, but she is at this point not adding any buoyancy to the larger ship called McCain, and that's already a serious problem since he needs that boost.

[Rockin Robbins]

The deal was that the slimeball officer tasered a very young child who happened to be related to Palin. In the lower 48 tasering a young child for abusive purposes is considered a violation of rights and the officer would lose his job. In this case her public safety commissioner (who serves at her pleasure) refused to fire the slimeball and she rightly took both of them out.

In the lower 48, if done by a Democratic governor she's a hero. Up there, where she is full of enemies in her own party for her willingness to turn in people misusing their government positions and paycheck to play party politics on company time, they do this for payback. It's all a sham. She caught her party chairman for legitimate graft. They zing her for doing the right thing under the same law. That's justice I guess.

I guess Sean Hannity is right. In 2008 the news media died. Thought he was crazy but this is black and white corruption in the Republican party (with help) in Alaska. There's good stories in there that we will never hear because the truth doesn't fit the template that all news must fit in order to be reported. If it makes Republicans or conservatives look good, it isn't a story. If it makes them look bad, it is a story, no matter how untrue. If necessary, as in this case, they purposely report half the story that has carefully selected facts to make the Republican look bad. The Soviets never had it so good. They had to force people to do that.

McCain takes Lieberman to Iraq in a historic show of reaching across the aisle. It isn't a story. Obama takes a long overdue trip to grandstand, but not to learn anything, and the news anchors of all major TV news teams follow him around like he was Elvis. Katie Couric interviews Obama. It's not an interview, it's a nomination for sainthood. She interviews Palin. It isn't an interview, it's a college final exam or a police interrogation. Neither yields any useful information. But news isn't about information any more, its a tool to "change the world." Heat, not light, is the order of the day. They wonder why they have no influence or respect.:rotfl:

[Hylander_1314]

Doesn't matter really which side of this two sided coin you look at. Both are just as dirty.

[Kapt Z]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S

Fox News:rotfl:

It's the 'Yang' to the rest of the world's 'Ying'. Balance, my friend.

[Digital_Trucker]

Tasering the child (because the child wanted him to) wasn't the only issue. The officer in question was also consuming alcoholic beverages while on duty and in his police vehicle and made murder threats to her family (which evidently isn't illegal unless you make the threat in the face of the one you are threatening). The officer in question got a whopping 10 day suspension (reduced to 5 days by the union). I believe any sane person would have wanted the officer removed from duty permanently and, when the person responsible for removing him wouldn't do it, would have sacked his ass.

You can say that any action taken by Gov Palin (or her family) was using her position to exert undue influence, but in this case I think she (or her family) did the right thing.

[Konovalov]

Where is the rest of the story? You still haven't answered that.

-S
I've held your hand enough, you know how to search for things on the internet.You prove my point - you have no other 'proof'.

-S
Read the report (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20081010_TROOPER.pdf)Subman.

Page 8, Section II Findings, Finding Number One to be precise.

And for an explanation of the reports findings head to page 48.

[Zachstar]

It took a direct hit and sprung major leaks that will not be fixed in time.

Yet the sinking will be slow. Pundits are already trying to downplay it and other news items are taking its place already.

What is getting more news is the amount of hate growing in McCain's base. Rage at rallies and other events has even scared McCain into saying nice things and debunking the "Obama is an Arab and not a Citizen" thing.

This is not going to be the thing that sinks the ticket (Going negative did) but it will sink her of her gov of Alaska position if this is perused further.

[Frame57]

No, what will sink the campaign is one thing; the economy. McCains numbers were up prior to these revelations. The democrats have equated Bush with McCain and the people are buying it.

[Konovalov]

The democrats have equated Bush with McCain and the people are buying it.
That ain't hard since he is from the same party and has voted in support of the President 9 times out of ten in the Senate.

[Tchocky]

The McCain/Palin ticket is the now the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.

[Neptunus Rex]

The easiest hit to take is the one you know is coming. No surprise in the reports' out come.

[Zachstar]

The easiest hit to take is the one you know is coming. No surprise in the reports' out come.

Just before the report the campaign released one saying she was innocent. So the surprise is the likely lies from the campaign.

[SUBMAN1]

Now that you guys have had all had your fun poking, now it is time to make you all do a double take. This is why I said there is no proof.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/11/2008-10-11_sarah_palin_troopergate_probe_findings_s.html

Of particular note:

...Chief Investigator Stephen Branchflower, a former Anchorage (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Anchorage) prosecutor, found Palin's bad blood with Wooten may have contributed to her decision to fire Monegan in July, but that it was within her scope of her power as governor to do it....
-S

PS. I forgot to mention that its always fun to have the last laugh.

[Rockin Robbins]

Doesn't matter really which side of this two sided coin you look at. Both are just as dirty.
And that is the trap you fall into. To insist on the firing of a police officer that abused his position by tasering a 10 or 12 year-old is now just as dirty as using time paid for by your employer, telephones paid for by your employer and equipment paid for by your employer to do not just personal business but party business specifically declared illegal by Alaska law. At that point you render yourself entirely unreliable in detecting right from wrong.

Let me see, if it's a family member being tasered you can't morally do anything about it? That sounds wrong. If it's a family member or former family member doing the tasering it isn't wrong and you can't take action? That sounds not quite right either. How about if both of them are family members or former family members. Then SURELY you are guilty of ethics violation for insisting on justice. Naw! That isn't right either.

She did the right thing. I would do the same and gladly accept any negative consequences. Let's put it this way. If she were a doctor and knew of such abuse and did not report it she would be a felon. But then, what's a little abuse between family members? Surely she should have just let that slide.:shifty:

[Zachstar]

Now that you guys have had all had your fun poking, now it is time to make you all do a double take. This is why I said there is no proof.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/11/2008-10-11_sarah_palin_troopergate_probe_findings_s.html

Of particular note:

...Chief Investigator Stephen Branchflower, a former Anchorage (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Anchorage) prosecutor, found Palin's bad blood with Wooten may have contributed to her decision to fire Monegan in July, but that it was within her scope of her power as governor to do it....
-S

PS. I forgot to mention that its always fun to have the last laugh.

Sarah says she is not guilty.. The campaign says she is not guilty so she is not guilty eh?

The probe found she abused her powers. But as usual the moment any bad news comes out yall are trying to spin it. Resulting in its rather lacking of attention getting ALOT more attention.

Thanks! :up:

[Hylander_1314]

Doesn't matter really which side of this two sided coin you look at. Both are just as dirty.
And that is the trap you fall into. To insist on the firing of a police officer that abused his position by tasering a 10 or 12 year-old is now just as dirty as using time paid for by your employer, telephones paid for by your employer and equipment paid for by your employer to do not just personal business but party business specifically declared illegal by Alaska law. At that point you render yourself entirely unreliable in detecting right from wrong.

Let me see, if it's a family member being tasered you can't morally do anything about it? That sounds wrong. If it's a family member or former family member doing the tasering it isn't wrong and you can't take action? That sounds not quite right either. How about if both of them are family members or former family members. Then SURELY you are guilty of ethics violation for insisting on justice. Naw! That isn't right either.

She did the right thing. I would do the same and gladly accept any negative consequences. Let's put it this way. If she were a doctor and knew of such abuse and did not report it she would be a felon. But then, what's a little abuse between family members? Surely she should have just let that slide.:shifty:

I don't disagree. It's just boggling to see both sides every 4 years tryin' to make each other out to be worst people on the stage, and they forget the old saying, of pointing a finger at someone and you have three pointing back at you.

I think what she did was upstanding, and decent. I have a lot of admiration for people who are willing to do what's right reguardless of the consequences. That's how I raised my kids to be. Don't follow like lemmings, stand out and speak your mind even if it means walkin' on thin ice. Finding anyone in public office with the morals and fortitude to do the right thing these days is refreshing.

It's just that none of them are that squeeky clean, and yet that is what they try to represent themselves as.

[Von Tonner]

I remember people here calling it a "stroke of genious" from McCain to choose her...:hmm: :rotfl:I seem to remember that one too :hmm:
So do I. In fact when the news first hit the wires on his choice of running mate and I remarked in a thread that IMO it was not a wise choice I was told off in no uncertain terms that as a South African I knew nothing of US politics. Having lived in America for a number of years, having Americans as business partners, visits back and forth, degrees in politics with one at masters level (Federalism) amongst others, I now have to smile somewhat:)

Now she gets booed - not so much the 'hockey mom' now is she.


"Flyers fans, show Philadelphia's class and welcome America's #1 hockey mom, Sarah Palin," the massive electronic message board pleaded, to little effect. Booing quickly erupted when the smiling candidate emerged from a tunnel leading onto the ice, muffling the applause of any Palin supporters in the crowd.
Some in the audience simply gave her a thumbs down gesture. Others called her names.
Palin spent about a minute and a half on center ice, posing for pictures with Flyers captain Mike Richards and New York Rangers assistant captain Scotty Gomez, an Alaska native. The crowd commotion was sustained for her entire time in the rink.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/palin-booed-at-nhl-game-in-philadelphia/?eref=politicalflipper

[Stealth Hunter]

Hardly the whole story I'd think. But it's CNN so we expect that.

-S

Just like a FOX fanboy to cry "BIASED REPORTING!".

[Stealth Hunter]

Here's something that's funny. Shows FOX News' biased reporting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gh6r5ALVMo

[SUBMAN1]

Hardly the whole story I'd think. But it's CNN so we expect that.

-S
Just like a FOX fanboy to cry "BIASED REPORTING!".I don't read Fox.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Hardly the whole story I'd think. But it's CNN so we expect that.

-S
Just like a FOX fanboy to cry "BIASED REPORTING!".I don't read Fox.

-S

Well, I'll admit that you do normally stick to other sources, but the manner in which you talk about this subject is... startlingly similar to FOX newscasters... like the "Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program" thread. I mean... it's almost exactly like what they'd do.

You must read their site and watch their news. You would be happy.

[SUBMAN1]

Well, I'll admit that you do normally stick to other sources, but the manner in which you talk about this subject is... startlingly similar to FOX newscasters... like the "Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program" thread. I mean... it's almost exactly like what they'd do.

You must read their site and watch their news. You would be happy.

Unlike most people, i make my own opinions man. I read it all, take in all of it, and post the garbage and the good together.

And please do not label me.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Then I (reprising this) should have said your opinions generally follow the opinions of FOX News, and you would feel quite welcome and at home if you were to begin keeping up and along with them more.

I imply, I don't label here and now.

[SUBMAN1]

Then I (reprising this) should have said your opinions generally follow the opinions of FOX News, and you would feel quite welcome and at home if you were to begin keeping up and along with them more.

I imply, I don't label here and now.I don't like someone making opinions for me. Anyone can do that, so i would not feel at home reading Fox on a daily, or even weekly basis. Too much BS thrown in the middle to stick with one news cast. I however don't care much for CNN since it is influenced by Hillary's holdings in the parent company, and I have no idea what bug crawled up the NYT's you know what - they have the easiest articles to pick apart on the planet. Outside of that, I like to read most anything, and then I like to pick it apart based on reality. That's the fun part.

If you read most stories, they are lacking key details. Case in point is this thread - it was stated that Palin never overstepped her authority by the chief investigator (A key detail lacking from CNN's report) - though I held off on that detail waiting for everyone to put their foot in their mouths! :D :p They all fell into the trap. Too easy.

But all that is besides the point. The real meat is, if you had an Ex brother in law that you didn't like, that might be good enough to get rid of him simply for being an Ex brother in law. You are hampering the jobs of both positions due to the awkward situation to start with, not to mention one party has authority over the other - any large company in this situation, particularly the lower ranked Ex brother in law would be expected to step down or transfer from the position. Not a healthy work environment if you don't already get along, and even if you do, it still might be unethical. Same mentality goes for superiors directly responsible for their lovers - its a bad work ethic. No larger company would tolerate it - ever.

This is what happened here.

Now you might get where I am coming from.

-S