XM-25 due in Iraq in 2009

[SUBMAN1]

How long has this thing been on the drawing board? Crud! Its about time!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/xm_25_judge_dredd_smartgun/

-S

PS This statement cracked me up!

...For instance your enemy is hiding unsportingly in a trench or behind a wall....


http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/09/30/xm25_smartgun.jpg

[Flamingboat]

Yay, I get to see more of our tax dollars go down the drain on a new toy for the pentagon. In America we have buckets under roofs in our schools, a lot of kids don't even get textbooks, we have bridges falling into the river during rush hour and many are losing their house.

Thank god all our money gets spent on some new toy for those aholes. This makes me so mad.

[SUBMAN1]

You describe state responsibilities, though i assume you are too young to understand who is responsible for what due to your reliance on your mom and your wife that probably has $10 in the bank from her welfare check. But that's besides the point.

This will save lives. You liberals complain about body bags, and you complain about the equipment that will protect our soldiers from body bags.

And you wonder why we make fun of you?

-S

[Flamingboat]

This will save lives. You liberals complain about body bags, and you complain about the equipment that will protect our soldiers from body bags.

And you wonder why we make fun of you?

-S

I am so stunned you said that. Save lives huh? It doesn't look bullet or bomb proof to me. Now as you may or may not know I was in the infantry. Since you are stroking yourself over a big gun I am going to venture to guess you are a chickenhawk who has never seen the first day of basic training. It's ok if you haven't, I would gladly give you all my military days if I could. You all are just usually the ones who get excited over weapons.

My point is equipment is not the problem in Vietraq. As we hear ad infinitum, we have the best army in the world, blah blah. Yet we lost in Vietnam and we lost in Iraq. I don't care if they invent a bomb proof, fireproof tank. The problem in Vietraq is there is NO plan. It's just a giant cluster****. American blew the hell out of the place and has been shocked ever since the Iraqi's didn't come out of hiding to put flowers around the troops necks.

If the military isn't having a mad minute every 3 minutes and killing everything that moves, Blackwater USSR is gunning down another group of civilians. Anyway, I could write a book on the Vietraq disaster.

In closing, this shiny new weapons won't be "winning the wild west" anytime soon.

[SUBMAN1]

There ya have it folks! The hypocrite in all his glory!

And by the way, you are wrong once again.

And if you actually knew what the military was like (outside of scrubbing dishes or mopping floors in America that is), you would know that the ability to hit something that is around a corner is almost a magic bullet in war. No cover = no place to hide for the enemy.

-S

[Frame57]

Personally I would have stuck with the neutron bombs. Effective weapon IMO:up:

[SUBMAN1]

Personally I would have stuck with the neutron bombs. Effective weapon IMO:up: :rotfl: And it leaves behind all the structures!

-S

[Frame57]

Personally I would have stuck with the neutron bombs. Effective weapon IMO:up: :rotfl: And it leaves behind all the structures!

-SYes! We could live in all of those Palaces...:D

[Flamingboat]

There ya have it folks! The hypocrite in all his glory!

And by the way, you are wrong once again.

And if you actually knew what the military was like (outside of scrubbing dishes or mopping floors in America that is), you would know that the ability to hit something that is around a corner is almost a magic bullet in war. No cover = no place to hide for the enemy.

-S

Shooting around corners. Do you have any idea how situational that is going to be? Think about it hard, you could send a guy to three tours back to back and I would be shocked if he came close to needing to shoot around a corner once. Be realistic.

Plus, this is a guerilla war and just like in Vietnam America is gearing and fighting like it's a convention war. Yes, this technology would have been great in world war two or in the trenches.

The insurgents are getting good at their job, just getting to shoot at one is major.

[SUBMAN1]

Shooting around corners. Do you have any idea how situational that is going to be? Think about it hard, you could send a guy to three tours back to back and I would be shocked if he came close to needing to shoot around a corner once. Be realistic.

Plus, this is a guerilla war and just like in Vietnam America is gearing and fighting like it's a convention war. Yes, this technology would have been great in world war two or in the trenches.

The insurgents are getting good at their job, just getting to shoot at one is major.Well quite frankly, I can see you have a complete lack of experience too. Cover is the biggest problem with return fire. If you truly knew anything, you would know that something that negates cover completely would be immensely valuable. Problem is, you are truly ignorant instead.

-S

PS. I have some friends that are back from Iraq. i want to see how hard they laugh at your comments! This is going to be funny!

[Flamingboat]

Shooting around corners. Do you have any idea how situational that is going to be? Think about it hard, you could send a guy to three tours back to back and I would be shocked if he came close to needing to shoot around a corner once. Be realistic.

Plus, this is a guerilla war and just like in Vietnam America is gearing and fighting like it's a convention war. Yes, this technology would have been great in world war two or in the trenches.

The insurgents are getting good at their job, just getting to shoot at one is major.Well quite frankly, I can see you have a complete lack of experience too. Cover is the biggest problem with return fire. If you truly knew anything, you would know that something that negates cover completely would be immensely valuable. Problem is, you are truly ignorant instead.

-S

PS. I have some friends that are back from Iraq. i want to see how hard they laugh at your comments! This is going to be funny!

I knew it, fanboy. You're never been in the military. If you had been in the military you would know gimicky contractor bull**** when you saw it.

[SandyCaesar]

And occasionally the contractors whip out something that works. In urban-combat situations, I can easily see how a lightweight airburst/grenade launcher is going to be useful.

As for the contractor-bashing, might I draw attention that there have been, in the past, "gimmicks" that have worked well? Predator drones, IED disposal vehicles, MRAPs, Strykers (kinda controversial, I know, but just ask the soldiers), the GBU series...all of which were "contractor gimmicks" at some point or another.

Yes, Flamingboat has a point: just because a new piece of equipment is introduced doesn't mean the war will be automatically won. However, you'll notice that no one made that claim. What the article's writer--and SUBMAN1--asserted was that this piece of equipment looks like it has potential, and that the US Army thought so too. It's too early to discard it as a failure just yet; perhaps it'll break down, perhaps it'll be the M203 replacement. Bashing it this early is not justified. And as long as troops are in Iraq (doesn't matter if you support or oppose the war; they're there, and they'll be there for a while no matter what happens), it makes sense to equip them with weapons that'll give them an advantage.

Now, could all the participants please back down from the flaming row this thread's become, and at least pretend that some shred of decorum is possible?

[Zachstar]

You describe state responsibilities, though i assume you are too young to understand who is responsible for what due to your reliance on your mom and your wife that probably has $10 in the bank from her welfare check. But that's besides the point.

This will save lives. You liberals complain about body bags, and you complain about the equipment that will protect our soldiers from body bags.

And you wonder why we make fun of you?

-S

Can we leave the ageism and crap out of this please?

[CCIP]

I just hope they put it out with a completely reliable fuse mechanism! Imagine if something screwed up and one of those things detonated in the air on leaving the barrel instead of the assigned range... that'd get the troops unexcited about the thing pretty quickly.

I take it there's always a chance of something happening, but it better be darn low.

[Morts]

Shooting around corners. Do you have any idea how situational that is going to be? Think about it hard, you could send a guy to three tours back to back and I would be shocked if he came close to needing to shoot around a corner once. Be realistic.

Plus, this is a guerilla war and just like in Vietnam America is gearing and fighting like it's a convention war. Yes, this technology would have been great in world war two or in the trenches.

The insurgents are getting good at their job, just getting to shoot at one is major.Well quite frankly, I can see you have a complete lack of experience too. Cover is the biggest problem with return fire. If you truly knew anything, you would know that something that negates cover completely would be immensely valuable. Problem is, you are truly ignorant instead.

-S

PS. I have some friends that are back from Iraq. i want to see how hard they laugh at your comments! This is going to be funny!

I knew it, fanboy. You're never been in the military. If you had been in the military you would know gimicky contractor bull**** when you saw it.
dont mind subman1, he's just some guy who bitches about
everything that doesnt fit his mindset exactly

[XabbaRus]

Hmmm, I echo CCCP here. Seems to much gadget for what really needs to be a simple point and shoot.

I can see the pros of the system but I still would like to see it trialed in combat first.

[Quillan]

It's been on the drawing board for a while. If I'm not mistaken, this is the "grenade launcher" portion of the OICW as a stand-alone weapon. I've liked the idea of an airburst explosive weapon since I heard about it, but I'm leery of the reliability factor of that much electronics in an infantry weapon. I know just how much mechanical stuff can go wrong.

[Flamingboat]

Bashing it this early is not justified.


Early? Where have you been? I played with one back in the mid to early 90's at Benning. Didn't shoot it though. It's not new at all.

[Hylander_1314]

Cool, if it's new I want one. Those deer and elk are runnin' through the woods in armoured suits again.