Why would a Muslim.........

[Sea Demon]

Why would a Muslim compare a Christian to the Messiah? Hmmm?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5BnEMxfYE

Very curious.

[SUBMAN1]

Yep - weird. I call staged!

[CCIP]

Why would a Muslim call ANYONE the Messiah? :stare:

[Sea Demon]

Why would a Muslim call ANYONE the Messiah? :stare:
Brings out alot of questions......doesn't it? Just like much of Obama's dealings.

[CCIP]

Yes, but I'll also be quick to point out that this is a classic rhetorical move. You know, about how those damn Jews know something about the damn Communists that we don't. Err, except and by Jews I meant Muslims and by Communists I meant Liberals. You get the point. :roll:

[Sea Demon]

Yes, but I'll also be quick to point out that this is a classic rhetorical move. You know, about how those damn Jews know something about the damn Communists that we don't. Err, except and by Jews I meant Muslims and by Communists I meant Liberals. You get the point. :roll:

Absolutely meaningless CCIP. Seriously, for a big major leader of a Muslim Political group to compare a "Christian"??? to the "Messiah" leaves alot of questions. I know how these people work and this stands out as something to look at with a raised eyebrow. Your example above has absolutely no comparison to this in any way..nor do I believe it is the way anybody makes any true comparisons. Seriously I've never seen what you describe above by anybody with any credibility?

[Flamingboat]

Absolutely meaningless CCIP. Seriously, for a big major leader of a Muslim Political group to compare a "Christian"??? to the "Messiah" leaves alot of questions. I know how these people work and this stands out as something to look at with a raised eyebrow. Your example above has absolutely no comparison to this in any way..nor do I believe it is the way anybody makes any true comparisons. Seriously I've never seen what you describe above by anybody with any credibility?

CCIP is very smart, I listen to what he has to say. As for me well I am agnostic, I get a kick out of watching all you religious people fight over who the invisible man in the sky favors :lol:

[DeepIron]

Brings out a lot of questions......doesn't it? Just like much of Obama's dealings.Questions? Not in the least. Louis Farrakhan is simply a racist jerk who hates Christians and will take every opportunity to preach his hatred... He has always been this way and his rhetoric never changes. Who better to wrap his banner around now on than Obama? It'll just get Farrakhan more media coverage... :shifty:

[Frame57]

If BHO becomes president, I wonder what cabinet positions he will give to Ayers, Wright and Farrakhan? Maybe Ayers will be secretary of defense and nuke us...

[Sea Demon]

If BHO becomes president, I wonder what cabinet positions he will give to Ayers, Wright and Farrakhan? Maybe Ayers will be secretary of defense and nuke us...
No doubt Obama would surround himself with people scornful of the USA. If Farrakhan compares him to the "messiah", and his known associations with very questionable characters, combined with some of his statements.....you know his cabinet would be full of very unsavory people.

[Frame57]

If BHO becomes president, I wonder what cabinet positions he will give to Ayers, Wright and Farrakhan? Maybe Ayers will be secretary of defense and nuke us...
No doubt Obama would surround himself with people scornful of the USA. If Farrakhan compares him to the "messiah", and his known associations with very questionable characters, combined with some of his statements.....you know his cabinet would be full of very unsavory people.Yes, this will be an eventful time for America. The Muslim do have a "Messiah" figure, I think they call him the last prophet or something to that effect. I think it is an adaptation of the book of Revelation though.

[AVGWarhawk]

Whatever the case gents, casting the shadows of doubt concerning BO associations does have an effect on the election. Certainly, the past week has cast doubt in quite a few minds across america. Obama does have some shady characters as friends. Just as he came clean on Rev Wright (Rev Wright was silenced) he should come clean with Ayers. Obama has not been truthful here. No one kicks off a Senate run in anothers livingroom and suggests they just do not really know each other. I suspect more to unfold as the weeks progresses.

[baggygreen]

As i understand it, muslims regard the christian messiah as merely another prophet. and yes, they await the coming of the next great prophet who will be messianic.

I believe it'd be a gross violation of the religion for a muslim to make any reference to the christian messiah as anything more than a prophet. i'm talking HUGE violation.

As for his shady friends... it'll be interesting to see the whole story.

[Frame57]

That is true with regards to the term "Messiah", which has its roots in Judaism. The word comes from the hebrew "Maschiach" and the Aramaic "Meshika".

[Hylander_1314]

Doesn't matter who gets in the oval office. They are put there by the power elite, and if we think change will happen, it is only an illusion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Scroll down the page to the quotes on the Federal Reserve.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson#.22I_am_a_most_unhappy_man.... 22

This was well known about before it was even enacted, and long after it was entrenched.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm happy to take legitimate potshots at The Chosen One, but who cares what Farrakhan has to say. He has nothing to do with Obama or his organization. The closest connection you can make is that Obama went to the Million Man March. Lots of people went to that who did not support Farrakhan, oblivious that they were lending the nutcase credibility in doing so. I choose to credit their attendance as an honest mistake.

There's enough legitimate cause to reject Obama's candidacy without making up stuff: like his argument that the Republican ticket is valueless because of Palin's inexperience, when Obama is much less experienced than she is. But if you're drinking the koolaid, you can easily see that a less qualified vice-presidential candidate is very troubling, while there's no concern at all about a vaccuous Presidental candidate on the other side in a time of peril for our way of life.

Once Obama is president he will have two choices: to become a puppet of more capable people, or be a Jimmy Carter style incompetent. Except that the results this time will make the Iranian hostage taking of 1979 look like an episode of Romper Room. Hope you're up for it, because the ride is going to get a bit bumpy.

As a resident of a conservative, non-iconic region, I will just be a popcorn eating spectator, whatever happens. If it does happen, the east coast from NYC up and California will be the ones that take the hit. Let's start a pool on how many hundreds of thousands of American civilians die, OK? Wouldn't that be fun?

I'll take Washington DC for 800,000. That's a wildcard entry there, as the bad guys missed the target last time they won't want to give up on it.

[Rockin Robbins]

Doesn't matter who gets in the oval office. They are put there by the power elite, and if we think change will happen, it is only an illusion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Scroll down the page to the quotes on the Federal Reserve.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson#.22I_am_a_most_unhappy_man.... 22

This was well known about before it was even enacted, and long after it was entrenched.

Corruption cares not whether it is part of government or private enterprise. I see your quote against the Fed and raise you one with two anti-private banking quotes. Note that they were not against private banks, but against giving those banks the power to issue new currency. That power properly belongs to the government, as subject to abuse as that can be.

- "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson


- "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance."
James Madison

Two to one, government surges into the lead!

Government isn't inherently bad. Private enterprise isn't inherently bad. Evil is bad and it can and does reside anywhere it chooses. But in order to fight it you must first admit that it exists and fight evil, not the outward forms in which it manifests itself.

[Rockin Robbins]

Only a die hard republican can think that voting Obama is opening the US door to terrorists. If you happen to read points of view from the middle east you'll see that Obama is seen as no better news than McCain, possibly worse even, since he picked Biden for VP.
But fearmongering worked well in 2004 so you'd be a fool not to try that card in 2008 as well, that's understandable.

That is why when we retreat, it will be hailed as a great victory for the terrorists. They will sally forth boldly to exploit the weakness displayed. Your point supports me. (Don't have some kind of obligation to work on your own side?:up:) As the 9-11 Commission said, the terrorists were at war with us 10 years before we were at war with them. If Obama is elected (probably) and if he withdraws (probably not) the gesture will be interpreted as great victory and a message from Allah to finish the job. They will again be at war with us when we are not at war with them.

There's no fearmongering to it, any more than Churchill was fearmongering in the middle to late 30's when the British came within a BCH of throwing in with the Nazis. Charles Lindberg did make that charge against Roosevelt, though, and we can clearly see he was wrong today. Study British politics in the time of the Napoleanic wars, and Democratic politics during the American civil war. It was identical to liberal politics today. It was also equally and tragically wrong.

[Flamingboat]

Rockin Robins what's the deal? You say in every post were't going to get nuked if Obama wins, you're not doing the right wing any favors here. You're looking like a fringe nutjob. Relax man, no one is getting nuked.

[Digital_Trucker]

Rockin Robins what's the deal? You say in every post were't going to get nuked if Obama wins, you're not doing the right wing any favors here. You're looking like a fringe nutjob. Relax man, no one is getting nuked.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black there, Mr Conspiracy Theorist:rotfl:

[Hylander_1314]

Doesn't matter who gets in the oval office. They are put there by the power elite, and if we think change will happen, it is only an illusion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Scroll down the page to the quotes on the Federal Reserve.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson#.22I_am_a_most_unhappy_man.... 22

This was well known about before it was even enacted, and long after it was entrenched.

Corruption cares not whether it is part of government or private enterprise. I see your quote against the Fed and raise you one with two anti-private banking quotes. Note that they were not against private banks, but against giving those banks the power to issue new currency. That power properly belongs to the government, as subject to abuse as that can be.

- "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson


- "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance."
James Madison

Two to one, government surges into the lead!

Government isn't inherently bad. Private enterprise isn't inherently bad. Evil is bad and it can and does reside anywhere it chooses. But in order to fight it you must first admit that it exists and fight evil, not the outward forms in which it manifests itself.



Exactly. The founders did everything they could think of to keep what we have from happenning. It wasn't foolproof enough to keep the corrupt and powerful money men and those they corrupt in office from doing the unthinkable. And if you look at how the Federal Reserve Act was passed, it was an abomination of our sytem of law making. They waited until most of the congressmen, and representatives were on holiday break for christmas, if I remember correctly.

And no, private banks should not have the issuing power of money either.

Article I Section VIII of the Constitution states:

The congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:
......................................scroll down to.................................

To "coin" money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

It mentions nothing of private banks or government banks. The Treasury Dept. should be the one who makes the coin, not the privately held Federal Reserve. This is then distibuted from the Treasury, to the private banks as a uniform coin throughout the United States. Or else we run into the same problem before with state treasuries making coin and paper money, but not being recognised at the face value by a different state.

But with having Federal Reserves in something like 5 or 6 states IIRC, the Treasury Department could take these over, and issue real coin, or valued money with proper backing to it so that you are not using a fiat currency where the value is thought up out of thin air, that the congress has to borrow from a private entity, then owes that parasitic entity interest above the fake value and enslaves the people of a nation and rapes it in the process.

It never made sense to me why congress who has the power to coin our money at no interest what-so-ever, would turn around and give it to a few power hungry men world wide, then have to borrow that money from them, and pay interest to them in the process.